Democrats Encourage Foreign Influence....

[Dim Bulb]

....and unofficial 'foreign aid.'


To be clear, this means how non-Americans influence our political determinations.....and how much they cost our nation.

1. No, it wasn't Russia that had the greatest effect on our recent election....it was the millions of illegal aliens from Mexico, who saw their residence here threatened.
2. And the foreign aid at issue was not that authorized by our government.



3. How's this for 'unofficial foreign aid'?
"Mexico's Remittances Reach Almost $27 Billion
Mexicans living abroad sent home almost $27 billion in 2016, the highest yearly figure on record, the central bank reported on Wednesday.
The remittances rose 8.8 percent, from $24.78 billion in 2015 to 26.97 billion last year.
The central bank said almost all the money was sent to Mexico by electronic transfers,....
Remittances have become Mexico's most important source of foreign income after auto exports of almost $34 billion per year. Remittances have far surpassed the $15.6 billion Mexico earns from oil exports and the $17.5 billion in tourism income Mexico received in 2015." Mexico's Remittances Reach Almost $27 Billion


That's $27 billion taken out of the American economy, and not used to recompense American workers. Who's responsible for this? Whoever encourages illegal aliens.....Democrats. And every Democrat voter.


4. As President Trump has correctly stated, illegal aliens residing in America nearly threw the presidential election to Bill's wife.
Their motive would be
a. to continue living in America, the central theme of the election...and...
b. the instructions by the snake, Obama, to go and vote- illegally- and his promise that no investigation would follow.
Yes...he actually said that.



5. Those trained to accept...unthinkingly....the Democrat's talking points, object to the suggestion that enough of the illegals could have voted to give Bill's wife the popular vote victory.

But central to that question is the number of illegals in America.
How many are there?
Enough to influence the popular vote????


You betcha'!!!

Coming right up.

Not disputing your belief in your argument, but would it be impolite to point out that the premise of your argument is flawed? It isn't just Democrats who want cheap labor in the states and who don't care where that cheap labor sends their money.

"...but would it be impolite to point out that the premise of your argument is flawed?"
Not at all.
Conservatives never shy away from debate, and I am never unable to support my views.



As far as some Republicans interest in keeping borders open...no disagreement.
But I function by the great Ronald Reagan's view: "bold colors, not pale pastels."



The thread is open to any Liberals, Democrats, socialists, one-worlders, etc, who would like to argue that open borders is as dominant a plan among Republicans as Democrats.

This, from the GOP platform: "Our highest priority, therefore, must be to secure our borders and all ports of entry and to enforce our immigration laws."
Government Reform | GOP



Have you noticed how weak, the Liberals in the thread, are?

Fair answer. Sounds like we disagree on the premise, which as you point out is fine. I however don't name call so I won't answer your questions about "liberals" because it really isn't a question, is it? It seems more of an opportunity to indulge in "us v. them - ism", I don't see how that sort of personal attack makes America great again. Indeed, quite the opposite. We are all Americans and we all deserve respect. Like Ronald Reagan said, "We can disagree [with our opponents] without being disagreeable."

There's really no competition.

How's this for a plan: I'll do things my way, you do them your way.

Fair enough. I am basically just pointing out that I think that some of the more nonsensical utterances from the WhiteHouse actually make no sense in making progress towards making America great again. And worse, they distract from some very real gains in policy we can make.

Thanks for the welcome to the Board.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Democrats had planned on strategically placing refugees in red states to ensure the electoral vote as well. That's why they're do mad.
If Dems cared about the Syrian people, Obama would have followed through when the red line was crossed.

"If Dems cared about the Syrian people, Obama would have followed through when the red line was crossed."


How about we have Middle East nations set up safe zones for these refugees....in the Middle East!
....Trump is doing that:

"The King of Saudi Arabia and the Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi agreed with President Donald Trump’s request to support safe zones for refugees in the Middle East, the White House announced Sunday.

A White House readout of the call between President Trump and Saudi Arabian King Salman bin Abd Al-Aziz Al Saud said that the King agreed to “support safe zones in Syria and Yemen, as well as supporting other ideas to help the many refugees who are displaced by the ongoing conflicts.”Gulf Leaders Agree To Trump’s Request To Set Up ‘Safe Zones’





Further, one should be suspicious of Obama's personal motives...
One needs to question why there is only one 'religion' that Barack Hussein Obama has stood up for, shielded from criticism, defended and advanced.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Mexicans living abroad sent home almost $27 billion in 2016, the highest yearly figure on record, the central bank reported on Wednesday.

You're saying people aren't allowed to do what they want with the money THEY earned?

Only if it's earned legally. Drug dealers "earned" theirs too. Any money earned by illegals here is not legally earned. Any and all funds or property used in illegal drugs are subject to governmental confiscation. Wanna bet that some of that money being wired back to Mexico is earned illegally?

Who's paying them? Are they criminals as well?
Write your republican Congress member and ask them why they have continually refused to go after those who employ "illegals".

 

[Dim Bulb]

Mexicans living abroad sent home almost $27 billion in 2016, the highest yearly figure on record, the central bank reported on Wednesday.

You're saying people aren't allowed to do what they want with the money THEY earned?

Only if it's earned legally. Drug dealers "earned" theirs too. Any money earned by illegals here is not legally earned. Any and all funds or property used in illegal drugs are subject to governmental confiscation. Wanna bet that some of that money being wired back to Mexico is earned illegally?

Who's paying them? Are they criminals as well?
Write your republican Congress member and ask them why they have continually refused to go after those who employ "illegals".

I've always felt that if you really want to solve immigration you don't need to build a wall. Just fine any company who hires an illegal $1 million per occurrence. You'll raise money and stop immigration dead. And won't have to pay for a stupid wall.

 

[BluesLegend]

How many times did Obama praise a foreign country while bashing the USA and telling us how we should be more like the foreign country?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Mexicans living abroad sent home almost $27 billion in 2016, the highest yearly figure on record, the central bank reported on Wednesday.

You're saying people aren't allowed to do what they want with the money THEY earned?

Only if it's earned legally. Drug dealers "earned" theirs too. Any money earned by illegals here is not legally earned. Any and all funds or property used in illegal drugs are subject to governmental confiscation. Wanna bet that some of that money being wired back to Mexico is earned illegally?

Who's paying them? Are they criminals as well?
Write your republican Congress member and ask them why they have continually refused to go after those who employ "illegals".

I've always felt that if you really want to solve immigration you don't need to build a wall. Just fine any company who hires an illegal $1 million per occurrence. You'll raise money and stop immigration dead. And won't have to pay for a stupid wall.

Well, it certainly stands to reason that if they were not able to work here easily that many would not choose to undertake the risky journey.

Ask republican lawmakers why they've been consistently hesitant to target those who employ them.

 

[PoliticalChic]

10.So....what is the number of illegal aliens in the country?

...recognize that if it is a large number, it would account for the so-called 'popular vote victory' for Bill's wife.



"Well, professional and institutional reputations are invested heavily in the number, perhaps because with its longevity the public has become comfortable or apathetic. Were it 20 million or more–a larger population than New York state–Americans might be getting really angry.
Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, ...supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?



Soooo....let's see what the establishment says it is....

11. " The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 million a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.


Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.


He concludes that:
My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended.

My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports. Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States.

Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States." How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research




So....using logic, experience, and mathematics.....about 40 million illegal aliens reside here.....

..and if 10-15% followed Obama's instructions and voted.....

Trump won the popular vote as well as the electoral college.

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. And.....let's get one more thing straight: Illegal aliens today are not the same as those who entered the United States prior to 1914.


Before that year, borders were open and immigrants of all types were welcomes and accepted. Why? Because prior to that time is was opportunity to work, be successful, and be American that were the attractions.
Welfare changed all of that.



"Milton Friedman had the following to say about immigration:
“I have always been amused by kind of a paradox. Suppose you go around and ask people: ‘The United States, as you know, before 1914 had completely free immigration. Anybody could get on a boat and come to these shores. If you landed on Ellis Island, it was an immigrant. Was that a good thing or a bad thing?’ You will find hardly a soul who will say it was a bad thing. Almost everybody will say it was a good thing.

“But then, suppose I say to the same people: ‘But now, what about today? Do you think we should have free immigration?’

There is a sense in which free immigration, in the same sense in which we had it before 1914, is not possible today.
“Why not? Because it is one thing to have free immigration to jobs. It is another thing to have free immigration to welfare.”
Levin on Milton Friedman: 'One Thing to Have Free Immigration to Jobs, Another for Welfare'



Milton Friedman was for illegal immigration.
"Friedman's considered view is that free migration without a welfare state is first best. Welfare for all legal residents makes first-best free migration impossible. In that case, a high rate of illegal immigration is the second-best solution." Milton Friedman's Argument for Illegal Immigration
Sooo....either open borders but no welfare in the country....or control of our borders but no welfare in the country. Interesting economic choice?


Of course...Friedman never expected the Obama type in power, a corrupt individual who did not have the best interests of America at heart.
Contrary to Milton Friedman's insights......Obama made certain that illegal immigrants get welfare.

Bankrupt the nation, and get illegal votes for Democrats.
The Left's win-win.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Keeping Americans dumb.....the plan of the media.
Case in point.....in today's LATimes, we find the Leftist press still pushing the lie that illegal immigrants number only about 11 million.




"Trump's orders instruct officers to deport not only those convicted of crimes, but also those who aren’t charged but are believed to have committed "acts that constitute a chargeable criminal offense."

That category applies to the 6 million people believed to have entered the U.S. without passing through an official border crossing. The rest of the 11.1 million people in the country illegally, according to a study by the Pew Research Center, are believed to have entered on a valid visa and stayed past its expiration date."
Not just 'bad hombres': Trump is targeting up to 8 million people for deportation


In actuality....

"... the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States." How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research

[See post #27 above for full account.]


So....using logic, experience, and mathematics.....about 40 million illegal aliens reside here.....

..and if 10-15% followed Obama's instructions and voted.....

Trump won the popular vote as well as the electoral college.

 

[Picaro]

Mexicans living abroad sent home almost $27 billion in 2016, the highest yearly figure on record, the central bank reported on Wednesday.

You're saying people aren't allowed to do what they want with the money THEY earned?

Only if it's earned legally. Drug dealers "earned" theirs too. Any money earned by illegals here is not legally earned. Any and all funds or property used in illegal drugs are subject to governmental confiscation. Wanna bet that some of that money being wired back to Mexico is earned illegally?

It's earned through honest work. If they are illegally employed the onus is on the employer hiring them. The work itself is not an illegal trade like drugs.

Yes, it is indeed a crime for the criminal illegal aliens to work here. You're being ridiculous. They are serial criminals from the first second they set foot across the border. Everything they do is a criminal act from then on.

 

[Picaro]

Not disputing your belief in your argument, but would it be impolite to point out that the premise of your argument is flawed? It isn't just Democrats who want cheap labor in the states and who don't care where that cheap labor sends their money.

Yes. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce loves them, as does Paul Ryan and the rest of the GOP establishment.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Mexicans living abroad sent home almost $27 billion in 2016, the highest yearly figure on record, the central bank reported on Wednesday.

You're saying people aren't allowed to do what they want with the money THEY earned?

Only if it's earned legally. Drug dealers "earned" theirs too. Any money earned by illegals here is not legally earned. Any and all funds or property used in illegal drugs are subject to governmental confiscation. Wanna bet that some of that money being wired back to Mexico is earned illegally?

It's earned through honest work. If they are illegally employed the onus is on the employer hiring them. The work itself is not an illegal trade like drugs.

Yes, it is indeed a crime for the criminal illegal aliens to work here. You're being ridiculous. They are serial criminals from the first second they set foot across the border. Everything they do is a criminal act from then on.

Of course.

"Illegal Immigrants Accounted for Nearly 37 Percent of Federal Sentences in FY 2014"
Illegal Immigrants Accounted for Nearly 37 Percent of Federal Sentences in FY 2014 - Breitbart




Amazing how many of the Democrat voters have been persuaded to never....never....do their own thinking.
They will simply parrot the party line....as the poster to whom you addressed the post does.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Also in today's LATimes article, this about the Trump plan:


"An additional executive order under consideration would block entry to anyone the U.S. believes may use benefit programs such as Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program, ....

The changes reflect an effort to deter illegal migration by increasing the threat of deportation and cutting off access to social services and work opportunities, ..."
Not just 'bad hombres': Trump is targeting up to 8 million people for deportation


Sounds like Trump has read Milton Friedman:

Milton Friedman was for illegal immigration.
"Friedman's considered view is that free migration without a welfare state is first best. Welfare for all legal residents makes first-best free migration impossible. In that case, a high rate of illegal immigration is the second-best solution." Milton Friedman's Argument for Illegal Immigration


Sooo....either open borders but no welfare in the country....or control of our borders but no welfare in the country. Interesting economic choice?

 

[Picaro]

An example of just how this disenfranchises all Americans is California relying on criminal illegal immigration to keep its grossly over-sized Congressional delegation, which would smaller by at least 10-12 seats without them.

 

[easyt65]

Hillary's team worked with Ukraine to write up a report (a false one) on / against Trump during the election...snowflakes raise cain about Russian interference, yet nothing about Hillary welcoming Ukrainian interference.