Destroy bds and its supporters

[RoccoR]

"Indofred, et al,

Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, was defined the the LoN Palestine Order in Council.

UNITED NATIONS SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON PALESTINE

Palestine..I did exist before Israel?

(COMMENT)

There is a very direct relationship to the Mandate of Palestine and the limits of the Palestine Order in Council. are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

PART I.

PRELIMINARY.​

Title.1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.​

It is a very similar definition to that used by the Arab Palestinian: The territory under which the Mandate Applied before its termination.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[pbel]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yah, you keep getting this wrong.

[R

I don't see the Arab-Palestinians as the defenders at all.​

The Palestinians are at home in their own country fighting with foreigners. That is defensive.

You don't make any sense.

(COMMENT)

As was stated in Posting #120, it may have been their home, but was not their sovereignty.

In addition to the invasion by the by all the surrounding Islamic State, the Arab-Palestinian insurgency consisting of the Holy War Army (HWA) and the The Arab Liberation Army (ALA). The HWA, which had a Waffen SS Officer as a principle leader, Hasan Salama (Co-founder). The ALA was led by a former Captain (awarded the Majidi Medal, and the Iron Cross 2dClass) in the 12th Ottoman Corps (WWI) and awarded the rank of a Colonel of the Wehrmacht.

The Ottoman Empire did not surrender to the Arab Palestinians (on the side of the German Army in both World Wars), nor did the Turkish Government as the Ottoman successor. They surrendered to the Allied Powers. And it was the Allied Powers that wrote the League of Nations Charter, convened the San Remo Convention, wrote the Mandate for Palestine and the Palestine Order in Council.

The Provisional Government of the State of Israel exercised the right of self-determination; and complete the "Step Preparatory to Independence" as suggested by the General Assembly. The right of self-determination is not exclusive to the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R[/QUOTE]
You are a ZioNazi, and clearly wacked.

 

[Hossfly]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yah, you keep getting this wrong.

[R

I don't see the Arab-Palestinians as the defenders at all.​

The Palestinians are at home in their own country fighting with foreigners. That is defensive.

You don't make any sense.

(COMMENT)

As was stated in Posting #120, it may have been their home, but was not their sovereignty.

In addition to the invasion by the by all the surrounding Islamic State, the Arab-Palestinian insurgency consisting of the Holy War Army (HWA) and the The Arab Liberation Army (ALA). The HWA, which had a Waffen SS Officer as a principle leader, Hasan Salama (Co-founder). The ALA was led by a former Captain (awarded the Majidi Medal, and the Iron Cross 2dClass) in the 12th Ottoman Corps (WWI) and awarded the rank of a Colonel of the Wehrmacht.

The Ottoman Empire did not surrender to the Arab Palestinians (on the side of the German Army in both World Wars), nor did the Turkish Government as the Ottoman successor. They surrendered to the Allied Powers. And it was the Allied Powers that wrote the League of Nations Charter, convened the San Remo Convention, wrote the Mandate for Palestine and the Palestine Order in Council.

The Provisional Government of the State of Israel exercised the right of self-determination; and complete the "Step Preparatory to Independence" as suggested by the General Assembly. The right of self-determination is not exclusive to the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are a ZioNazi, and clearly wacked.[/QUOTE]
Quite right, old chap. Off ya go now.

 

[Roudy]

So you did not see the AP reports of the tunnels dug underneath schools in Israel and packed with H.E.. The detonators fixed in place and the wires running back to the buildings in gaza.
Actually they are not legitimate, if they where then you would not be bleating about the return of fire by the IDF and the casualty lists

Israel is the belligerent occupation. That is the aggressive position.

Wrong again as it is defensive, and as the UN resolutions show it is the arab muslims that are belligerent.

Israel is defending its belligerent occupation. That is aggression.

pbel and Humanity are talking about the occupation of the West Bank. Your idea of the occupation, Tinmore, is not what the rest of the world recognizes.

Over 40 countries do not recognize Israel. Countries close to Israel like Lebanon, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Tunisia do not. Egypt and Jordan are paid to recognize Israel without the support of their people. The Palestinians do not. Perhaps they know something that some of the more distant countries do not.

Most of the Muslim shithole countries don't recognize Israel. What a fucking surprise!

 

[Hossfly]

Israel is the belligerent occupation. That is the aggressive position.

Wrong again as it is defensive, and as the UN resolutions show it is the arab muslims that are belligerent.

Israel is defending its belligerent occupation. That is aggression.

pbel and Humanity are talking about the occupation of the West Bank. Your idea of the occupation, Tinmore, is not what the rest of the world recognizes.

Over 40 countries do not recognize Israel. Countries close to Israel like Lebanon, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Tunisia do not. Egypt and Jordan are paid to recognize Israel without the support of their people. The Palestinians do not. Perhaps they know something that some of the more distant countries do not.

Most of the Muslim shithole countries don't recognize Israel. What a fucking surprise!

It's so small they can't find it.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I don't see the Arab-Palestinians as the defenders at all.

The threat of continuous conflict was made by the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) in early 1948.

P F Tinmore, et al,

The State of Israel holds member status in the UN. (The UN accorded Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations.)

Chapter VII --- Article 51 --- UN Charter

Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defense shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.
​

Phoenall, et al,

Normally, I would say that two "wrongs" don't make a "right."

(COMMENT)

But if the Palestinian standard is by "ALL NECESSARY MEANS AT THEIR DISPOSAL" --- then --- Israel should use that amount of force necessary to mitigate a HAMAS hostile activity, compel compliance in refraining from acts of war, to contain future activity, or to protect the Israeli sovereignty and citizenry from harm. The key is the assessment and comparison of the relationship between: The concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated --- versus --- incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects. Remembering that "“utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations” constitutes a war crime in international armed conflicts."

Most Respectfully,
R

But if the Palestinian standard is by "ALL NECESSARY MEANS AT THEIR DISPOSAL" --- then --- Israel should use that amount of force necessary to mitigate a HAMAS hostile activity,...​

No they shouldn't.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

(COMMENT)

The 1514 (XV) Resolution does not nullify the inherent right to self-defense when an aggressor fires on and attacks a member nation.

The Charter has legal standing; equivalent to a treaty. General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 United Nations and Decolonization, is a written motion that cannot progress into a law (inherently and explicitly non-binding). It records the sense of the General Assembly.

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but the Palestinians are the defenders not the aggressors. How does your post fit that scenario?

(COMMENT)

It does not matter when you adjust the timeframe to. The AHC essentially said:

• The Arabs of Palestine cannot recognize the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine or any situation arising or derived therefrom.
• They consider that imposing international alien immigrants on their country by force is nothing but an act of aggression and invasion, whether made by Jews themselves, through Great Britain, or by the United Nations.
• The creation of any Jewish state in an Arab territory is more than invasion or aggression, it is something with no precedent in history. It is an act of wiping out the existence of an Arab country, violating its integrity, subjecting its land and people to foreign Jewish domination. “

The AHC essentially threaten:

• The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
• The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

The Arab Palestinian (Enemy Population in post-WWI), disagreed with the decisions and outcomes in the post-War surrendered territory of the Ottoman Empire. In not getting what they wanted, by not cooperating with the Mandatory over the territory, and in rejecting nearly every compromise/overture the Mandatory made, the Arab-Palestinian opened a conflict.

The Jewish were encouraged to immigrate by the Government Palestine (the Mandatory). Nothing in the Definition of Aggression, and in particular Article 3, could in any way prejudice the right to self-determination (exercised by the Jewish in May 1948), freedom and independence (having completed the steps preparatory to Independence), as derived from the Charter.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't see the Arab-Palestinians as the defenders at all.​

The Palestinians are at home in their own country fighting with foreigners. That is defensive.

You don't make any sense.

He doesn't make any sense? You're the one calling Israelis foreigners in their own country.

Palestinians are the obvious aggressors. It's very simple, if they stopped attacking Israel, there would be no more warfare between the two.

But what would Hamas be without continuous war? They need war so Palestinian civilians can die and they can maintain their 'eternal victim; status. This way they can keep fooling the world and continue getting more aid.

It's not mine or anyone else's fault that you're too brainwashed to see that.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yah, you keep getting this wrong.

[R

I don't see the Arab-Palestinians as the defenders at all.​

The Palestinians are at home in their own country fighting with foreigners. That is defensive.

You don't make any sense.

(COMMENT)

As was stated in Posting #120, it may have been their home, but was not their sovereignty.

In addition to the invasion by the by all the surrounding Islamic State, the Arab-Palestinian insurgency consisting of the Holy War Army (HWA) and the The Arab Liberation Army (ALA). The HWA, which had a Waffen SS Officer as a principle leader, Hasan Salama (Co-founder). The ALA was led by a former Captain (awarded the Majidi Medal, and the Iron Cross 2dClass) in the 12th Ottoman Corps (WWI) and awarded the rank of a Colonel of the Wehrmacht.

The Ottoman Empire did not surrender to the Arab Palestinians (on the side of the German Army in both World Wars), nor did the Turkish Government as the Ottoman successor. They surrendered to the Allied Powers. And it was the Allied Powers that wrote the League of Nations Charter, convened the San Remo Convention, wrote the Mandate for Palestine and the Palestine Order in Council.

The Provisional Government of the State of Israel exercised the right of self-determination; and complete the "Step Preparatory to Independence" as suggested by the General Assembly. The right of self-determination is not exclusive to the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are a ZioNazi, and clearly wacked.[/QUOTE]
The fact that you attack a poster who is always polite and has never insulted anyone says a lot about you Pbel. Can't handle the truth again? Go to bed little boy.

 

[Roudy]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yah, you keep getting this wrong.

[R

I don't see the Arab-Palestinians as the defenders at all.​

The Palestinians are at home in their own country fighting with foreigners. That is defensive.

You don't make any sense.

(COMMENT)

As was stated in Posting #120, it may have been their home, but was not their sovereignty.

In addition to the invasion by the by all the surrounding Islamic State, the Arab-Palestinian insurgency consisting of the Holy War Army (HWA) and the The Arab Liberation Army (ALA). The HWA, which had a Waffen SS Officer as a principle leader, Hasan Salama (Co-founder). The ALA was led by a former Captain (awarded the Majidi Medal, and the Iron Cross 2dClass) in the 12th Ottoman Corps (WWI) and awarded the rank of a Colonel of the Wehrmacht.

The Ottoman Empire did not surrender to the Arab Palestinians (on the side of the German Army in both World Wars), nor did the Turkish Government as the Ottoman successor. They surrendered to the Allied Powers. And it was the Allied Powers that wrote the League of Nations Charter, convened the San Remo Convention, wrote the Mandate for Palestine and the Palestine Order in Council.

The Provisional Government of the State of Israel exercised the right of self-determination; and complete the "Step Preparatory to Independence" as suggested by the General Assembly. The right of self-determination is not exclusive to the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are a ZioNazi, and clearly wacked.

The fact that you attack a poster who is always polite and has never insulted anyone says a lot about you Pbel. Can't handle the truth again? Go to bed little boy.[/QUOTE]

Ya can't take Little Mussolini Peeballs seriously.

 

[Roudy]

Ten years and hundreds of millions of dollars, and the Bowel Dicharge Syndrome of BDS has accomplished less than nothing. Israel is as vibrant, strong, and prosperous as ever.

 

[Hossfly]

Ten years and hundreds of millions of dollars, and the Bowel Dicharge Syndrome of BDS has accomplished less than nothing. Israel is as vibrant, strong, and prosperous as ever.

When is the next flotilla? Anyone heard?

 

[Indofred]

I find it odd that a tiny bastard of a country with a population of little over 7 million can cause so much trouble in the world.
All Israelis should be given a US passport, fuck off over there and leave the land they invaded.
They run the US anyway, so no bugger will notice the difference.

 

[Roudy]

I find it odd that a tiny bastard of a country with a population of little over 7 million can cause so much trouble in the world.
All Israelis should be given a US passport, fuck off over there and leave the land they invaded.
They run the US anyway, so no bugger will notice the difference.

I find it odd that a religion created by an illiterate terrorist continues to produce such a vast number of Neanderthal Islamic baboons like Indofart, even 1400 years later.

 

[Indofred]

I think it is time to destroy Israel. Billions of people are being affected for the advantage of a few million.
As I don't believe in mass murder, they whole Israeli population should be issued with US passports and allowed to leave peacefully.

 

[Phoenall]

Read what I replied to and you will have your answer

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The State of Israel holds member status in the UN. (The UN accorded Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations.)

Chapter VII --- Article 51 --- UN Charter

Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defense shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.
​

Phoenall, et al,

Normally, I would say that two "wrongs" don't make a "right."

If they target children and use illegal weapons then it is terrorism and they can be pounded into dust for employing such methods.

(COMMENT)

But if the Palestinian standard is by "ALL NECESSARY MEANS AT THEIR DISPOSAL" --- then --- Israel should use that amount of force necessary to mitigate a HAMAS hostile activity, compel compliance in refraining from acts of war, to contain future activity, or to protect the Israeli sovereignty and citizenry from harm. The key is the assessment and comparison of the relationship between: The concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated --- versus --- incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects. Remembering that "“utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations” constitutes a war crime in international armed conflicts."

Most Respectfully,
R

But if the Palestinian standard is by "ALL NECESSARY MEANS AT THEIR DISPOSAL" --- then --- Israel should use that amount of force necessary to mitigate a HAMAS hostile activity,...​

No they shouldn't.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

(COMMENT)

The 1514 (XV) Resolution does not nullify the inherent right to self-defense when an aggressor fires on and attacks a member nation.

The Charter has legal standing; equivalent to a treaty. General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 United Nations and Decolonization, is a written motion that cannot progress into a law (inherently and explicitly non-binding). It records the sense of the General Assembly.

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but the Palestinians are the defenders not the aggressors. How does your post fit that scenario?

since when has firing illegal weapons at child facilities like schools and kindergartens been defence. As you have been asked many times in the past show one instance where the Palestinians have defended themselves that was not a response to their aggression.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I don't see the Arab-Palestinians as the defenders at all.

The threat of continuous conflict was made by the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) in early 1948.

P F Tinmore, et al,

The State of Israel holds member status in the UN. (The UN accorded Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations.)

Chapter VII --- Article 51 --- UN Charter

Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defense shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.
​

Phoenall, et al,

Normally, I would say that two "wrongs" don't make a "right."

(COMMENT)

But if the Palestinian standard is by "ALL NECESSARY MEANS AT THEIR DISPOSAL" --- then --- Israel should use that amount of force necessary to mitigate a HAMAS hostile activity, compel compliance in refraining from acts of war, to contain future activity, or to protect the Israeli sovereignty and citizenry from harm. The key is the assessment and comparison of the relationship between: The concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated --- versus --- incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects. Remembering that "“utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations” constitutes a war crime in international armed conflicts."

Most Respectfully,
R

But if the Palestinian standard is by "ALL NECESSARY MEANS AT THEIR DISPOSAL" --- then --- Israel should use that amount of force necessary to mitigate a HAMAS hostile activity,...​

No they shouldn't.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

(COMMENT)

The 1514 (XV) Resolution does not nullify the inherent right to self-defense when an aggressor fires on and attacks a member nation.

The Charter has legal standing; equivalent to a treaty. General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 United Nations and Decolonization, is a written motion that cannot progress into a law (inherently and explicitly non-binding). It records the sense of the General Assembly.

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, but the Palestinians are the defenders not the aggressors. How does your post fit that scenario?

(COMMENT)

It does not matter when you adjust the timeframe to. The AHC essentially said:

• The Arabs of Palestine cannot recognize the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine or any situation arising or derived therefrom.
• They consider that imposing international alien immigrants on their country by force is nothing but an act of aggression and invasion, whether made by Jews themselves, through Great Britain, or by the United Nations.
• The creation of any Jewish state in an Arab territory is more than invasion or aggression, it is something with no precedent in history. It is an act of wiping out the existence of an Arab country, violating its integrity, subjecting its land and people to foreign Jewish domination. “

The AHC essentially threaten:

• The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
• The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

The Arab Palestinian (Enemy Population in post-WWI), disagreed with the decisions and outcomes in the post-War surrendered territory of the Ottoman Empire. In not getting what they wanted, by not cooperating with the Mandatory over the territory, and in rejecting nearly every compromise/overture the Mandatory made, the Arab-Palestinian opened a conflict.

The Jewish were encouraged to immigrate by the Government Palestine (the Mandatory). Nothing in the Definition of Aggression, and in particular Article 3, could in any way prejudice the right to self-determination (exercised by the Jewish in May 1948), freedom and independence (having completed the steps preparatory to Independence), as derived from the Charter.

Most Respectfully,
R

I don't see the Arab-Palestinians as the defenders at all.​

The Palestinians are at home in their own country fighting with foreigners. That is defensive.

You don't make any sense.

So you are saying arab muslims that had only lived in Palestine for 6 months are at home in their own country while Jews who had lived there for the past 100 years are foreigners. That is aggressive genocidal behaviour on the part of the arab muslims and they should be evicted by the UN from Palestine.
Firing illegal weapons at Israeli children is not defensive is it, it is terrorism

 

[Phoenall]

UNITED NATIONS SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON PALESTINE

Palestine..I did exist before Israel?

When did modern Palestine come into existence then ?

 

[rhodescholar]

I think it is time ...

...to put this worthless c-nt on ignore.....DONE.

 

[RoccoR]

indofred, et al,

Now this is really helpful; and a bit of an exaggeration. (Really --- Billions?)

I think it is time to destroy Israel. Billions of people are being affected for the advantage of a few million.
As I don't believe in mass murder, they whole Israeli population should be issued with US passports and allowed to leave peacefully.

(COMMENT)

This would be bowing to the Islamic terrorist coercion and requiring the accomplishment of an impossible task --- undoing the the 100 year old decision to put into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917; the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.

As the Palestinians are fond of reminding us, the universal realization of the right of all peoples, including the Jewish People, to the right of self-determination, which is a fundamental condition for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights and for the preservation and promotion of such rights.

Peace of Westphalia (1648) was an important step towards respecting the sovereignty of other nation. In practice for contemporary times, the philosophy is locked within the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) and Charter of the United Nations, whose Chapter I --- Article 2(4) prohibits attacks on “political independence and territorial integrity,” and whose Article 2(7) sharply restricts intervention. Since the ratification and accession by General Assembly resolution 2200A (XXI) which (is the ICCPR in GA form) entered into force 23 March 1976 [three decades after the General Assembly adopted A/RES/181(II)], there have been three basic tenants to the modern philosophy: (with Optional Protocols)

1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

2. All peoples may, for their own ends, freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources without prejudice to any obligations arising out of international economic co-operation, based upon the principle of mutual benefit, and international law. In no case may a people be deprived of its own means of subsistence.

3. The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories, shall promote the realization of the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations.
​

The War of Israeli Independence of 1948-49, began within hours, the Jewish state was attacked by the League of Arab States [(Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordan) (in addition to the native Palestinians)]. Since that time, Israel has been defending itself from the Lebanon based Hezbollah (designated terrorists), and various faction of native Palestinians (successors to the Holy War Army and the Arab Liberation Army); under Article 51 of the Charter.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

I think it is time to destroy Israel. Billions of people are being affected for the advantage of a few million.
As I don't believe in mass murder, they whole Israeli population should be issued with US passports and allowed to leave peacefully.

The whole of islam should be issued with one way tickets to mars and shipped there at the earliest opportunity, then the rest of the world can li8ve in peace and safety. More people are affected by the aggressive nature of islam and the violence it pursues than are affected by Jewish actions