peace proposal : 50% of Palestinian lands conquered by the Israelis given back, and halting of the settlement expansion.

[rosends]

That is Christian theology.
The Jews do not believe in a returning Messiah.
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His post didn't say "returning." He wrote til the messiah comes. Jews do await the coming of the Messiah.

 

[Foxfyre]

The vast majority of Israeli Jews are secular.
Only the small percentage of orthodox Jews are religious.

You are just digging yourself deeper in your self-created hole that you don't have a clue what you're talking about. And you have yet to provide a shred of evidence to support your views.

100% of orthodox Jews are religious dear. That's what an orthodox Jew is though Jews who do not identify as orthodox can also be religious. And the majority of Israelis are religious to some degree. Certainly to the degree they believe God gave Israel that land and it is a holy land to them.

 

[rosends]

I'll readily condemn Hamas if you tell me what are the criteria for condemnation? tell me, what qualifies as a condemnable act?

Start with firing rockets into civilian targets. Then move to operating from within a civilian population. Add fighting without wearing a uniform (masquerading as a civilian) then you can add suppressing its population through violence. You know... War crimes.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

If you think that then you haven't studied the peace plans.

Arafat didn't negotiate - he just kept saying no

Ever since the start of the second Palestinian intifada, a row has raged over who was responsible for the breakdown of the peace process. Now, for the first time, former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak has weighed in, accusing Yasser Arafat of being a liar who talked peace while secretly...

www.theguardian.com

Ahh, a Benny Morris piece, what a surprise!

Here's Morris debating Finkelstein and learning some actual history in the process.



He who has an ear, let him hear.

 

[rosends]

Ahh Benny Morris, what a surprise!

Here's Morris debating Finkelstein and learning some actual history in the process.

Morris conducted an interview. I guess it is easier to reject the questioner than read the answers.

 

[Sunni Man]

100% of orthodox Jews are religious dear.

That's exactly what I said:
"Only the small percentage of orthodox Jews are religious"
I didn't say:
Only a small percentage of orthodox Jews are religious.
Pay attention, dear

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There has never been a 2 state solution.
The Israeli's won't allow the Palestinian people to have their own state.
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They already have Jordan.

 

[rosends]

That's exactly what I said:
"Only the small percentage of orthodox Jews are religious"
I didn't say:
Only a small percentage of orthodox Jews are religious.
Pay attention, dear

16 percent, with 33 percent being secular.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yea, bogus peace plans where Israel got all the things they wanted and the Palestinians got the left overs.

The leftovers would be a lot more than they can hope for today.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I think that was absolutely a valid approach, if we had done that at the start of the Third Reich think how many lives would have been saved.

We? Which Arab country do you call home?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Start with firing rockets into civilian targets.

Why "rockets" specifically? are you saying bombs dropped from the air in other ways are fine to kill civilians? need not be condemned?

Then move to operating from within a civilian population.

Why is that a concern? why condemn that?

Add fighting without wearing a uniform (masquerading as a civilian) then you can add suppressing its population through violence. You know... War crimes.

Again, how can not wearing a uniform be something to condemn?

 

[Failzero]

Land for peace is not viable anymore ( Unless it’s the Ukraine )

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

We? Which Arab country do you call home?

I'm speaking as a Briton, if Germany's enemies had thwarted the Third Reich earlier then a huge number of lives would have been saved.

 

[Foxfyre]

That's exactly what I said:
"Only the small percentage of orthodox Jews are religious"
I didn't say:
Only a small percentage of orthodox Jews are religious.
Pay attention, dear

Holy cow You really can't read. Oh my.

 

[Stryder50]

peace proposal : 50% of Palestinian lands conquered by the Israelis given back, and halting of the settlement expansion.

would that be enough for the Palestinians, i wonder?

That was basically the plan/situation in 1948.
Muslim/Arab neighbors rejected such in favor of attempting to wipe out all the Jews and erase Israel.

They have tried several more times since.

History shows how that turned out.

 

[Stryder50]

peace proposal : 50% of Palestinian lands conquered by the Israelis given back, and halting of the settlement expansion.

would that be enough for the Palestinians, i wonder?

No!

It has more to do with Islamic agenda to convert whole world, all humankind, to Islam, and implement Shira global wide.

Ideology/religion differences are the stumble stone here.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

That was basically the plan/situation in 1948.
Muslim/Arab neighbors rejected such in favor of attempting to wipe out all the Jews and erase Israel.

They have tried several more times since.

History shows how that turned out.

Of course they rejected it, they had a right to reject it. A foreign colonial power (Britain with the UN) was planning to create a new state carved out of territory where over a million Arabs already lived and had homes. Those people were never afforded a democratic vote to choose the government!

The government was to be a Zionist led government, imposing itself on all the non-Jews already resident there. They would go to bed as normal then wake up one day and find they had a new Jewish government, unelected, and hostile to Arabs.

I'd reject that, any sane self respecting leader would reject that being done to their population.

The Zionists rejected the other idea, a single state with a democratically elected government where all the people got to vote in whether they be Arab, Egyptian, Jewish, European etc. - a democratic state, that gave equal rights to all its people.

That single state solution was rejected out of hand by the Zionists, they never wanted a state with Zionist representation in parliament, they wanted a Zionist Government - big difference.

"Israel" was never a Jewish ambition, it was a European ambition and it got embraced by European Jews, secular socialist minded Jews who had no affinity with the Levant or its culture, it did not spring from Judaism, from the Jews already dwelling the Levant, it was foreign ideology, imported and forced upon the indigenous population and feared by Arab and Jew alike.

 

[rosends]

Why "rockets" specifically?

Because that's what they use. Are you OK with it?

are you saying bombs dropped from the air in other ways are fine to kill civilians? need not be condemned?

I'm answering what you said about condemning Hamas. Why mention anything else?

Why is that a concern? why condemn that?

Because it is a war crime. But I guess you approve of it.

Again, how can not wearing a uniform be something to condemn?

It is a war crime not to wear a uniform

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://digital-commons.usnwc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1572%26context%3Dils%23:~:text%3DSince%2520civilians%2520are%2520not%2520lawful,to%2520commit%2520hostilities%2520constitutes%2520perfidy.&ved=2ahUKEwiOldC07K6HAxWh8LsIHdjHCAYQFnoECBUQBg&usg=AOvVaw1lExft_6CuWqWALpoXdRjK

Footnote 23.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Because that's what they use. Are you OK with it?

No no no, we're talking about criteria for killing civilians, you talking about the specific methods of killing civilians. The criteria for condemnation has to be based on outcomes not methods, at least if we're striving to be equitable that is, are you?

 

[Failzero]

Israel should control all of Gaza for 10 years ( then consider giving Palestinian control over 2/3 of it ( With an Israeli controlled Buffer Zone )