Corporate welfare in action ....

[Brain357]

Ever hear of the Farm Bill ?

Yep. Another abysmal example of corporatism.

The farm bill started in helping family farms, but thanks to Republicans it's morphed into a huge corporate loophole.

It's a common pattern. Democrats propose laws that expand government; and Republicans show us why it was a bad idea.

Republicans show us why it was a bad idea by morphing it to expand corporate profits while screwing workers and consumers?

Government screws workers and consumers, not capitalism. Just look at all the immigrants government is importing into the country. Everyone of them takes an American job. You can't screw the American worker any worse than that.

And yet you are ok with the government picking winners and losers.

 

[Brain357]

Thats just your prejudice at work.
When capitalism fails, as it does every few years, there needs to be a safety net for those who are the victims.

If you cant see that then I truly wonder.

Look at it this way. You arent going to sit back and watch your kids starve so society needs to provide or face the consequences.

Capitalism never fails. Government is what fails.

Capitalism eats itself if unchecked . We've seen that in the early 1900s .

How did it "eat itself?" Capitalism produced all the miracles Americans enjoyed at the turn of the century. The automobile, electric lights, refrigeration, telephone, radio.

Competition is central to capitalism. Yet every business seeks to eliminate competition. When they succeed , capitalism collapses .

They only succeed in eliminating competition when they get the government on their side. Competition was pretty close to being unchecked at the turn of the century.

So like corporate welfare when the government picks winners and losers.

 

[dblack]

Apple to build Iowa data center, get $207.8 million in incentives

We've got to get a handle on this shit. Whatever happened to equal protection?

Could you explain why you oppose this creation of jobs.

Because it perverts markets and because it gives government too much power.

It perverts markets by encouraging businesses to do things that otherwise aren't worthwhile. It's how we get "market failures" like the home loan crisis, or out of control health care inflation.

And it gives government too much power by expanding tax policy into an all-purpose tool for manipulating society.

 

[bripat9643]

Yep. Another abysmal example of corporatism.

The farm bill started in helping family farms, but thanks to Republicans it's morphed into a huge corporate loophole.

It's a common pattern. Democrats propose laws that expand government; and Republicans show us why it was a bad idea.

Republicans show us why it was a bad idea by morphing it to expand corporate profits while screwing workers and consumers?

Government screws workers and consumers, not capitalism. Just look at all the immigrants government is importing into the country. Everyone of them takes an American job. You can't screw the American worker any worse than that.

And yet you are ok with the government picking winners and losers.

I am? Where?

 

[bripat9643]

Capitalism never fails. Government is what fails.

Capitalism eats itself if unchecked . We've seen that in the early 1900s .

How did it "eat itself?" Capitalism produced all the miracles Americans enjoyed at the turn of the century. The automobile, electric lights, refrigeration, telephone, radio.

Competition is central to capitalism. Yet every business seeks to eliminate competition. When they succeed , capitalism collapses .

They only succeed in eliminating competition when they get the government on their side. Competition was pretty close to being unchecked at the turn of the century.

So like corporate welfare when the government picks winners and losers.

Hmmm? Are you claiming the government not interfering is "corporate welfare?"

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That won't work. 1 trillion dollars per year? That is hardly a safety net or backstop. That's full time careers for inner city slums who vote Democrat.

Thats just your prejudice at work.
When capitalism fails, as it does every few years, there needs to be a safety net for those who are the victims.

If you cant see that then I truly wonder.

Look at it this way. You arent going to sit back and watch your kids starve so society needs to provide or face the consequences.

Capitalism never fails. Government is what fails.

Capitalism eats itself if unchecked . We've seen that in the early 1900s .

How did it "eat itself?" Capitalism produced all the miracles Americans enjoyed at the turn of the century. The automobile, electric lights, refrigeration, telephone, radio.

Competition is central to capitalism. Yet every business seeks to eliminate competition. When they succeed , capitalism collapses .

Capitalism is also a situation where people take advantage of breaks that allow them to capitalize.

 

[Brain357]

The farm bill started in helping family farms, but thanks to Republicans it's morphed into a huge corporate loophole.

It's a common pattern. Democrats propose laws that expand government; and Republicans show us why it was a bad idea.

Republicans show us why it was a bad idea by morphing it to expand corporate profits while screwing workers and consumers?

Government screws workers and consumers, not capitalism. Just look at all the immigrants government is importing into the country. Everyone of them takes an American job. You can't screw the American worker any worse than that.

And yet you are ok with the government picking winners and losers.

I am? Where?

Great, so you are against these corporate welfare deals where government gives special deals to corporations and picks winners and losers.

 

[dblack]

There's no such thing as corporate welfare.

Ever hear of the Farm Bill ?

Yep. Another abysmal example of corporatism.

The farm bill started in helping family farms, but thanks to Republicans it's morphed into a huge corporate loophole.

It's a common pattern. Democrats propose laws that expand government; and Republicans show us why it was a bad idea.

Republicans show us why it was a bad idea by morphing it to expand corporate profits while screwing workers and consumers?

Exactly, yes! Democrats seem to imagine only their heroes running things when they vote to expand government power. But then Republicans take over and use the power for their own ends. What the hell did the Democrats think would happen?

 

[Muhammed]

Apple to build Iowa data center, get $207.8 million in incentives

We've got to get a handle on this shit. Whatever happened to equal protection?

Could you explain why you oppose this creation of jobs.

Because it perverts markets and because it gives government too much power.

It perverts markets by encouraging businesses to do things that otherwise aren't worthwhile. It's how we get "market failures" like the home loan crisis, or out of control health care inflation.

And it gives government too much power by expanding tax policy into an all-purpose tool for manipulating society.

Bullshit.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Welfare is when the government takes money from working people and hands it out to people who dont work. Its that simple. Now you can add all the adjectives you want..."corporate" or whatever. Different animal. But I dont think the confusion liberals try to sow with it work anymore. Since Obama came into office welfare spending (look up welfare at Wikipedia if you still dont know what it is) has risen 25% to over 900,000,000,000. LINK That is a lot of zeros. How to do it? Well for eight years you fund your pet liberals in corporations...then you whine that "corporate welfare" means you cant stop the welfare spending. neat trick!

Doesn't matter if liberal at Apple got some money, or Tunisia, or the National Weather Service. Welfare is breaking us. And there is no connection. If you want to cut welfare there is no tie to cutting off sewer funding to insurance agencies in Omaha. It is a liberal scam. "We cant cut welfare because "fill in the blank" welfare....
Bogus.

But more than that it ensures that Democrats can continue their handouts to corporations. it makes corporations complicit in the general theft. To lose that straw man "corporate welfare" would be catastrophic for corp[orate boards, democrat politicians and welfare vote farms.

Welfare is a necessity for when capitalism fails.

Welfare is a necessity when people fail--not capitalism.

Welfare is necessary when employers don't pay a living wage.

Why is welfare needed because of what employers pay? Welfare is a benefit to individuals--not employers.

How did it become the employers responsibility to provide a living wage to employees who's work is not worth a living wage? Shouldn't that be the responsibility of the employee?

I have some very disappointing news for you. People do not start businesses to pay a living wage. They do not start (or maintain) a business to provide great benefits. People start companies to create a product or service for profit. That's where their responsibility ends. If government decides to subsidize people for being failures in life, that's not the fault of the employers--that's the fault of our government and people who become slaves to the government.

 

[bripat9643]

It's a common pattern. Democrats propose laws that expand government; and Republicans show us why it was a bad idea.

Republicans show us why it was a bad idea by morphing it to expand corporate profits while screwing workers and consumers?

Government screws workers and consumers, not capitalism. Just look at all the immigrants government is importing into the country. Everyone of them takes an American job. You can't screw the American worker any worse than that.

And yet you are ok with the government picking winners and losers.

I am? Where?

Great, so you are against these corporate welfare deals where government gives special deals to corporations and picks winners and losers.

Yes, I am against tax abatements, and I'm against publicly funded stadiums.

 

[Brain357]

Republicans show us why it was a bad idea by morphing it to expand corporate profits while screwing workers and consumers?

Government screws workers and consumers, not capitalism. Just look at all the immigrants government is importing into the country. Everyone of them takes an American job. You can't screw the American worker any worse than that.

And yet you are ok with the government picking winners and losers.

I am? Where?

Great, so you are against these corporate welfare deals where government gives special deals to corporations and picks winners and losers.

Yes, I am against tax abatements, and I'm against publicly funded stadiums.

I agree on stadiums too.

 

[BluesLegend]

Asshole Obama stealing General Motors from its rightful owners the bond holders, gifting it to the UAW union, gifting $53 billion in taxpayer dollars to fund their bankrupt pension, now that's corporate welfare.

 

[Thinker101]

Asshole Obama stealing General Motors from its rightful owners the bond holders, gifting it to the UAW union, gifting $53 billion in taxpayer dollars to fund their bankrupt pension, now that's corporate welfare.

Not to mention Obama selling Chrysler to Fiat for pennies on the dollar, which now appears Fiat may be selling Chrysler to the Chinese.....probably not for pennies on the dollar.

 

[BluesLegend]

Asshole Obama stealing General Motors from its rightful owners the bond holders, gifting it to the UAW union, gifting $53 billion in taxpayer dollars to fund their bankrupt pension, now that's corporate welfare.

Not to mention Obama selling Chrysler to Fiat for pennies on the dollar, which now appears Fiat may be selling Chrysler to the Chinese.....probably not for pennies on the dollar.

That pea brain libs have the nerve to yap about corporate welfare after their lawless umpteen billion dollar theft its mind boggling.

 

[DOTR]

Welfare is when the government takes money from working people and hands it out to people who dont work. Its that simple. Now you can add all the adjectives you want..."corporate" or whatever. Different animal. But I dont think the confusion liberals try to sow with it work anymore. Since Obama came into office welfare spending (look up welfare at Wikipedia if you still dont know what it is) has risen 25% to over 900,000,000,000. LINK That is a lot of zeros. How to do it? Well for eight years you fund your pet liberals in corporations...then you whine that "corporate welfare" means you cant stop the welfare spending. neat trick!

Doesn't matter if liberal at Apple got some money, or Tunisia, or the National Weather Service. Welfare is breaking us. And there is no connection. If you want to cut welfare there is no tie to cutting off sewer funding to insurance agencies in Omaha. It is a liberal scam. "We cant cut welfare because "fill in the blank" welfare....
Bogus.

But more than that it ensures that Democrats can continue their handouts to corporations. it makes corporations complicit in the general theft. To lose that straw man "corporate welfare" would be catastrophic for corp[orate boards, democrat politicians and welfare vote farms.

Welfare is a necessity for when capitalism fails.

That won't work. 1 trillion dollars per year? That is hardly a safety net or backstop. That's full time careers for inner city slums who vote Democrat.

Thats just your prejudice at work.
When capitalism fails, as it does every few years, there needs to be a safety net for those who are the victims.

If you cant see that then I truly wonder.

Look at it this way. You arent going to sit back and watch your kids starve so society needs to provide or face the consequences.

No look at it *this* way...a trillion dollars a year, year in and year out, with every attempt to rein it in met with shouts of "corporate welfare!" Is not a safety net. It's just standard operating procedure.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Welfare is when the government takes money from working people and hands it out to people who dont work. Its that simple. Now you can add all the adjectives you want..."corporate" or whatever. Different animal. But I dont think the confusion liberals try to sow with it work anymore. Since Obama came into office welfare spending (look up welfare at Wikipedia if you still dont know what it is) has risen 25% to over 900,000,000,000. LINK That is a lot of zeros. How to do it? Well for eight years you fund your pet liberals in corporations...then you whine that "corporate welfare" means you cant stop the welfare spending. neat trick!

Doesn't matter if liberal at Apple got some money, or Tunisia, or the National Weather Service. Welfare is breaking us. And there is no connection. If you want to cut welfare there is no tie to cutting off sewer funding to insurance agencies in Omaha. It is a liberal scam. "We cant cut welfare because "fill in the blank" welfare....
Bogus.

But more than that it ensures that Democrats can continue their handouts to corporations. it makes corporations complicit in the general theft. To lose that straw man "corporate welfare" would be catastrophic for corp[orate boards, democrat politicians and welfare vote farms.

Welfare is a necessity for when capitalism fails.

Welfare is a necessity when people fail--not capitalism.

Welfare is necessary when employers don't pay a living wage.

Why is welfare needed because of what employers pay? Welfare is a benefit to individuals--not employers.

How did it become the employers responsibility to provide a living wage to employees who's work is not worth a living wage? Shouldn't that be the responsibility of the employee?

I have some very disappointing news for you. People do not start businesses to pay a living wage. They do not start (or maintain) a business to provide great benefits. People start companies to create a product or service for profit. That's where their responsibility ends. If government decides to subsidize people for being failures in life, that's not the fault of the employers--that's the fault of our government and people who become slaves to the government.

So I can pay you this amount which is a living wage or I can pay you this amount which is a lot lower because I know that the government will step in and not let you starve.

Hmmmmmm, tough decision.

So the government props up shit businesses which undercut legit businesses and its all a race to the bottom.And that is why the working man is screwed at every level.

If your business model doesnt allow you to pay a living wage then its not a business its a welfare dependent.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Welfare is when the government takes money from working people and hands it out to people who dont work. Its that simple. Now you can add all the adjectives you want..."corporate" or whatever. Different animal. But I dont think the confusion liberals try to sow with it work anymore. Since Obama came into office welfare spending (look up welfare at Wikipedia if you still dont know what it is) has risen 25% to over 900,000,000,000. LINK That is a lot of zeros. How to do it? Well for eight years you fund your pet liberals in corporations...then you whine that "corporate welfare" means you cant stop the welfare spending. neat trick!

Doesn't matter if liberal at Apple got some money, or Tunisia, or the National Weather Service. Welfare is breaking us. And there is no connection. If you want to cut welfare there is no tie to cutting off sewer funding to insurance agencies in Omaha. It is a liberal scam. "We cant cut welfare because "fill in the blank" welfare....
Bogus.

But more than that it ensures that Democrats can continue their handouts to corporations. it makes corporations complicit in the general theft. To lose that straw man "corporate welfare" would be catastrophic for corp[orate boards, democrat politicians and welfare vote farms.

Welfare is a necessity for when capitalism fails.

That won't work. 1 trillion dollars per year? That is hardly a safety net or backstop. That's full time careers for inner city slums who vote Democrat.

Thats just your prejudice at work.
When capitalism fails, as it does every few years, there needs to be a safety net for those who are the victims.

If you cant see that then I truly wonder.

Look at it this way. You arent going to sit back and watch your kids starve so society needs to provide or face the consequences.

No look at it *this* way...a trillion dollars a year, year in and year out, with every attempt to rein it in met with shouts of "corporate welfare!" Is not a safety net. It's just standard operating procedure.

You are worrying about figures,thats a waste of time. A trillion or a billion is just an indication of the extent of the problem.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That pea brain libs have the nerve to yap about corporate welfare after their lawless umpteen billion dollar theft its mind boggling.

Not to mention their corporate welfare to lure people into buying electric cars they really don't want.

 

[dblack]

That pea brain libs have the nerve to yap about corporate welfare after their lawless umpteen billion dollar theft its mind boggling.

Not to mention their corporate welfare to lure people into buying electric cars they really don't want.

Yep. It's the same abuse of the taxation power. Taxes should be confined to raising revenue and applied as evenly as possible. We shouldn't let government use its power to tax as a carrot and stick to manipulate society.