Democrats: What would the politics be behind a Gorsuch filibuster?

[bendog]

Can someone explain the partisan calculus behind this?

The GOP is going to Reid-Rule him in, and if Trump can pick another justice, they'll do it again.

I'm assuming, then, this is just for perceived political advantage for use during individual 2018 races?
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I think Schumer realizes the GOP has used the filibuster increasingly first in Slick's presidency and esp in Obama's, so there's no point in keeping it. With the Garland thing, I will not be surprised if more than two dems vote aye. And if there's another, there may be no dems. The dem base is pissed, and Schumer has to play to them.

Obama passed obamacare with no GOP support. That's why it's sort of a homeless child. The gop lacks the will to kill it or cure it. Now The Turtle McConnell says "legislation needs bipartisan support." Of course the mothefucker said he'd do all he could to make Obama a one termer. I realize Obama is more liberal than any dem potus since LBJ, but Americans are not well served when presidents fail ... in either party. See, e.g. W and Carter.

So, imo Shcumer knows the fillbuster has no future. The gop has the maj in the Senate until MOST likely 2020. If McConnell wants bipartisanship, he can offer something to achieve that without the filibuster. However, I think Schumer also knows that Trump is SO BAD that 2018 senate elections are still in the future. And, at this point Trump is a one termer even if the jobs come back despite his crappy job, so Schumer has to figure he's got better than a 50-50 chance of a dem potus AND dem senate in 2020.

The supreme court is what it is. But the republic is not hanging in the balance of Roe, or Citizens United or Hobby Lobby.

 

[bendog]

NO Supreme Court justice has ever been filibustered in the history of that august body, Gorsuch was the very first.

This is just a new underhanded trick by the minority, although it was foiled.

Justice Thomas was confirmed with just 52 votes, if you'll remember, back in 1991. BTW, he's worked out excellently, with a superb record. Well over 90% of the votes he's cast have been correct.

There you go. The dems held the Seante and still gave him an up or down vote. Nominees got up or down votes, with Bork pulling out when it was clear he wasn't going to get 50, and filibuster was left for really important stuff.


The final floor vote was not along strictly party lines: 41 Republicans and 11 Democrats (Dixon (D-IL), Exon (D-NE), DeConcini (D-AZ), Robb (D-VA), Hollings (D-SC), Fowler (D-GA), Nunn (D-GA), Breaux (D-LA), Johnston (D-LA), Boren (D-OK), and Shelby (D-AL) now (R-AL)) voted to confirm while 46 Democrats and 2 Republicans (Jeffords (R-VT) later (I-VT) and Packwood (R-OR)) voted to reject the nomination; John Glenn was particularly vituperative in his rejection

Clarence Thomas Supreme Court nomination - Wikipedia

 

[hadit]

The Republicans tried to block Obama at every turn, even if it would harm the public. Dems should hold no punches.

Is it a good thing to block the president, a bad thing, or only a bad thing when Republicans do it?

Its bad when you are putting party over country. If you are trying to block a beneficial law or pass a damaging law, you are failing to look out for your constituents best interest.

In this case, there is no reason beyond party to block Gorsuch.

 

[Aries]

The Republicans tried to block Obama at every turn, even if it would harm the public. Dems should hold no punches.

Is it a good thing to block the president, a bad thing, or only a bad thing when Republicans do it?

Its bad when you are putting party over country. If you are trying to block a beneficial law or pass a damaging law, you are failing to look out for your constituents best interest.

In this case, there is no reason beyond party to block Gorsuch.

Except for that his extreme support of corporations will at some point be very damaging to our citizens.... Republicans are putting party over country with that pick... block block block.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Republicans tried to block Obama at every turn, even if it would harm the public. Dems should hold no punches.

Is it a good thing to block the president, a bad thing, or only a bad thing when Republicans do it?

Its bad when you are putting party over country. If you are trying to block a beneficial law or pass a damaging law, you are failing to look out for your constituents best interest.

In this case, there is no reason beyond party to block Gorsuch.

Except for that his extreme support of corporations will at some point be very damaging to our citizens.... Republicans are putting party over country with that pick... block block block.

Except for that his extreme support of corporations

He didn't follow the law when he made all those decisions supporting corporations?
That's awful!

Can you post a few examples?

 

[bendog]

The Republicans tried to block Obama at every turn, even if it would harm the public. Dems should hold no punches.

Is it a good thing to block the president, a bad thing, or only a bad thing when Republicans do it?

Its bad when you are putting party over country. If you are trying to block a beneficial law or pass a damaging law, you are failing to look out for your constituents best interest.

In this case, there is no reason beyond party to block Gorsuch.

Except for that his extreme support of corporations will at some point be very damaging to our citizens.... Republicans are putting party over country with that pick... block block block.

That's a reason to vote against him. The OP question is why deny him an up or down vote, esp considering the dems are only acting on principle because the gop will confirm him with 52 votes if necessary.

And I think the answer is that the gop tried to, and successfully did, deny Clinton and esp Obama judicial nominees with the filibuster. So basically, Schumer is sayng "yea shall repeat what you sow."

 

[rightwinger]

Schumer just shot himself in the foot.

Forced the Republicans hand

Now it is a whole new ballgame

 

[Penelope]

y

The Republicans tried to block Obama at every turn, even if it would harm the public. Dems should hold no punches.

Is it a good thing to block the president, a bad thing, or only a bad thing when Republicans do it?

don't expect an answer. the dems and libs cannot get over the fact that the American voters rejected crooked Hillary and that Trump is now president with control of both houses of congress. They lost and they cannot deal with it.

You have no choice, the elites and Russia helped Trump and some of the poorly educated. Never forgot who and what you voted for. It will come back to haunt you.

the elites and Russia helped Trump

The same elite Russians that gave Hillary so much money?

Putin didn't like Clinton or the Obama Admin. Note how Rex has become SOS and is also a friend of Russia. Putin helped Trump win, there is no doubt about that.

 

[hadit]

The Republicans tried to block Obama at every turn, even if it would harm the public. Dems should hold no punches.

Is it a good thing to block the president, a bad thing, or only a bad thing when Republicans do it?

Its bad when you are putting party over country. If you are trying to block a beneficial law or pass a damaging law, you are failing to look out for your constituents best interest.

In this case, there is no reason beyond party to block Gorsuch.

Except for that his extreme support of corporations will at some point be very damaging to our citizens.... Republicans are putting party over country with that pick... block block block.

Except for that his extreme support of corporations

He didn't follow the law when he made all those decisions supporting corporations?
That's awful!

Can you post a few examples?

Seriously, Gorsuch is far from an extremist.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

y

The Republicans tried to block Obama at every turn, even if it would harm the public. Dems should hold no punches.

Is it a good thing to block the president, a bad thing, or only a bad thing when Republicans do it?

don't expect an answer. the dems and libs cannot get over the fact that the American voters rejected crooked Hillary and that Trump is now president with control of both houses of congress. They lost and they cannot deal with it.

You have no choice, the elites and Russia helped Trump and some of the poorly educated. Never forgot who and what you voted for. It will come back to haunt you.

the elites and Russia helped Trump

The same elite Russians that gave Hillary so much money?

Putin didn't like Clinton or the Obama Admin. Note how Rex has become SOS and is also a friend of Russia. Putin helped Trump win, there is no doubt about that.

Putin didn't like Clinton or the Obama Admin.

Even after all of their ass kissing? They must have been even less competent than I thought.

Putin helped Trump win, there is no doubt about that.

How? By exposing the DNC's and Hillary's corruption?
Don't you hate it when the public learns the truth about your heroes?

 

[Borillar]

Democrats rejected a stellar judicial nominee in Robert Bork. We moved on.

I wish the Republicans treated Garland like the Democrats treated Bork just to see Democrats try and defend their acts then

What? You mean give him a hearing?

 

[JohnnyApplesack]

Garland, but this is a non-issue altoghter3

the Reps got their ultra right replacement for Scalia by using the nuke option, so that option's gone for the Senate

if the Dems had not filibustered they'd get Gorsuch and STILL face the nuke option if another pick opportunity rolled around

none of this matters unless it backfires when Trump's gone and the Dem Congress picks 2 or 3

 

[Aries]

y

The Republicans tried to block Obama at every turn, even if it would harm the public. Dems should hold no punches.

Is it a good thing to block the president, a bad thing, or only a bad thing when Republicans do it?

don't expect an answer. the dems and libs cannot get over the fact that the American voters rejected crooked Hillary and that Trump is now president with control of both houses of congress. They lost and they cannot deal with it.

You have no choice, the elites and Russia helped Trump and some of the poorly educated. Never forgot who and what you voted for. It will come back to haunt you.

the elites and Russia helped Trump

The same elite Russians that gave Hillary so much money?

Putin didn't like Clinton or the Obama Admin. Note how Rex has become SOS and is also a friend of Russia. Putin helped Trump win, there is no doubt about that.

Obamas sanctions crashed Russian economy.. putin needed a puppet to life the sanftions. He found that in trump. This is all about oil. All this treason for money. Shameful.

 

[MarcATL]

Republicans intentionally left a Supreme Court seat vacant for over a year
It was an abuse by the party in power and will forever change how Supreme Court Justices get chosen

I hope it was worth it

Not only that. The Republicans are on record planning to not vote ANY SOTUS nominee for Hillary had she won.

So yah, let them cry Republican tears now. I'm glad they went nuclear, now it's over.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

y

Is it a good thing to block the president, a bad thing, or only a bad thing when Republicans do it?

don't expect an answer. the dems and libs cannot get over the fact that the American voters rejected crooked Hillary and that Trump is now president with control of both houses of congress. They lost and they cannot deal with it.

You have no choice, the elites and Russia helped Trump and some of the poorly educated. Never forgot who and what you voted for. It will come back to haunt you.

the elites and Russia helped Trump

The same elite Russians that gave Hillary so much money?

Putin didn't like Clinton or the Obama Admin. Note how Rex has become SOS and is also a friend of Russia. Putin helped Trump win, there is no doubt about that.

Obamas sanctions crashed Russian economy.. putin needed a puppet to life the sanftions. He found that in trump. This is all about oil. All this treason for money. Shameful.

Obamas sanctions crashed Russian economy..

Bullshit. Obama announced sanctions in March 2014.

Oil was about $100 a barrel.

A year later it was under $50. It eventually hit the low $30s.
That's what crushed the Russian economy. Obama had nothing to do with it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Republicans intentionally left a Supreme Court seat vacant for over a year
It was an abuse by the party in power and will forever change how Supreme Court Justices get chosen

I hope it was worth it

Not only that. The Republicans are on record planning to not vote ANY SOTUS nominee for Hillary had she won.

So yah, let them cry Republican tears now. I'm glad they went nuclear, now it's over.

Is that what they'll be drinking when they confirm Gorsuch?
When they replace the crypt keeper with a conservative? LOL!

 

[MarcATL]

Seriously, Gorsuch is far from an extremist.

So was Garland. Who cares?

 

[bendog]

Republicans intentionally left a Supreme Court seat vacant for over a year
It was an abuse by the party in power and will forever change how Supreme Court Justices get chosen

I hope it was worth it

Not only that. The Republicans are on record planning to not vote ANY SOTUS nominee for Hillary had she won.

So yah, let them cry Republican tears now. I'm glad they went nuclear, now it's over.

the Fillibuster should never have been used against Judges, and both parties were guilty. But yeah, the past 5 years show that Mitch the Turtle was not going to give any dem scotus nominee an up or down vote. So why even pretend there's something here.

If the dems have 51 in the Seante, there will not be a gop nominted Judge get a vote ... unless the dems actually like him/her. So, basically what we have now is a system where the ONLY way to confirm a Justice (and perhaps a circuit judge) is for one party to have the WH and 50 in the senate.

Let Mitch the Turtle propose a compromise to avoid that. He won't. So there it is.

He's a horrid little creature. He has to by lying when he claims this goes back to Bork. Bork couldn't get 50 votes, and part of the reason was he fired Archibald Cox for Nixon, and was promised a Sup Ct seat for doing it. And even then, the dems gave Kennedy an up or down vote, and they didn't have to cause they held the senate in Reagan's second term just as the gop held in Obama's. And no one with an ounce of credibility can claim Obama is further to the left than Reagan to the right.

The Turtle is too smart to believe his own shit, and I think what it is is just that he sees that Trump's win was a near miracle, and given trends it will be hard for the gop to win the presidency.

 

[Aries]

ydon't expect an answer. the dems and libs cannot get over the fact that the American voters rejected crooked Hillary and that Trump is now president with control of both houses of congress. They lost and they cannot deal with it.

You have no choice, the elites and Russia helped Trump and some of the poorly educated. Never forgot who and what you voted for. It will come back to haunt you.

the elites and Russia helped Trump

The same elite Russians that gave Hillary so much money?

Putin didn't like Clinton or the Obama Admin. Note how Rex has become SOS and is also a friend of Russia. Putin helped Trump win, there is no doubt about that.

Obamas sanctions crashed Russian economy.. putin needed a puppet to life the sanftions. He found that in trump. This is all about oil. All this treason for money. Shameful.

Obamas sanctions crashed Russian economy..

Bullshit. Obama announced sanctions in March 2014.

Oil was about $100 a barrel.

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A year later it was under $50. It eventually hit the low $30s.
That's what crushed the Russian economy. Obama had nothing to do with it.

His sanctions did a huge number on their exports. Obamas progress in making us more energy sufficient hurt them as well.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You have no choice, the elites and Russia helped Trump and some of the poorly educated. Never forgot who and what you voted for. It will come back to haunt you.

the elites and Russia helped Trump

The same elite Russians that gave Hillary so much money?

Putin didn't like Clinton or the Obama Admin. Note how Rex has become SOS and is also a friend of Russia. Putin helped Trump win, there is no doubt about that.

Obamas sanctions crashed Russian economy.. putin needed a puppet to life the sanftions. He found that in trump. This is all about oil. All this treason for money. Shameful.

Obamas sanctions crashed Russian economy..

Bullshit. Obama announced sanctions in March 2014.

Oil was about $100 a barrel.

View attachment 120593

A year later it was under $50. It eventually hit the low $30s.
That's what crushed the Russian economy. Obama had nothing to do with it.

His sanctions did a huge number on their exports. Obamas progress in making us more energy sufficient hurt them as well.

His sanctions did a huge number on their exports.

Which exports?
Besides oil, gas, minerals and weapons, they don't have much in the way of exports.

Obamas progress in making us more energy

You mean his attempts to stop pipelines and fracking hurt Russia? Please explain further.