Could America Become the Next Greece?

[Geaux4it]

The radical libbies always tout how the 'rest of world' does this or that when relative to gun laws, marriage equality etc.. Well, then we are also like them in that without skills, you get wages commensurate to your skills.

Simple logic.

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[UllysesS.Archer]

I suppose for those people who never had a good paying job to begin with, or managed to work their way up to one, sitting at home on welfare just might pay as much for them as working,
To them I would say, learn a trade, or get an education. Either way you'll live a more productive life and for those who depend on you, they too will be much better off in the end, so the incentive is there for you to better yourself.

You know what, buddy. We have airline pilots who are selling their blood plasma to make ends meet.

CNS Movie Review Capitalism A Love Story

We have adjunct professors on Food Stamps.

Your College Professor Could Be On Public Assistance - NBC News

So the "Why don't you go out and get some skills" argument doesn't fly. A lot of people did go out and get skills, and the Rich are cheating them anyway.

But much of that is due to people living above their means.

If you have a job making 60k a year, and they are living in a house worth half a million with a payment of 3000 a month, perhaps they should sell that house and get a smaller one. If you can't afford a new BMW, then buy a used Ford.

People should also learn to pay their bills in the correct order. The cell phone payment is NOT the most important bill of the month, neither is the internet bill, unless you work through one of those two ways. For most people, the rent/house payment should be first, and then the utilities and food. Cut up the credit cards and just spend money with what you have in hand.

I've never had a credit card, and I save my money to buy a vehicle, my bills only come to half of what I make a month, and I think I live extravagantly, due to the fact, I can go anywhere to eat, anytime I want, or take a vacation anytime I want, it's called common sense spending.

 

[Correll]

capitalism has not failed. our flawed trade policy has failed.

the nations of the eu are far more socialistic than we are, and are in exactly the same boat, with regards to unsustainable budgets.

not only is the us going to be the next greece, so will every other first world nation.

 

[Correll]

I suppose for those people who never had a good paying job to begin with, or managed to work their way up to one, sitting at home on welfare just might pay as much for them as working,
To them I would say, learn a trade, or get an education. Either way you'll live a more productive life and for those who depend on you, they too will be much better off in the end, so the incentive is there for you to better yourself.

You know what, buddy. We have airline pilots who are selling their blood plasma to make ends meet.

CNS Movie Review Capitalism A Love Story

We have adjunct professors on Food Stamps.

Your College Professor Could Be On Public Assistance - NBC News

So the "Why don't you go out and get some skills" argument doesn't fly. A lot of people did go out and get skills, and the Rich are cheating them anyway.

But much of that is due to people living above their means.

If you have a job making 60k a year, and they are living in a house worth half a million with a payment of 3000 a month, perhaps they should sell that house and get a smaller one. If you can't afford a new BMW, then buy a used Ford.

People should also learn to pay their bills in the correct order. The cell phone payment is NOT the most important bill of the month, neither is the internet bill, unless you work through one of those two ways. For most people, the rent/house payment should be first, and then the utilities and food. Cut up the credit cards and just spend money with what you have in hand.

I've never had a credit card, and I save my money to buy a vehicle, my bills only come to half of what I make a month, and I think I live extravagantly, due to the fact, I can go anywhere to eat, anytime I want, or take a vacation anytime I want, it's called common sense spending.

yes, i've seen a lot of that. with people who have worked for me in the past, who i knew made less money than me. with friends and family who make far more money than me.

 

[pwjohn]

I suppose for those people who never had a good paying job to begin with, or managed to work their way up to one, sitting at home on welfare just might pay as much for them as working,
To them I would say, learn a trade, or get an education. Either way you'll live a more productive life and for those who depend on you, they too will be much better off in the end, so the incentive is there for you to better yourself.

You know what, buddy. We have airline pilots who are selling their blood plasma to make ends meet.

CNS Movie Review Capitalism A Love Story

We have adjunct professors on Food Stamps.

Your College Professor Could Be On Public Assistance - NBC News

So the "Why don't you go out and get some skills" argument doesn't fly. A lot of people did go out and get skills, and the Rich are cheating them anyway.

What you say is true to a certain extent, but not in every case.

I never said doing well was gonna be easy, or happen overnight..
A good job degree, or trade that doesn't rely entirely on new construction should be enough to get you out of the poor house and making a living

 

[Care4all]

The elites found a way to break the system. When inner city scum who don't work, and pop out welfare coupons, can vote for who gives them the best deal on our hard earned money, you can never really go back.

The problem is, you really think this is true.

Most people on governmetn assistance have jobs. Most people on welfare are only on welfare for a couple of years.

Big Corporations like Wal Mart and McDonalds don't pay a living wage, and then tell their employees how to apply for Food Stamps and Medicaid....

And people like you blame the poor.

Here's a skewed ratio on the welfare takers who are 4.1% of the population

Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %

And you're wrong. Most people are on welfare for 2-5 years is 26.9%, with the second leader coming in at over a whopping FIVE years are 19.6%

So since when does a 'couple years' equal five years or more?

-Geaux

5 years is the maximum FEDERAL welfare limit...from my understanding? And anyone receiving it past that point is receiving welfare from their State funds only and not from the feds...and each State has their own rules on how long they can receive it....past the Federal limit.

 

[pwjohn]

I suppose for those people who never had a good paying job to begin with, or managed to work their way up to one, sitting at home on welfare just might pay as much for them as working,
To them I would say, learn a trade, or get an education. Either way you'll live a more productive life and for those who depend on you, they too will be much better off in the end, so the incentive is there for you to better yourself.

You know what, buddy. We have airline pilots who are selling their blood plasma to make ends meet.

CNS Movie Review Capitalism A Love Story

We have adjunct professors on Food Stamps.

Your College Professor Could Be On Public Assistance - NBC News

So the "Why don't you go out and get some skills" argument doesn't fly. A lot of people did go out and get skills, and the Rich are cheating them anyway.

But much of that is due to people living above their means.

If you have a job making 60k a year, and they are living in a house worth half a million with a payment of 3000 a month, perhaps they should sell that house and get a smaller one. If you can't afford a new BMW, then buy a used Ford.

People should also learn to pay their bills in the correct order. The cell phone payment is NOT the most important bill of the month, neither is the internet bill, unless you work through one of those two ways. For most people, the rent/house payment should be first, and then the utilities and food. Cut up the credit cards and just spend money with what you have in hand.

I've never had a credit card, and I save my money to buy a vehicle, my bills only come to half of what I make a month, and I think I live extravagantly, due to the fact, I can go anywhere to eat, anytime I want, or take a vacation anytime I want, it's called common sense spending.

How can a kid with no job skills of any kind ever hope to make 60k a year?

Never gonna happen.

And besides, living beyond your means is an entirely different matter,

 

[Wyatt earp]

I suppose for those people who never had a good paying job to begin with, or managed to work their way up to one, sitting at home on welfare just might pay as much for them as working,
To them I would say, learn a trade, or get an education. Either way you'll live a more productive life and for those who depend on you, they too will be much better off in the end, so the incentive is there for you to better yourself.

You know what, buddy. We have airline pilots who are selling their blood plasma to make ends meet.

CNS Movie Review Capitalism A Love Story

We have adjunct professors on Food Stamps.

Your College Professor Could Be On Public Assistance - NBC News

So the "Why don't you go out and get some skills" argument doesn't fly. A lot of people did go out and get skills, and the Rich are cheating them anyway.

But much of that is due to people living above their means.

If you have a job making 60k a year, and they are living in a house worth half a million with a payment of 3000 a month, perhaps they should sell that house and get a smaller one. If you can't afford a new BMW, then buy a used Ford.

People should also learn to pay their bills in the correct order. The cell phone payment is NOT the most important bill of the month, neither is the internet bill, unless you work through one of those two ways. For most people, the rent/house payment should be first, and then the utilities and food. Cut up the credit cards and just spend money with what you have in hand.

I've never had a credit card, and I save my money to buy a vehicle, my bills only come to half of what I make a month, and I think I live extravagantly, due to the fact, I can go anywhere to eat, anytime I want, or take a vacation anytime I want, it's called common sense spending.

yup, my electric Bill was $26 bucks last month and I live in South Carolina. I made 75 grand last year , I own my home , I own both of my trucks, I don't have a cable Bill... Could I afford A/C and cable? Yup but I perfect using the money for vacations or doing what ever I want.

 

[bodecea]

"The next Greece?"

You mean to be a part of a fixed exchange system with an uncompetitive economy when you can't devalue or print your currency and most of your debt is held by other governments demanding you abide by austerity or leave the currency union?

The answer would be "no."

I concur.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I suppose for those people who never had a good paying job to begin with, or managed to work their way up to one, sitting at home on welfare just might pay as much for them as working,
To them I would say, learn a trade, or get an education. Either way you'll live a more productive life and for those who depend on you, they too will be much better off in the end, so the incentive is there for you to better yourself.

You know what, buddy. We have airline pilots who are selling their blood plasma to make ends meet.

CNS Movie Review Capitalism A Love Story

We have adjunct professors on Food Stamps.

Your College Professor Could Be On Public Assistance - NBC News

So the "Why don't you go out and get some skills" argument doesn't fly. A lot of people did go out and get skills, and the Rich are cheating them anyway.

But much of that is due to people living above their means.

If you have a job making 60k a year, and they are living in a house worth half a million with a payment of 3000 a month, perhaps they should sell that house and get a smaller one. If you can't afford a new BMW, then buy a used Ford.

People should also learn to pay their bills in the correct order. The cell phone payment is NOT the most important bill of the month, neither is the internet bill, unless you work through one of those two ways. For most people, the rent/house payment should be first, and then the utilities and food. Cut up the credit cards and just spend money with what you have in hand.

I've never had a credit card, and I save my money to buy a vehicle, my bills only come to half of what I make a month, and I think I live extravagantly, due to the fact, I can go anywhere to eat, anytime I want, or take a vacation anytime I want, it's called common sense spending.

How can a kid with no job skills of any kind ever hope to make 60k a year?

Never gonna happen.

And besides, living beyond your means is an entirely different matter,

you are full of shut, it happened to my dad, it happened to me and just a week ago a 28 year old guy who started as an operator@18 got promoted to a mold processor, he will make 50 grand a year.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The elites found a way to break the system. When inner city scum who don't work, and pop out welfare coupons, can vote for who gives them the best deal on our hard earned money, you can never really go back.

The problem is, you really think this is true.

Most people on governmetn assistance have jobs. Most people on welfare are only on welfare for a couple of years.

Big Corporations like Wal Mart and McDonalds don't pay a living wage, and then tell their employees how to apply for Food Stamps and Medicaid....

And people like you blame the poor.

Yep.

And most are children, the elderly, handicapped, including vets.

 

[EatMorChikin]

There is no incentive to get a job when I can stay at home for the same pay. Just wait on someone else to pay my way. Self pride is something some rich folks talk about.

Being a man today doesn't mean what it used too.

Most people have jobs... and most people would happily work a job if offered to them.

The real problem is that the rich would replace you with a machine, send your job to China, or make one person do the work that used to be done by three. All while making them work harder while paying them less.

So essentially, Capitalism has failed. Time to try something else.

I'm just wondering, what would you suggest?

Would you pay Mcdonalds workers the same wage as a truck driver? Or pay wal-mart employees the same wage as a doctor?

How can we fix it? If you take the rich out of the equation, then who do the working class work for?

We could start by having leaders who actually work for Americans. Every time we turn around we getting sold down the river again.

Any corporation who moved to save paying Americans should have tariffs placed on all their goods. They are a foreign business as far as I'm concerned, if they are doing more than 40% of the manufacturing outside of the USA.

Too harsh? Sell your goods to Mexico and China than.

I wont even shop at Wallmart or Target anymore, just pushers of garbage Chinese goods. Sell that shit to the Chinese, I'm not fuckin buying it.

 

[EatMorChikin]

There is no incentive to get a job when I can stay at home for the same pay. Just wait on someone else to pay my way. Self pride is something some rich folks talk about.

Being a man today doesn't mean what it used too.

Most people have jobs... and most people would happily work a job if offered to them.

The real problem is that the rich would replace you with a machine, send your job to China, or make one person do the work that used to be done by three. All while making them work harder while paying them less.

So essentially, Capitalism has failed. Time to try something else.

Over 90 million people don't have jobs. Most people have jobs is quite an incorrect statement. Our workforce is as dead as it has been in decades. But the mainstream media told you all is well, most have jobs. Well I guess that's all cleared up.

 

[gipper]

There is no incentive to get a job when I can stay at home for the same pay. Just wait on someone else to pay my way. Self pride is something some rich folks talk about.

Being a man today doesn't mean what it used too.

Most people have jobs... and most people would happily work a job if offered to them.

The real problem is that the rich would replace you with a machine, send your job to China, or make one person do the work that used to be done by three. All while making them work harder while paying them less.

So essentially, Capitalism has failed. Time to try something else.

No. The real problem is an unlimited government designed for the wealthy and by the wealthy.

 

[theHawk]

So essentially, Capitalism has failed. Time to try something else.

Gee look, the inner Commie in JoeB is rearing its ugly head.

 

[UllysesS.Archer]

I suppose for those people who never had a good paying job to begin with, or managed to work their way up to one, sitting at home on welfare just might pay as much for them as working,
To them I would say, learn a trade, or get an education. Either way you'll live a more productive life and for those who depend on you, they too will be much better off in the end, so the incentive is there for you to better yourself.

You know what, buddy. We have airline pilots who are selling their blood plasma to make ends meet.

CNS Movie Review Capitalism A Love Story

We have adjunct professors on Food Stamps.

Your College Professor Could Be On Public Assistance - NBC News

So the "Why don't you go out and get some skills" argument doesn't fly. A lot of people did go out and get skills, and the Rich are cheating them anyway.

But much of that is due to people living above their means.

If you have a job making 60k a year, and they are living in a house worth half a million with a payment of 3000 a month, perhaps they should sell that house and get a smaller one. If you can't afford a new BMW, then buy a used Ford.

People should also learn to pay their bills in the correct order. The cell phone payment is NOT the most important bill of the month, neither is the internet bill, unless you work through one of those two ways. For most people, the rent/house payment should be first, and then the utilities and food. Cut up the credit cards and just spend money with what you have in hand.

I've never had a credit card, and I save my money to buy a vehicle, my bills only come to half of what I make a month, and I think I live extravagantly, due to the fact, I can go anywhere to eat, anytime I want, or take a vacation anytime I want, it's called common sense spending.

How can a kid with no job skills of any kind ever hope to make 60k a year?

Never gonna happen.

And besides, living beyond your means is an entirely different matter,

Joe was talking about pilots and college professors, not kids with no skills.

In the trucking industry, of which I am an expert, there are drivers who just break into the field who only make 22 cents per mile, that's no money at all, yet, they have to take those jobs, to get the training to drive a truck, and work at that job for at least 6 months before any decent company will consider hiring them, and the good companies require 1 year or more over the road experience, most of that due to insurance company regulations.

There is a driver shortage of over 30k drivers and predicted to be over 100k drivers by the year 2020, so it's a prime time to get a job as a driver, because wages keep going up, as do the miles that are available. And anyone can make a phone call or 2 and get into a driving school and have a guaranteed job, that sucks for the first 6 months, but then the sky is the limit.

I only work 5 days a week, and bring home a very nice paycheck every week, due to the fact that I have tons of experience and a very good driving record, with no accidents and no tickets, that allowed me to drive for one of the top companies in the industry, and they as well have a huge driver shortage, because they only hire the best.

I have a GED, and no other marketable skills, yet I don't mind hard work, and believe me, driving a truck on I-95 for 11 hours a day, is hard work. So your argument doesn't hold water, because anyone without a criminal record, and some with a criminal record for minor offences, can get a job driving a truck, if they cant do that, then do they really deserve to make more than minimum wage?

 

[pwjohn]

I suppose for those people who never had a good paying job to begin with, or managed to work their way up to one, sitting at home on welfare just might pay as much for them as working,
To them I would say, learn a trade, or get an education. Either way you'll live a more productive life and for those who depend on you, they too will be much better off in the end, so the incentive is there for you to better yourself.

You know what, buddy. We have airline pilots who are selling their blood plasma to make ends meet.

CNS Movie Review Capitalism A Love Story

We have adjunct professors on Food Stamps.

Your College Professor Could Be On Public Assistance - NBC News

So the "Why don't you go out and get some skills" argument doesn't fly. A lot of people did go out and get skills, and the Rich are cheating them anyway.

But much of that is due to people living above their means.

If you have a job making 60k a year, and they are living in a house worth half a million with a payment of 3000 a month, perhaps they should sell that house and get a smaller one. If you can't afford a new BMW, then buy a used Ford.

People should also learn to pay their bills in the correct order. The cell phone payment is NOT the most important bill of the month, neither is the internet bill, unless you work through one of those two ways. For most people, the rent/house payment should be first, and then the utilities and food. Cut up the credit cards and just spend money with what you have in hand.

I've never had a credit card, and I save my money to buy a vehicle, my bills only come to half of what I make a month, and I think I live extravagantly, due to the fact, I can go anywhere to eat, anytime I want, or take a vacation anytime I want, it's called common sense spending.

How can a kid with no job skills of any kind ever hope to make 60k a year?

Never gonna happen.

And besides, living beyond your means is an entirely different matter,

you are full of shut, it happened to my dad, it happened to me and just a week ago a 28 year old guy who started as an operator@18 got promoted to a mold processor, he will make 50 grand a year.

I have no idea if your reply was meant for me, but if so. Fuck you and your potty mouth.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I suppose for those people who never had a good paying job to begin with, or managed to work their way up to one, sitting at home on welfare just might pay as much for them as working,
To them I would say, learn a trade, or get an education. Either way you'll live a more productive life and for those who depend on you, they too will be much better off in the end, so the incentive is there for you to better yourself.

You know what, buddy. We have airline pilots who are selling their blood plasma to make ends meet.

CNS Movie Review Capitalism A Love Story

We have adjunct professors on Food Stamps.

Your College Professor Could Be On Public Assistance - NBC News

So the "Why don't you go out and get some skills" argument doesn't fly. A lot of people did go out and get skills, and the Rich are cheating them anyway.

But much of that is due to people living above their means.

If you have a job making 60k a year, and they are living in a house worth half a million with a payment of 3000 a month, perhaps they should sell that house and get a smaller one. If you can't afford a new BMW, then buy a used Ford.

People should also learn to pay their bills in the correct order. The cell phone payment is NOT the most important bill of the month, neither is the internet bill, unless you work through one of those two ways. For most people, the rent/house payment should be first, and then the utilities and food. Cut up the credit cards and just spend money with what you have in hand.

I've never had a credit card, and I save my money to buy a vehicle, my bills only come to half of what I make a month, and I think I live extravagantly, due to the fact, I can go anywhere to eat, anytime I want, or take a vacation anytime I want, it's called common sense spending.

How can a kid with no job skills of any kind ever hope to make 60k a year?

Never gonna happen.

And besides, living beyond your means is an entirely different matter,

you are full of shut, it happened to my dad, it happened to me and just a week ago a 28 year old guy who started as an operator@18 got promoted to a mold processor, he will make 50 grand a year.

I have no idea if your reply was meant for me, but if so. Fuck you and your potty mouth.

you are the one who insists no one with no skills could end up today with no college education, not work their ass off and acquire skills and make way over 60 k ass hole.

Its still there.... Never left

 

[pwjohn]

I suppose for those people who never had a good paying job to begin with, or managed to work their way up to one, sitting at home on welfare just might pay as much for them as working,
To them I would say, learn a trade, or get an education. Either way you'll live a more productive life and for those who depend on you, they too will be much better off in the end, so the incentive is there for you to better yourself.

You know what, buddy. We have airline pilots who are selling their blood plasma to make ends meet.

CNS Movie Review Capitalism A Love Story

We have adjunct professors on Food Stamps.

Your College Professor Could Be On Public Assistance - NBC News

So the "Why don't you go out and get some skills" argument doesn't fly. A lot of people did go out and get skills, and the Rich are cheating them anyway.

But much of that is due to people living above their means.

If you have a job making 60k a year, and they are living in a house worth half a million with a payment of 3000 a month, perhaps they should sell that house and get a smaller one. If you can't afford a new BMW, then buy a used Ford.

People should also learn to pay their bills in the correct order. The cell phone payment is NOT the most important bill of the month, neither is the internet bill, unless you work through one of those two ways. For most people, the rent/house payment should be first, and then the utilities and food. Cut up the credit cards and just spend money with what you have in hand.

I've never had a credit card, and I save my money to buy a vehicle, my bills only come to half of what I make a month, and I think I live extravagantly, due to the fact, I can go anywhere to eat, anytime I want, or take a vacation anytime I want, it's called common sense spending.

How can a kid with no job skills of any kind ever hope to make 60k a year?

Never gonna happen.

And besides, living beyond your means is an entirely different matter,

Joe was talking about pilots and college professors, not kids with no skills.

In the trucking industry, of which I am an expert, there are drivers who just break into the field who only make 22 cents per mile, that's no money at all, yet, they have to take those jobs, to get the training to drive a truck, and work at that job for at least 6 months before any decent company will consider hiring them, and the good companies require 1 year or more over the road experience, most of that due to insurance company regulations.

There is a driver shortage of over 30k drivers and predicted to be over 100k drivers by the year 2020, so it's a prime time to get a job as a driver, because wages keep going up, as do the miles that are available. And anyone can make a phone call or 2 and get into a driving school and have a guaranteed job, that sucks for the first 6 months, but then the sky is the limit.

I only work 5 days a week, and bring home a very nice paycheck every week, due to the fact that I have tons of experience and a very good driving record, with no accidents and no tickets, that allowed me to drive for one of the top companies in the industry, and they as well have a huge driver shortage, because they only hire the best.

I have a GED, and no other marketable skills, yet I don't mind hard work, and believe me, driving a truck on I-95 for 11 hours a day, is hard work. So your argument doesn't hold water, because anyone without a criminal record, and some with a criminal record for minor offences, can get a job driving a truck, if they cant do that, then do they really deserve to make more than minimum wage?

My argument to Joe holds plenty of water and I did say that what he said was true, just not in every case. And maybe not to the extent he might have been implying..That's all.

As for your expertise in the trucking business that can lead to helping those without the skill sets necessary to wheel a big rig around the country in a safe, yet productive manner, I hope you'll offer up some worthy advise to those looking for a way to make a living in the business..Good luck with that..

 

[EatMorChikin]

I suppose for those people who never had a good paying job to begin with, or managed to work their way up to one, sitting at home on welfare just might pay as much for them as working,
To them I would say, learn a trade, or get an education. Either way you'll live a more productive life and for those who depend on you, they too will be much better off in the end, so the incentive is there for you to better yourself.

You know what, buddy. We have airline pilots who are selling their blood plasma to make ends meet.

CNS Movie Review Capitalism A Love Story

We have adjunct professors on Food Stamps.

Your College Professor Could Be On Public Assistance - NBC News

So the "Why don't you go out and get some skills" argument doesn't fly. A lot of people did go out and get skills, and the Rich are cheating them anyway.

But much of that is due to people living above their means.

If you have a job making 60k a year, and they are living in a house worth half a million with a payment of 3000 a month, perhaps they should sell that house and get a smaller one. If you can't afford a new BMW, then buy a used Ford.

People should also learn to pay their bills in the correct order. The cell phone payment is NOT the most important bill of the month, neither is the internet bill, unless you work through one of those two ways. For most people, the rent/house payment should be first, and then the utilities and food. Cut up the credit cards and just spend money with what you have in hand.

I've never had a credit card, and I save my money to buy a vehicle, my bills only come to half of what I make a month, and I think I live extravagantly, due to the fact, I can go anywhere to eat, anytime I want, or take a vacation anytime I want, it's called common sense spending.

How can a kid with no job skills of any kind ever hope to make 60k a year?

Never gonna happen.

And besides, living beyond your means is an entirely different matter,

you are full of shut, it happened to my dad, it happened to me and just a week ago a 28 year old guy who started as an operator@18 got promoted to a mold processor, he will make 50 grand a year.

I have no idea if your reply was meant for me, but if so. Fuck you and your potty mouth.

Wow he said the S word, call Barney Fife!