Confederate Monuments

[IM2]

And after slavery, Jim Crow took effect for 100 years.

Jim Crow laws were enacted by Democratic-dominated state legislatures.

All are aware of both parties and who they have evolved into over time, as well as
who "enacted" the laws in the first place.

It is rather pointless to politicize which "party" enacted the Jim Crow laws.

The "seperate but unequal" system in place happened in America. And were enforced in the north as well as the south.

The fact that Jim Crow laws even survived 100 years is a statement about who "America" really was during that era.

It is rather pointless (or ignorant) to blame the Confederacy on something the USA did from their very first existence up until after the Civil War was over. Right?

It's easier for you to deal with this small matter than the total deconstruction of the American lie.

Albert Pike....prominently displayed in Washington, D.C...where are the poverty pimps like the Reverun Jesse uh Jackson and Brotha Al Shawwpton and the Barrypuppet on this???????>

We've gone over that. How about you question why there is a monument much more prominently displayed in DC to a slave owning piece of shit named George Washington.

 

[Scamp]

Jim Crow laws were enacted by Democratic-dominated state legislatures.

All are aware of both parties and who they have evolved into over time, as well as
who "enacted" the laws in the first place.

It is rather pointless to politicize which "party" enacted the Jim Crow laws.

The "seperate but unequal" system in place happened in America. And were enforced in the north as well as the south.

The fact that Jim Crow laws even survived 100 years is a statement about who "America" really was during that era.

It is rather pointless (or ignorant) to blame the Confederacy on something the USA did from their very first existence up until after the Civil War was over. Right?

It's easier for you to deal with this small matter than the total deconstruction of the American lie.

Albert Pike....prominently displayed in Washington, D.C...where are the poverty pimps like the Reverun Jesse uh Jackson and Brotha Al Shawwpton and the Barrypuppet on this???????>

We've gone over that. How about you question why there is a monument much more prominently displayed in DC to a slave owning piece of shit named George Washington.

So IM2, tell us how you feel about Abraham Lincoln...

 

[IM2]

All are aware of both parties and who they have evolved into over time, as well as
who "enacted" the laws in the first place.

It is rather pointless to politicize which "party" enacted the Jim Crow laws.

The "seperate but unequal" system in place happened in America. And were enforced in the north as well as the south.

The fact that Jim Crow laws even survived 100 years is a statement about who "America" really was during that era.

It is rather pointless (or ignorant) to blame the Confederacy on something the USA did from their very first existence up until after the Civil War was over. Right?

It's easier for you to deal with this small matter than the total deconstruction of the American lie.

Albert Pike....prominently displayed in Washington, D.C...where are the poverty pimps like the Reverun Jesse uh Jackson and Brotha Al Shawwpton and the Barrypuppet on this???????>

We've gone over that. How about you question why there is a monument much more prominently displayed in DC to a slave owning piece of shit named George Washington.

So IM2, tell us how you feel about Abraham Lincoln...

Why?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Actually they’re monuments to ignorance, fear, and hate – they were created during the turn of the 20th Century in an effort to intimidate African-Americans seeking their comprehensive civil rights, having little to do with the ‘confederacy.’

 

[katsteve2012]

The USA had slavery for 89 years.

The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.

The USA in it's various forms as a colony and nation had slavery for over 240 years. The confederacy was defeated which is why they only had it for 4.

And you whites here certainly don't want to get into the discussion you want to get into by your comparison.

And after slavery, Jim Crow took effect for 100 years.

Jim Crow laws were enacted by Democratic-dominated state legislatures.

All are aware of both parties and who they have evolved into over time, as well as
who "enacted" the laws in the first place.

It is rather pointless to politicize which "party" enacted the Jim Crow laws.

The "seperate but unequal" system in place happened in America. And were enforced in the north as well as the south.

The fact that Jim Crow laws even survived 100 years is a statement about who "America" really was during that era.

It is rather pointless (or ignorant) to blame the Confederacy on something the USA did from their very first existence up until after the Civil War was over. Right?

The USA had slavery for 89 years.

The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.

The USA in it's various forms as a colony and nation had slavery for over 240 years. The confederacy was defeated which is why they only had it for 4.

And you whites here certainly don't want to get into the discussion you want to get into by your comparison.

And after slavery, Jim Crow took effect for 100 years.

Jim Crow laws were enacted by Democratic-dominated state legislatures.

All are aware of both parties and who they have evolved into over time, as well as
who "enacted" the laws in the first place.

It is rather pointless to politicize which "party" enacted the Jim Crow laws.

The "seperate but unequal" system in place happened in America. And were enforced in the north as well as the south.

The fact that Jim Crow laws even survived 100 years is a statement about who "America" really was during that era.

It is rather pointless (or ignorant) to blame the Confederacy on something the USA did from their very first existence up until after the Civil War was over. Right?

And your what is your point?? Where did I specifically :blame the confederacy"? I stated that Jim Crow was on effect for 100 years AFTER slavery was abolished in the North and South.

 

[BlackSand]

Yeah right. Then lets erect statues to Nat Turner. Let's not pretend he didn't exist.

Tell me when the dedication ceremony is ... I don't have a problem with it ...
There's no need to pretend Nat Turner didn't exist.

.

 

[rightwinger]

Let’s acknowlege the Confederacy without honoring it

Like Germany does with the Nazis

That's the point ... There is no need to pretend the Confederacy didn't exist.
We know it did here ... It's our families, our backyard, our history ... And we aren't asking for your approval.

And Dacha Concentration Camp is still standing to this day.
They didn't tear it down because it was a reminder of their history.

.

I agree......the Civil War happened

But monuments to those who led a rebellion to establish a slave nation do not deserve to be honored

That is why those monuments are coming down

Didn't the USA establish its self as a slave nation? But that's OK right?

To accommodate the future confederate states

 

[rightwinger]

The USA had slavery for 89 years.

The Confederacy had slavery for 4 years.

The USA in it's various forms as a colony and nation had slavery for over 240 years. The confederacy was defeated which is why they only had it for 4.

And you whites here certainly don't want to get into the discussion you want to get into by your comparison.

And after slavery, Jim Crow took effect for 100 years.

Jim Crow laws were enacted by Democratic-dominated state legislatures.

All are aware of both parties and who they have evolved into over time, as well as
who "enacted" the laws in the first place.

It is rather pointless to politicize which "party" enacted the Jim Crow laws.

The "seperate but unequal" system in place happened in America. And were enforced in the north as well as the south.

The fact that Jim Crow laws even survived 100 years is a statement about who "America" really was during that era.

It is rather pointless (or ignorant) to blame the Confederacy on something the USA did from their very first existence up until after the Civil War was over. Right?

Put in as a condition of the southern states joining the union

 

[Scamp]

The USA in it's various forms as a colony and nation had slavery for over 240 years. The confederacy was defeated which is why they only had it for 4.

And you whites here certainly don't want to get into the discussion you want to get into by your comparison.

And after slavery, Jim Crow took effect for 100 years.

Jim Crow laws were enacted by Democratic-dominated state legislatures.

All are aware of both parties and who they have evolved into over time, as well as
who "enacted" the laws in the first place.

It is rather pointless to politicize which "party" enacted the Jim Crow laws.

The "seperate but unequal" system in place happened in America. And were enforced in the north as well as the south.

The fact that Jim Crow laws even survived 100 years is a statement about who "America" really was during that era.

It is rather pointless (or ignorant) to blame the Confederacy on something the USA did from their very first existence up until after the Civil War was over. Right?

Put in as a condition of the southern states joining the union

Does rightwinger even know that there was slavery in the North and Union States?

 

[Yarddog]

Tennessee Civil War Museum. Honoring those who served the Confederacy.

Bogus
The Myth of the Black Confederate Soldier
Lost Cause fanatics—including a handful of African Americans—insist that thousands of blacks fought for the Confederacy. Nothing in the historical record supports that claim.

What few people appear to be aware of is that the black Confederate narrative is a fairly recent phenomenon. The proliferation of these stories and the zeal for the black Confederate soldier expressed by many would be alien to their Confederate ancestors, who lived under a constitution strongly devoted to protecting if not extending slavery. It was not until March 1865—after a contentious debate that took place throughout the Confederacy—that the Confederate Congress passed legislation authorizing the enlistment of slaves who were first freed by their masters. Even those who finally came to support the legislation as the only alternative to defeat would have agreed with Howell Cobb: “If slaves will make good soldiers our whole theory of slavery is wrong.” Other than a small number that briefly trained in Richmond, Virginia, no black men served openly and there is no evidence that the Richmond recruits saw the battlefield in the final weeks of the war.

The Myth of the Black Confederate Soldier

From what I've read there were maybe a couple thousand black soldiers. This doesnt seem so impossible when you realize that today we see things much differently than people living back in that day. Many soldiers loyalty lied with their state or region. people were much more simple and felt that they were simply defending their homes. For whatever reason there were probably a few blacks in the south who felt this way as well, considering there were also a couple thousand blacks who also owned slaves.

 

[Scamp]

Let’s acknowlege the Confederacy without honoring it

Like Germany does with the Nazis

That's the point ... There is no need to pretend the Confederacy didn't exist.
We know it did here ... It's our families, our backyard, our history ... And we aren't asking for your approval.

And Dacha Concentration Camp is still standing to this day.
They didn't tear it down because it was a reminder of their history.

.

Yeah right. Then lets erect statues to Nat Turner. Let's not pretend he didn't exist.

Nat Turner lead a group of renegades who murdered 60 innocent people, including women and children.

 

[tinydancer]

Let’s acknowlege the Confederacy without honoring it

Like Germany does with the Nazis

That's the point ... There is no need to pretend the Confederacy didn't exist.
We know it did here ... It's our families, our backyard, our history ... And we aren't asking for your approval.

And Dacha Concentration Camp is still standing to this day.
They didn't tear it down because it was a reminder of their history.

.

Yeah right. Then lets erect statues to Nat Turner. Let's not pretend he didn't exist.

Nat Turner lead a group of renegades who murdered 60 innocent people, including women and children.

That he did.

 

[IM2]

Let’s acknowlege the Confederacy without honoring it

Like Germany does with the Nazis

That's the point ... There is no need to pretend the Confederacy didn't exist.
We know it did here ... It's our families, our backyard, our history ... And we aren't asking for your approval.

And Dacha Concentration Camp is still standing to this day.
They didn't tear it down because it was a reminder of their history.

.

Yeah right. Then lets erect statues to Nat Turner. Let's not pretend he didn't exist.

Nat Turner lead a group of renegades who murdered 60 innocent people, including women and children.

Nat Turner murdered slave owners, these were not innocent people.

But those confederates in those states murdered millions of innocent people including women and children. So if they get statues so does Turner.

 

[IM2]

Tennessee Civil War Museum. Honoring those who served the Confederacy.

Bogus
The Myth of the Black Confederate Soldier
Lost Cause fanatics—including a handful of African Americans—insist that thousands of blacks fought for the Confederacy. Nothing in the historical record supports that claim.

What few people appear to be aware of is that the black Confederate narrative is a fairly recent phenomenon. The proliferation of these stories and the zeal for the black Confederate soldier expressed by many would be alien to their Confederate ancestors, who lived under a constitution strongly devoted to protecting if not extending slavery. It was not until March 1865—after a contentious debate that took place throughout the Confederacy—that the Confederate Congress passed legislation authorizing the enlistment of slaves who were first freed by their masters. Even those who finally came to support the legislation as the only alternative to defeat would have agreed with Howell Cobb: “If slaves will make good soldiers our whole theory of slavery is wrong.” Other than a small number that briefly trained in Richmond, Virginia, no black men served openly and there is no evidence that the Richmond recruits saw the battlefield in the final weeks of the war.

The Myth of the Black Confederate Soldier

From what I've read there were maybe a couple thousand black soldiers. This doesnt seem so impossible when you realize that today we see things much differently than people living back in that day. Many soldiers loyalty lied with their state or region. people were much more simple and felt that they were simply defending their homes. For whatever reason there were probably a few blacks in the south who felt this way as well, considering there were also a couple thousand blacks who also owned slaves.

But there were not a couple thousand. This is what those such as yourself don't get. The story of the confederacy is now made up to create a situation that never existed and whites are more than happy to believe it since they don't look so bad.

 

[katsteve2012]

Let’s acknowlege the Confederacy without honoring it

Like Germany does with the Nazis

That's the point ... There is no need to pretend the Confederacy didn't exist.
We know it did here ... It's our families, our backyard, our history ... And we aren't asking for your approval.

And Dacha Concentration Camp is still standing to this day.
They didn't tear it down because it was a reminder of their history.

.

Yeah right. Then lets erect statues to Nat Turner. Let's not pretend he didn't exist.

Nat Turner lead a group of renegades who murdered 60 innocent people, including women and children.

Nat Turner murdered slave owners, these were not innocent people.

But those confederates in those states murdered millions of innocent people including women and children. So if they get statues so does Turner.

He murdered at the time, current AND future generations of slave holders. Considering that the humanity of black children was denied as well, he took action and had no boundaries.

 

[Dale Smith]

Jim Crow laws were enacted by Democratic-dominated state legislatures.

All are aware of both parties and who they have evolved into over time, as well as
who "enacted" the laws in the first place.

It is rather pointless to politicize which "party" enacted the Jim Crow laws.

The "seperate but unequal" system in place happened in America. And were enforced in the north as well as the south.

The fact that Jim Crow laws even survived 100 years is a statement about who "America" really was during that era.

It is rather pointless (or ignorant) to blame the Confederacy on something the USA did from their very first existence up until after the Civil War was over. Right?

It's easier for you to deal with this small matter than the total deconstruction of the American lie.

Albert Pike....prominently displayed in Washington, D.C...where are the poverty pimps like the Reverun Jesse uh Jackson and Brotha Al Shawwpton and the Barrypuppet on this???????>

We've gone over that. How about you question why there is a monument much more prominently displayed in DC to a slave owning piece of shit named George Washington.

But yet Albert Pike's statute remains, no?

BTW, did you know that the George Washington monument is actually an obelisk and that the other two city/states have one as well? The City of London and Vatican city also have one. I would be all for taking down the Washington monument....start a movement, my brother, and let's do this!

The fact of the matter is that we are all debt slaves with no allodial rights to property and we are considered human chattel to the banking oligarchs that actually own USA.INC.

 

[BlackSand]

Damn Dale ... You know with as much research as you do in attempts to deconstruct the social yoke ...
If you focused just a quarter of that energy towards investigating the alternatives that actually exist ...
You could probably find a better alternative.

There is an alternative to everything you preach against, and one that is not difficult to achieve, nor does it require mass conversion.
You just have to look for it ... And if you manage to find it ... Keep the details a secret.

All those other fools would just clog the works down.
They would want to change shit ... And we would end up right back where we were ... Like so many times before.

And you are never going to be Saint Dale anyway ...

.

 

[rightwinger]

And after slavery, Jim Crow took effect for 100 years.

Jim Crow laws were enacted by Democratic-dominated state legislatures.

All are aware of both parties and who they have evolved into over time, as well as
who "enacted" the laws in the first place.

It is rather pointless to politicize which "party" enacted the Jim Crow laws.

The "seperate but unequal" system in place happened in America. And were enforced in the north as well as the south.

The fact that Jim Crow laws even survived 100 years is a statement about who "America" really was during that era.

It is rather pointless (or ignorant) to blame the Confederacy on something the USA did from their very first existence up until after the Civil War was over. Right?

Put in as a condition of the southern states joining the union

Does rightwinger even know that there was slavery in the North and Union States?

Minimal in border states

Does not excuse creating a nation to keep 40 percent of its people in slavery

 

[Bezukhov]

Symbols of the confederacy need be take down. Period.

No, they need to be more historically accurate. Next to every statue showing Robert E. Lee astride a horse, looking like the conquering hero, put a monument showing Lee surrendering to Grant.

 

[Scamp]

Symbols of the confederacy need be take down. Period.

No, they need to be more historically accurate. Next to every statue showing Robert E. Lee astride a horse, looking like the conquering hero, put a monument showing Lee surrendering to Grant.

Grant was a slave owner. Bet you didn't know that. Ignorance is bliss.