Corporate welfare in action ....

[OnePercenter]

Apple to build Iowa data center, get $207.8 million in incentives

We've got to get a handle on this shit. Whatever happened to equal protection?

You could always just let the jobs move overseas...

Then we get cheaper products and better relations with our trading partners. Win/win.

Buy a pair of Levi 501's lately?

 

[OnePercenter]

Apple to build Iowa data center, get $207.8 million in incentives

We've got to get a handle on this shit. Whatever happened to equal protection?

In this case, it's the State of Iowa providing the incentives pursuant to competing with other States for the facility in question.

This is a problem for the residents of the Iowan Laboratory of Democracy to deal with and is largely irrelevant to the larger problem of FEDERAL corporate welfare choosing winners and losers and lining the pockets of favored corporate constituencies.

IMHO unless you're a citizen of Iowa you really don't have a stake in this particular case and if you are you can express your opinion at the voting booth.

The Federal Constitution requires states to ensure equal protection of the law. Iowa's state constitution is even more explicit: That means nobody gets special exemptions because of who they are or any quid-pro-quo they may offer.

Iowa doesn't have Enterprise Zones?

 

[OnePercenter]

Welfare is when the government takes money from working people and hands it out to people who dont work. Its that simple. Now you can add all the adjectives you want..."corporate" or whatever. Different animal. But I dont think the confusion liberals try to sow with it work anymore. Since Obama came into office welfare spending (look up welfare at Wikipedia if you still dont know what it is) has risen 25% to over 900,000,000,000. LINK That is a lot of zeros. How to do it? Well for eight years you fund your pet liberals in corporations...then you whine that "corporate welfare" means you cant stop the welfare spending. neat trick!

Doesn't matter if liberal at Apple got some money, or Tunisia, or the National Weather Service. Welfare is breaking us. And there is no connection. If you want to cut welfare there is no tie to cutting off sewer funding to insurance agencies in Omaha. It is a liberal scam. "We cant cut welfare because "fill in the blank" welfare....
Bogus.

But more than that it ensures that Democrats can continue their handouts to corporations. it makes corporations complicit in the general theft. To lose that straw man "corporate welfare" would be catastrophic for corp[orate boards, democrat politicians and welfare vote farms.

Welfare is a necessity for when capitalism fails.

Welfare is a necessity when people fail--not capitalism.

Welfare is necessary when employers don't pay a living wage.

 

[OnePercenter]

There's no such thing as corporate welfare.

Ever hear of the Farm Bill ?

Yep. Another abysmal example of corporatism.

The farm bill started in helping family farms, but thanks to Republicans it's morphed into a huge corporate loophole.

The vast majority of farm bill spending goes to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.

It is today.

 

[dblack]

There's no such thing as corporate welfare.

Ever hear of the Farm Bill ?

Yep. Another abysmal example of corporatism.

The farm bill started in helping family farms, but thanks to Republicans it's morphed into a huge corporate loophole.

It's a common pattern. Democrats propose laws that expand government; and Republicans show us why it was a bad idea.

 

[DOTR]

Welfare is when the government takes money from working people and hands it out to people who dont work. Its that simple. Now you can add all the adjectives you want..."corporate" or whatever. Different animal. But I dont think the confusion liberals try to sow with it work anymore. Since Obama came into office welfare spending (look up welfare at Wikipedia if you still dont know what it is) has risen 25% to over 900,000,000,000. LINK That is a lot of zeros. How to do it? Well for eight years you fund your pet liberals in corporations...then you whine that "corporate welfare" means you cant stop the welfare spending. neat trick!

Doesn't matter if liberal at Apple got some money, or Tunisia, or the National Weather Service. Welfare is breaking us. And there is no connection. If you want to cut welfare there is no tie to cutting off sewer funding to insurance agencies in Omaha. It is a liberal scam. "We cant cut welfare because "fill in the blank" welfare....
Bogus.

But more than that it ensures that Democrats can continue their handouts to corporations. it makes corporations complicit in the general theft. To lose that straw man "corporate welfare" would be catastrophic for corp[orate boards, democrat politicians and welfare vote farms.

Welfare is a necessity for when capitalism fails.

That won't work. 1 trillion dollars per year? That is hardly a safety net or backstop. That's full time careers for inner city slums who vote Democrat.

 

[DOTR]

Welfare is when the government takes money from working people and hands it out to people who dont work. Its that simple. Now you can add all the adjectives you want..."corporate" or whatever. Different animal. But I dont think the confusion liberals try to sow with it work anymore. Since Obama came into office welfare spending (look up welfare at Wikipedia if you still dont know what it is) has risen 25% to over 900,000,000,000. LINK That is a lot of zeros. How to do it? Well for eight years you fund your pet liberals in corporations...then you whine that "corporate welfare" means you cant stop the welfare spending. neat trick!

Doesn't matter if liberal at Apple got some money, or Tunisia, or the National Weather Service. Welfare is breaking us. And there is no connection. If you want to cut welfare there is no tie to cutting off sewer funding to insurance agencies in Omaha. It is a liberal scam. "We cant cut welfare because "fill in the blank" welfare....
Bogus.

But more than that it ensures that Democrats can continue their handouts to corporations. it makes corporations complicit in the general theft. To lose that straw man "corporate welfare" would be catastrophic for corp[orate boards, democrat politicians and welfare vote farms.

Welfare is a necessity for when capitalism fails.

Welfare is a necessity when people fail--not capitalism.

Welfare is necessary when employers don't pay a living wage.

Now we are getting closer to the truth. Government handouts forever OR government control of businesses.
China, n Korea, Cuba and the Democrat Party...last communist holdouts.
Maybe if you import more Mexicans you can get wages down even more.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Welfare is when the government takes money from working people and hands it out to people who dont work. Its that simple. Now you can add all the adjectives you want..."corporate" or whatever. Different animal. But I dont think the confusion liberals try to sow with it work anymore. Since Obama came into office welfare spending (look up welfare at Wikipedia if you still dont know what it is) has risen 25% to over 900,000,000,000. LINK That is a lot of zeros. How to do it? Well for eight years you fund your pet liberals in corporations...then you whine that "corporate welfare" means you cant stop the welfare spending. neat trick!

Doesn't matter if liberal at Apple got some money, or Tunisia, or the National Weather Service. Welfare is breaking us. And there is no connection. If you want to cut welfare there is no tie to cutting off sewer funding to insurance agencies in Omaha. It is a liberal scam. "We cant cut welfare because "fill in the blank" welfare....
Bogus.

But more than that it ensures that Democrats can continue their handouts to corporations. it makes corporations complicit in the general theft. To lose that straw man "corporate welfare" would be catastrophic for corp[orate boards, democrat politicians and welfare vote farms.

Welfare is a necessity for when capitalism fails.

That won't work. 1 trillion dollars per year? That is hardly a safety net or backstop. That's full time careers for inner city slums who vote Democrat.

Thats just your prejudice at work.
When capitalism fails, as it does every few years, there needs to be a safety net for those who are the victims.

If you cant see that then I truly wonder.

Look at it this way. You arent going to sit back and watch your kids starve so society needs to provide or face the consequences.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Welfare is when the government takes money from working people and hands it out to people who dont work. Its that simple. Now you can add all the adjectives you want..."corporate" or whatever. Different animal. But I dont think the confusion liberals try to sow with it work anymore. Since Obama came into office welfare spending (look up welfare at Wikipedia if you still dont know what it is) has risen 25% to over 900,000,000,000. LINK That is a lot of zeros. How to do it? Well for eight years you fund your pet liberals in corporations...then you whine that "corporate welfare" means you cant stop the welfare spending. neat trick!

Doesn't matter if liberal at Apple got some money, or Tunisia, or the National Weather Service. Welfare is breaking us. And there is no connection. If you want to cut welfare there is no tie to cutting off sewer funding to insurance agencies in Omaha. It is a liberal scam. "We cant cut welfare because "fill in the blank" welfare....
Bogus.

But more than that it ensures that Democrats can continue their handouts to corporations. it makes corporations complicit in the general theft. To lose that straw man "corporate welfare" would be catastrophic for corp[orate boards, democrat politicians and welfare vote farms.

Welfare is a necessity for when capitalism fails.

Welfare is a necessity when people fail--not capitalism.

Welfare is necessary when employers don't pay a living wage.

Now we are getting closer to the truth. Government handouts forever OR government control of businesses.
China, n Korea, Cuba and the Democrat Party...last communist holdouts.
Maybe if you import more Mexicans you can get wages down even more.

You are way out of your depth mate. Embarrassing.

 

[bripat9643]

I wonder how much in tax incentives US companies get to move to Mexico?

They get a big incentive of paying Mexican taxes instead of America's oppressive 35% corporate income tax.

Taxes have nothing to do with it. It's the slave-wage labor.

The question was about tax incentives.

 

[bripat9643]

That is correct, I believe I read that the actual tax rate is about 18.5% after all incentives are added in.

Try 12.5% effective or 3% based on revenue for comparative company/workers .

You pay tax on our net income, not your gross revenue. The rate they pay is 35%.

 

[bripat9643]

Welfare is when the government takes money from working people and hands it out to people who dont work. Its that simple. Now you can add all the adjectives you want..."corporate" or whatever. Different animal. But I dont think the confusion liberals try to sow with it work anymore. Since Obama came into office welfare spending (look up welfare at Wikipedia if you still dont know what it is) has risen 25% to over 900,000,000,000. LINK That is a lot of zeros. How to do it? Well for eight years you fund your pet liberals in corporations...then you whine that "corporate welfare" means you cant stop the welfare spending. neat trick!

Doesn't matter if liberal at Apple got some money, or Tunisia, or the National Weather Service. Welfare is breaking us. And there is no connection. If you want to cut welfare there is no tie to cutting off sewer funding to insurance agencies in Omaha. It is a liberal scam. "We cant cut welfare because "fill in the blank" welfare....
Bogus.

But more than that it ensures that Democrats can continue their handouts to corporations. it makes corporations complicit in the general theft. To lose that straw man "corporate welfare" would be catastrophic for corp[orate boards, democrat politicians and welfare vote farms.

Welfare is a necessity for when capitalism fails.

That won't work. 1 trillion dollars per year? That is hardly a safety net or backstop. That's full time careers for inner city slums who vote Democrat.

Thats just your prejudice at work.
When capitalism fails, as it does every few years, there needs to be a safety net for those who are the victims.

If you cant see that then I truly wonder.

Look at it this way. You arent going to sit back and watch your kids starve so society needs to provide or face the consequences.

Capitalism never fails. Government is what fails.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Welfare is when the government takes money from working people and hands it out to people who dont work. Its that simple. Now you can add all the adjectives you want..."corporate" or whatever. Different animal. But I dont think the confusion liberals try to sow with it work anymore. Since Obama came into office welfare spending (look up welfare at Wikipedia if you still dont know what it is) has risen 25% to over 900,000,000,000. LINK That is a lot of zeros. How to do it? Well for eight years you fund your pet liberals in corporations...then you whine that "corporate welfare" means you cant stop the welfare spending. neat trick!

Doesn't matter if liberal at Apple got some money, or Tunisia, or the National Weather Service. Welfare is breaking us. And there is no connection. If you want to cut welfare there is no tie to cutting off sewer funding to insurance agencies in Omaha. It is a liberal scam. "We cant cut welfare because "fill in the blank" welfare....
Bogus.

But more than that it ensures that Democrats can continue their handouts to corporations. it makes corporations complicit in the general theft. To lose that straw man "corporate welfare" would be catastrophic for corp[orate boards, democrat politicians and welfare vote farms.

Welfare is a necessity for when capitalism fails.

That won't work. 1 trillion dollars per year? That is hardly a safety net or backstop. That's full time careers for inner city slums who vote Democrat.

Thats just your prejudice at work.
When capitalism fails, as it does every few years, there needs to be a safety net for those who are the victims.

If you cant see that then I truly wonder.

Look at it this way. You arent going to sit back and watch your kids starve so society needs to provide or face the consequences.

Capitalism never fails. Government is what fails.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[OnePercenter]

There's no such thing as corporate welfare.

Ever hear of the Farm Bill ?

Yep. Another abysmal example of corporatism.

The farm bill started in helping family farms, but thanks to Republicans it's morphed into a huge corporate loophole.

It's a common pattern. Democrats propose laws that expand government; and Republicans show us why it was a bad idea.

Republicans show us why it was a bad idea by morphing it to expand corporate profits while screwing workers and consumers?

 

[Timmy]

Welfare is when the government takes money from working people and hands it out to people who dont work. Its that simple. Now you can add all the adjectives you want..."corporate" or whatever. Different animal. But I dont think the confusion liberals try to sow with it work anymore. Since Obama came into office welfare spending (look up welfare at Wikipedia if you still dont know what it is) has risen 25% to over 900,000,000,000. LINK That is a lot of zeros. How to do it? Well for eight years you fund your pet liberals in corporations...then you whine that "corporate welfare" means you cant stop the welfare spending. neat trick!

Doesn't matter if liberal at Apple got some money, or Tunisia, or the National Weather Service. Welfare is breaking us. And there is no connection. If you want to cut welfare there is no tie to cutting off sewer funding to insurance agencies in Omaha. It is a liberal scam. "We cant cut welfare because "fill in the blank" welfare....
Bogus.

But more than that it ensures that Democrats can continue their handouts to corporations. it makes corporations complicit in the general theft. To lose that straw man "corporate welfare" would be catastrophic for corp[orate boards, democrat politicians and welfare vote farms.

Welfare is a necessity for when capitalism fails.

That won't work. 1 trillion dollars per year? That is hardly a safety net or backstop. That's full time careers for inner city slums who vote Democrat.

Thats just your prejudice at work.
When capitalism fails, as it does every few years, there needs to be a safety net for those who are the victims.

If you cant see that then I truly wonder.

Look at it this way. You arent going to sit back and watch your kids starve so society needs to provide or face the consequences.

Capitalism never fails. Government is what fails.

Capitalism eats itself if unchecked . We've seen that in the early 1900s .

 

[bripat9643]

Welfare is when the government takes money from working people and hands it out to people who dont work. Its that simple. Now you can add all the adjectives you want..."corporate" or whatever. Different animal. But I dont think the confusion liberals try to sow with it work anymore. Since Obama came into office welfare spending (look up welfare at Wikipedia if you still dont know what it is) has risen 25% to over 900,000,000,000. LINK That is a lot of zeros. How to do it? Well for eight years you fund your pet liberals in corporations...then you whine that "corporate welfare" means you cant stop the welfare spending. neat trick!

Doesn't matter if liberal at Apple got some money, or Tunisia, or the National Weather Service. Welfare is breaking us. And there is no connection. If you want to cut welfare there is no tie to cutting off sewer funding to insurance agencies in Omaha. It is a liberal scam. "We cant cut welfare because "fill in the blank" welfare....
Bogus.

But more than that it ensures that Democrats can continue their handouts to corporations. it makes corporations complicit in the general theft. To lose that straw man "corporate welfare" would be catastrophic for corp[orate boards, democrat politicians and welfare vote farms.

Welfare is a necessity for when capitalism fails.

That won't work. 1 trillion dollars per year? That is hardly a safety net or backstop. That's full time careers for inner city slums who vote Democrat.

Thats just your prejudice at work.
When capitalism fails, as it does every few years, there needs to be a safety net for those who are the victims.

If you cant see that then I truly wonder.

Look at it this way. You arent going to sit back and watch your kids starve so society needs to provide or face the consequences.

Capitalism never fails. Government is what fails.

Capitalism eats itself if unchecked . We've seen that in the early 1900s .

How did it "eat itself?" Capitalism produced all the miracles Americans enjoyed at the turn of the century. The automobile, electric lights, refrigeration, telephone, radio.

 

[bripat9643]

There's no such thing as corporate welfare.

Ever hear of the Farm Bill ?

Yep. Another abysmal example of corporatism.

The farm bill started in helping family farms, but thanks to Republicans it's morphed into a huge corporate loophole.

It's a common pattern. Democrats propose laws that expand government; and Republicans show us why it was a bad idea.

Republicans show us why it was a bad idea by morphing it to expand corporate profits while screwing workers and consumers?

Government screws workers and consumers, not capitalism. Just look at all the immigrants government is importing into the country. Everyone of them takes an American job. You can't screw the American worker any worse than that.

 

[K9Buck]

There's no such thing as corporate welfare.

Ever hear of the Farm Bill ?

Yep. Another abysmal example of corporatism.

The farm bill started in helping family farms, but thanks to Republicans it's morphed into a huge corporate loophole.

When did that happen and why didn't the Democratic congress and Democratic president change it back in 2009?

 

[Timmy]

Welfare is a necessity for when capitalism fails.

That won't work. 1 trillion dollars per year? That is hardly a safety net or backstop. That's full time careers for inner city slums who vote Democrat.

Thats just your prejudice at work.
When capitalism fails, as it does every few years, there needs to be a safety net for those who are the victims.

If you cant see that then I truly wonder.

Look at it this way. You arent going to sit back and watch your kids starve so society needs to provide or face the consequences.

Capitalism never fails. Government is what fails.

Capitalism eats itself if unchecked . We've seen that in the early 1900s .

How did it "eat itself?" Capitalism produced all the miracles Americans enjoyed at the turn of the century. The automobile, electric lights, refrigeration, telephone, radio.

Competition is central to capitalism. Yet every business seeks to eliminate competition. When they succeed , capitalism collapses .

 

[bripat9643]

That won't work. 1 trillion dollars per year? That is hardly a safety net or backstop. That's full time careers for inner city slums who vote Democrat.

Thats just your prejudice at work.
When capitalism fails, as it does every few years, there needs to be a safety net for those who are the victims.

If you cant see that then I truly wonder.

Look at it this way. You arent going to sit back and watch your kids starve so society needs to provide or face the consequences.

Capitalism never fails. Government is what fails.

Capitalism eats itself if unchecked . We've seen that in the early 1900s .

How did it "eat itself?" Capitalism produced all the miracles Americans enjoyed at the turn of the century. The automobile, electric lights, refrigeration, telephone, radio.

Competition is central to capitalism. Yet every business seeks to eliminate competition. When they succeed , capitalism collapses .

They only succeed in eliminating competition when they get the government on their side. Competition was pretty close to being unchecked at the turn of the century.