China is the loser in trade war

[sealybobo]

Way too many of you suddenly were siding with Russia when Biden was president.

Wrong

Republicans have never been pro russian or against Ukraine

And stop calling the companies globalists when it's convenient. Every company is a globalist

I remember when corporations were demonized by lefties as protectionist for trying to keep foreign competition out of the US market

Removing tariffs and embracing free trade with ravenous mercantilist cheaters like china forces US companies to outsource

And don't forget Republicans won when they convinced us to do NAFTA. Not the other way around.

Yes repubs supported NAFTA

And so did drmocrat president bill clinton

Ross Perot tried to warn us about NAFTA but democrat Al Gore shouted him down during a debate on the Larry King Show

No, Republicans invented NAFTA. 100% of Republicans in the House and Senate voted for it. You DUPED Clinton into signing it.

Honestly, by the time Bill signed it, it was a done deal.

If HB Bush would have one he would have signed it. The only reason he didn't is he lost. By this time, it was a DONE DEAL. And actually today, I love it. You convince us it was good to get cheaper shit from China. The rest will work itself out. We don't need to bring all manufacturing back to America. Some jobs we should have never let go.

Bottom line is Trump is messing things up not fixing what was wrong. And you know it.

So far you are 0 for 3. Everything you have said is wrong. I think you said one more thing.

BOOM!



Al said what I've been saying. NAFTA was a done deal. And he and Bill put worker and environmental protections into NAFTA before they signed it.

Let me go on record. NAFTA, or Free trade, is a good thing. Some things should have never been sent overseas. Auto jobs, defense, medicines, etc. America was stupid for sending those things overseas. Who sent auto jobs? Mostly GW Bush in the 2000's

Here's another MIC DROP

Most U.S. manufacturing jobs left during the early 2000s and particularly between 2001 and 2009. This period saw a significant decline in manufacturing employment, with approximately one-third of jobs vanishing within those eight years. While manufacturing employment had been declining since the late 1970s, the decline accelerated after the turn of the century, especially during the Great Recession.

Most high paying manufacturing jobs left in the 2000's and you provided Bush with cover when you attacked UNIONS. Remember? I do.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Most high paying manufacturing jobs left in the 2000's ....

... because unions insisted on wages way outside the norms of the global marketplace.

 

[sealybobo]

... because unions insisted on wages way outside the norms of the global marketplace.

Why did the company give it?

The Global marketplace? So they have to compete with 3rd world wages? They can't. That's why we sent those jobs overseas remember?

Just remember dummy, back in the 90's is the last time America was great. All those overpaid blue collar workers. And I don't see what the problem was. Before Bush got into office things were fine. But Bush told you things weren't fine. He'd make things better. Remember he said that? Today you may not like him but you loved the shit out of him back then. You were so happy he won remember?

Google Ford Record Profits and Record profit sharing 1999, 98, 97. What was the problem? The company was making record profits and giving record profit sharing. I'll tell you what the problem is. Companies always want more. So they found a way to make more. Send jobs overseas and break unions. The only reason now they want to come home is it'll be cheaper. Not to help you dummy.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The Global marketplace? So they have to compete with 3rd world wages? They can't. That's why we sent those jobs overseas remember?

Right
Because your unions priced their people out of the labor market.
Glad you agree.

 

[Mac-7]

sealybobo

Are you new to USMB? I hear Ukraine is run by NAZI's according to Republicans.

which republicans

Can you name one and supply a quote?

The left is always accusing MAGAs of being Nazis

And yes I have heard ukraine smeared that way slso

But not be me or any republican I’m aware of

 

[M14 Shooter]

Right now, Trump is telling Zelensky that Putin gets to keep all of the land, he's stolen, and all of the children they've stolen, and in return, the Ukraine gets a cessation of hostilities.

Reality > your hopes and dreams

If Putin does not want to give up the land, there's only one way to force him to:
US troops push him out.
Why should we be willing to pay that price?

 

[Mac-7]

So you remember that us lefties were the ones screaming how much better Toyota and Honda were than Ford and GM cars?

I remember inion auto workers in detroit literally bashing a toyoya with sledge gammers to make it stop rinning

 

[Mac-7]

Republicans invented NAFTA.

Thats true

I dont absolve tepub lawmakers for pushing NAFTA

Thats the main reason Ross Perot ran shaint George HW Bush in 1992

But bill clinton pushed it across the finish line

So there is plenty of blame to go around

 

[sealybobo]

Right
Because your unions priced their people out of the labor market.
Glad you agree.

Well it's going to happen again isn't it? If Trump brought back non union jobs, even they had jobs humans would do, and they aren't going to pay well, we don't even have the workers now. So are you going to pay a living wage? Of course not. Not unless you are forced. So we already know those jobs coming home will eventually be robots or union jobs once again eventually. Or illegals will be back.

 

[beagle9]

It's the way cults work.
No criticism, everything Trump says or does is "perfect".
When a member is culled from the herd for criticizing their dear leader.
They also attack them like rabid wolves.

Dam, are you standing in front of Democrat mirror ?

 

[beagle9]

Who ordered an attack on 140 cops?

Who ?

 

[JoeB131]

We were already in a trade war with china before trump took office

And the chicoms were winning

The Chinese were winning because big corporations put products in their stores and fat MAGAts waddled down the aisles of Walmart and Home Depot and bought their stuff.

Blaming the Chinese is like a gambling addict blaming their bookie, or a drug addict blaming their pusher.

 

[beagle9]

The Chinese were winning because big corporations put products in their stores and fat MAGAts waddled down the aisles of Walmart and Home Depot and bought their stuff.

Blaming the Chinese is like a gambling addict blaming their bookie, or a drug addict blaming their pusher.

We are not blaming the Chinese for doing business with our American traitors, otherwise those who were playing the game full throttle for their love of greed and profits galore with China, and yet at the destruction and devastation of our national industrial strength, therefore leaving us vulnerable to forces seen and unseen.

The Chinese are to blame for seeing the entire thing as a way to build up their military into a supposed modern day Goliath in hopes to one day challenge the western domination in many parts of the world instead of just balancing out with them.

The Chinese are to blame for working with shady Americans like Fauci who attempted to roll with the wet market excuse being tossed about during Covid, and him denying his and the NIH connection with G.O.Function etc. What role did the Chinese play in the covering up of the entire scandal we all wonder now ???

I could go on and on.

 

[JoeB131]

We are not blaming the Chinese for doing business with our American traitors, otherwise those who were playing the game full throttle for their love of greed and profits galore with China, and yet at the destruction and devastation of our national industrial strength, therefore leaving us vulnerable to forces seen and unseen.

Um, okay, let's look at that. Most of the really good trade deals with China were signed by Republicans- Nixon, Reagan, Bush.

The problem is, our industrial strength isn't "devastated". We still control 17% of the world's manufacturing output compared to China's 28% (Which is pretty impressive given that we only have a fifth of their population.)

The problem is, we haven't remained competitive against the world, not just against China. Most Manufacturing jobs were not lost to outsourcing, they were lost to automation and process improvement.

The Chinese are to blame for seeing the entire thing as a way to build up their military into a supposed modern day Goliath in hopes to one day challenge the western domination in many parts of the world instead of just balancing out with them.

Except, no, not really. Let's take aircraft carriers. We currently have 11 of them, with a planned replacement of the Nimitz Class by the Ford class. If you count Amphbious Assault Ships, we have 20.

MEANWHILE, China has a whopping two of them. And the two they have is an inferior Russian Design. (One they bought from Ukraine, the other is a copy of that one). The new carriers they are building are still inferior to the ones we have. They might have 3 of those by the end of the 2030s.

And that's just head-to-head. If you throw in Allies, the British have 2. The French have 4. The Aussies have 2. Well, you get the idea.

Now, let's talk about deployment. The US currently has troops deployed in 170 countries. The Chinese only have them in 48.

The Chinese are to blame for working with shady Americans like Fauci who attempted to roll with the wet market excuse being tossed about during Covid, and him denying his and the NIH connection with G.O.Function etc. What role did the Chinese play in the covering up of the entire scandal we all wonder now ???

The only "Scandal" with Covid was Trump's criminal incompetence in responding to it.

I could go on and on.

You could but not after that bit of crazy.

 

[beagle9]

Um, okay, let's look at that. Most of the really good trade deals with China were signed by Republicans- Nixon, Reagan, Bush.

The problem is, our industrial strength isn't "devastated". We still control 17% of the world's manufacturing output compared to China's 28% (Which is pretty impressive given that we only have a fifth of their population.)

The problem is, we haven't remained competitive against the world, not just against China. Most Manufacturing jobs were not lost to outsourcing, they were lost to automation and process improvement.



Except, no, not really. Let's take aircraft carriers. We currently have 11 of them, with a planned replacement of the Nimitz Class by the Ford class. If you count Amphbious Assault Ships, we have 20.

MEANWHILE, China has a whopping two of them. And the two they have is an inferior Russian Design. (One they bought from Ukraine, the other is a copy of that one). The new carriers they are building are still inferior to the ones we have. They might have 3 of those by the end of the 2030s.

And that's just head-to-head. If you throw in Allies, the British have 2. The French have 4. The Aussies have 2. Well, you get the idea.

Now, let's talk about deployment. The US currently has troops deployed in 170 countries. The Chinese only have them in 48.



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The only "Scandal" with Covid was Trump's criminal incompetence in responding to it.


You could but not after that bit of crazy.

None of it crazy, just you trying to defend the Chinese because of your Chinese wife, and because of your love for them while you and her enjoy the freedoms of America.

Can't have it both ways, either you love the Chinese or you love America... Which is it ?

Your cover has been blown by your own admittance that your wife was or still is a Chinese nationalist until you married right ? You really should excuse yourself from the topic because you have to be loyal regardless, otherwise when you go to an American residence or jobsite that has hired and work these people not knowing or realizing who they truly are.

 

[Mac-7]

The Chinese were winning because big corporations put products in their stores and fat MAGAts waddled down the aisles of Walmart and Home Depot and bought their stuff.

Blaming the Chinese is like a gambling addict blaming their bookie, or a drug addict blaming their pusher.

Dont pretend that lib degenerates dont shop at Walnart

Or pick up rapists and murderers at Home Deport to cut their grass

 

[Mac-7]

Well it's going to happen again isn't it? If Trump brought back non union jobs, even they had jobs humans would do, and they aren't going to pay well, we don't even have the workers now. So are you going to pay a living wage? Of course not. Not unless you are forced. So we already know those jobs coming home will eventually be robots or union jobs once again eventually. Or illegals will be back.

I think we need union reform

Without it most new jobs will go to nonunion states

 

[yidnar]

I don't doubt that a bit.

Is Trump any different?
It would be if only Powell were fired or lowered interest rates.

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Here is every country working on trade deals with the US

President Donald Trump's tariff plan has triggered a wave of countries to seek trade negotiations with the U.S.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[yidnar]

Trump's trade war is driving the world to do business with China because the USA is not a reliable or stable trading partner. You elected a convicted criminal, who has a habit of tearing up agreements he negotiated, like the USMCA Trade Agreement, when it turns out he negotiated badly.

Neither Trump nor the USA can be trusted to fulfill their agreements any longer because Trump is not a reliable business partner. You decided to elect a 6 times bankrupt convicted felon as President.

Elections have consequences, and the destruction of the US economy has long been a goal of your idiot President. It's retribution for his failure to make money. The rest of the world has little interest in dealing with you so long as this criminal is in the White House.

Here is every country working on trade deals with the US

President Donald Trump's tariff plan has triggered a wave of countries to seek trade negotiations with the U.S.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Dam, are you standing in front of Democrat mirror ?

Trump orders DoJ to investigate two former officials who ...​

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Apr 9, 2025 — The US president signed memorandums targeting Miles Taylor and Chris Krebs, former homeland security officials who served in the first Trump administration.

Donald Trump’s persecution of critics intensified on Wednesday when he ordered the justice department to investigate a whistleblower and a cybersecurity director who refuted unfounded claims of election fraud.

On Wednesday, Trump, who campaigned with a promise of “retribution”, signed a presidential memorandum accusing Taylor of leaking classified information, stripping him of any active security clearance and ordering the Department of Justice to investigate his activities.

Sitting in the Oval Office, the president said he could barely remember Taylor: “I said, who the hell is Miles Taylor? And he made a living on going on CNN talking about the president. And I think what he did – he wrote a book, Anonymous, said all sorts of lies and bad things. I think it’s like a traitor. It’s like spying.”

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2 days ago — President Trump is unhappy with Fox News Channel again over the conservative outlet's poll finding that he has record-low approval ratings.

“This ‘pollster’ has gotten me, and MAGA, wrong for years,” the president wrote. “Also, and while he’s at it, he should start making changes at the China Loving Wall Street Journal. It sucks!!!”