Classical liberalism

[TakeAStepBack]

Only fools believe in your version of "progress", comrade.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Abraham Lincoln (no commie, bripat) stated that labor precedes wealth.

That truism has existed since man has existed.

Equally true are those men who steal the fruits of other men's labor.

Lincoln was a tyrant, and bares no resemblance to classical liberals at all. And that 'truism' is about as true as you being a conservative.

 

[eflatminor]

I want to be able to work for a living with decent wages.

Then do what it takes to ensure you make more. Study hard, work hard, strive to improve yourself and excel, expand your skill set, etc...just don't expect to have others forced to pay you for what you're not willing to do. You're not OWED anything. You have to earn it.

I want to be able to get sick without going bankrupt.

Then buy insurance with no caps and stop voting for those that impose burdensome regulations on the healthcare and healthcare insurance industries that force prices to increase well above the overall rate of inflation.

I want to be able to smoke what I want.

Couldn't care what you smoke. But if it makes you sick by doing so, don't expect others to supplement your healthcare expenses. If what you smoke makes you a dullard at work, don't expect others to supplement your income.

And by the way, is the current Democrat President and his henchman in the AG's office that has ruthlessly attacked cannabis dispensaries, not the former Republican. Among today's contenders for the next one in office, it's Rand Paul, a Republican that supports decriminalizing consensual activity between adults.

But you keep on voting for the Dems that think they know what's best for everyone else...

I'm no Republican, but I certainly understand that the Dems have been every bit as complicit in the so called war on drugs. The history is clear.

Drink what I want.

It sure as fuck ain't Classical Liberals that would restrict or regulate anything you wish to pour down your gullet. The Dems you vote for? They know better.

Be free of meddlers and spies.

And you vote Democrat. Amazing.

No meddlers, eh? Yet you want government to meddle with wages, healthcare, and investments. Man you are one confused little puppy.

Eat a big ass burger.

Sounds like a something that leftist in NYC city had issue with, yet you denigrate those that stood against him. Your inconsistency is sometimes astounding.

Drive down the road without being pulled over and searched at bullshit fascist checkpoints.

A tact that has skyrocketed under the current Dem administration.

Be sure my investments are at least somewhat safe.

Again, at the expense of others? Pass. Investments are inherently risky. There is no such thing as a 'safe' investment.

Own a gun(s).

Oh...my...God...and you vote D? Fucking insane.

Not submit to arbitrary authority.

Something Dems are famous for... This authority you want to avoid is in DIRECT conflict with the authority you want to impose over business owners as to what they pay in the form of wages. It is in DIRECT conflict with the authority you want to impose on the healthcare industry. It is DIRECT conflict with the authority you want to impose other taxpayers.

You're stated ideals lack consistency.

I want to be free of religion.

There is no law requiring you to participate in any religion. Get over yourself.

I want my vote to count.

And as we know, those Dems are trying really hard to ensure fraud-free elections...

I want to say whatever it is I want to say in a reasonable tone.

You can say it in whatever tone you like. Only the leftist PC police will come down on you for that. Same assholes you support.

I want villains to be jailed even if they are billionaires.

Define villain. That said, Classical Liberals/libertarians have no love for crony capitalists. But just keep in mind, that can be no cronyism without MEDDLING POLITICIANS who exceed their enumerated powers because they think they know what's best. Please, stop supporting the very politicians that cause the problems you claim to abhor!

I want my neighbor to have all these things as well even if he believes different.

The problem comes when your neighbor wants something else...and wants others to pay for it.

What does that make me? Never mind, keep your labels, it makes me an American.

No, it makes you a confused mess of socialist nonsense, a few conservative points of support, and a smattering of libertarian ideals...many of which are in direct conflict with one another. Further, despite your varied points of concern, you consistently support the most leftist, nanny state meddlers. Astounding.

Honestly, I feel that with a little maturity and honest study, you'll probably one day call yourself a real libertarian. At least I can hope. But for now, your ideals are naive, counterproductive and conflicting. For God's sake, please stop thinking the answers to the problems caused by central planning is more central planning!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why would modern liberals be classical liberals?

Classical liberalism is closer to modern conservatism than it is to modern liberalism.

Yep. "Modern liberalism" has evolved into communism. It bares no resemblance to what the Founding Fathers believed.

And the anarchy you embrace does?

 

[kaz]

A liberal is a liberal is a liberal

They look at the challenges of their generation from a liberal perspective

The only thing "classical" is the challenges were 200 years ago

Actually, not. There is nothing "liberal" about advocating ubiquitous government power and removal of individual choice, there is nothing liberal about as a strategy to seize and maintain power pounding divisive politics telling blacks, women, Hispanics and other groups to get theirs through the ballot box because they are hated, there is nothing liberal about scaring grandma that her government checks are going to be taken way, there is nothing liberal about taking people's ability to protect themselves away with only the promise that government will draw a chalk line around them and make a few inquiries, there is nothing liberal about destroying actual charitable efforts for ineffective government efforts, there is nothing liberal about creating a culture of fear in the name of "political correctness," and there is nothing liberal about destroying anyone who disagrees with you on any issue.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Abraham Lincoln (no commie, bripat) stated that labor precedes wealth.

That truism has existed since man has existed.

Equally true are those men who steal the fruits of other men's labor.

Lincoln was a tyrant, and bares no resemblance to classical liberals at all. And that 'truism' is about as true as you being a conservative.

No, he was not a tyrant.

Your word is apropos of nothing of worth,

Labor precedes capital. Always.

 

[JakeStarkey]

There is nothing worthy in continuing to piss of blacks, women, and other minorities.

Kaz, the demography is changing.

Fact: either, as a party, the GOP adapts to it, or we will be destroyed by it and a new party will arise.

 

[rightwinger]

A liberal is a liberal is a liberal

They look at the challenges of their generation from a liberal perspective

The only thing "classical" is the challenges were 200 years ago

Actually, not. There is nothing "liberal" about advocating ubiquitous government power and removal of individual choice, there is nothing liberal about as a strategy to seize and maintain power pounding divisive politics telling blacks, women, Hispanics and other groups to get theirs through the ballot box because they are hated, there is nothing liberal about scaring grandma that her government checks are going to be taken way, there is nothing liberal about taking people's ability to protect themselves away with only the promise that government will draw a chalk line around them and make a few inquiries, there is nothing liberal about destroying actual charitable efforts for ineffective government efforts, there is nothing liberal about creating a culture of fear in the name of "political correctness," and there is nothing liberal about destroying anyone who disagrees with you on any issue.

Good to hear that because liberals do not advocate ubiquitous government power and removal of individual choice

We only hear that from fear mongering Libertarians

 

[NYcarbineer]

A liberal is a liberal is a liberal

They look at the challenges of their generation from a liberal perspective

The only thing "classical" is the challenges were 200 years ago

Actually, not. There is nothing "liberal" about advocating ubiquitous government power and removal of individual choice, there is nothing liberal about as a strategy to seize and maintain power pounding divisive politics telling blacks, women, Hispanics and other groups to get theirs through the ballot box because they are hated, there is nothing liberal about scaring grandma that her government checks are going to be taken way, there is nothing liberal about taking people's ability to protect themselves away with only the promise that government will draw a chalk line around them and make a few inquiries, there is nothing liberal about destroying actual charitable efforts for ineffective government efforts, there is nothing liberal about creating a culture of fear in the name of "political correctness," and there is nothing liberal about destroying anyone who disagrees with you on any issue.

So conservatives now fully support and are willing to fully fund Social Security and Medicare?

lol

 

[bripat9643]

Abraham Lincoln (no commie, bripat) stated that labor precedes wealth.

That truism has existed since man has existed.

Equally true are those men who steal the fruits of other men's labor.

Sorry, but Karl Marx published Das Kapital before Lincoln made that remark. It's very likely that he got the idea from reading the book.

It's not a "truism," and it's only been around since Karl Marx published Das Kapital.

 

[bripat9643]

A liberal is a liberal is a liberal

They look at the challenges of their generation from a liberal perspective

The only thing "classical" is the challenges were 200 years ago

Actually, not. There is nothing "liberal" about advocating ubiquitous government power and removal of individual choice, there is nothing liberal about as a strategy to seize and maintain power pounding divisive politics telling blacks, women, Hispanics and other groups to get theirs through the ballot box because they are hated, there is nothing liberal about scaring grandma that her government checks are going to be taken way, there is nothing liberal about taking people's ability to protect themselves away with only the promise that government will draw a chalk line around them and make a few inquiries, there is nothing liberal about destroying actual charitable efforts for ineffective government efforts, there is nothing liberal about creating a culture of fear in the name of "political correctness," and there is nothing liberal about destroying anyone who disagrees with you on any issue.

Good to hear that because liberals do not advocate ubiquitous government power and removal of individual choice

We only hear that from fear mongering Libertarians

That's exactly what they advocate.

 

[rightwinger]

Actually, not. There is nothing "liberal" about advocating ubiquitous government power and removal of individual choice, there is nothing liberal about as a strategy to seize and maintain power pounding divisive politics telling blacks, women, Hispanics and other groups to get theirs through the ballot box because they are hated, there is nothing liberal about scaring grandma that her government checks are going to be taken way, there is nothing liberal about taking people's ability to protect themselves away with only the promise that government will draw a chalk line around them and make a few inquiries, there is nothing liberal about destroying actual charitable efforts for ineffective government efforts, there is nothing liberal about creating a culture of fear in the name of "political correctness," and there is nothing liberal about destroying anyone who disagrees with you on any issue.

Good to hear that because liberals do not advocate ubiquitous government power and removal of individual choice

We only hear that from fear mongering Libertarians

That's exactly what they advocate.

Spoken like a true anarchist

 

[JakeStarkey]

Abraham Lincoln (no commie, bripat) stated that labor precedes wealth.

That truism has existed since man has existed.

Equally true are those men who steal the fruits of other men's labor.

Sorry, but Karl Marx published Das Kapital before Lincoln made that remark. It's very likely that he got the idea from reading the book.

It's not a "truism," and it's only been around since Karl Marx published Das Kapital.

It is very likely that AL did not get the quote from Marx.

Yes, it is a "truism" the fruit stealer of labor has in effect forever.

 

[kaz]

A liberal is a liberal is a liberal

They look at the challenges of their generation from a liberal perspective

The only thing "classical" is the challenges were 200 years ago

Actually, not. There is nothing "liberal" about advocating ubiquitous government power and removal of individual choice, there is nothing liberal about as a strategy to seize and maintain power pounding divisive politics telling blacks, women, Hispanics and other groups to get theirs through the ballot box because they are hated, there is nothing liberal about scaring grandma that her government checks are going to be taken way, there is nothing liberal about taking people's ability to protect themselves away with only the promise that government will draw a chalk line around them and make a few inquiries, there is nothing liberal about destroying actual charitable efforts for ineffective government efforts, there is nothing liberal about creating a culture of fear in the name of "political correctness," and there is nothing liberal about destroying anyone who disagrees with you on any issue.

So conservatives now fully support and are willing to fully fund Social Security and Medicare?

lol

No, Republicans aren't proposing to cut medicare or social security, that is you believing your own fear mongering. They want to only grow it ever so slightly less fast than you do. However, that is irrelevant to my point which is about your fear mongering. I hope you're hot because the only way you're making a living is on your back.

 

[kaz]

A liberal is a liberal is a liberal

They look at the challenges of their generation from a liberal perspective

The only thing "classical" is the challenges were 200 years ago

Actually, not. There is nothing "liberal" about advocating ubiquitous government power and removal of individual choice, there is nothing liberal about as a strategy to seize and maintain power pounding divisive politics telling blacks, women, Hispanics and other groups to get theirs through the ballot box because they are hated, there is nothing liberal about scaring grandma that her government checks are going to be taken way, there is nothing liberal about taking people's ability to protect themselves away with only the promise that government will draw a chalk line around them and make a few inquiries, there is nothing liberal about destroying actual charitable efforts for ineffective government efforts, there is nothing liberal about creating a culture of fear in the name of "political correctness," and there is nothing liberal about destroying anyone who disagrees with you on any issue.

Good to hear that because liberals do not advocate ubiquitous government power and removal of individual choice

We only hear that from fear mongering Libertarians

Stop reading Democratic marketing materials and look at what they actually do.

 

[rightwinger]

Actually, not. There is nothing "liberal" about advocating ubiquitous government power and removal of individual choice, there is nothing liberal about as a strategy to seize and maintain power pounding divisive politics telling blacks, women, Hispanics and other groups to get theirs through the ballot box because they are hated, there is nothing liberal about scaring grandma that her government checks are going to be taken way, there is nothing liberal about taking people's ability to protect themselves away with only the promise that government will draw a chalk line around them and make a few inquiries, there is nothing liberal about destroying actual charitable efforts for ineffective government efforts, there is nothing liberal about creating a culture of fear in the name of "political correctness," and there is nothing liberal about destroying anyone who disagrees with you on any issue.

Good to hear that because liberals do not advocate ubiquitous government power and removal of individual choice

We only hear that from fear mongering Libertarians

Stop reading Democratic marketing materials and look at what they actually do.

What have liberals actually done?

Founded this country
Abolished slavery
Womens rights
Worker rights and protections
Food and Drug protections
Civil rights
Environmental Protections
Gay rights

Would even make a Libertarian stand up and cheer

 

[TakeAStepBack]

 

[JakeStarkey]

Libertarians want nothing to do with the Founders, for the latter recognized a social compact existed that valued community and individual.

 

[kaz]

Libertarians want nothing to do with the Founders, for the latter recognized a social compact existed that valued community and individual.

The founders were classic liberals. You and RW live in fantasy worlds. That's not the problem, the problem is you don't know the difference.

 

[rightwinger]

Libertarians want nothing to do with the Founders, for the latter recognized a social compact existed that valued community and individual.

The founders were classic liberals. You and RW live in fantasy worlds. That's not the problem, the problem is you don't know the difference.

The founders were 18th century Liberals