peace proposal : 50% of Palestinian lands conquered by the Israelis given back, and halting of the settlement expansion.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Israel should control all of Gaza for 10 years ( then consider giving Palestinian control over 2/3 of it ( With an Israeli controlled Buffer Zone )

The Nazis had the same ideas about enforced rule, see? I told you they had lots in common, you wouldn't believe me though.

Israel is doomed already, it knows it not, but it has created more hatred than it understands, it has appeared like a tumor in the middle of the Levant and been very very very bad to the population there and the surrounding states, it has sown the seeds of its own destruction.

This is not just me speaking, many Jewish intellectuals have said this and for many years, but since you get all your reality spoon feed from a US TV set, you know next to nothing about the real world.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Read, this is Yeshayahu Leibowitz:

This is all before Hamas existed, before Oct 7th, long before, read it, this is a Jew speaking, an intelligent polymath.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Here's the massacre Leibowitz is referring to:

And the fanatical "Israel" supporters here don't care, in their tiny minds all is justified, all deaths, all killing and destruction is justified when it's the Israelis doing it. The militant Zionists have been acting like the Nazis since BEFORE ISRAEL WAS CREATED IN 1947.

That Qibya massacre is tiny compared the brutal massacres now occurring in Gaza, every single day.

The Republican sycophants now debasing themselves before Emperor Trump are all fruit from the same tree, fanatical Zionism.

People, adjust the narrative, stop swallowing the lies and prejudice, really, I mean this WAKE UP.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why "rockets" specifically?

Every rocket fired from Gaza is a war crime.
Why did the UN continue to provide money and support to
the war criminals in Gaza?

 

[Sunni Man]

Holy cow You really can't read. Oh my.

"Only the"
vs
"Only a"

Two different sentences; two different meanings.
It's all about context.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'm speaking as a Briton, if Germany's enemies had thwarted the Third Reich earlier then a huge number of lives would have been saved.

You wanted the allies before 1939 to attack Germany?

It sounded like you wanted the Arabs to attack the Jews at the start of the Third Reich.

Based on your previously posted hatred of the Jews, I thought that's what you meant.
Sorry for the honest mistake.

 

[Mac-7]

That's a very imaginative use of the term "unobstructed".

There was no Israeli presence of any kind in Gaza for 20 years

It was a 100% muslim show

And what did the arabs do with their freedom?

They started a war

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Of course they rejected it, they had a right to reject it. A foreign colonial power (Britain with the UN) was planning to create a new state carved out of territory where over a million Arabs already lived and had homes. Those people were never afforded a democratic vote to choose the government!

The government was to be a Zionist led government, imposing itself on all the non-Jews already resident there. They would go to bed as normal then wake up one day and find they had a new Jewish government, unelected, and hostile to Arabs.

I'd reject that, any sane self respecting leader would reject that being done to their population.

The Zionists rejected the other idea, a single state with a democratically elected government where all the people got to vote in whether they be Arab, Egyptian, Jewish, European etc. - a democratic state, that gave equal rights to all its people.

That single state solution was rejected out of hand by the Zionists, they never wanted a state with Zionist representation in parliament, they wanted a Zionist Government - big difference.

"Israel" was never a Jewish ambition, it was a European ambition and it got embraced by European Jews, secular socialist minded Jews who had no affinity with the Levant or its culture, it did not spring from Judaism, from the Jews already dwelling the Levant, it was foreign ideology, imported and forced upon the indigenous population and feared by Arab and Jew alike.

A foreign colonial power (Britain with the UN) was planning to create a new state carved out of territory.....

Taken from the Ottoman Empire.

The Arabs could have had about half of what was left after Jordan received 77% of the Mandate, but they whined and cried like babies. How'd that work out for them?

Those people were never afforded a democratic vote to choose the government!

They could have formed a government, like the Jews did. They cried and whined instead.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Every rocket fired from Gaza is a war crime.
Why did the UN continue to provide money and support to
the war criminals in Gaza?

Not necessarily, there's a war or haven't you heard? Why is the US giving money and weapons to the war criminals in israel?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

You wanted the allies before 1939 to attack Germany?

Is that what I said?

It sounded like you wanted the Arabs to attack the Jews at the start of the Third Reich.

I see, so that's what you think it sounded like.

Based on your previously posted hatred of the Jews, I thought that's what you meant.

Well you thought wrong.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

There was no Israeli presence of any kind in Gaza for 20 years

It was a 100% muslim show

And what did the arabs do with their freedom?

They started a war

Where do you get your child like understanding of history?

 

[Slyhunter]

Sherlock Holmes You don't argue in good faith. What do you think would happen if terrorist found out we wouldn't attack them if they hide within civilian structures and/or use civilian shields? Every terrorist on the planet would do that. We killed civilians defeating Germany during wwII. If you refuse to do so you lose they win.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Sherlock Holmes You don't argue in good faith. What do you think would happen if terrorist found out we wouldn't attack them if they hide within civilian structures and/or use civilian shields? Every terrorist on the planet would do that. We killed civilians defeating Germany during wwII. If you refuse to do so you lose they win.

Are you responding to one of my posts? if you take issue with something I said, quote me and I'll happily discuss. As it stands this is just a vague general disapproval of my position.

There's the claim that Hamas use "human shields" all I've said is that they'd never do that because the Israelis don't care, even if the human shields were Israeli soldiers, they don't care, such "shields" afford zero protection, therefore the claim itself, about Hamas doing it must be false.

As for civilians in WW2 I agree, but when our enemy does it its terrorism, when we do it it's noble. This is simply "the ends justify the means" doctrine, if that's a valid concept then how can Hamas be wrong? their end is to destroy the Zionist yoke over the Palestinian population, in WW2 it was to destroy the Nazis yoke over Europe.

 

[Slyhunter]

Are you responding to one of my posts? if you take issue with something I said, quote me and I'll happily discuss. As it stands this is just a vague general disapproval of my position.

There's the claim that Hamas use "human shields" all I've said is that they'd never do that because the Israelis don't care, even if the human shields were Israeli soldiers, they don't care, such "shields" afford zero protection, therefore the claim itself, about Hamas doing it must be false.

As for civilians in WW2 I agree, but when our enemy does it its terrorism, when we do it it's noble. This is simply "the ends justify the means" doctrine, if that's a valid concept then how can Hamas be wrong? their end is to destroy the Zionist yoke over the Palestinian population, in WW2 it was to destroy the Nazis yoke over Europe.

this was in reply to you bitching about Israel killing civilians. Surely you remember what you said.

 

[Sunni Man]

The freedom fighters in Gaza have exposed Israel as a terrorist state engaged in genocide.
Now the entire world is turning it's back on Israel.
Only the U.S. is still an ally.
Mainly because Israel owns the American government.
.........................................................................................................................................

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

this was in reply to you bitching about Israel killing civilians. Surely you remember what you said.

I post a lot, on many threads, I could go and trawl back up in this thread but it's just polite to quote the actual post your responding to, I simply don't know which post your talking about, if you can't or won't tell me then that's your choice. I'm happy to discuss any post but you must tell me which one!

 

[José]

I'd offer them nothing.

And that's why you got this:

 

[Slyhunter]

I post a lot, on many threads, I could go and trawl back up in this thread but it's just polite to quote the actual post your responding to, I simply don't know which post your talking about, if you can't or won't tell me then that's your choice. I'm happy to discuss any post but you must tell me which one!

I already told you. You have a problem with Israel killing civilians but you don't have a problem with Hamas using them as shields or setting up camp in or under civilian structures.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

this was in reply to you bitching about Israel killing civilians. Surely you remember what you said.

I just looked because I can see your are in a difficult personal situation, and there are quite a few posts of mine already in here, some talk about civilians, I just don't know what exactly you're asking me.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I already told you. You have a problem with Israel killing civilians but you don't have a problem with Hamas using them as shields or setting up camp in or under civilian structures.

Well I'll respond to this then. I think civilians should not be killed, period. I don't approve of Hamas killing them or Israel killing them. But likewise, I don't consider Israel's stated justifications are better than Hamas's stated justifications.

They are both terrorism, and each side is doing it. I do not embrace the naive narrative that Israel are the "goodies" and Hamas are the "baddies".