Could you study Martial Arts three nights a week and not be able to defend yourself?

[Luissa]

damn dean, just when I thought you couldn't be dummer.

practice doesn't mean you're any fucking good.

and "gang sign"?

retard, he's either pointing or using a surfers hand sign for laid back.

I am a horrible speller, but when calling someone dumb one should probably spell it right.

When neither of you have a cogent argument to make, you resort to name calling.

Brilliant.

What is brilliant, is that I didn't call anyone a name in that post. Lol

 

[Luissa]

damn dean, just when I thought you couldn't be dummer.

practice doesn't mean you're any fucking good.

and "gang sign"?

retard, he's either pointing or using a surfers hand sign for laid back.

I am a horrible speller, but when calling someone dumb one should probably spell it right.

Maybe he did, this seems like a pretty good description of rdeano.

The nickname the Band director gives the percussion section after one or more members does something stupid, such as dropping a stick or mallet or doing something equally heinous.

Urban Dictionary: Dummer

Yes, maybe two thumbs is a band director.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

To answer your question. Yes, depending on the circumstances and style you know.

For example, if you are jumped from behind and knocked to the ground you may not know how to defend yourself from that position.

The style I studied as a teen rarely focused on grappling techniques from the ground, focusing on defense in a standing position.

all is really moot in the Zimmerman case though. He did defend himself. He just used a gun. (BTW using weapons is a typical lesson in martial arts)

I learned two thing in martial arts, to hurt the other guy before he hurts you, and there is no such thing as a fair fight.

I have been taught to defend first, fight last. If you attack the person before they hurt you, you might get in trouble with the law.

Personally, I would rather deal with a cop who thought I shouldn't go around scraping my shoe down someone's shin than end up dead.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So can you really study Martial Arts three nights a week and the only thing you learned is "I've fallen and I can't get up"?

Yes. I do karate and I train five nights a week, you are taught how to defend yourself against one attacker, but not multiple attackers, and you are told how to prevent being brought to the ground, but not how to defend yourself while on the ground.

The point is not to let yourself be dragged to the ground in the first place. If someone is over you, beating you, no matter how much training you have, there often isn't a technique you can use to get yourself out of that situation.

What system are you training in???????? Our GoJu kata simulate fighting SIX opponents and I've never seen a system that didn't teach ground defense. While it's true you can't get a hip-snap lower to the ground than on your knees, there are multiple techniques you can employ on the ground. A competent instructor will have enough background in general self-defense tactics to teach escapes from holds, simple throws and foot-sweeps. If you aren't learning these things you need to take a look at another school.

You are assuming the instructor is competent.

The single most amazing thing I ever saw was a demonstration of monkey style kung fu. I wouldn't want to get into it with someone who is proficient in that even if I had 10 people with me.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Witness describes Zimmerman's injuries, phone call to wife | Fox News

The final witness for the day was Lindzee Folgate, a physician's assistant who examined Zimmeman on the day after the shooting. She said that Zimmerman was taking MMA (mixed martial arts) lessons three days a week and that when she suggested that he see a psychologist, he mentioned that he was already seeing one.

I was reading Fox News and came across this interesting bit of news.

This is where Zimmerman said Martin had "jumped out from behind bushes".

George Zimmerman making a "gang sign".

And look, this is a BIG guy studying martial arts and he was getting torn up by a super skinny 17 year old? Good thing he was able to remove the "safety" off the gun. Unless it was already off? Why else chase someone with a gun if you don't intend to use it?

Looks like murder is a REALLY good way to lose weight.

So can you really study Martial Arts three nights a week and the only thing you learned is "I've fallen and I can't get up"?

De la Rionda asks about Zimmerman seeing a psychologist. She says he was already established with a psychologist.
De la Rionda asks about the MMA exercise.
O’Mara objects to being outside the scope.
The attorneys approach for a side bar.

She says she also suggested him seeing a psychological consult and that he was already seeing a psychologist.

She says she doesn’t remember an injury on Zimmerman’s chin.

George Zimmerman Trial Day 15: Live Updates | News 13

I wondered about his MMA experiences because when his cell phone number got released to the media I googled it and it came back as a one time phone number for a martial arts studio.

Curious that he was taken down by a barely 17 year old, isn't it? I think it is very pertinent to the trial and I'm surprised if they are not allowing it.

If you read the thread you will see that everyone who has actually taken martial arts thinks just the opposite.

 

[Luissa]

Yes. I do karate and I train five nights a week, you are taught how to defend yourself against one attacker, but not multiple attackers, and you are told how to prevent being brought to the ground, but not how to defend yourself while on the ground.

The point is not to let yourself be dragged to the ground in the first place. If someone is over you, beating you, no matter how much training you have, there often isn't a technique you can use to get yourself out of that situation.

What system are you training in???????? Our GoJu kata simulate fighting SIX opponents and I've never seen a system that didn't teach ground defense. While it's true you can't get a hip-snap lower to the ground than on your knees, there are multiple techniques you can employ on the ground. A competent instructor will have enough background in general self-defense tactics to teach escapes from holds, simple throws and foot-sweeps. If you aren't learning these things you need to take a look at another school.

You are assuming the instructor is competent.

The single most amazing thing I ever saw was a demonstration of monkey style kung fu. I wouldn't want to get into it with someone who is proficient in that even if I had 10 people with me.

And you are assuming he is not.
No one in this thread knows exactly what kind of training he had.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What system are you training in???????? Our GoJu kata simulate fighting SIX opponents and I've never seen a system that didn't teach ground defense. While it's true you can't get a hip-snap lower to the ground than on your knees, there are multiple techniques you can employ on the ground. A competent instructor will have enough background in general self-defense tactics to teach escapes from holds, simple throws and foot-sweeps. If you aren't learning these things you need to take a look at another school.

You are assuming the instructor is competent.

The single most amazing thing I ever saw was a demonstration of monkey style kung fu. I wouldn't want to get into it with someone who is proficient in that even if I had 10 people with me.

And you are assuming he is not.
No one in this thread knows exactly what kind of training he had.

We were not talking about Zimmerman's instructor so I am not making any assumptions.

 

[Harry Dresden]

What system are you training in???????? Our GoJu kata simulate fighting SIX opponents and I've never seen a system that didn't teach ground defense. While it's true you can't get a hip-snap lower to the ground than on your knees, there are multiple techniques you can employ on the ground. A competent instructor will have enough background in general self-defense tactics to teach escapes from holds, simple throws and foot-sweeps. If you aren't learning these things you need to take a look at another school.

You are assuming the instructor is competent.

The single most amazing thing I ever saw was a demonstration of monkey style kung fu. I wouldn't want to get into it with someone who is proficient in that even if I had 10 people with me.

And you are assuming he is not.
No one in this thread knows exactly what kind of training he had.

this is the Dojo he went to and his Instructor.....looks pretty competent to me....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94UxyiDCps4]Clown Dojo (48-hour Film Project Entry) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Noomi]

So can you really study Martial Arts three nights a week and the only thing you learned is "I've fallen and I can't get up"?

Yes. I do karate and I train five nights a week, you are taught how to defend yourself against one attacker, but not multiple attackers, and you are told how to prevent being brought to the ground, but not how to defend yourself while on the ground.

The point is not to let yourself be dragged to the ground in the first place. If someone is over you, beating you, no matter how much training you have, there often isn't a technique you can use to get yourself out of that situation.

What system are you training in???????? Our GoJu kata simulate fighting SIX opponents and I've never seen a system that didn't teach ground defense. While it's true you can't get a hip-snap lower to the ground than on your knees, there are multiple techniques you can employ on the ground. A competent instructor will have enough background in general self-defense tactics to teach escapes from holds, simple throws and foot-sweeps. If you aren't learning these things you need to take a look at another school.

We are taught to defend first, attack second. My style is non violent, because its a class for children, and elderly people. That isn't to say you can't defend yourself - you can.

My instructors are more than competent - and yes, I know the foot sweeps, head locks etc, how to perform and how to get out of them.

 

[Ava]

And look, this is a BIG guy studying martial arts and he was getting torn up by a super skinny 17 year old?

Uhh...Zimmerman doesn't look big or tall, to me. I thought I would check it out though, and came upon this. Also Trevor Martin, stood 6'3" tall.....


George Zimmerman has gained 110 pounds since the shooting, when he described himself as 5 feet, 8 inches tall and 194 pounds.


Read more: George Zimmerman gains more than 100 pounds since fatally shooting Trayvon Martin* - NY Daily News

George Zimmerman weighs 170#; Trayvon Martin 160# - Charleston Charleston Conservative

The police put Martin at 6' and 160 lbs and Zimmerman at 5'9" and 170.

And I haven't seen a single picture of Martin where he didn't look super skinny. The numbers came from the police. And they had Trayvon's body in the back room for three days. I'm sure they measured it at least once just to see what was "bagged". Imagine a white guy sitting in the back with a cell phone and student ID. Just kidding. You can't. It would never happen.

I know of a trim 6 ft., 17 year old boy who had a fight with a man who stood 6'3" and the boy took him badly, and broke several of his ribs. The boy won the fight. The man told me he never told the boy of his ribs, as he didn't want "the kid" to know how strong his muscles were.

A fact.

 

[Zona]

What system are you training in???????? Our GoJu kata simulate fighting SIX opponents and I've never seen a system that didn't teach ground defense. While it's true you can't get a hip-snap lower to the ground than on your knees, there are multiple techniques you can employ on the ground. A competent instructor will have enough background in general self-defense tactics to teach escapes from holds, simple throws and foot-sweeps. If you aren't learning these things you need to take a look at another school.

You are assuming the instructor is competent.

The single most amazing thing I ever saw was a demonstration of monkey style kung fu. I wouldn't want to get into it with someone who is proficient in that even if I had 10 people with me.

And you are assuming he is not.
No one in this thread knows exactly what kind of training he had.

Remember when they tried to say martin wasthe trained fighter.

 

[Harry Dresden]

You are assuming the instructor is competent.

The single most amazing thing I ever saw was a demonstration of monkey style kung fu. I wouldn't want to get into it with someone who is proficient in that even if I had 10 people with me.

And you are assuming he is not.
No one in this thread knows exactly what kind of training he had.

Remember when they tried to say martin wasthe trained fighter.

remember when you said Zimmerman was the trained..."Fighter"?.....