Dems got the Trump Racism thing all wrong

[Fort Fun Indiana]

All you're doing is proving is foreigners depress wages.

My only contribution to this is the same as yours: I buy fruits and vegetables. So spare me your highhanded nonsense.

And in no way does this show foreigners depress wages. The farmers would simply not enter the market, if not for the migrant workers. The workers and farmers don't determine the wages, the market competition in price for the product does. Way off the mark on that one, professor.

 

[TNHarley]

Well, i fail to understand the relevance of discussing natural disasters and intelligence.

Good then let’s not discuss that. Sounds like you still have some reflecting to do. Are you ashamed of the ignorant, pompous and insulting tone you’ve taken in regards to a devistated nation yet?

Of course not. Why would i?

Because it’s true. You are being a douchebag and going after devistated people in a very pointed and ugly way while generalizing and stereotyping. So yes, you should absolutely be ashamed of yourself if you had any sort of self awareness.

What does hurricane devastation from 10 years ago have to do with their intelligence? Were they smarter before that or something?
Haiti is a shithole country. So are most african countries.
Thats the way it is. Me not saying it wouldnt change anything. And neither does the weather

Ok man, keep telling yourself yourself whatever you need to feel better. You’re still a complete douche and that’s something you have to live with

Im an ass. I wont argue. But they are still a shithole. 10 year old weather disasters that are completely irrelevant to the subject at hand definitely wouldnt change my mind.
IF you care so much, try to come up with a relevant argument.

 

[OldLady]

Lets get real for a second. If you are partisan spinner on either side please leave now. Here's the deal. Trump made a stupid ignorant statement the other day when he said he didn't want people from Shithole countries coming here. His lackies are looking like fools trying to make excuses for him, trying to make this thing about a PC language issue or pretending that he was simply talking about the conditions of 3rd world countries, or spreading the idiotic narrative that he didn't even say it. Its embarrassing for them. On the flip side, the dems are over playing their hand by going after Trump as a Racist... Let me explain.

I understand the racist argument that the Left is making based on Trumps statements, but I believe that to be subjective and over played in this case. The real issue from what i've seen has more to do with class. Trump doesn't want poor uneducated people coming into our Country. His statement was discriminatory, no question, so lets be accurate and call it that. I don't think Trump would have a problem with a bunch of Ben Carson's coming into our country, I don't think it is a race issue.

Trump wants merit based immigration where we give priority to people who have proven that they have something to contribute to society. People with achievements in education, work, or monetary means have proven merit under his standards and those who are poor or uneducated do not have the same merit. I don't agree with Trump, I believe in giving people opportunity and that nobody is better than the other just because they are born somewhere else or born with more means than another. I also believe that people from poor countries represent a perspective that those from rich countries don't have. They have a great sense of appreciation for opportunity and the American dream because they have gone through the struggle of not having it. That is a valuable perspective to have.

I understand given Trumps history that a link can be made to say that he may assume people of color to fit a certain stereotype unless they have proven otherwise and with that a case for Racism could be made. However, I'd like to see our political discussion less polarized and hyperbolized and more realistic based on the facts. Dems should stop with the hyperfocus on Racism and call this what it is, class based discrimination... Reps need to stop being spin doctor puppets... and Trump needs to grow the fuck up and start acting like a leader

While I think there is an undertone of racism here in the fact that -- let's face it -- many third world countries experiencing tremendous poverty are black and brown, I think the class thing is much more apropos in describing Trump himself. He's a snob.
News flash--he's not going to grow up, though. At 71, he's who he is and will only become more so.

agreed. all the phaux rage is only going to encourage him at this point. it's a jacked up symbiotic game between the fanatics and anti-trumpers and trump.

Could be his perspective of running this like a tv show--ratings are everything. Stay tuned for the reveal next week. Build suspense on whether he will or won't accept a DACA deal. Throw in some arguing and hair pulling for entertainment value. After his remarks last week about "welcome to the studio," and his "reviews" and "ratings," it reminded me from whence he comes. This is the hair pulling, martini throwing part of the reality show, but I wonder if the pols all realize that the drama is supposed to be transitory.

 

[iceberg]

Lets get real for a second. If you are partisan spinner on either side please leave now. Here's the deal. Trump made a stupid ignorant statement the other day when he said he didn't want people from Shithole countries coming here. His lackies are looking like fools trying to make excuses for him, trying to make this thing about a PC language issue or pretending that he was simply talking about the conditions of 3rd world countries, or spreading the idiotic narrative that he didn't even say it. Its embarrassing for them. On the flip side, the dems are over playing their hand by going after Trump as a Racist... Let me explain.

I understand the racist argument that the Left is making based on Trumps statements, but I believe that to be subjective and over played in this case. The real issue from what i've seen has more to do with class. Trump doesn't want poor uneducated people coming into our Country. His statement was discriminatory, no question, so lets be accurate and call it that. I don't think Trump would have a problem with a bunch of Ben Carson's coming into our country, I don't think it is a race issue.

Trump wants merit based immigration where we give priority to people who have proven that they have something to contribute to society. People with achievements in education, work, or monetary means have proven merit under his standards and those who are poor or uneducated do not have the same merit. I don't agree with Trump, I believe in giving people opportunity and that nobody is better than the other just because they are born somewhere else or born with more means than another. I also believe that people from poor countries represent a perspective that those from rich countries don't have. They have a great sense of appreciation for opportunity and the American dream because they have gone through the struggle of not having it. That is a valuable perspective to have.

I understand given Trumps history that a link can be made to say that he may assume people of color to fit a certain stereotype unless they have proven otherwise and with that a case for Racism could be made. However, I'd like to see our political discussion less polarized and hyperbolized and more realistic based on the facts. Dems should stop with the hyperfocus on Racism and call this what it is, class based discrimination... Reps need to stop being spin doctor puppets... and Trump needs to grow the fuck up and start acting like a leader

While I think there is an undertone of racism here in the fact that -- let's face it -- many third world countries experiencing tremendous poverty are black and brown, I think the class thing is much more apropos in describing Trump himself. He's a snob.
News flash--he's not going to grow up, though. At 71, he's who he is and will only become more so.

agreed. all the phaux rage is only going to encourage him at this point. it's a jacked up symbiotic game between the fanatics and anti-trumpers and trump.

Could be his perspective of running this like a tv show--ratings are everything. Stay tuned for the reveal next week. Build suspense on whether he will or won't accept a DACA deal. Throw in some arguing and hair pulling for entertainment value. After his remarks last week about "welcome to the studio," and his "reviews" and "ratings," it reminded me from whence he comes. This is the hair pulling, martini throwing part of the reality show, but I wonder if the pols all realize that the drama is supposed to be transitory.

it's just trump being the ass he is. he's crass, arrogant and you could likely pull a more refined person out of a garbage can to be honest. but he never has sugar coated things and has always gone for max drama and this was long before being president. why think he'd do any less here?

if people would care less about his tweets he'd likely quit doing it and look for some other way to get at people. when i was in elementary school i was mocked and called a rhyming but stupid name. i went nuts when kids did it. finally a teacher pulled me aside and said quit reacting and they'll quit doing it. she was dead on right. now we're caught in the middle of a "payback" mentality that any parent would simply tell their kids to CUT IT OUT but as adults, we don't. it's different for some reason.

it's not. i'm amazed what we learn as kids that we forget as adults.

 

[Slade3200]

Good then let’s not discuss that. Sounds like you still have some reflecting to do. Are you ashamed of the ignorant, pompous and insulting tone you’ve taken in regards to a devistated nation yet?

Of course not. Why would i?

Because it’s true. You are being a douchebag and going after devistated people in a very pointed and ugly way while generalizing and stereotyping. So yes, you should absolutely be ashamed of yourself if you had any sort of self awareness.

What does hurricane devastation from 10 years ago have to do with their intelligence? Were they smarter before that or something?
Haiti is a shithole country. So are most african countries.
Thats the way it is. Me not saying it wouldnt change anything. And neither does the weather

Ok man, keep telling yourself yourself whatever you need to feel better. You’re still a complete douche and that’s something you have to live with

Im an ass. I wont argue. But they are still a shithole. 10 year old weather disasters that are completely irrelevant to the subject at hand definitely wouldnt change my mind.
IF you care so much, try to come up with a relevant argument.

That’s fine and an army vet with no legs is a slow ass runner but I’m not going to run around throwing it in his face or try to alienate him because of it. It’s your choice if you want to be an ass. If calling it truth helps you sleep at night then that’s fine but you aren’t fooling anybody.

 

[TNHarley]

Of course not. Why would i?

Because it’s true. You are being a douchebag and going after devistated people in a very pointed and ugly way while generalizing and stereotyping. So yes, you should absolutely be ashamed of yourself if you had any sort of self awareness.

What does hurricane devastation from 10 years ago have to do with their intelligence? Were they smarter before that or something?
Haiti is a shithole country. So are most african countries.
Thats the way it is. Me not saying it wouldnt change anything. And neither does the weather

Ok man, keep telling yourself yourself whatever you need to feel better. You’re still a complete douche and that’s something you have to live with

Im an ass. I wont argue. But they are still a shithole. 10 year old weather disasters that are completely irrelevant to the subject at hand definitely wouldnt change my mind.
IF you care so much, try to come up with a relevant argument.

That’s fine and an army vet with no legs is a slow ass runner but I’m not going to run around throwing it in his face or try to alienate him because of it. It’s your choice if you want to be an ass. If calling it truth helps you sleep at night then that’s fine but you aren’t fooling anybody.

LOL
I think thats a bit different. You are arguing one of the most ridiculous arguments i have ever heard of. Were they smarter before the hurricane?
NO?
Then wth are you talking about?
Nothing...
You can call me an asshole, thats fine. But dont act like there is a reason other than your emotion about weather from 10 years ago.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Actually....that isn't entirely true. Puerto Rico has been steadily losing population due to economic troubles and the final blow, the hurricane, caused a huge number of people to pull up stakes and leave. After Katrina many people opted not to rebuild - they left. Ironically - many went to Texas where some were flooded out again in the recent floods. Detroit's economic bust has led to a population decline leaving entire neighborhoods full of empty abandoned houses. Most people did not stay and those that did are often those with no other options. It is also impossible to make relevant comparisons between American states and other countries. People here have options that make it easier to stay and rebuild that don't exist in many other parts of the world.

What I'm saying here, Coyote, is that these people did not abandon their homeland for another country. They stayed here in the United States. Never has the situation been so bad that people started leaving the US en masse for another country. You're correct when you say they have options here that don't exist in other parts of the world, but that's why they stay here. They seek to make this country a better place by rebuilding within its confines. See, this is what I think of when I hear the word "patriot" or "patriotism", having enough pride in one's own country to make it better not only for themself, but for others as well. Not abandoning it because of adversity.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Look at Mosul. That city is a real tragedy, destroyed by civil war, competing forces, and ISIS brutality. Not much left standing, no family left whole, thousands bodies to bury as people try to clean up and rebuild. And overarching all that - no accountable government, no political stability, the possibility that the regime may turn against them and try to kill them. Infrastructure destroyed. Those left have nowhere to go. No government funding to help them rebuild. Is that comparable to Texas, Houston, Puerto Rico?

I think so. Are we not giving them foreign aid?

U.S. Foreign Aid by Country

 

[TemplarKormac]

No, you misunderstand. Our ancestors did not opt to stay in their own country and improve conditions there.

I stand corrected then.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Your last line in the paragraph is a good one...."Why can't we incentivize the existing population to acquire such skills?" But I'm not sure - do you mean Americans? If so - I don't know...

I'm referring to Americans in this case.

 

[The Original Tree]

Anyone who even doubted that Dirty Dick Durbin Lied and also has ever used even once the word ShitHole to describe any place anywhere in the world should do the honorable thing and stop Exhaling CO2.

For those liberals who are confused about how to accomplish this Google the word “Noose”.

Sick Dirty Dick Durbin can go first and lead by example. That or simply resign would suffice.

 

[Coyote]

Your last line in the paragraph is a good one...."Why can't we incentivize the existing population to acquire such skills?" But I'm not sure - do you mean Americans? If so - I don't know...

I'm referring to Americans in this case.

I thought so but didn't want to assume. It's a good question...don't have an answer.

 

[Coyote]

Look at Mosul. That city is a real tragedy, destroyed by civil war, competing forces, and ISIS brutality. Not much left standing, no family left whole, thousands bodies to bury as people try to clean up and rebuild. And overarching all that - no accountable government, no political stability, the possibility that the regime may turn against them and try to kill them. Infrastructure destroyed. Those left have nowhere to go. No government funding to help them rebuild. Is that comparable to Texas, Houston, Puerto Rico?

I think so. Are we not giving them foreign aid?

U.S. Foreign Aid by Country

I meant by their own government...with the Assad regime - I don't know whether any of it will get to them...

 

[The Original Tree]

Your last line in the paragraph is a good one...."Why can't we incentivize the existing population to acquire such skills?" But I'm not sure - do you mean Americans? If so - I don't know...

I'm referring to Americans in this case.

I thought so but didn't want to assume. It's a good question...don't have an answer.

You sound like Dick Durbin when people asked him why he Lied

 

[Coyote]

Actually....that isn't entirely true. Puerto Rico has been steadily losing population due to economic troubles and the final blow, the hurricane, caused a huge number of people to pull up stakes and leave. After Katrina many people opted not to rebuild - they left. Ironically - many went to Texas where some were flooded out again in the recent floods. Detroit's economic bust has led to a population decline leaving entire neighborhoods full of empty abandoned houses. Most people did not stay and those that did are often those with no other options. It is also impossible to make relevant comparisons between American states and other countries. People here have options that make it easier to stay and rebuild that don't exist in many other parts of the world.

What I'm saying here, Coyote, is that these people did not abandon their homeland for another country. They stayed here in the United States. Never has the situation been so bad that people started leaving the US en masse for another country. You're correct when you say they have options here that don't exist in other parts of the world, but that's why they stay here. They seek to make this country a better place by rebuilding within its confines. See, this is what I think of when I hear the word "patriot" or "patriotism", having enough pride in one's own country to make it better not only for themself, but for others as well. Not abandoning it because of adversity.

But that is a huge difference...don't you realize? If the economy crapped out in Detroit - they can go to Georgia...if they got flooded out once to often in Houston, they can pick up stakes and go to Austin. And still remain in their own country. But where can the people of places like Mosel go? Or Sudan, where the entire country is being decimated by a horrible drought? It's not merely a matter of "adversity" it becomes a matter of survival. It's complex....

 

[The Original Tree]

Actually....that isn't entirely true. Puerto Rico has been steadily losing population due to economic troubles and the final blow, the hurricane, caused a huge number of people to pull up stakes and leave. After Katrina many people opted not to rebuild - they left. Ironically - many went to Texas where some were flooded out again in the recent floods. Detroit's economic bust has led to a population decline leaving entire neighborhoods full of empty abandoned houses. Most people did not stay and those that did are often those with no other options. It is also impossible to make relevant comparisons between American states and other countries. People here have options that make it easier to stay and rebuild that don't exist in many other parts of the world.

What I'm saying here, Coyote, is that these people did not abandon their homeland for another country. They stayed here in the United States. Never has the situation been so bad that people started leaving the US en masse for another country. You're correct when you say they have options here that don't exist in other parts of the world, but that's why they stay here. They seek to make this country a better place by rebuilding within its confines. See, this is what I think of when I hear the word "patriot" or "patriotism", having enough pride in one's own country to make it better not only for themself, but for others as well. Not abandoning it because of adversity.

But that is a huge difference...don't you realize? If the economy crapped out in Detroit - they can go to Georgia...if they got flooded out once to often in Houston, they can pick up stakes and go to Austin. And still remain in their own country. But where can the people of places like Mosel go? Or Sudan, where the entire country is being decimated by a horrible drought? It's not merely a matter of "adversity" it becomes a matter of survival. It's complex....

They can go to another Islamic Nation.

The Hypocrite Muslims are commanded by their Koran to Offer Sanctuary to their Devil Worshipping Brethren but never do.

Fake Religion

If allah is so great let him take care of them.

If allah is so great why does allah need you to blow yourself up and kill innocent people when you do?

If allah is so great why doesn’t allah give his people more fertile and prosperous lands?

Why are most of allah’s people starving and living in poverty and ignorance?

 

[TemplarKormac]

It's complex....

Agreed, hence why I believe we don't need even more immigrants adding to the complexity of the situations I described. Like I have said in the past, I would be fine with quotas. A certain period in the year where the country would accept immigrants. The solution is so simple, but we have such a convoluted government. Sad really.

 

[Coyote]

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Actually....that isn't entirely true. Puerto Rico has been steadily losing population due to economic troubles and the final blow, the hurricane, caused a huge number of people to pull up stakes and leave. After Katrina many people opted not to rebuild - they left. Ironically - many went to Texas where some were flooded out again in the recent floods. Detroit's economic bust has led to a population decline leaving entire neighborhoods full of empty abandoned houses. Most people did not stay and those that did are often those with no other options. It is also impossible to make relevant comparisons between American states and other countries. People here have options that make it easier to stay and rebuild that don't exist in many other parts of the world.

What I'm saying here, Coyote, is that these people did not abandon their homeland for another country. They stayed here in the United States. Never has the situation been so bad that people started leaving the US en masse for another country. You're correct when you say they have options here that don't exist in other parts of the world, but that's why they stay here. They seek to make this country a better place by rebuilding within its confines. See, this is what I think of when I hear the word "patriot" or "patriotism", having enough pride in one's own country to make it better not only for themself, but for others as well. Not abandoning it because of adversity.

But that is a huge difference...don't you realize? If the economy crapped out in Detroit - they can go to Georgia...if they got flooded out once to often in Houston, they can pick up stakes and go to Austin. And still remain in their own country. But where can the people of places like Mosel go? Or Sudan, where the entire country is being decimated by a horrible drought? It's not merely a matter of "adversity" it becomes a matter of survival. It's complex....

They can go to another Islamic Nation.

The Hypocrite Muslims are commanded by their Koran to Offer Sanctuary to their Devil Worshipping Brethren but never do.

Fake Religion

If allah is so great let him take care of them.

If allah is so great why does allah need you to blow yourself up and kill innocent people when you do?

If allah is so great why doesn’t allah give his people more fertile and prosperous lands?

Why are most of allah’s people starving and living in poverty and ignorance?

I couldn't care less what an immigrants religion is.

 

[Coyote]

It's complex....

Agreed, hence why I believe we don't need even more immigrants adding to the complexity of the situations I described. Like I have said in the past I would be fine with quotas. A certain period in the year where the country will accept immigrants. The solution is so simple, but we have such a convoluted government. Sad really.

Here's food for thought TK...it's always been compex. And the voices calling for quotas and limits on immigration aren't new. They are repeating the same words said decades and more ago.

We had laws and quotas on Chinese immigrants (oh we wanted them for labor but we didn't want them to stay.

We went very isolationist during prior to WW2 - we thought the East European immigrants were dirty and full of foreign ways. We didn't think they would assimilate. Same with the Irish - the Irish were branded as "papists"...who's loyalty to the pope was believed to overrule loyalty to their new country. Nothing is new....

Yet they came...and they assimilated - even if the first generation never got a good grasp of English, the second did...and they flourished.

Every time - the same sentiments are expressed - they won't assimilate, they'll alter our culture, we don't have room, we need the jobs for Americans....

 

[The Original Tree]

Once his religion tells him to slit your throat and butcher your family because of his fanatical bigoted intolerance yes you’d care as you gasp for your last bloody breath.

Mooslims have been immigrating to The US for decades and they refuse to assimilate. Their Hateful Jihad against The West Forbids them
To Assimilate!

Unless they renounce allah and Jihad they should not be allowed in to The US.

....

Actually....that isn't entirely true. Puerto Rico has been steadily losing population due to economic troubles and the final blow, the hurricane, caused a huge number of people to pull up stakes and leave. After Katrina many people opted not to rebuild - they left. Ironically - many went to Texas where some were flooded out again in the recent floods. Detroit's economic bust has led to a population decline leaving entire neighborhoods full of empty abandoned houses. Most people did not stay and those that did are often those with no other options. It is also impossible to make relevant comparisons between American states and other countries. People here have options that make it easier to stay and rebuild that don't exist in many other parts of the world.

What I'm saying here, Coyote, is that these people did not abandon their homeland for another country. They stayed here in the United States. Never has the situation been so bad that people started leaving the US en masse for another country. You're correct when you say they have options here that don't exist in other parts of the world, but that's why they stay here. They seek to make this country a better place by rebuilding within its confines. See, this is what I think of when I hear the word "patriot" or "patriotism", having enough pride in one's own country to make it better not only for themself, but for others as well. Not abandoning it because of adversity.

But that is a huge difference...don't you realize? If the economy crapped out in Detroit - they can go to Georgia...if they got flooded out once to often in Houston, they can pick up stakes and go to Austin. And still remain in their own country. But where can the people of places like Mosel go? Or Sudan, where the entire country is being decimated by a horrible drought? It's not merely a matter of "adversity" it becomes a matter of survival. It's complex....

They can go to another Islamic Nation.

The Hypocrite Muslims are commanded by their Koran to Offer Sanctuary to their Devil Worshipping Brethren but never do.

Fake Religion

If allah is so great let him take care of them.

If allah is so great why does allah need you to blow yourself up and kill innocent people when you do?

If allah is so great why doesn’t allah give his people more fertile and prosperous lands?

Why are most of allah’s people starving and living in poverty and ignorance?

I couldn't care less what an immigrants religion is.