Colorado Rigging Next Election

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State,

That.

.

What Agreement do you think they are entering into? Their decision is just for their state, and is not binding on any other state, just as no other state has any binding agreements on them.

It is EVEN called an interstate Compact, it is IN FACT an agreement between the several States to conspire and violate the rule of law and the sanctity of the votes cast by the residents of that and the several States involved in this ILLEGAL agreement.

Call it what you want, each state can independently pass their own law and achieve the same thing. The "compact" is not necessary.

The thing is unConstitutional on multiple levels.

Is the state allowed to determine how their electoral votes are distributed, or not?

Distributed? Yes! Dictated? No.

 

[BULLDOG]

All you have to do now is prove all those fake votes you expect actually happen. You haven't had any luck proving that in the past, but who knows, You might find something this time.

I don't think you're right.
He set up a commission to look into it and "they can't believe what they're finding".
I for one am looking forward to what they're finding.



Trump orders voter fraud commission after lodging charges over the 2016 election that he won

Any day now?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Except the US Federal Government promises to ensure a REPUBLICAN democracy to each State. Changing the peoples vote is NOT Democracy and is not a Republican form of Government.

Your definition of "Republican" government is not the definition in the Constitution. The Constitution states absolutely nothing about how electoral votes should be allocated in regards to the popular vote in each state vs the entire country.

Electors belong to the States and their citizens, not the country. No State can bind the future votes of their citizens, just like no legislature can bind votes of future legislatures.

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OK, so why haven't previous EC laws passed by the states been deemed unconstitutional?

You can't challenge a law till someone tries to use it, till then it's inoperative. You're not very smart, are ya?

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Jesus you're a dumbass.
You can challenge any law. Laws have been deemed unconstitutional before they go into effect.

For the sake of argument, can you name one?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

All you have to do now is prove all those fake votes you expect actually happen. You haven't had any luck proving that in the past, but who knows, You might find something this time.

/—-/ Here ya go libtard— for the hundredth time: The Heritage Foundation

Yep. Go back 37 years, and you can find 1199 total cases of all types of voter fraud. That's about 32.5 cases per year average, and it includes all types of voter fraud. That's just a wee bit short of the millions claimed by crazy right wingers, isn't it? You keep trying though. You'll find something that won't make you look like a whining baby eventually.

Yeah, it's hard to find fraud when no one is making a concerted effort to find it. You commies have blocked every effort to do so.

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The right has been throwing everything they have at trying to find some hint of widespread in person voter fraud. No luck yet. What happened to Trump's investigation into voter fraud? Should we see those results at the same time we see his results from the birth certificate investigation?

What happened to Trump's investigation? The Secretary of States in the blue states refused to hand over voter information. That's called obstructing justice for you libtard out there!

 

[BULLDOG]

All you have to do now is prove all those fake votes you expect actually happen. You haven't had any luck proving that in the past, but who knows, You might find something this time.

/—-/ Here ya go libtard— for the hundredth time: The Heritage Foundation

Yep. Go back 37 years, and you can find 1199 total cases of all types of voter fraud. That's about 32.5 cases per year average, and it includes all types of voter fraud. That's just a wee bit short of the millions claimed by crazy right wingers, isn't it? You keep trying though. You'll find something that won't make you look like a whining baby eventually.

Yeah, it's hard to find fraud when no one is making a concerted effort to find it. You commies have blocked every effort to do so.

.

The right has been throwing everything they have at trying to find some hint of widespread in person voter fraud. No luck yet. What happened to Trump's investigation into voter fraud? Should we see those results at the same time we see his results from the birth certificate investigation?

What happened to Trump's investigation? The Secretary of States in the blue states refused to hand over voter information. That's called obstructing justice for you libtard out there!

They legally couldn't turn all that information over. There was a court case to determine that, don't you remember?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

/—-/ Here ya go libtard— for the hundredth time: The Heritage Foundation

Yep. Go back 37 years, and you can find 1199 total cases of all types of voter fraud. That's about 32.5 cases per year average, and it includes all types of voter fraud. That's just a wee bit short of the millions claimed by crazy right wingers, isn't it? You keep trying though. You'll find something that won't make you look like a whining baby eventually.

Yeah, it's hard to find fraud when no one is making a concerted effort to find it. You commies have blocked every effort to do so.

.

The right has been throwing everything they have at trying to find some hint of widespread in person voter fraud. No luck yet. What happened to Trump's investigation into voter fraud? Should we see those results at the same time we see his results from the birth certificate investigation?

What happened to Trump's investigation? The Secretary of States in the blue states refused to hand over voter information. That's called obstructing justice for you libtard out there!

They legally couldn't turn all that information over. There was a court case to determine that, don't you remember?

Where is your link to the court case?

Oh, that's right! Links to your imagination do not work!

 

[idb]

All you have to do now is prove all those fake votes you expect actually happen. You haven't had any luck proving that in the past, but who knows, You might find something this time.

I don't think you're right.
He set up a commission to look into it and "they can't believe what they're finding".
I for one am looking forward to what they're finding.



Trump orders voter fraud commission after lodging charges over the 2016 election that he won

Any day now?

I can feel it in my bones.

 

[BULLDOG]

Yep. Go back 37 years, and you can find 1199 total cases of all types of voter fraud. That's about 32.5 cases per year average, and it includes all types of voter fraud. That's just a wee bit short of the millions claimed by crazy right wingers, isn't it? You keep trying though. You'll find something that won't make you look like a whining baby eventually.

Yeah, it's hard to find fraud when no one is making a concerted effort to find it. You commies have blocked every effort to do so.

.

The right has been throwing everything they have at trying to find some hint of widespread in person voter fraud. No luck yet. What happened to Trump's investigation into voter fraud? Should we see those results at the same time we see his results from the birth certificate investigation?

What happened to Trump's investigation? The Secretary of States in the blue states refused to hand over voter information. That's called obstructing justice for you libtard out there!

They legally couldn't turn all that information over. There was a court case to determine that, don't you remember?

Where is your link to the court case?

Oh, that's right! Links to your imagination do not work!

Donald Trump’s Voter Fraud Commission Just Suffered a Court Defeat

 

[mudwhistle]

Your definition of "Republican" government is not the definition in the Constitution. The Constitution states absolutely nothing about how electoral votes should be allocated in regards to the popular vote in each state vs the entire country.

Electors belong to the States and their citizens, not the country. No State can bind the future votes of their citizens, just like no legislature can bind votes of future legislatures.

.

OK, so why haven't previous EC laws passed by the states been deemed unconstitutional?

You can't challenge a law till someone tries to use it, till then it's inoperative. You're not very smart, are ya?

.

Jesus you're a dumbass.
You can challenge any law. Laws have been deemed unconstitutional before they go into effect.

For the sake of argument, can you name one?

First one that comes to mind is Proposition 8....the California law that banned same-sex marriage.
Another one that should have been prohibited is the Affordable Care Act as originally written.
Unfortunately Bush made sure it would become constitutional because he nominated Chief Justice Roberts who re-wrote the damned thing so it would be constitutional. Biggest bait and switch in history. Also the biggest tax increase in US history.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yeah, it's hard to find fraud when no one is making a concerted effort to find it. You commies have blocked every effort to do so.

.

The right has been throwing everything they have at trying to find some hint of widespread in person voter fraud. No luck yet. What happened to Trump's investigation into voter fraud? Should we see those results at the same time we see his results from the birth certificate investigation?

What happened to Trump's investigation? The Secretary of States in the blue states refused to hand over voter information. That's called obstructing justice for you libtard out there!

They legally couldn't turn all that information over. There was a court case to determine that, don't you remember?

Where is your link to the court case?

Oh, that's right! Links to your imagination do not work!

Donald Trump’s Voter Fraud Commission Just Suffered a Court Defeat

That was one state, dumbass!

Can't you libtards ever learn to read?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Electors belong to the States and their citizens, not the country. No State can bind the future votes of their citizens, just like no legislature can bind votes of future legislatures.

.

OK, so why haven't previous EC laws passed by the states been deemed unconstitutional?

You can't challenge a law till someone tries to use it, till then it's inoperative. You're not very smart, are ya?

.

Jesus you're a dumbass.
You can challenge any law. Laws have been deemed unconstitutional before they go into effect.

For the sake of argument, can you name one?

First one that comes to mind is Proposition 8....the California law that banned same-sex marriage.
Another one that should have been prohibited is the Affordable Care Act as originally written.
Unfortunately Bush made sure it would become constitutional because he nominated Chief Justice Roberts who re-wrote the damned thing so it would be constitutional. Biggest bait and switch in history. Also the biggest tax increase in US history.

Prop 108 is a state constitutional amendment, not a federal. It also came into effect the day after the election, so there is no way it could have been ruled unconstitutional.Get your shit together!

 

[mudwhistle]

OK, so why haven't previous EC laws passed by the states been deemed unconstitutional?

You can't challenge a law till someone tries to use it, till then it's inoperative. You're not very smart, are ya?

.

Jesus you're a dumbass.
You can challenge any law. Laws have been deemed unconstitutional before they go into effect.

For the sake of argument, can you name one?

First one that comes to mind is Proposition 8....the California law that banned same-sex marriage.
Another one that should have been prohibited is the Affordable Care Act as originally written.
Unfortunately Bush made sure it would become constitutional because he nominated Chief Justice Roberts who re-wrote the damned thing so it would be constitutional. Biggest bait and switch in history. Also the biggest tax increase in US history.

Prop 108 is a state constitutional amendment, not a federal. It also came into effect the day after the election, so there is no way it could have been ruled unconstitutional.Get your shit together!

Did I say 108???

No. I said prop 8

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Democrats are a bunch of criminals.
They fully intend on stealing the next presidential election by passing laws that assure that regardless how their state votes, they will award their electoral votes to which ever candidate wins the popular vote.
This goes directly against the constitution and is an assault on the election process.

All Democrats have to do is generate enough fake votes in Blue States using illegal voters...and then Colorado would award their electoral votes to the fake winner.

Judicial Watch Sues Colorado for Documents on Electoral College Change, Files Suit on Behalf of Reporter Over State’s New National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch announced today that it filed a Colorado Open Records Act lawsuit on behalf of reporter Todd Shepherd against Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold for records of communications related to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which would award Colorado’s presidential electors to the winner of the national popular vote, regardless of whether Colorado’s voters chose that candidate (Todd Shepherd v Jena Griswold in her official capacity as Colorado Secretary of State (No. 2019-cv-032310)).

The suit was filed after Griswold refused to turn over certain documents in response to a February 4, 2019, open records request for records about the Electoral College debate.

On February 21, 2019, the Colorado House passed the National Popular Vote bill and sent it to Governor Jared Polis. Colorado Secretary of State Griswold is a critic of the Electoral College and applauded Gov. Polis’s signing of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.

Currently, most states award all their Electoral College votes to the candidate who wins the popular vote in that state. But, as described here by the National Conference of State Legislatures, when a state, such as Colorado, “passes legislation to join the National Popular Vote Compact, it pledges that all of that state’s electoral votes will be given to whichever presidential candidate wins the popular vote nationwide, rather than the candidate who won the vote in just that state. These bills will take effect only when states with a majority of the electoral votes have passed similar legislation and joined the compact.”

Five times a presidential candidate has won the “popular vote” but lost the election, most recently Hillary Clinton. Many opponents of President Trump have proposed undoing the Electoral College. Supporters of the Electoral College point out that it balances the interests of citizens in both large and small states by requiring candidates to seek votes in less populous states whose interests might otherwise be ignored. In addition, under the reform, a state could award its Electoral College votes to a presidential candidate who lost the state’s popular vote.

Judicial Watch Sues Colorado for Documents on Electoral College Change, Files Suit on Behalf of Reporter Over State’s New National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Judicial Watch​

As I have stated on several other occasions if 2016 were reversed Clinton winning the EC and losing the popular vote most of these same left wing assholes would have no problems with the EC>

The republicans have lost the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections. No wonder you cling to an obviously flawed system.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You can't challenge a law till someone tries to use it, till then it's inoperative. You're not very smart, are ya?

.

Jesus you're a dumbass.
You can challenge any law. Laws have been deemed unconstitutional before they go into effect.

For the sake of argument, can you name one?

First one that comes to mind is Proposition 8....the California law that banned same-sex marriage.
Another one that should have been prohibited is the Affordable Care Act as originally written.
Unfortunately Bush made sure it would become constitutional because he nominated Chief Justice Roberts who re-wrote the damned thing so it would be constitutional. Biggest bait and switch in history. Also the biggest tax increase in US history.

Prop 108 is a state constitutional amendment, not a federal. It also came into effect the day after the election, so there is no way it could have been ruled unconstitutional.Get your shit together!

Did I say 108???

No. I said prop 8

My mistake. I don't know why I typed 108. It was Prop 8 and my statement still stands.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Democrats are a bunch of criminals.
They fully intend on stealing the next presidential election by passing laws that assure that regardless how their state votes, they will award their electoral votes to which ever candidate wins the popular vote.
This goes directly against the constitution and is an assault on the election process.

All Democrats have to do is generate enough fake votes in Blue States using illegal voters...and then Colorado would award their electoral votes to the fake winner.

Judicial Watch Sues Colorado for Documents on Electoral College Change, Files Suit on Behalf of Reporter Over State’s New National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch announced today that it filed a Colorado Open Records Act lawsuit on behalf of reporter Todd Shepherd against Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold for records of communications related to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which would award Colorado’s presidential electors to the winner of the national popular vote, regardless of whether Colorado’s voters chose that candidate (Todd Shepherd v Jena Griswold in her official capacity as Colorado Secretary of State (No. 2019-cv-032310)).

The suit was filed after Griswold refused to turn over certain documents in response to a February 4, 2019, open records request for records about the Electoral College debate.

On February 21, 2019, the Colorado House passed the National Popular Vote bill and sent it to Governor Jared Polis. Colorado Secretary of State Griswold is a critic of the Electoral College and applauded Gov. Polis’s signing of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.

Currently, most states award all their Electoral College votes to the candidate who wins the popular vote in that state. But, as described here by the National Conference of State Legislatures, when a state, such as Colorado, “passes legislation to join the National Popular Vote Compact, it pledges that all of that state’s electoral votes will be given to whichever presidential candidate wins the popular vote nationwide, rather than the candidate who won the vote in just that state. These bills will take effect only when states with a majority of the electoral votes have passed similar legislation and joined the compact.”

Five times a presidential candidate has won the “popular vote” but lost the election, most recently Hillary Clinton. Many opponents of President Trump have proposed undoing the Electoral College. Supporters of the Electoral College point out that it balances the interests of citizens in both large and small states by requiring candidates to seek votes in less populous states whose interests might otherwise be ignored. In addition, under the reform, a state could award its Electoral College votes to a presidential candidate who lost the state’s popular vote.

Judicial Watch Sues Colorado for Documents on Electoral College Change, Files Suit on Behalf of Reporter Over State’s New National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Judicial Watch​

As I have stated on several other occasions if 2016 were reversed Clinton winning the EC and losing the popular vote most of these same left wing assholes would have no problems with the EC>

The republicans have lost the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections. No wonder you cling to an obviously flawed system.

2016 - Trump won - correct
2012 - Obama won - correct
2008 - Obama won - correct
2004 - Bush won - correct
2000 - Bush won - correct
1996 - Clinton won - correct
1992 - Clinton won correct

1988 - GWH Bush won
1984 - Reagan won
1980 - Reagan won
1976 - Carter won
1972 - Nixon won
1968 = Nixon won.

Nice cherry picking!

It would be more accurate to say the Dems lost 2 out of the last 5 presidential elections by NOT winning the electoral college.

Or, you could say the Dems won the 5 out of the last 13 elections.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Democrats are a bunch of criminals.
They fully intend on stealing the next presidential election by passing laws that assure that regardless how their state votes, they will award their electoral votes to which ever candidate wins the popular vote.
This goes directly against the constitution and is an assault on the election process.

All Democrats have to do is generate enough fake votes in Blue States using illegal voters...and then Colorado would award their electoral votes to the fake winner.

Judicial Watch Sues Colorado for Documents on Electoral College Change, Files Suit on Behalf of Reporter Over State’s New National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch announced today that it filed a Colorado Open Records Act lawsuit on behalf of reporter Todd Shepherd against Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold for records of communications related to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which would award Colorado’s presidential electors to the winner of the national popular vote, regardless of whether Colorado’s voters chose that candidate (Todd Shepherd v Jena Griswold in her official capacity as Colorado Secretary of State (No. 2019-cv-032310)).

The suit was filed after Griswold refused to turn over certain documents in response to a February 4, 2019, open records request for records about the Electoral College debate.

On February 21, 2019, the Colorado House passed the National Popular Vote bill and sent it to Governor Jared Polis. Colorado Secretary of State Griswold is a critic of the Electoral College and applauded Gov. Polis’s signing of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.

Currently, most states award all their Electoral College votes to the candidate who wins the popular vote in that state. But, as described here by the National Conference of State Legislatures, when a state, such as Colorado, “passes legislation to join the National Popular Vote Compact, it pledges that all of that state’s electoral votes will be given to whichever presidential candidate wins the popular vote nationwide, rather than the candidate who won the vote in just that state. These bills will take effect only when states with a majority of the electoral votes have passed similar legislation and joined the compact.”

Five times a presidential candidate has won the “popular vote” but lost the election, most recently Hillary Clinton. Many opponents of President Trump have proposed undoing the Electoral College. Supporters of the Electoral College point out that it balances the interests of citizens in both large and small states by requiring candidates to seek votes in less populous states whose interests might otherwise be ignored. In addition, under the reform, a state could award its Electoral College votes to a presidential candidate who lost the state’s popular vote.

Judicial Watch Sues Colorado for Documents on Electoral College Change, Files Suit on Behalf of Reporter Over State’s New National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Judicial Watch​

As I have stated on several other occasions if 2016 were reversed Clinton winning the EC and losing the popular vote most of these same left wing assholes would have no problems with the EC>

The republicans have lost the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections. No wonder you cling to an obviously flawed system.

You want to try that bullshit again? That is either a bald-faced lie or you are a dumbass that cannot read!

Read?
You are unable to recall the last 7 elections from memory?
D- pop vote wins
2 Clinton
1 Bush
2 Obama
1Trump

 

[mudwhistle]

Democrats are a bunch of criminals.
They fully intend on stealing the next presidential election by passing laws that assure that regardless how their state votes, they will award their electoral votes to which ever candidate wins the popular vote.
This goes directly against the constitution and is an assault on the election process.

All Democrats have to do is generate enough fake votes in Blue States using illegal voters...and then Colorado would award their electoral votes to the fake winner.

Judicial Watch Sues Colorado for Documents on Electoral College Change, Files Suit on Behalf of Reporter Over State’s New National Popular Vote Interstate Compact

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch announced today that it filed a Colorado Open Records Act lawsuit on behalf of reporter Todd Shepherd against Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold for records of communications related to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, which would award Colorado’s presidential electors to the winner of the national popular vote, regardless of whether Colorado’s voters chose that candidate (Todd Shepherd v Jena Griswold in her official capacity as Colorado Secretary of State (No. 2019-cv-032310)).

The suit was filed after Griswold refused to turn over certain documents in response to a February 4, 2019, open records request for records about the Electoral College debate.

On February 21, 2019, the Colorado House passed the National Popular Vote bill and sent it to Governor Jared Polis. Colorado Secretary of State Griswold is a critic of the Electoral College and applauded Gov. Polis’s signing of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.

Currently, most states award all their Electoral College votes to the candidate who wins the popular vote in that state. But, as described here by the National Conference of State Legislatures, when a state, such as Colorado, “passes legislation to join the National Popular Vote Compact, it pledges that all of that state’s electoral votes will be given to whichever presidential candidate wins the popular vote nationwide, rather than the candidate who won the vote in just that state. These bills will take effect only when states with a majority of the electoral votes have passed similar legislation and joined the compact.”

Five times a presidential candidate has won the “popular vote” but lost the election, most recently Hillary Clinton. Many opponents of President Trump have proposed undoing the Electoral College. Supporters of the Electoral College point out that it balances the interests of citizens in both large and small states by requiring candidates to seek votes in less populous states whose interests might otherwise be ignored. In addition, under the reform, a state could award its Electoral College votes to a presidential candidate who lost the state’s popular vote.

Judicial Watch Sues Colorado for Documents on Electoral College Change, Files Suit on Behalf of Reporter Over State’s New National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Judicial Watch​

As I have stated on several other occasions if 2016 were reversed Clinton winning the EC and losing the popular vote most of these same left wing assholes would have no problems with the EC>

The republicans have lost the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections. No wonder you cling to an obviously flawed system.

The system is designed to prevent Democrats from stealing elections.
Democrats are just better at cheating than Republicans.......but election laws thwart them sometimes.

 

[mudwhistle]

Jesus you're a dumbass.
You can challenge any law. Laws have been deemed unconstitutional before they go into effect.

For the sake of argument, can you name one?

First one that comes to mind is Proposition 8....the California law that banned same-sex marriage.
Another one that should have been prohibited is the Affordable Care Act as originally written.
Unfortunately Bush made sure it would become constitutional because he nominated Chief Justice Roberts who re-wrote the damned thing so it would be constitutional. Biggest bait and switch in history. Also the biggest tax increase in US history.

Prop 108 is a state constitutional amendment, not a federal. It also came into effect the day after the election, so there is no way it could have been ruled unconstitutional.Get your shit together!

Did I say 108???

No. I said prop 8

My mistake. I don't know why I typed 108. It was Prop 8 and my statement still stands.

If you say so.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

For the sake of argument, can you name one?

First one that comes to mind is Proposition 8....the California law that banned same-sex marriage.
Another one that should have been prohibited is the Affordable Care Act as originally written.
Unfortunately Bush made sure it would become constitutional because he nominated Chief Justice Roberts who re-wrote the damned thing so it would be constitutional. Biggest bait and switch in history. Also the biggest tax increase in US history.

Prop 108 is a state constitutional amendment, not a federal. It also came into effect the day after the election, so there is no way it could have been ruled unconstitutional.Get your shit together!

Did I say 108???

No. I said prop 8

My mistake. I don't know why I typed 108. It was Prop 8 and my statement still stands.

If you say so.

I do. Thank you!

 

[BULLDOG]

The right has been throwing everything they have at trying to find some hint of widespread in person voter fraud. No luck yet. What happened to Trump's investigation into voter fraud? Should we see those results at the same time we see his results from the birth certificate investigation?

What happened to Trump's investigation? The Secretary of States in the blue states refused to hand over voter information. That's called obstructing justice for you libtard out there!

They legally couldn't turn all that information over. There was a court case to determine that, don't you remember?

Where is your link to the court case?

Oh, that's right! Links to your imagination do not work!

Donald Trump’s Voter Fraud Commission Just Suffered a Court Defeat

That was one state, dumbass!

Can't you libtards ever learn to read?

If Trump could have legally gotten the information, he would have dumb ass.