Democrats: What would the politics be behind a Gorsuch filibuster?

Garland was right of center, and any prick who says he was not remains a prick forever. :lol:


What's your definition of "right of center"? Garland was pro-abort, a hard core gun control-freak and was radically pro-Gay Marriage.

Doesn't sound "right of center" by any American standards.
 
So is the filibuster on or not? Any updates?


who cares, Gorsuch will be confirmed. If the dems filibuster, they only make themselves look more stupid than they already do. So go for it, dems.
They already did.

You repeating this old, and already known fact from days ago only illustrates how butthurt you are over their move. Deal with it snowflake.


Can someone explain the partisan calculus behind this?

The GOP is going to Reid-Rule him in, and if Trump can pick another justice, they'll do it again.

I'm assuming, then, this is just for perceived political advantage for use during individual 2018 races?
.

A line in the sand. McConnell will cross it, and the Senate will be changed forever. The Nuclear Action is an attack on democracy itself, and one more nail in the coffin following the conservative plan to create a Plutocracy in America.

This statement ^^^ will be too abstract for most of Trump's supporters, and for those who actually believe conservatives and Republicans can actually govern, and will morally and honestly represent all of our citizens.

They will not, it is not in their best interests, and as everyone knows but few admit, a member of Congress' first priority is their own job, not yours.
Can someone explain the partisan calculus behind this?

The GOP is going to Reid-Rule him in, and if Trump can pick another justice, they'll do it again.

I'm assuming, then, this is just for perceived political advantage for use during individual 2018 races?
.

A line in the sand. McConnell will cross it, and the Senate will be changed forever. The Nuclear Action is an attack on democracy itself, and one more nail in the coffin following the conservative plan to create a Plutocracy in America.

This statement ^^^ will be too abstract for most of Trump's supporters, and for those who actually believe conservatives and Republicans can actually govern, and will morally and honestly represent all of our citizens.

They will not, it is not in their best interests, and as everyone knows but few admit, a member of Congress' first priority is their own job, not yours.

Once again, Republicans obliterate a line in the sand because it is in their best interests

Filibuster used to be a tool of last resort for critical decisions. Under Obama, Republicans applied it to every piece of legislation and every judicial appointment

A President has always been allowed to make appointments during his term. Republicans decided that if an appointment would flip the court, they would delay it till the next President

A Filibuster used to mean go back and try again. Now Republicans are eliminating all filibusters for SCOTUS judges

There is no going back


Reid and the dems started it when they rammed ACA through on dem only votes with no open discussion, debate, or amendments. Now those chickens are coming home to roost.

as obozo the great Kenyan messiah once said "elections have consequences" deal with it snowflake.

McConnell and the GOP started it when they decided in Nov 2008 to make sure Obama was a one term president. Even under the economic crisis we experienced in during his first years in office, and thereafter, the Republican's under the leadership of McConnell put party and ideology first, not the good of the nation.

An indisputable fact is that the GOP, and McConnell in spades, support the moneyed class and their self interests, not the needs of the many.
 
So is the filibuster on or not? Any updates?


who cares, Gorsuch will be confirmed. If the dems filibuster, they only make themselves look more stupid than they already do. So go for it, dems.
They already did.

You repeating this old, and already known fact from days ago only illustrates how butthurt you are over their move. Deal with it snowflake.


Can someone explain the partisan calculus behind this?

The GOP is going to Reid-Rule him in, and if Trump can pick another justice, they'll do it again.

I'm assuming, then, this is just for perceived political advantage for use during individual 2018 races?
.

A line in the sand. McConnell will cross it, and the Senate will be changed forever. The Nuclear Action is an attack on democracy itself, and one more nail in the coffin following the conservative plan to create a Plutocracy in America.

This statement ^^^ will be too abstract for most of Trump's supporters, and for those who actually believe conservatives and Republicans can actually govern, and will morally and honestly represent all of our citizens.

They will not, it is not in their best interests, and as everyone knows but few admit, a member of Congress' first priority is their own job, not yours.
Can someone explain the partisan calculus behind this?

The GOP is going to Reid-Rule him in, and if Trump can pick another justice, they'll do it again.

I'm assuming, then, this is just for perceived political advantage for use during individual 2018 races?
.

A line in the sand. McConnell will cross it, and the Senate will be changed forever. The Nuclear Action is an attack on democracy itself, and one more nail in the coffin following the conservative plan to create a Plutocracy in America.

This statement ^^^ will be too abstract for most of Trump's supporters, and for those who actually believe conservatives and Republicans can actually govern, and will morally and honestly represent all of our citizens.

They will not, it is not in their best interests, and as everyone knows but few admit, a member of Congress' first priority is their own job, not yours.

Once again, Republicans obliterate a line in the sand because it is in their best interests

Filibuster used to be a tool of last resort for critical decisions. Under Obama, Republicans applied it to every piece of legislation and every judicial appointment

A President has always been allowed to make appointments during his term. Republicans decided that if an appointment would flip the court, they would delay it till the next President

A Filibuster used to mean go back and try again. Now Republicans are eliminating all filibusters for SCOTUS judges

There is no going back


Reid and the dems started it when they rammed ACA through on dem only votes with no open discussion, debate, or amendments. Now those chickens are coming home to roost.

as obozo the great Kenyan messiah once said "elections have consequences" deal with it snowflake.

Obamacare passed with over 60% of the vote
It was refined and debated for over a year....nothing was rammed through


ACA passed with dem votes only, not one republican voted for it. It was brought to a vote by Reid using the nuclear option. No discussion or floor debate of the bill that was passed was allowed by Reid or Pelosi. no amendments were allowed. It was rammed through.

There is no Constitutional requirement for either Democratic or Republican votes. The Constitution does not even mention parties only states. Over 60% of the state representatives voted for Obamacare....only 50% is needed

Obamamacare had many, many amendments and there was months of discussion

Trumpcare was the one that was trying to be quickly forced for a vote, that is why it failed
 
because we KNOW that none of the nominees were declined an open hearing since it became normalized in 1955.

Until last year.

Concession accepted.

It was, in fact, unprecedented.

P.S. Do you think that you can one day perhaps learn how to use QUOTE tags? You are 28,000 posts into this, it's time.
I've never been able to figure out quote tags either. You want to give me a lesson?

Personally, I don't like the way they look

I prefer just to copy and paste in italics
 
Stop moving goal posts, we are talking about refusal of open hearing, not EVEN vote.


There wasn't a chance in hell that a radical like Mr. Garland was going to be confirmed. But just because the gentleman is a radical, doesn't mean his time shouldn't be respected. Asking him to testify at a pointless hearing would have shown a lot of disrespect.
Garland was right of center, and any prick who says he was not remains a prick forever. :lol:


he would not have gotten 51 votes. hearings and a vote would have been a waste of time and money. as to "prick forever" you already captured that title long ago.

In that case, President Obama still had time to submit another candidate over an eight month period

Republicans refused to even have a hearing


then why didn't Obama submit Gorsuch?

what you cannot seem to deal with is that the party in power controls what comes up for vote. Reid sat on over 300 house passed bills and there was no outcry from the likes of you. more partisan hypocrisy

Republicans intentionally left a Supreme Court seat vacant for over a year
It was an abuse by the party in power and will forever change how Supreme Court Justices get chosen

I hope it was worth it
 
Garland was right of center, and any prick who says he was not remains a prick forever. :lol:


What's your definition of "right of center"? Garland was pro-abort, a hard core gun control-freak and was radically pro-Gay Marriage.

Doesn't sound "right of center" by any American standards.

Your opinion seems to lack evidence of all three of these issues.

Both the chief justice and the new nominee claim that Roe is settled law. We will see if the new guy is a liar once the nuclear option has been employed; "hard core gun control" is not defined, even Scalia put limits on who should have custody and control of a gun (read Heller); what was is radical about gay marriage is the fact that the government had no business outlawing a contract of marriage based on bigotry, and ignored equal rights for all citizens.
 
There wasn't a chance in hell that a radical like Mr. Garland was going to be confirmed. But just because the gentleman is a radical, doesn't mean his time shouldn't be respected. Asking him to testify at a pointless hearing would have shown a lot of disrespect.
Garland was right of center, and any prick who says he was not remains a prick forever. :lol:


he would not have gotten 51 votes. hearings and a vote would have been a waste of time and money. as to "prick forever" you already captured that title long ago.

In that case, President Obama still had time to submit another candidate over an eight month period

Republicans refused to even have a hearing


then why didn't Obama submit Gorsuch?

what you cannot seem to deal with is that the party in power controls what comes up for vote. Reid sat on over 300 house passed bills and there was no outcry from the likes of you. more partisan hypocrisy

Republicans intentionally left a Supreme Court seat vacant for over a year
It was an abuse by the party in power and will forever change how Supreme Court Justices get chosen

I hope it was worth it

keeping the court from leaning too far left was well worth it.

was using the nuclear option on obamacare and setting that precedent worth it to you libs?
 
Garland was right of center, and any prick who says he was not remains a prick forever. :lol:


What's your definition of "right of center"? Garland was pro-abort, a hard core gun control-freak and was radically pro-Gay Marriage.

Doesn't sound "right of center" by any American standards.

Your opinion seems to lack evidence of all three of these issues.

Both the chief justice and the new nominee claim that Roe is settled law. We will see if the new guy is a liar once the nuclear option has been employed; "hard core gun control" is not defined, even Scalia put limits on who should have custody and control of a gun (read Heller); what was is radical about gay marriage is the fact that the government had no business outlawing a contract of marriage based on bigotry, and ignored equal rights for all citizens.


believing that marriage should only occur between a biological male and a biological female is not bigotry. Its biology, science, history, anatomy, and common sense.
 
Garland was right of center, and any prick who says he was not remains a prick forever. :lol:


he would not have gotten 51 votes. hearings and a vote would have been a waste of time and money. as to "prick forever" you already captured that title long ago.

In that case, President Obama still had time to submit another candidate over an eight month period

Republicans refused to even have a hearing


then why didn't Obama submit Gorsuch?

what you cannot seem to deal with is that the party in power controls what comes up for vote. Reid sat on over 300 house passed bills and there was no outcry from the likes of you. more partisan hypocrisy

Republicans intentionally left a Supreme Court seat vacant for over a year
It was an abuse by the party in power and will forever change how Supreme Court Justices get chosen

I hope it was worth it

keeping the court from leaning too far left was well worth it.

was using the nuclear option on obamacare and setting that precedent worth it to you libs?

As whiney as many of these libs get, I'm sure they feel it was worth it, regardless of cost. Better yet, regardless of what it cost others.
 
who cares, Gorsuch will be confirmed. If the dems filibuster, they only make themselves look more stupid than they already do. So go for it, dems.
They already did.

You repeating this old, and already known fact from days ago only illustrates how butthurt you are over their move. Deal with it snowflake.


Can someone explain the partisan calculus behind this?

The GOP is going to Reid-Rule him in, and if Trump can pick another justice, they'll do it again.

I'm assuming, then, this is just for perceived political advantage for use during individual 2018 races?
.

A line in the sand. McConnell will cross it, and the Senate will be changed forever. The Nuclear Action is an attack on democracy itself, and one more nail in the coffin following the conservative plan to create a Plutocracy in America.

This statement ^^^ will be too abstract for most of Trump's supporters, and for those who actually believe conservatives and Republicans can actually govern, and will morally and honestly represent all of our citizens.

They will not, it is not in their best interests, and as everyone knows but few admit, a member of Congress' first priority is their own job, not yours.
A line in the sand. McConnell will cross it, and the Senate will be changed forever. The Nuclear Action is an attack on democracy itself, and one more nail in the coffin following the conservative plan to create a Plutocracy in America.

This statement ^^^ will be too abstract for most of Trump's supporters, and for those who actually believe conservatives and Republicans can actually govern, and will morally and honestly represent all of our citizens.

They will not, it is not in their best interests, and as everyone knows but few admit, a member of Congress' first priority is their own job, not yours.

Once again, Republicans obliterate a line in the sand because it is in their best interests

Filibuster used to be a tool of last resort for critical decisions. Under Obama, Republicans applied it to every piece of legislation and every judicial appointment

A President has always been allowed to make appointments during his term. Republicans decided that if an appointment would flip the court, they would delay it till the next President

A Filibuster used to mean go back and try again. Now Republicans are eliminating all filibusters for SCOTUS judges

There is no going back


Reid and the dems started it when they rammed ACA through on dem only votes with no open discussion, debate, or amendments. Now those chickens are coming home to roost.

as obozo the great Kenyan messiah once said "elections have consequences" deal with it snowflake.

Obamacare passed with over 60% of the vote
It was refined and debated for over a year....nothing was rammed through


ACA passed with dem votes only, not one republican voted for it. It was brought to a vote by Reid using the nuclear option. No discussion or floor debate of the bill that was passed was allowed by Reid or Pelosi. no amendments were allowed. It was rammed through.

There is no Constitutional requirement for either Democratic or Republican votes. The Constitution does not even mention parties only states. Over 60% of the state representatives voted for Obamacare....only 50% is needed

Obamamacare had many, many amendments and there was months of discussion

Trumpcare was the one that was trying to be quickly forced for a vote, that is why it failed


it is true that the topic of healthcare was discussed for months and years. What is also true is that the bill that was passed PPACA, did not have any discussion, floor debate in either house, and no amendments were allowed in either house by Pelosi and reid.

PPACA was written in a locked room by dem staffers and passed by dem votes only using reconciliation procedures which had never been used for something of that magnitude.

you dems started it and now its biting you in the ass. Tough shit.
 
So is the filibuster on or not? Any updates?


who cares, Gorsuch will be confirmed. If the dems filibuster, they only make themselves look more stupid than they already do. So go for it, dems.
They already did.

You repeating this old, and already known fact from days ago only illustrates how butthurt you are over their move. Deal with it snowflake.


Can someone explain the partisan calculus behind this?

The GOP is going to Reid-Rule him in, and if Trump can pick another justice, they'll do it again.

I'm assuming, then, this is just for perceived political advantage for use during individual 2018 races?
.

A line in the sand. McConnell will cross it, and the Senate will be changed forever. The Nuclear Action is an attack on democracy itself, and one more nail in the coffin following the conservative plan to create a Plutocracy in America.

This statement ^^^ will be too abstract for most of Trump's supporters, and for those who actually believe conservatives and Republicans can actually govern, and will morally and honestly represent all of our citizens.

They will not, it is not in their best interests, and as everyone knows but few admit, a member of Congress' first priority is their own job, not yours.
Can someone explain the partisan calculus behind this?

The GOP is going to Reid-Rule him in, and if Trump can pick another justice, they'll do it again.

I'm assuming, then, this is just for perceived political advantage for use during individual 2018 races?
.

A line in the sand. McConnell will cross it, and the Senate will be changed forever. The Nuclear Action is an attack on democracy itself, and one more nail in the coffin following the conservative plan to create a Plutocracy in America.

This statement ^^^ will be too abstract for most of Trump's supporters, and for those who actually believe conservatives and Republicans can actually govern, and will morally and honestly represent all of our citizens.

They will not, it is not in their best interests, and as everyone knows but few admit, a member of Congress' first priority is their own job, not yours.

Once again, Republicans obliterate a line in the sand because it is in their best interests

Filibuster used to be a tool of last resort for critical decisions. Under Obama, Republicans applied it to every piece of legislation and every judicial appointment

A President has always been allowed to make appointments during his term. Republicans decided that if an appointment would flip the court, they would delay it till the next President

A Filibuster used to mean go back and try again. Now Republicans are eliminating all filibusters for SCOTUS judges

There is no going back


Reid and the dems started it when they rammed ACA through on dem only votes with no open discussion, debate, or amendments. Now those chickens are coming home to roost.

as obozo the great Kenyan messiah once said "elections have consequences" deal with it snowflake.

Obamacare passed with over 60% of the vote
It was refined and debated for over a year....nothing was rammed through


ACA passed with dem votes only, not one republican voted for it. It was brought to a vote by Reid using the nuclear option. No discussion or floor debate of the bill that was passed was allowed by Reid or Pelosi. no amendments were allowed. It was rammed through.

Republicans would rather people die by the roadside as long as they can have their tax cuts.
 
They already did.

You repeating this old, and already known fact from days ago only illustrates how butthurt you are over their move. Deal with it snowflake.


A line in the sand. McConnell will cross it, and the Senate will be changed forever. The Nuclear Action is an attack on democracy itself, and one more nail in the coffin following the conservative plan to create a Plutocracy in America.

This statement ^^^ will be too abstract for most of Trump's supporters, and for those who actually believe conservatives and Republicans can actually govern, and will morally and honestly represent all of our citizens.

They will not, it is not in their best interests, and as everyone knows but few admit, a member of Congress' first priority is their own job, not yours.
Once again, Republicans obliterate a line in the sand because it is in their best interests

Filibuster used to be a tool of last resort for critical decisions. Under Obama, Republicans applied it to every piece of legislation and every judicial appointment

A President has always been allowed to make appointments during his term. Republicans decided that if an appointment would flip the court, they would delay it till the next President

A Filibuster used to mean go back and try again. Now Republicans are eliminating all filibusters for SCOTUS judges

There is no going back


Reid and the dems started it when they rammed ACA through on dem only votes with no open discussion, debate, or amendments. Now those chickens are coming home to roost.

as obozo the great Kenyan messiah once said "elections have consequences" deal with it snowflake.

Obamacare passed with over 60% of the vote
It was refined and debated for over a year....nothing was rammed through


ACA passed with dem votes only, not one republican voted for it. It was brought to a vote by Reid using the nuclear option. No discussion or floor debate of the bill that was passed was allowed by Reid or Pelosi. no amendments were allowed. It was rammed through.

There is no Constitutional requirement for either Democratic or Republican votes. The Constitution does not even mention parties only states. Over 60% of the state representatives voted for Obamacare....only 50% is needed

Obamamacare had many, many amendments and there was months of discussion

Trumpcare was the one that was trying to be quickly forced for a vote, that is why it failed


it is true that the topic of healthcare was discussed for months and years. What is also true is that the bill that was passed PPACA, did not have any discussion, floor debate in either house, and no amendments were allowed in either house by Pelosi and reid.

PPACA was written in a locked room by dem staffers and passed by dem votes only using reconciliation procedures which had never been used for something of that magnitude.

you dems started it and now its biting you in the ass. Tough shit.

Nope, Obama met with Republicans.
 
gipper has the meat of it.

it gives them 'reason' to destroy filibuster in the when they hold the Senate and want to pass legislation without worrying about the need of a 60 vote cloture. In other words, they will use it to pass single payer with a 51 vote majority embedded with a 2/3 vote requirement on any repeal.

We already know they would do this. I guess they're just doing it for anyone not paying attention the first time Reid went nuclear?
 
Your opinion seems to lack evidence of all three of these issues.

Both the chief justice and the new nominee claim that Roe is settled law. We will see if the new guy is a liar once the nuclear option has been employed; "hard core gun control" is not defined, even Scalia put limits on who should have custody and control of a gun (read Heller); what was is radical about gay marriage is the fact that the government had no business outlawing a contract of marriage based on bigotry, and ignored equal rights for all citizens.

I was commenting on Mr. Garland's extremism, not on what Mr. Gorsuch's opinions might be.

Many, many Americans believe that marriage is between one man and one broad, stand behind the 2nd Amendment and don't believe in unrestricted, unregulated, government paid abortion as some kind of "right". Someone who has a far left position on all these issues is a tad of an extremist.
 
who cares, Gorsuch will be confirmed. If the dems filibuster, they only make themselves look more stupid than they already do. So go for it, dems.
They already did.

You repeating this old, and already known fact from days ago only illustrates how butthurt you are over their move. Deal with it snowflake.


Can someone explain the partisan calculus behind this?

The GOP is going to Reid-Rule him in, and if Trump can pick another justice, they'll do it again.

I'm assuming, then, this is just for perceived political advantage for use during individual 2018 races?
.

A line in the sand. McConnell will cross it, and the Senate will be changed forever. The Nuclear Action is an attack on democracy itself, and one more nail in the coffin following the conservative plan to create a Plutocracy in America.

This statement ^^^ will be too abstract for most of Trump's supporters, and for those who actually believe conservatives and Republicans can actually govern, and will morally and honestly represent all of our citizens.

They will not, it is not in their best interests, and as everyone knows but few admit, a member of Congress' first priority is their own job, not yours.
A line in the sand. McConnell will cross it, and the Senate will be changed forever. The Nuclear Action is an attack on democracy itself, and one more nail in the coffin following the conservative plan to create a Plutocracy in America.

This statement ^^^ will be too abstract for most of Trump's supporters, and for those who actually believe conservatives and Republicans can actually govern, and will morally and honestly represent all of our citizens.

They will not, it is not in their best interests, and as everyone knows but few admit, a member of Congress' first priority is their own job, not yours.

Once again, Republicans obliterate a line in the sand because it is in their best interests

Filibuster used to be a tool of last resort for critical decisions. Under Obama, Republicans applied it to every piece of legislation and every judicial appointment

A President has always been allowed to make appointments during his term. Republicans decided that if an appointment would flip the court, they would delay it till the next President

A Filibuster used to mean go back and try again. Now Republicans are eliminating all filibusters for SCOTUS judges

There is no going back


Reid and the dems started it when they rammed ACA through on dem only votes with no open discussion, debate, or amendments. Now those chickens are coming home to roost.

as obozo the great Kenyan messiah once said "elections have consequences" deal with it snowflake.

Obamacare passed with over 60% of the vote
It was refined and debated for over a year....nothing was rammed through


ACA passed with dem votes only, not one republican voted for it. It was brought to a vote by Reid using the nuclear option. No discussion or floor debate of the bill that was passed was allowed by Reid or Pelosi. no amendments were allowed. It was rammed through.

Republicans would rather people die by the roadside as long as they can have their tax cuts.


that is the most stupid post of the day, congratulations, idiot.
 
The Republicans tried to block Obama at every turn, even if it would harm the public. Dems should hold no punches.
Is it a good thing to block the president, a bad thing, or only a bad thing when Republicans do it?
 
Reid and the dems started it when they rammed ACA through on dem only votes with no open discussion, debate, or amendments. Now those chickens are coming home to roost.

as obozo the great Kenyan messiah once said "elections have consequences" deal with it snowflake.

Obamacare passed with over 60% of the vote
It was refined and debated for over a year....nothing was rammed through


ACA passed with dem votes only, not one republican voted for it. It was brought to a vote by Reid using the nuclear option. No discussion or floor debate of the bill that was passed was allowed by Reid or Pelosi. no amendments were allowed. It was rammed through.

There is no Constitutional requirement for either Democratic or Republican votes. The Constitution does not even mention parties only states. Over 60% of the state representatives voted for Obamacare....only 50% is needed

Obamamacare had many, many amendments and there was months of discussion

Trumpcare was the one that was trying to be quickly forced for a vote, that is why it failed


it is true that the topic of healthcare was discussed for months and years. What is also true is that the bill that was passed PPACA, did not have any discussion, floor debate in either house, and no amendments were allowed in either house by Pelosi and reid.

PPACA was written in a locked room by dem staffers and passed by dem votes only using reconciliation procedures which had never been used for something of that magnitude.

you dems started it and now its biting you in the ass. Tough shit.

Nope, Obama met with Republicans.


which ones and when? Obama did not have any meaningful dialog with republicans before ACA was voted on and he signed it.
 
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The Republicans tried to block Obama at every turn, even if it would harm the public. Dems should hold no punches.
Is it a good thing to block the president, a bad thing, or only a bad thing when Republicans do it?


don't expect an answer. the dems and libs cannot get over the fact that the American voters rejected crooked Hillary and that Trump is now president with control of both houses of congress. They lost and they cannot deal with it.
 

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