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There was a time in America when immigration was encouraged and immigrants came here to become Americans. We're full of deadbeats, and there is an agenda by the left to transform traditional America into a socialist government dependent society. I oppose that agenda.My forefathers were educated and skilled workers. When they came to America they contributed at day one. Actually, my ancestors are irrelevant to this discussion. If you feel like you have to make this personal, then you obviously don't have any arrows in your quiver.Why didn't your ancestors stay where they came from?
So you set a different standard for immigrants today
Mine were dirt poor farmers out of Norway. In fact quite a few immigrants were dirt poor farmers and other types. They made our country great.
Yes we judge people differently today, get over it, it's not he 1800s anymore.
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When you start claiming immigrants should stay in their home country and make it a better place it's pretty effing hypocritical when you wouldn't be here if your ancestors had done just that but they didn't. They went to a place where they had opportunities to succeed that they did not have in their old country. And that is still valid today. Immigration is not undertaken lightly at all. And it's a process that self selects at the beginning for people who are more resiliant, adaptable and driven. I'm just talking about immigration, not refugees or other categories. Contrary to mythology, they aren't coming here to get on the dole. So right away you have a group of people, regardless of country, who are already driven to succeed. So how do you select them?
Well, I agree - the largest proportion should be merit based - some education or skills. I don't care about language proficiency because that will come with time. But I also agree with the visa lottery system - a means of selecting people who might not otherwise qualify from countries where we get few immigrants. They are still driven to succeed and willing to make a huge jump, to a foreign country, foreign culture and sometimes (contrary to the claims that "they hate America") - they are coming to a country where a portion of the citizenry seems to hate them. That takes courage, drive and resiliance. I also agree with "chain migration" - because marriage and family are long recognized as stabilizing factors. If you want someone to work well, be productive and adaptive - they should have their family with them.
It's a system that has worked for us a long long time.
Well those "deadbeats" don't appear to be immigrants.