ConHog
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an opinion substituting as fact is still an opinion.
2) It is not an opinion that the word marriage does not appear in the COTUS, it is a FACT. (1)it is not an opinon that our personal rights that are protected by the COTUS are enumerated within the COTUS, that is a fact.
3) One could make an argument that the government has the right to issue licenses, and that would be an opinion. My opinion is that because it is a fact that marriage is not mentioned in the COTUS that the government in fact has exceeded their authority by doing so. I am fine with debating whether that is true or not, but to argue that we have a constitutional right to marriage is silly.
1) The Constitution explicitly says to not do what you have done, "construed to deny or disparage" others rights not enumerated in the Constitution, but retained by the people.
2) didn't say that. please stop making up arguments. I'll bore too easily.
3) The Supreme Court of the US has said marriage is a fundamental right. Arguing that the state governments have no rights to issue licenses as you seem to be doing is not only silly, it approaches stupidity.
The states issue marriage licenses as it is not a duty given to the federal government. The states were issuing marriage licenses during the whole of US history, no?
1. The people is not the states, it is the people, meaning private citizens.
2. That was what I said originally to Syrenn when you responded with opinion. So of course it seemed that was what you were saying.
3. Again, fundamental right to marry=/= constitutional right to a government sanctioned marriage. There is no such right. Now if your argument is that the states don't have the right to prevent people from getting married, I agree. But states are not required by the COTUS to provide the mechanism for that marriage. A state could wholly and completely say "no we don't issue marriage licenses" and there is NOTHING in the COTUS to prevent them from doing so.
By the way, let me correct you on your history of marriage licenses in the US. As late as the 1920's only 38 states issued licenses and do you know why most of those states did so? So that they could dictate who could and could not get married ( IE inter racial marriages) prior to that common law marriage was pretty much the accepted way to marry, and in fact 11 states sill recognize common law marriages as being valid marriages , with the absence of ANY contract.
Marriage licence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Feel free to educate yourself if you're interested.
You have no constitutional right to a state recognized marriage. Sorry but it is that simple.