Corporate welfare in action ....

[dblack]

Let the the whoring begin!

Amazon opens bidding to cities for $5 billion 'HQ2', a second headquarters

 

[Brain357]

Let the the whoring begin!

Amazon opens bidding to cities for $5 billion 'HQ2', a second headquarters

Amazon wins, tax payers lose.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Apple to build Iowa data center, get $207.8 million in incentives

We've got to get a handle on this shit. Whatever happened to equal protection?

What you call welfare as opposed to incentives, creates jobs which yields tax revenue and consumer spending.

 

[Brain357]

Apple to build Iowa data center, get $207.8 million in incentives

We've got to get a handle on this shit. Whatever happened to equal protection?

What you call welfare as opposed to incentives, creates jobs which yields tax revenue and consumer spending.

$870 for Direct Subsidies and Grants to Companies. The Cato Institute estimates that the U.S. federal government spends $100 billion a year on corporate welfare. That’s an average of $870 for each one of America’s 115 million families.
Calculating the Real Cost of Corporate Welfare

Just hosing the tax payer. Huge corporations and politicians win. Tax payer loses.

 

[Aries]

IF corporate welfare created a living wage, we wouldn't need social welfare.



Alas, the greedy Ceos just pocket the money and leave their workers for the department of social serves to support. Shocker.

An employer does all that, huh? I guess the worker is in no way responsible. After all, if your highest talent is stocking shelves, it should at least pay $22.00 an hour not because the work is worth it, but because it's the right thing to do. And as we know, people don't start businesses to make a profit, they start businesses as a social obligation.

Any American working 40 hours a week should be making a living wage. Period. If you think otherwise you're a POS.

People can't survive off 10 an hour in most places, living costs are too high!!

 

[Aries]

IF corporate welfare created a living wage, we wouldn't need social welfare.



Alas, the greedy Ceos just pocket the money and leave their workers for the department of social serves to support. Shocker.

If not for the corporations providing low paying jobs, there wouldn't be any, and everyone would be on full benefits.

They are able spare a living wage. They don't want to and they don't care. The owners of Wal-Mart are making a killing and a high number of their employees don't make enough to make ends meet. They can pay people more, they don't. And it's not right.

 

[Aries]

IF corporate welfare created a living wage, we wouldn't need social welfare.

Who determines if the work is worth a "living wage"?

The employer paying the wages.

Actually the federal poverty level that tracks inflation and living costs...

 

[Aries]

IF corporate welfare created a living wage, we wouldn't need social welfare.

Who determines if the work is worth a "living wage"?

The employer paying the wages.

No, it's the consumer.

The employer has no ability to dictate wages. If he could, he would simply determine that the work, was worth a million dollars an hour. Collect $50,000 per hour, and pay the employee $950,000 an hour, and the employer would be a trillionaire by the end of the month.

The problem is, the employer can't determine the value of the labor. The customer does.

If you charge $15 for a cheap fast food burger, because you want to pay your employees $15 an hour.... I'm not buying that burger. I'll buy a cheap grill, and buy lbs of hamburger for $3, and grill my own burgers at work, before I'll pay $15 for a cheap burger at a store.

So then the employer goes out of business, and the employees earn zero.

A real life example would be me and Chipotle. I used to go to chipotle all the time. Back when a burrito was $4.75, for a few chunks of chicken, and some rice, and cheese, it was a good deal.

Now after the minimum wage has gone up, that same Burrito is $7. I'm not paying $7 for rice, cheese and some chicken. It's not worth it. That's too much money, for cheap fast food.

So I haven't been to Chipotle in years. Now you increase the minimum wage, and this effect becomes larger and more and more people stop paying tons of money for cheap stuff... and people lose their jobs, and end up earning the real minimum wage of ZERO.

When people are paid more they spend more.
Cost inflation has been ballooning for decades and wages (in comparision) are increasing slower than a 1 legged horse.
When the working class is being paid more, they consume more creating higher demand for products and labor...

Btw I love chipotle and those workers making the burritos are sometimes working 10-12 hour days until their feet are sore. Also the burritos are huge... I pay $7 for one and leave a tip.

 

[dblack]

Any American working 40 hours a week should be making a living wage. ...

If they're not, how should they be punished? Is eliminatimg their jobs enough? Or do we need more stringent measures?

 

[Aries]

Any American working 40 hours a week should be making a living wage. ...

If they're not, how should they be punished? Is eliminatimg their jobs enough? Or do we need more stringent measures?

Let's try raising minimum wage...

I think if we raised minimum wage you would be shocked at the decrease of welfare..

 

[Aries]

Apple to build Iowa data center, get $207.8 million in incentives

We've got to get a handle on this shit. Whatever happened to equal protection?

What you call welfare as opposed to incentives, creates jobs which yields tax revenue and consumer spending.

It only creates jobs when invested correctly. You think the greedy money grubbers invest in jobs? Or golden toilets?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

IF corporate welfare created a living wage, we wouldn't need social welfare.

Who determines if the work is worth a "living wage"?

The employer paying the wages.

No, it's the consumer.

Nope. The consumer determines the price of goods and services. The employer determines the costs of producing it, including the dollar value of the work required to produce it, thereby determining whether profit can be expected, or not. The price can fluctuate according to economic conditions.

The employee can decide whether or not he will fill particular job at the wage offered by the employer. If not, he may go elsewhere.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Any American working 40 hours a week should be making a living wage. ...

If they're not, how should they be punished? Is eliminatimg their jobs enough? Or do we need more stringent measures?

Let's try raising minimum wage...

I think if we raised minimum wage you would be shocked at the decrease of welfare..

Ya think? Where would they work?

 

[dblack]

Any American working 40 hours a week should be making a living wage. ...

If they're not, how should they be punished? Is eliminatimg their jobs enough? Or do we need more stringent measures?

Let's try raising minimum wage...

I think if we raised minimum wage you would be shocked at the decrease of welfare..

You realize the thread is actually about states "competing" for corporate attention with tax incentives, right?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

IF corporate welfare created a living wage, we wouldn't need social welfare.



Alas, the greedy Ceos just pocket the money and leave their workers for the department of social serves to support. Shocker.

An employer does all that, huh? I guess the worker is in no way responsible. After all, if your highest talent is stocking shelves, it should at least pay $22.00 an hour not because the work is worth it, but because it's the right thing to do. And as we know, people don't start businesses to make a profit, they start businesses as a social obligation.

Any American working 40 hours a week should be making a living wage. Period. If you think otherwise you're a POS.

People can't survive off 10 an hour in most places, living costs are too high!!

Any American working 40 hours a week should be making a living wage.

LOL!

 

[danielpalos]

Yes I do understand. I understand the services that these companies receive while not paying taxes are not free. I understand other companies then have to pay for these services that are not free. Huge companies with the most lobbyists win while the tax payer loses.

How are they not paying for services? Of course they are, they are just paying less, but every company pays more than their fair share for city and state services. Yes, they did build that!

Foxconn is getting a $3 billion deal. WI is paying them for the services they are providing. And why? Because lobbyists pay off the crooked politicians. Huge companies win, tax payers lose. There was a time repubs cared about the tax payer. Now they just pretend to.

Are they getting a 3 billion dollar check from the government or are they not paying 3 billion dollars to the government? Big difference.

Assuming you work for a living, you most likely work for a company that has different pay rates for different positions. What would happen if your company paid everybody the same? It would never work, why? Because some positions bring more value to a company than others.

So if all workers made as much as your tow motor driver, you would not be able to bring in the value of CEO's, sales people, engineers, maintenance people and so on.

Different jobs have different values to the companies, and that's the way it works with government bringing in businesses to their city or state.

Bob's antique shop is not going to bring in the revenue to a city as a Google outlet. Joe's hardware store is not going to bring in the revenue to a city that a Home Depot will. Han's hamburger shop will not bring in the revenue that a McDonald's will. Discount Don's will not bring in the revenue as a Dollar General store.

Much like the company you work for, different businesses have different values to a city or state. Very few (if any) politicians would offer a company tax abatements unless it was a net advantage to their city. They can't offer everybody the same tax rate because their value to the city is worth much less than the company(s) they offer larger breaks for.

I really think you would like communism ray. Then the gov can just put up a business wherever they want.

No, they can't. We've seen that in China. They built entire cities and tried to move people to them. It didn't work. Entire ghost towns.

Spain did the same thing. They put up airports in the middle of nowhere, put people to staff them, and it didn't work.

Government can't just do anything they want. Greece tried that plan to. Government can do anything... until it runs out of other people's money.

Only in right wing fantasy. The Cities are already built through socialism.

The holdup is Capitalism and how much the elite are going to be able to make.

 

[Brain357]

How are they not paying for services? Of course they are, they are just paying less, but every company pays more than their fair share for city and state services. Yes, they did build that!

Foxconn is getting a $3 billion deal. WI is paying them for the services they are providing. And why? Because lobbyists pay off the crooked politicians. Huge companies win, tax payers lose. There was a time repubs cared about the tax payer. Now they just pretend to.

Are they getting a 3 billion dollar check from the government or are they not paying 3 billion dollars to the government? Big difference.

Assuming you work for a living, you most likely work for a company that has different pay rates for different positions. What would happen if your company paid everybody the same? It would never work, why? Because some positions bring more value to a company than others.

So if all workers made as much as your tow motor driver, you would not be able to bring in the value of CEO's, sales people, engineers, maintenance people and so on.

Different jobs have different values to the companies, and that's the way it works with government bringing in businesses to their city or state.

Bob's antique shop is not going to bring in the revenue to a city as a Google outlet. Joe's hardware store is not going to bring in the revenue to a city that a Home Depot will. Han's hamburger shop will not bring in the revenue that a McDonald's will. Discount Don's will not bring in the revenue as a Dollar General store.

Much like the company you work for, different businesses have different values to a city or state. Very few (if any) politicians would offer a company tax abatements unless it was a net advantage to their city. They can't offer everybody the same tax rate because their value to the city is worth much less than the company(s) they offer larger breaks for.

I really think you would like communism ray. Then the gov can just put up a business wherever they want.

No, they can't. We've seen that in China. They built entire cities and tried to move people to them. It didn't work. Entire ghost towns.

Spain did the same thing. They put up airports in the middle of nowhere, put people to staff them, and it didn't work.

Government can't just do anything they want. Greece tried that plan to. Government can do anything... until it runs out of other people's money.

Only in right wing fantasy. The Cities are already built through socialism.

The holdup is Capitalism and how much the elite are going to be able to make.

Crony capitalism is the problem.

 

[Aldo Raine]

Apple to build Iowa data center, get $207.8 million in incentives

We've got to get a handle on this shit. Whatever happened to equal protection?

What you call welfare as opposed to incentives, creates jobs which yields tax revenue and consumer spending.

It is government picking winners and losers, it is not free enterprise or capitalism! Plan and simple.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Any American working 40 hours a week should be making a living wage. ...

If they're not, how should they be punished? Is eliminatimg their jobs enough? Or do we need more stringent measures?

Let's try raising minimum wage...

I think if we raised minimum wage you would be shocked at the decrease of welfare..

When industries invest in automation to replace humans because human labor is too expensive, you will see an increase in welfare.


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[Brain357]

Any American working 40 hours a week should be making a living wage. ...

If they're not, how should they be punished? Is eliminatimg their jobs enough? Or do we need more stringent measures?

Let's try raising minimum wage...

I think if we raised minimum wage you would be shocked at the decrease of welfare..

When industries invest in automation to replace humans because human labor is too expensive, you will see an increase in welfare.


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And they will probably have help with tax dollars for that investment.

No corporate welfare!