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Libertarians want nothing to do with the Founders, for the latter recognized a social compact existed that valued community and individual.
The founders were classic liberals. You and RW live in fantasy worlds. That's not the problem, the problem is you don't know the difference.
The founders were 18th century Liberals
The founders were classic liberals. You and RW live in fantasy worlds. That's not the problem, the problem is you don't know the difference.
The founders were 18th century Liberals
Yes, and you are a leftist. You are an entirely different animal. You're authoritarian, they sought liberty. And their policies were almost identical to libertarians today.
No one demagogue the word "liberal" underneath you, leftists subverted it when you tried to apply the word "liberal" to leftists who seek authoritarian government.
Classical liberalism is a philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets.[1]
Classical liberalism
The Left today is NOT "classically" liberal.
And to authoritarians, the more the better. Which is what you demand every year, that government grow far beyond any economic measure. Inflation, GDP, all of it. "Right" size to you is always "more."The founders were 18th century Liberals
Yes, and you are a leftist. You are an entirely different animal. You're authoritarian, they sought liberty. And their policies were almost identical to libertarians today.
No one demagogue the word "liberal" underneath you, leftists subverted it when you tried to apply the word "liberal" to leftists who seek authoritarian government.
Total nonsense
Todays liberals look for the "right sized" government
Yes, and the formula to get there. 2/3, 2/3 and 3/4. Not by ignoring the Constitution and supporting that with judicial fiat. The only thing you have in common with the founders is you both wore pants. Their ideas were spot on. 238 years ago and today.Our founders were incapable of visualizing what a modern democracy would look like. That is why they left it up to us
Why would modern liberals be classical liberals?
Classical liberalism is closer to modern conservatism than it is to modern liberalism.
Yep. "Modern liberalism" has evolved into communism. It bares no resemblance to what the Founding Fathers believed.
That point would have some merit if you believed that all progress should have ended in 1789.
And to authoritarians, the more the better. Which is what you demand every year, that government grow far beyond any economic measure. Inflation, GDP, all of it. "Right" size to you is always "more."Yes, and you are a leftist. You are an entirely different animal. You're authoritarian, they sought liberty. And their policies were almost identical to libertarians today.
No one demagogue the word "liberal" underneath you, leftists subverted it when you tried to apply the word "liberal" to leftists who seek authoritarian government.
Total nonsense
Todays liberals look for the "right sized" government
Yes, and the formula to get there. 2/3, 2/3 and 3/4. Not by ignoring the Constitution and supporting that with judicial fiat. The only thing you have in common with the founders is you both wore pants. Their ideas were spot on. 238 years ago and today.Our founders were incapable of visualizing what a modern democracy would look like. That is why they left it up to us
And only a liberal would argue that you get credit for what they did while you oppose what they did and those of us who believe in what they did...
Good to hear that because liberals do not advocate ubiquitous government power and removal of individual choice
We only hear that from fear mongering Libertarians
Stop reading Democratic marketing materials and look at what they actually do.
What have liberals actually done?
Founded this country
Abolished slavery
Womens rights
Worker rights and protections
Food and Drug protections
Civil rights
Environmental Protections
Gay rights
Would even make a Libertarian stand up and cheer
Our founders, as the great liberals of their time, were way ahead on current thinking of the rights of man.....but their form of government could not support a modern power like the US
Libertarians want nothing to do with the Founders, for the latter recognized a social compact existed that valued community and individual.
Libertarians want nothing to do with the Founders, for the latter recognized a social compact existed that valued community and individual.
Can you quote any Founder who mentioned the "social compact?"
. . . .
I didn't think so.
Our founders, as the great liberals of their time, were way ahead on current thinking of the rights of man.....but their form of government could not support a modern power like the US
What you build into all your assumptions is the idea that
if ... the central government does not do "it" ... then ... "it" will not get done.
Actually, that is crap. The founders wanted government for everything but those things only a central government can do, such as defense, to be local, which is far more effective because it is accountable to the people. That was true, and that is true. The idea of State powers is beyond your comprehension, only a central government is in play. You might want to Google what the word "Federal" government means. That is what they designed, and that is what was and is most effective.
As for liberalism, that is not only not capable of supporting a modern power like the US, that is destroying a modern power like the US. You are bankrupting us and crippling our international businesses with regulation and taxes. You're destroying jobs and fostering dependency. You criticizing the founders as unrealistic for supporting a power like the US is just laughable.
Our founders, as the great liberals of their time, were way ahead on current thinking of the rights of man.....but their form of government could not support a modern power like the US
What you build into all your assumptions is the idea that
if ... the central government does not do "it" ... then ... "it" will not get done.
Actually, that is crap. The founders wanted government for everything but those things only a central government can do, such as defense, to be local, which is far more effective because it is accountable to the people. That was true, and that is true. The idea of State powers is beyond your comprehension, only a central government is in play. You might want to Google what the word "Federal" government means. That is what they designed, and that is what was and is most effective.
As for liberalism, that is not only not capable of supporting a modern power like the US, that is destroying a modern power like the US. You are bankrupting us and crippling our international businesses with regulation and taxes. You're destroying jobs and fostering dependency. You criticizing the founders as unrealistic for supporting a power like the US is just laughable.
The founders had no concept of what a 21st century government was expected to do
That is why they left it to us
The founders were classic liberals. You and RW live in fantasy worlds. That's not the problem, the problem is you don't know the difference.
The founders were 18th century Liberals
Yes, and you are a leftist. You are an entirely different animal. You're authoritarian, they sought liberty. And their policies were almost identical to libertarians today.
No one demagogue the word "liberal" underneath you, leftists subverted it when you tried to apply the word "liberal" to leftists who seek authoritarian government.
Libertarians want nothing to do with the Founders, for the latter recognized a social compact existed that valued community and individual.
Can you quote any Founder who mentioned the "social compact?"
. . . .
I didn't think so.
What you build into all your assumptions is the idea that
if ... the central government does not do "it" ... then ... "it" will not get done.
Actually, that is crap. The founders wanted government for everything but those things only a central government can do, such as defense, to be local, which is far more effective because it is accountable to the people. That was true, and that is true. The idea of State powers is beyond your comprehension, only a central government is in play. You might want to Google what the word "Federal" government means. That is what they designed, and that is what was and is most effective.
As for liberalism, that is not only not capable of supporting a modern power like the US, that is destroying a modern power like the US. You are bankrupting us and crippling our international businesses with regulation and taxes. You're destroying jobs and fostering dependency. You criticizing the founders as unrealistic for supporting a power like the US is just laughable.
The founders had no concept of what a 21st century government was expected to do
That is why they left it to us
Sure they did. It's written in the constitution that you leftards like to molest, ignore or interpret in ways that make no sense.
Arguing with these types about what government is suppose to do is pointless. To you, they are to provide everything for "free" and there is absolutely no corner of human action that should not be perverted heavily by governance.
Just admit you love authoritarianism and lets call it a day. Clearly you are against individual liberty and the constitution.
