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Our founding fathers had no preference for "limited government"
They built he only sized government they were capable of building. There were no "large governments" in the 18th century and none of the governments gave a shit about the people and their welfare. That is why there were so many revolutions in the 19th century
Our founding fathers had no preference for "limited government"
They built he only sized government they were capable of building. There were no "large governments" in the 18th century and none of the governments gave a shit about the people and their welfare. That is why there were so many revolutions in the 19th century
Most retarded statement of the day goes to.....
Yeah, no large governments at all!!! What a fucking history flunky you are. it's no wonder you get your political philosophy off the back of Rice Crispy cereal.
Our founders, as the great liberals of their time, were way ahead on current thinking of the rights of man.....but their form of government could not support a modern power like the US
What you build into all your assumptions is the idea that
if ... the central government does not do "it" ... then ... "it" will not get done.
Actually, that is crap. The founders wanted government for everything but those things only a central government can do, such as defense, to be local, which is far more effective because it is accountable to the people. That was true, and that is true. The idea of State powers is beyond your comprehension, only a central government is in play. You might want to Google what the word "Federal" government means. That is what they designed, and that is what was and is most effective.
As for liberalism, that is not only not capable of supporting a modern power like the US, that is destroying a modern power like the US. You are bankrupting us and crippling our international businesses with regulation and taxes. You're destroying jobs and fostering dependency. You criticizing the founders as unrealistic for supporting a power like the US is just laughable.
The founders had no concept of what a 21st century government was expected to do
That is why they left it to us
Our founding fathers had no preference for "limited government"
They built he only sized government they were capable of building. There were no "large governments" in the 18th century and none of the governments gave a shit about the people and their welfare. That is why there were so many revolutions in the 19th century
Most retarded statement of the day goes to.....
Yeah, no large governments at all!!! What a fucking history flunky you are. it's no wonder you get your political philosophy off the back of Rice Crispy cereal.
Maybe you can edumacate me and provide me an example of a "large government" in the 18th century
Otherwise, you can shut the fuck up
Libertarians want nothing to do with the Founders, for the latter recognized a social compact existed that valued community and individual.
Can you quote any Founder who mentioned the "social compact?"
. . . .
I didn't think so.
Look at the names that signed the Constitution, the states that ratified it, and the men and states that ratified the Bill of Rights. That, my friend, is a social compact.
Anarchism and libertarianism are mere means on intellectual lazy at best and intellectual dishonesty at best.
Most retarded statement of the day goes to.....
Yeah, no large governments at all!!! What a fucking history flunky you are. it's no wonder you get your political philosophy off the back of Rice Crispy cereal.
Maybe you can edumacate me and provide me an example of a "large government" in the 18th century
Otherwise, you can shut the fuck up
Compared to current examples, even the government of Great Britain was small. However, that is what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they discussed oppressive government.
The founders had no concept of what a 21st century government was expected to do
That is why they left it to us
Sure they did. It's written in the constitution that you leftards like to molest, ignore or interpret in ways that make no sense.
Arguing with these types about what government is suppose to do is pointless. To you, they are to provide everything for "free" and there is absolutely no corner of human action that should not be perverted heavily by governance.
Just admit you love authoritarianism and lets call it a day. Clearly you are against individual liberty and the constitution.
The did not, you doofus. That is why the Constitution is organic and mutable depending on the times and age. The document is not static.
The founders were 18th century Liberals
Yes, and you are a leftist. You are an entirely different animal. You're authoritarian, they sought liberty. And their policies were almost identical to libertarians today.
No one demagogue the word "liberal" underneath you, leftists subverted it when you tried to apply the word "liberal" to leftists who seek authoritarian government.
You are a far right reactionary with a radical anti-American agenda.
Congress told you what it thought about that last October and November.
Classical liberalism is a philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets.[1]
Classical liberalism
The Left today is NOT "classically" liberal.
What you build into all your assumptions is the idea that
if ... the central government does not do "it" ... then ... "it" will not get done.
Actually, that is crap. The founders wanted government for everything but those things only a central government can do, such as defense, to be local, which is far more effective because it is accountable to the people. That was true, and that is true. The idea of State powers is beyond your comprehension, only a central government is in play. You might want to Google what the word "Federal" government means. That is what they designed, and that is what was and is most effective.
As for liberalism, that is not only not capable of supporting a modern power like the US, that is destroying a modern power like the US. You are bankrupting us and crippling our international businesses with regulation and taxes. You're destroying jobs and fostering dependency. You criticizing the founders as unrealistic for supporting a power like the US is just laughable.
The founders had no concept of what a 21st century government was expected to do
That is why they left it to us
Wrong, they had a very good concept of what a 21st century government was supposed to do: very little.
They didn't leave it to you, numb nuts.
The founders had no concept of what a 21st century government was expected to do
That is why they left it to us
Sure they did. It's written in the constitution that you leftards like to molest, ignore or interpret in ways that make no sense.
Arguing with these types about what government is suppose to do is pointless. To you, they are to provide everything for "free" and there is absolutely no corner of human action that should not be perverted heavily by governance.
Just admit you love authoritarianism and lets call it a day. Clearly you are against individual liberty and the constitution.
The did not, you doofus. That is why the Constitution is organic and mutable depending on the times and age. The document is not static.
So apparently you really did flunk history. Not that it's surprising.
How about England?
Was that not big enough for you in the 18th century?
You should go read and stop posting.
The founders had no concept of what a 21st century government was expected to do
That is why they left it to us
Wrong, they had a very good concept of what a 21st century government was supposed to do: very little.
They didn't leave it to you, numb nuts.
Really?
What was their perception of a global economy? What about environmental protections or food and drug safety? What did they think of the role of women and blacks in the 21st century? Did they have a view on fighting the global war on terror? What about post secondary education for the average citizen?
So apparently you really did flunk history. Not that it's surprising.
How about England?
Was that not big enough for you in the 18th century?
You should go read and stop posting.
England was what you called "Big Government"?
Did they have social security? How about universal healthcare? Did they heve environmental protections? Food and drug laws? universal education for all?
What was "Big" about Englands government other than their Navy?
Can you quote any Founder who mentioned the "social compact?"
. . . .
I didn't think so.
Look at the names that signed the Constitution, the states that ratified it, and the men and states that ratified the Bill of Rights. That, my friend, is a social compact.
Anarchism and libertarianism are mere means on intellectual lazy at best and intellectual dishonesty at best.
In other words, you can't name who any Founder who mentioned the "social compact?"
I already said as much.
So apparently you really did flunk history. Not that it's surprising.
How about England?
Was that not big enough for you in the 18th century?
You should go read and stop posting.
England was what you called "Big Government"?
Did they have social security? How about universal healthcare? Did they heve environmental protections? Food and drug laws? universal education for all?
What was "Big" about Englands government other than their Navy?
True, compared to modern governments, the government of England was tiny. Nevertheless, that is the size government that the Founding Fathers wanted to avoid at all cost. The British government was mercantilist, which meant if interfered in every possible business transaction it could.
What does that remind you of?
Wrong, they had a very good concept of what a 21st century government was supposed to do: very little.
They didn't leave it to you, numb nuts.
Really?
What was their perception of a global economy? What about environmental protections or food and drug safety? What did they think of the role of women and blacks in the 21st century? Did they have a view on fighting the global war on terror? What about post secondary education for the average citizen?
What was their perception of a global economy? - that isn't not a job for government, still the correct answer
What about environmental protections or food and drug safety? that it's a job for the States, still the correct answer. Unless it's an issue where one State is polluting another, in which in ... ter ... state commerce applies and the Feds can dictate to a State it must not affect it's neighbor.
What did they think of the role of women and blacks in the 21st century? - The original constitution doesn't actually implement slavery or prevent women from voting, you didn't know that, did you big guy?
Did they have a view on fighting the global war on terror? - that was covered. they can use the military to defend the US, they cannot use it to implement a world order as both parties are using the military for
What about post secondary education for the average citizen? - wtf does this have to do with the constitution?
