Compared to capitalism, what has socialism and communism ever produced or manufactured?

[Lesh]

And as noted. If it ain't free market. It's socialist.

WE are BOTH

 

[Aponi]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

Poverty and sub par living standards

 

[francoHFW]

Socialism has never led to Communism yet, except with a violent revolution in between. Marx was wrong about everything. People are going to have to evolve for communism to be possible except through violent revolution and total police state. Absolute garbage no one in the United States in their right mind argues for it. Socialism now means fair capitalism and that is all, brainwashed functional moron. And we don't have it here thanks to the scumbag GOP and their brainwashed dupes. We need at least to have healthcare for all.

You have no idea whether Marx was right or wrong, because you have never read Marx. You have no idea whether socialism has led to communism because you don't know what communism is nor do you have any knowledge of history.
Socialism means government control of the means of production. It means taking control from the people and giving it to rulers and lords. You seek to place the yoke of slavery on America so that Elon Musk can have more of what American's earn, so that George Soros can have a few more slaves. You hope for scraps to be thrown to you like a good toady.

So when did socialism lead to Communism without violent revolution, Einstein LOL?

Retard; USSR = Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. There never has been a Communist country. True Communism was tried only once, by Vladimir Lenin in the winter of 1922. Greatest disaster in history , so much so that Lenin brought out the NEP (take a fucking history class) once all the bodies were buried.

what the hell is your definition of communism? And of socialism?. Socialism for a while was Marxist ideology, then became defined by the USSR, when that was found to be a scam, it became fair capitalism with a good safety net and always democratic. Like Francois mitterrand the French socialist. My favorite example of French politics, he died and a whole second family showed up LOL..

 

[francoHFW]

Why did Hitler kill communists and tolerate capitalists?

Hitler was a socialist. Do you even know the name of his party without looking it up? I doubt it. And, OBTW, HE personally named it.

Hitler killed communist apparatchiks and socialist nomenklatura mostly because they were in rival political parties. Not because of their beliefs but because they were a political threat to his party.

You people are just simply stupid.

socialism is when the government owns the means of production. communism is when there is no government.

Do you know what a 'soviet' is? I doubt that one, too.

This is like reading 3rd graders debate Relativity

socialism is when the government owns the means of production. communism is when there is no government.

Who owned the means of production in Nazi Germany?

It wasn't the socialists.

What a fucking retard - and a liar, but a retard to think you can get away this shit.

"Why do I need to own the means of production when I own the owners?" - Benito Mussolini

Mussolini and Hitler both had command economies - SOCIALIST economies.

Fascist economy's. Socialists don't like aristocrats and CEOs like Hitler and Mussolini did. Fake socialism for the workers with a war of conquest needed to pay for it...

I'll be sure to let Armand Hammer know, Comrade.

Socialists hate and murder the middle class, you drooling simp, the bourgeoisie. They always cuddle up to the aristocracy.

As a total GOP Dupe, you are referring to socialists as Communists and now Nazis also which is ridiculous... I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about.... Communists kill aristocrats, Socialists tax them.... Nazis as right-wing fascists love them.

 

[francoHFW]

that is certainly not what socialists think socialism is, super duper, or anywhere else outside your bubble of GOP ignorance. I have a masters in history, you have a masters in garbage. It's where the government owns or controls or regulates or administrates business and the definition was Karl Marx's, and then the ussr's oh, and now it is Scandinavia and the rest of the modern world. Not the Cold War dinosaur GOP fear-mongering definition.

Scandinavia is not nor ever was socialist, you drooling retard. You lust for America to become Venezuela. You're a complete failure in a free nation, you think you'll do better as a slave, where the smart kids aren't allowed to do any better than you.

Brainwashed functional moron right-wing nut jobs in America have no clue what the world thinks a socialist is now. They all think it's fair capitalism with a good safety net, unlike GOP America, chump of the greedy idiot rich. "We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when ObamaCare passed.

You and George make a nice Nazi couple. Love how you of the ignorant and uneducated go right for the debunked urban legends.

Ignorance is bliss eh? Amazing...

 

[francoHFW]

that is certainly not what socialists think socialism is, super duper, or anywhere else outside your bubble of GOP ignorance. I have a masters in history, you have a masters in garbage. It's where the government owns or controls or regulates or administrates business and the definition was Karl Marx's, and then the ussr's oh, and now it is Scandinavia and the rest of the modern world. Not the Cold War dinosaur GOP fear-mongering definition.

Scandinavia is not nor ever was socialist, you drooling retard. You lust for America to become Venezuela. You're a complete failure in a free nation, you think you'll do better as a slave, where the smart kids aren't allowed to do any better than you.

What a crock of shit.

If it's not free market...it's socialist.

WE are a mixed system. Capitalist/Socialist

The question is not whether we want socialism or not but rather how MUCH socialism we REQUIRE to mitigate the excesses of capitalism.

But honesty is not part of any discussion with today's Republicans

Scandinavia is a free market, idiot.

You piles of shit are so desperate to sell your poison you'll tell any absurd lie.

• 
  Denmark (constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary system)
• 
  Norway (constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary system)
• 
  Sweden (constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary system)

The Nordic countries also consist of:

• 
  Finland (parliamentary republic)
• 
  Iceland (parliamentary republic)
• 
  Åland Islands (an autonomous province of Finland since 1920)
• 
  Faroe Islands (an autonomous country within the Danish Realm, self-governed since 1948)
• 
  Greenland (an autonomous country within the Danish Realm, self-governed since 1979)

Capitalist countries one and all.

Scandinavia - Wikipedia

Always Democratic Fair capitalist with a good safety net, to be exact. "We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when ObamaCare passed...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Corporations are not inherently evil. SOme like Enron are. Others are not so much.

But by their very nature...they are AMORAL

Unlike government, which is inherently IMMORAL.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Socialism has never led to Communism yet, except with a violent revolution in between. Marx was wrong about everything. People are going to have to evolve for communism to be possible except through violent revolution and total police state. Absolute garbage no one in the United States in their right mind argues for it. Socialism now means fair capitalism and that is all, brainwashed functional moron. And we don't have it here thanks to the scumbag GOP and their brainwashed dupes. We need at least to have healthcare for all.

You have no idea whether Marx was right or wrong, because you have never read Marx. You have no idea whether socialism has led to communism because you don't know what communism is nor do you have any knowledge of history.
Socialism means government control of the means of production. It means taking control from the people and giving it to rulers and lords. You seek to place the yoke of slavery on America so that Elon Musk can have more of what American's earn, so that George Soros can have a few more slaves. You hope for scraps to be thrown to you like a good toady.

So when did socialism lead to Communism without violent revolution, Einstein LOL?

Retard; USSR = Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. There never has been a Communist country. True Communism was tried only once, by Vladimir Lenin in the winter of 1922. Greatest disaster in history , so much so that Lenin brought out the NEP (take a fucking history class) once all the bodies were buried.

what the hell is your definition of communism? And of socialism?. Socialism for a while was Marxist ideology, then became defined by the USSR, when that was found to be a scam, it became fair capitalism with a good safety net and always democratic. Like Francois mitterrand the French socialist. My favorite example of French politics, he died and a whole second family showed up LOL..

Marx defined Communism.

Too bad you are so ignorant and uneducated.

History was once taught, but I doubt you could have learned even had you been taught...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Hitler was a socialist. Do you even know the name of his party without looking it up? I doubt it. And, OBTW, HE personally named it.

Hitler killed communist apparatchiks and socialist nomenklatura mostly because they were in rival political parties. Not because of their beliefs but because they were a political threat to his party.

You people are just simply stupid.

socialism is when the government owns the means of production. communism is when there is no government.

Do you know what a 'soviet' is? I doubt that one, too.

This is like reading 3rd graders debate Relativity

socialism is when the government owns the means of production. communism is when there is no government.

Who owned the means of production in Nazi Germany?

It wasn't the socialists.

What a fucking retard - and a liar, but a retard to think you can get away this shit.

"Why do I need to own the means of production when I own the owners?" - Benito Mussolini

Mussolini and Hitler both had command economies - SOCIALIST economies.

Fascist economy's. Socialists don't like aristocrats and CEOs like Hitler and Mussolini did. Fake socialism for the workers with a war of conquest needed to pay for it...

I'll be sure to let Armand Hammer know, Comrade.

Socialists hate and murder the middle class, you drooling simp, the bourgeoisie. They always cuddle up to the aristocracy.

As a total GOP Dupe, you are referring to socialists as Communists and now Nazis also which is ridiculous... I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about.... Communists kill aristocrats, Socialists tax them.... Nazis as right-wing fascists love them.

georgephillip is the perfect example of how Nazism and Socialism, particularly the Stalinism you promote, are one and the same. No one can deny that JOOOOOOOO hating George with his Nazi bullshit is a Communist, a Socialist..

 

[Lesh]

again. We are a socialist/capitalist mixed system. And we wouldn't want it any other way

If it's not free market...it's socialism

The only honest discussion is how much socialism we require

 

[francoHFW]

Who owned the means of production in Nazi Germany?

It wasn't the socialists.

What a fucking retard - and a liar, but a retard to think you can get away this shit.

"Why do I need to own the means of production when I own the owners?" - Benito Mussolini

Mussolini and Hitler both had command economies - SOCIALIST economies.

Fascist economy's. Socialists don't like aristocrats and CEOs like Hitler and Mussolini did. Fake socialism for the workers with a war of conquest needed to pay for it...

I'll be sure to let Armand Hammer know, Comrade.

Socialists hate and murder the middle class, you drooling simp, the bourgeoisie. They always cuddle up to the aristocracy.

As a total GOP Dupe, you are referring to socialists as Communists and now Nazis also which is ridiculous... I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about.... Communists kill aristocrats, Socialists tax them.... Nazis as right-wing fascists love them.

georgephillip is the perfect example of how Nazism and Socialism, particularly the Stalinism you promote, are one and the same. No one can deny that JOOOOOOOO hating George with his Nazi bullshit is a Communist, a Socialist..

you're absolutely nuts if you think I am a stalinist I am for socialism like in France. Germany Finland Canada Australia New Zealand. That is the modern definition of socialism you crazy rube brainwashed twit.

 

[francoHFW]

Who owned the means of production in Nazi Germany?

It wasn't the socialists.

What a fucking retard - and a liar, but a retard to think you can get away this shit.

"Why do I need to own the means of production when I own the owners?" - Benito Mussolini

Mussolini and Hitler both had command economies - SOCIALIST economies.

Fascist economy's. Socialists don't like aristocrats and CEOs like Hitler and Mussolini did. Fake socialism for the workers with a war of conquest needed to pay for it...

I'll be sure to let Armand Hammer know, Comrade.

Socialists hate and murder the middle class, you drooling simp, the bourgeoisie. They always cuddle up to the aristocracy.

As a total GOP Dupe, you are referring to socialists as Communists and now Nazis also which is ridiculous... I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about.... Communists kill aristocrats, Socialists tax them.... Nazis as right-wing fascists love them.

georgephillip is the perfect example of how Nazism and Socialism, particularly the Stalinism you promote, are one and the same. No one can deny that JOOOOOOOO hating George with his Nazi bullshit is a Communist, a Socialist..

Are you babbling about George Soros? The Nazi. You are totally out of your mind.

 

[Issa]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

1. Everything is made in China.
2. Our beloved leader loves N.korea and Russua and hates most of America. That voted against him and works against their will.

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism requires social morals for free if God created Order out of Chaos.

 

[bendog]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

Trump seemed to like Vietnam

 

[CowboyTed]

Compared to capitalism, what has socialism and communism ever produced or manufactured?

Lets start by saying the the RW idiots here don't understand what Socialism or Communism is? And as for Captialism they are pretty clueless on that too...

That is not saying all Conservatives are idiots but some on this forum are just clueless... What can you expect, look at there sources of information.

 

[JGalt]

Most every advancement in technology, medicine, agriculture, transportation, communication, construction, energy and power, etc. this world has ever seen was conceived and developed by countries that practiced a capitalist ideology. Yet many Democrats are pushing socialism, the goal of which is communism as Lenin explained.

So what groundbreaking things have socialism/communism ever contributed to this world, aside from what they stole from capitalist countries?

Trump seemed to like Vietnam

Vietnam has made some pretty remarkable political and economic changes over the last ten or twelve years. But it was only until they started working with us and opening themselves to becoming a free-market economy that their GDP started growing. Vietnam began receiving assistance from the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank in the 1990s after it began enacting political reforms. That was followed by significant foreign investment in the mid-2000s and membership to the World Trade Organization in 2007.

Vietnam has also managed to maintain geopolitical flexibility and a good amount of relationship-building. Hanoi enjoys close ties with Washington despite our stark ideological differences and all those years of hostility during the Vietnam War. They have also managed to cultivate ties with many countries, including both Koreas, Russia, Japan and India., as well as reducing their dependence on China.

 

[Lesh]

Wait. Vietnam isn't a socialist country?

 

[Rigby5]

Capitalism never makes any ground breaking discoveries or technological advancements.
That is because pure science usually has no profit capability, at least for a very long time, and it is always socialized government subsidies, like DARPA grants that allow for pure research that gets anything new.
For example, no insurance company would have paid for the early heart transplants.
Google, Yahoo, Amazon, etc., never put a cent into developing the Internet.
It was all DARPA.
Everything from space exploration to velcro was all done initially by socialism.

If you go back in history, and see who invented iron, irrigation, bridges, ships, plumbing, language, alphabets, mathematics, libraries, etc., it is and always has been socialism.

 

[Uncensored2008]

again. We are a socialist/capitalist mixed system. And we wouldn't want it any other way

If it's not free market...it's socialism

The only honest discussion is how much socialism we require

What a fucking idiot.

Laissez Faire.

Look it up retard.