francoHFW
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The Trib is conservative. Your part of the GOP is the wacky brainwashed part that left the barn, Rush/Glenn/Savage/Moonieman.
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they are now rinos because they spoke the truth to the republican base.
No truth is allowed into the republican bases heads.
It wont fit in there as long as the historically failed ideas they have held onto for decades is in there rattling arround.
Lair !
Except it hasn't been conservative in a long time...
Except it hasn't been conservative in a long time...
Conservative according to the Gospel of You, perhaps. Overall, the Tribune remains generally conservative.
You don't live in Chicago, you have no idea what you are talking about...
You don't live in Chicago, you have no idea what you are talking about...
Oh I don't? Okay, quick, the LA Times....
Oh wait, you don't live in LA so you can't possibly know what you're talking about.
In today's world, we don't have to live in one of these areas to have a familiarity with those papers' material. That aside, trying to appeal to secret authority is logically fallacious.
But I didn't make an assertation about the LA Times... that's the point. I freely admit that I don't know what its leanings are, nor do I care.
But I do see the Tribune, with it's liberal columnists, every day, because I live in this city.
In fact, let's look at today's opinion page..
Opinion - chicagotribune.com
So you have Clarance Page today writing about the end of the TEA Party.
You have Steve Frenchman bemoaning the fact the GOP is now supporting Newt...
You have the editorial board denouncing Newt's marriage,
while trying to excuse philanderers in general.
(They also opposed impeaching Clinton in 1998)
So....ummm looking for the "conservative" viewpoint here... and I really can't find it.
I've read Chapman's columns and he seems to be all over the place. I do know he's got a conservative view on certain energy issues. We corresponded by email several times and I even tried to get him to address an industry group, but he begged off.
Clarance Page- ugh liberal.
Please do not confuse republican ideologues with facts that contradict the brain washing they have received for forty years. When given the reins of government they fail and fail and fail.
"Americans may have elected a Republican president and Congress, but they are unlikely to go back to a world in which one illness can devastate their last years or one storm can destroy their lives. Because government is the one institution that allows us some control over our future, conservatism, which distrusts government so much, is best viewed as a natural counter to liberalism, which, if left unchecked, tends towards wasteful bureaucracy. Indeed, as the Bush administration fully proves, conservatism remains a force of opposition even when it purports to be a governance party. And so the best that can be hoped for is that American voters will do for conservatives what they are unable to do themselves: to vote them out of office." "Why Conservatives Can't Govern" by Alan Wolfe
You think the Chicago Tribune is "conservative".
The Chicago Tribune powers its printing presses after they dug up Col. McCormack, wrapped a copper coil around him, and harvesting the energy produced when he rolled in his grave.
The government ran the already approved plan no matter who was in office that plan was already set and the government followed it.Please do not confuse republican ideologues with facts that contradict the brain washing they have received for forty years. When given the reins of government they fail and fail and fail.
"Americans may have elected a Republican president and Congress, but they are unlikely to go back to a world in which one illness can devastate their last years or one storm can destroy their lives. Because government is the one institution that allows us some control over our future, conservatism, which distrusts government so much, is best viewed as a natural counter to liberalism, which, if left unchecked, tends towards wasteful bureaucracy. Indeed, as the Bush administration fully proves, conservatism remains a force of opposition even when it purports to be a governance party. And so the best that can be hoped for is that American voters will do for conservatives what they are unable to do themselves: to vote them out of office." "Why Conservatives Can't Govern" by Alan Wolfe
I'm still wondering what Obama or Clinton would have done with Katrina that would have been any different than what Bush did.
Oh, that's right. They'd have flown down and hugged more flood victims.
Of course, Katrina was just a disaster for New Orleans. Obama's been a disaster for the whole country.
Please do not confuse republican ideologues with facts that contradict the brain washing they have received for forty years. When given the reins of government they fail and fail and fail.
"Americans may have elected a Republican president and Congress, but they are unlikely to go back to a world in which one illness can devastate their last years or one storm can destroy their lives. Because government is the one institution that allows us some control over our future, conservatism, which distrusts government so much, is best viewed as a natural counter to liberalism, which, if left unchecked, tends towards wasteful bureaucracy. Indeed, as the Bush administration fully proves, conservatism remains a force of opposition even when it purports to be a governance party. And so the best that can be hoped for is that American voters will do for conservatives what they are unable to do themselves: to vote them out of office." "Why Conservatives Can't Govern" by Alan Wolfe
Please do not confuse republican ideologues with facts that contradict the brain washing they have received for forty years.
The government ran the already approved plan no matter who was in office that plan was already set and the government followed it.Please do not confuse republican ideologues with facts that contradict the brain washing they have received for forty years. When given the reins of government they fail and fail and fail.
"Americans may have elected a Republican president and Congress, but they are unlikely to go back to a world in which one illness can devastate their last years or one storm can destroy their lives. Because government is the one institution that allows us some control over our future, conservatism, which distrusts government so much, is best viewed as a natural counter to liberalism, which, if left unchecked, tends towards wasteful bureaucracy. Indeed, as the Bush administration fully proves, conservatism remains a force of opposition even when it purports to be a governance party. And so the best that can be hoped for is that American voters will do for conservatives what they are unable to do themselves: to vote them out of office." "Why Conservatives Can't Govern" by Alan Wolfe
I'm still wondering what Obama or Clinton would have done with Katrina that would have been any different than what Bush did.
Oh, that's right. They'd have flown down and hugged more flood victims.
Of course, Katrina was just a disaster for New Orleans. Obama's been a disaster for the whole country.
The government ran the already approved plan no matter who was in office that plan was already set and the government followed it.I'm still wondering what Obama or Clinton would have done with Katrina that would have been any different than what Bush did.
Oh, that's right. They'd have flown down and hugged more flood victims.
Of course, Katrina was just a disaster for New Orleans. Obama's been a disaster for the whole country.
And that's a good point. The t hing is, Katrina was just off the scale for anything that the plan had ever called for. The Strength of the hurricane, the fact that local officials ignored the warnings and didn't evacuate, the widespread nature of the destruction, just overwealmed what had been set aside.
Fact is, Bush spent as much on the preparations as Clinton had. There was no huge slashing of budgets.
The Chicago Tribune is one of the most conservative papers in the US.
They reverently print every work Kathleen Parker writes.
They endorsed Bush for a second term in the middle of Democratic Stronghold, Chicago.
Chicago Tribune Endorses Bush | Bryan Strawser
(funny, every reason they give for endorsing Bush turns out to be a failure)
They put a lot into this article on page 7 of Saturday's Tribune with lots of graphs and sources.
The same article has been picked up in papers across the US:
Politics | Despite uptick, GOP candidates slam jobs report | Seattle Times Newspaper
Republicans slam President Obama over new jobless figures
Candidates' plans would cut jobs | CharlotteObserver.com & The Charlotte Observer Newspaper
What Romney and Bachmann ignored, as GOP candidates routinely do, is a pattern in the jobs numbers: The number of private-sector jobs has grown for 21 consecutive months, by a total of 2.9 million. The main job losses 446,000 in the same period have been in government, a decline that would accelerate under plans advanced by Republican candidates.
The trend held Friday, with the Labor Department reporting a gain of 140,000 private-sector jobs and a loss of 20,000 government jobs.
In addition to proposals for the future, the Republican candidates' positions would have heightened the most recent government job losses. Many layoffs of local and state government employees were delayed by Obama's 2009 stimulus package, which GOP White House hopefuls denounce.
And some newly jobless were teachers and others whose layoffs Obama tried to avert through $35 billion in federal aid to states. GOP candidates opposed that proposal, and fellow Republicans in Congress killed it.
And by ignoring the human cost, University of Washington political-science professor Mark A. Smith said, Republicans merely are following a maxim of politics: "When something works against you, you're better off not talking about it."
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To put it simply, what ammo will power their debate? Republicans say government has grown massively under Obama, but anyone who bothers to check will find it's shrunk by a half million. The government only employs a few million people. A half million (500,000) is a LOT of people.
One reason the unemployment figures are less than they could be is because a half million people who worked for the government are out of work. A half million. 500,000 people.
Over a hundred Republicans congressmen have taken stimulus money to create thousands of jobs. Will they still run on, "The stimulus didn't create a single job"?
Come on loony right wingers. What do you have to say? The truth is right there. What will they say during the debate.
Sidebar: Did anyone see Mitt during the debate with Anderson Cooper as moderator? Mitt whined in his most girlish voice, "Anderson, Rick won't let me talk". Can you imagine him in a debate with Obama? Seriously? The Obama who took down the entire Republican leadership at their own retreat?
who told you that Dean?.....Pat Robertson or the Texas Republican Party?......you have had countless numbers of "righties" in this forum tell you they dont follow the party line,and yet you keep saying they do.....i bet you have NEVER voted against anything the Democrats have proposed.....because if there is anyone here who tows the party line.....its YOU....you have been asked dozens of times to admit the Democrats have in the past and right now have fucked people over,yet you wont say they have......keep on towing that line Dean.....
Fucked people over? How? Make it good.
i love it when you prove me right.....thats why its so fun to ask you these Questions,because if you answer truthfully.....you will have to admit that your group is no better than the other group.....and holy shit if that should happen......keep towing the line Dean, your not fooling anybody.....well maybe Chris,Franco and Lakoota....but carry on, your doing whats expected of you.......your a good little soldier.....