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Keep kicking the can to new arguements man. You aren't fooling anybodyThere are 6.2 million jobs open in the US as of June 2017... You were saying?No they aren't. We have plenty of open jobs and let in the same amount of immigrants every year as there are total dreamers. Your talking point is BSNo it wasn't... but the dreamers also are not hurting us. Look at their employment numbers. They contribute more to our society like all other hard working citizens
They are taking jobs that American citizens could be doing.
Tell that to all the STEM graduates who are sitting at home looking for a job. Tell that to all the carpenters, plumbers and electricians who are looking for work. The irrefutable fact is that every immigrant, whether legal or not, takes a job from an American.
Job Openings and Labor Turnover Summary
Meaningless. The fact is that wages have been going down for the 99% because foreigners who are willing to work for half the wage are flooding into this country. Anyone who denies that is simply a lying douche bag.
Now they aren't taking our jobs it's all about wages. Ok, I seeThere are 6.2 million jobs open in the US as of June 2017... You were saying?No they aren't. We have plenty of open jobs and let in the same amount of immigrants every year as there are total dreamers. Your talking point is BSNo it wasn't... but the dreamers also are not hurting us. Look at their employment numbers. They contribute more to our society like all other hard working citizens
They are taking jobs that American citizens could be doing.
Tell that to all the STEM graduates who are sitting at home looking for a job. Tell that to all the carpenters, plumbers and electricians who are looking for work. The irrefutable fact is that every immigrant, whether legal or not, takes a job from an American.
Job Openings and Labor Turnover Summary
There are millions of job openings even when unemployment is at 10%. The fact is that wages are down, and that's obviously because we import cheap labor from third world countries who will work for half the wage.
Yeah, there are plenty of jobs at half the wages Americans are used to getting. When employers get no takers at the wage they are offering, then they'll raise their offer.
You are right they will never allow it. But keep bitching if it makes you feel betterWe aren't deporting or starving out 10 million people. It just isn't going to happen no matter how loud you yell. You can be that dumbass making noise like jc456 or you can join the discussion and talk about real solutions"Immigration reform" is libspeak for "amnesty." That isn't going to happen. We don't need to reform our immigration laws. We just need to enforce them.The solution is with immigration reform and border security. Not punishing dreamers. You are focusing your energy in the wrong placeWe are talking about dreamers. They didn't have a choice in the matter
No they didn't, nor did we have a choice to let them in.
They were brought in by, then raised by criminals that, at any point could have admitted to the errors in their ways, left, sought legal entrance, then returned legally. They chose to leave their children in this position. NOT US.
This "blame the ugly American" crap is old and boring. Get over it unless you believe that we MUST LET PEOPLE GAME OUR SYSTEM AND GET AWAY WITH IT.
So stop this foolishness, or live by the principles you push, and if anyone breaks into YOU HOME be ready to give them legal residence.
It is EXACTLY what you ask your country to do, but not yourself.
Wake the hell up!
OBTW, have you noticed how many signs there are in the DACA support protests written in SPANISH!
Assimilation is not in those fold vocabulary
Deporting them all is a real solution, and it's the best solution. However, I know politicians will never allow that.
We're 240 years old, but didn't have a grip on Immigration until Dick-tater Obama implemented DACA. This is why Liberals need to take CA and Exit
I was less concerned with knowing the numbers and more focused on showing that you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about. I appreciate you making it so easy for me to prove my pointIm not playing word games. I talking about a discussion. I just posted how it got started and you've been back peddling for the past few pages. I'll post it again so your idiocracy can be shown. Tro claimed the Dems want the middle class tax payers to support 7 billion people. I told him to stop the hyperbole. You defended him by saying look no further than the paris climate accord. I asked how much the middle class tax payers were supposed to pay into the climate accord. You are too lazy to crunch a few numbers and give a real answer. You show that you were just talking out of your ass with no clue about the actual impact to middle class tax payers. Now go take a nap.I did not bring them up. Tro brought them up, i questioned, and you responded. You obviously were talking out of your ass and have no details to back up your claims. You can beat it now.Wonderful, how much does it cost the average middle class tax payer?
You tell me dumb ass, you're the one that brought them up. I ain't play'n your deflection game anymore.
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TROGLOCRATSRDUMB said:
There are 7 billion people on the planet and the Corrupt Democratic Party wants the middle class taxpayers to support them all.
SLADE said:
Which policy proposal from the left makes you say that? Back up that ridiculous statement or stop spreading the hyperboli.
OKTexas said:
You need look no farther than the Paris Climate Accord and the wealth redistribution schemes in it.
I was responding to you, no one else. Are you saying middle class tax money wouldn't have gone to the redistribution scheme? Of course they would, and since the money would have to be borrowed they'd be on the hook for the interest as well. Now take you petty word games and shove it.
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TROGLOCRATSRDUMB said:
There are 7 billion people on the planet and the Corrupt Democratic Party wants the middle class taxpayers to support them all.
SLADE said:
Which policy proposal from the left makes you say that? Back up that ridiculous statement or stop spreading the hyperbole.
OKTexas said:
You need look no farther than the Paris Climate Accord and the wealth redistribution schemes in it.
I told you I'm not your secretary, if you want numbers crunched do it yourself. All US taxpayers were put on the hook with your dear leaders executive agreement, he did it that way because he knew the senate would never approve it as a treaty. So suck it up cupcake, no matter what your dear leader said, we are not responsible for the rest of the world, if they want wealth they can create their own.
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Prove me wrongHahaha. You're joking, right? You think 23% of people's salaries go towards the 3 billion allotted to the Paris accord?!23% of their salaries.And how much is that?So how much of that is the average middle class tax payer paying for?Initially about 3 billion, but it would be an on going commitment.
'Slush Fund': Senator Slams State Dept. for $500M Payment to Green Climate Fund
Trump pulled back the down payment of 500 million.
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About the same as they would be on the hook for with business tax cuts.
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Easy, the median tax rate paid by American tax payers is 13% which produces approx $1.4 trillion in revenue. Your rediculous claim is saying that Americans pay double their actual tax rate to pay for a 3 billion dollar program. It is the dumbest thing I've heard in a while.Prove me wrongHahaha. You're joking, right? You think 23% of people's salaries go towards the 3 billion allotted to the Paris accord?!23% of their salaries.And how much is that?So how much of that is the average middle class tax payer paying for?
About the same as they would be on the hook for with business tax cuts.
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Neither do you communists who are trying to destroy it.These vile sick xenophobes do not represent our country.
We are already burdened enough with being World Police. Why do we have to be Mexico's welfare program?
Keep kicking the can to new arguements man. You aren't fooling anybodyThere are 6.2 million jobs open in the US as of June 2017... You were saying?No they aren't. We have plenty of open jobs and let in the same amount of immigrants every year as there are total dreamers. Your talking point is BSThey are taking jobs that American citizens could be doing.
Tell that to all the STEM graduates who are sitting at home looking for a job. Tell that to all the carpenters, plumbers and electricians who are looking for work. The irrefutable fact is that every immigrant, whether legal or not, takes a job from an American.
Job Openings and Labor Turnover Summary
Meaningless. The fact is that wages have been going down for the 99% because foreigners who are willing to work for half the wage are flooding into this country. Anyone who denies that is simply a lying douche bag.
It's the same thing, moron.Now they aren't taking our jobs it's all about wages. Ok, I seeThere are 6.2 million jobs open in the US as of June 2017... You were saying?No they aren't. We have plenty of open jobs and let in the same amount of immigrants every year as there are total dreamers. Your talking point is BSThey are taking jobs that American citizens could be doing.
Tell that to all the STEM graduates who are sitting at home looking for a job. Tell that to all the carpenters, plumbers and electricians who are looking for work. The irrefutable fact is that every immigrant, whether legal or not, takes a job from an American.
Job Openings and Labor Turnover Summary
There are millions of job openings even when unemployment is at 10%. The fact is that wages are down, and that's obviously because we import cheap labor from third world countries who will work for half the wage.
Yeah, there are plenty of jobs at half the wages Americans are used to getting. When employers get no takers at the wage they are offering, then they'll raise their offer.
How long did those facilities last before the students destroyed them?They should. Now you answer my questionWhy do tax paying Americans not have the same opportunitiesWhy do they not deserve the same opportunities as any of us?
and financial relief as any of them?We should, but we don't!They should. Now answer my question.
They deserve opportunities in their country!
Instead of illegally entering our country
they should be doing whatever is necessary
to bring about the change necessary in Mexico
for future generations to come.
Why must we pay for the opportunities
they are afforded, at our own expense?
I live in a 98% predominantly Hispanic neighborhood,
The city has built at least, 5 new, state of the art,
grammar schools and high schools, complete with
indoor pools, soccer fields, cafeteria's, air conditioning,
top notch computer labs, science labs, offering an array of
sports, marching bands, musical instruments...etc
every existing public school by my house,
had annexes added onto the surrounding free space
This was done to accommodate the explosion of
Hispanic children that flooded our city and the area.
This comes at a hefty cost,
a cost that they haven't had to contribute to.
We are strapped for cash as it is,
because of our corrupted politicians,
then add the burden of schooling, feeding,
providing medical care, dental care, braces,
eye glasses, for immigrants who feel
they are entitled to opportunities at the expense of others.
You know, all I can do at this point,
with everything that's going on,
is lift my arms to Heaven and say, Jesus come quickly!
I don't understand how people can not do basic math
The California Loon is not a bird. A California Loon spent millions giving poor children iPads for education. All them were promptly sold on the streets.
Well, TCL, I'm SO glad you ask!....How long did those facilities last before the students destroyed them?
The California Loon is not a bird. A California Loon spent millions giving poor children iPads for education. All them were promptly sold on the streets.
That plaque wasnt added until more than 25 years of the Statues unveiling and it sure as hell doesn't say "give me your 20 million strong illegal foreign invasion."
See, that's the problem right there ^Oh look, more people who are so insecure with their lives they need to lash out at some brown people.
How will this ruling improve the lives of anyone in here?
Hint: It won't.
We will seeWe aren't deporting or starving out 10 million people. It just isn't going to happen no matter how loud you yell. You can be that dumbass making noise like jc456 or you can join the discussion and talk about real solutions"Immigration reform" is libspeak for "amnesty." That isn't going to happen. We don't need to reform our immigration laws. We just need to enforce them.The solution is with immigration reform and border security. Not punishing dreamers. You are focusing your energy in the wrong placeWe are talking about dreamers. They didn't have a choice in the matterPretty simple really, just come legally.
No they didn't, nor did we have a choice to let them in.
They were brought in by, then raised by criminals that, at any point could have admitted to the errors in their ways, left, sought legal entrance, then returned legally. They chose to leave their children in this position. NOT US.
This "blame the ugly American" crap is old and boring. Get over it unless you believe that we MUST LET PEOPLE GAME OUR SYSTEM AND GET AWAY WITH IT.
So stop this foolishness, or live by the principles you push, and if anyone breaks into YOU HOME be ready to give them legal residence.
It is EXACTLY what you ask your country to do, but not yourself.
Wake the hell up!
OBTW, have you noticed how many signs there are in the DACA support protests written in SPANISH!
Assimilation is not in those fold vocabulary
See, that's the problem right there ^Oh look, more people who are so insecure with their lives they need to lash out at some brown people.
How will this ruling improve the lives of anyone in here?
Hint: It won't.
It has nothing to do with improving my life,...
that chance came and went long ago,
when politicians chose not to concern themselves with
enforcing our immigration laws and ignored the bigger picture
Like everything else these fucking morons do,
they do what's either, politically safe, financially beneficial, or
aligned with their party and worry about the consequences later
They don't consider the welfare of the Union, as a whole
or, what's in the best interest of our country, down the road,
it's about whose pulling the strings and not political suicide
so, they consider their base voters and how to stay in office
When the problem got worse, did they decide...
shit, time to worry and get a grip on the situation...
NOOOO, let's not enforce our laws and pass legislation
that would act as a deterrent for illegal immigration...
let's feed them, and give them healthcare, a place to live,
financial assistance, an education, pay for child care,
make children, born in the US, to illegal immigrants, auto citizens
disabilities, no problemo, we've got disability insurance for yo
You need it taken care of, we've got you covered...
trouble walking, we'll give ya a new set of hips,
heart valves need replacing, we got you...cross our heart
trouble seeing, well, let's get those cataracts removed
need an organ...hey, no sweat, we'll put you on the list
wrong gender,...hey, no worries, we'll take care of that too
You want it, we'll supply it...
wheelchairs, walkers, canes, mobility scooters,
pace makers, hearing aids, glasses, contacts,
braces, dentures, prescription medication,
oxygen tank, inhalers, dialysis treatments,
birth control, condoms, tubes tied, abortion,
school supplies, we'll waive school fees,
food for the house, PLUS, we'll feed your kids,
breakfast, lunch and after school snacks, at school...
And, listen...don't concern yourself with learning English,
we'll provide the Spanish translation of everything for you,
to make your criminally, free stay here, more easier...
that includes Spanish speaking teachers in the schools,
so children can understand what is being taught,
which provides them a better opportunity to succeed later
Now, for the best part...all this and more, is available to you,
for the low, low, price of..... FREE, YEP FREE...for you and yours
Its gonna cost everyone else....
program budget cuts for our elderly, veterans, disabled, mentally Ill,
or, shit, we can eliminate programs too, drive up health insurance premiums
and health care costs, taxes, we'll scale back on infrastructure and military upgrades,
we'll increase class sizes in other schools and reduce that funding, we'll make other people
buy health insurance, raise SS age, makes seniors shell out more money, raise property taxes,
increase payroll taxes, let damns and levys deteriorate a little longer, they won't care...
Like I stated when I began this post...
This has nothing to do with improving my life...
It has absolutely, everything to do with, improving, not only,
the lives of my children, and the offspring of family and friends
and their eventual families but, for all within their future generations
And, that starts by assembling a clean up crew
and begin cleaning up this massive, fucking, mess of a country
instead of allowing more shit on the pile, then passing the buck
It's time to get back to basics, common sense and standards
It's time to retire this political establishment body
Eat or be eaten...stay strong, fight back
Putting hard work and sacrifice,
ahead of entitlement mentality and bleeding hearts.
Where everyone is entitled to work hard and sacrifice
or be left to the fruit of their labor and alone with their excuses
That starts by putting the brakes on rewarding irresponsibility
and allow people the consequences of their choices
That starts by no longer providing illegal immigrants
assistance of any kind, in any way, shape or form.
Whether you are apprehended,
trying to illegally enter this country
or apprehended and illegally within our borders...
you will immediately be placed under arrest and begin serving
a mandatory, 10 yr sentence, in an undisclosed location
Free rides, will no longer take a front seat
at the expense of, the hard work of others.
Its those who bust their ass, to pay their bills
and raise the children they had, who deserve the break...
NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!
Hint: It'll work
You asked, How will this ruling
improve the lives of anyone in here?
My turn...How will this ruling
improve the lives of everyone over there?
Hint: It will!
See, that's the problem right there ^Oh look, more people who are so insecure with their lives they need to lash out at some brown people.
How will this ruling improve the lives of anyone in here?
Hint: It won't.
It has nothing to do with improving my life,...
that chance came and went long ago,
when politicians chose not to concern themselves with
enforcing our immigration laws and ignored the bigger picture
Like everything else these fucking morons do,
they do what's either, politically safe, financially beneficial, or
aligned with their party and worry about the consequences later
They don't consider the welfare of the Union, as a whole
or, what's in the best interest of our country, down the road,
it's about whose pulling the strings and not political suicide
so, they consider their base voters and how to stay in office
When the problem got worse, did they decide...
shit, time to worry and get a grip on the situation...
NOOOO, let's not enforce our laws and pass legislation
that would act as a deterrent for illegal immigration...
let's feed them, and give them healthcare, a place to live,
financial assistance, an education, pay for child care,
make children, born in the US, to illegal immigrants, auto citizens
disabilities, no problemo, we've got disability insurance for yo
You need it taken care of, we've got you covered...
trouble walking, we'll give ya a new set of hips,
heart valves need replacing, we got you...cross our heart
trouble seeing, well, let's get those cataracts removed
need an organ...hey, no sweat, we'll put you on the list
wrong gender,...hey, no worries, we'll take care of that too
You want it, we'll supply it...
wheelchairs, walkers, canes, mobility scooters,
pace makers, hearing aids, glasses, contacts,
braces, dentures, prescription medication,
oxygen tank, inhalers, dialysis treatments,
birth control, condoms, tubes tied, abortion,
school supplies, we'll waive school fees,
food for the house, PLUS, we'll feed your kids,
breakfast, lunch and after school snacks, at school...
And, listen...don't concern yourself with learning English,
we'll provide the Spanish translation of everything for you,
to make your criminally, free stay here, more easier...
that includes Spanish speaking teachers in the schools,
so children can understand what is being taught,
which provides them a better opportunity to succeed later
Now, for the best part...all this and more, is available to you,
for the low, low, price of..... FREE, YEP FREE...for you and yours
Its gonna cost everyone else....
program budget cuts for our elderly, veterans, disabled, mentally Ill,
or, shit, we can eliminate programs too, drive up health insurance premiums
and health care costs, taxes, we'll scale back on infrastructure and military upgrades,
we'll increase class sizes in other schools and reduce that funding, we'll make other people
buy health insurance, raise SS age, makes seniors shell out more money, raise property taxes,
increase payroll taxes, let damns and levys deteriorate a little longer, they won't care...
Like I stated when I began this post...
This has nothing to do with improving my life...
It has absolutely, everything to do with, improving, not only,
the lives of my children, and the offspring of family and friends
and their eventual families but, for all within their future generations
And, that starts by assembling a clean up crew
and begin cleaning up this massive, fucking, mess of a country
instead of allowing more shit on the pile, then passing the buck
It's time to get back to basics, common sense and standards
It's time to retire this political establishment body
Eat or be eaten...stay strong, fight back
Putting hard work and sacrifice,
ahead of entitlement mentality and bleeding hearts.
Where everyone is entitled to work hard and sacrifice
or be left to the fruit of their labor and alone with their excuses
That starts by putting the brakes on rewarding irresponsibility
and allow people the consequences of their choices
That starts by no longer providing illegal immigrants
assistance of any kind, in any way, shape or form.
Whether you are apprehended,
trying to illegally enter this country
or apprehended and illegally within our borders...
you will immediately be placed under arrest and begin serving
a mandatory, 10 yr sentence, in an undisclosed location
Free rides, will no longer take a front seat
at the expense of, the hard work of others.
Its those who bust their ass, to pay their bills
and raise the children they had, who deserve the break...
NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!
Hint: It'll work
You asked, How will this ruling
improve the lives of anyone in here?
My turn...How will this ruling
improve the lives of everyone over there?
Hint: It will!
