Destroy bds and its supporters

[Phoenall]

Get it right the world recognises the state of Palestine and wants it to declare its intentions, then it can stop funding Palestinian terrorism and violence,

Responding to violence and illegal weapons is not terrorism, terrorism is when you dig tunnels under schools and plan to blow them up full of children. This is what you support and defend when you say that there is no Palestinian terrorism

I haven't seen any reports of civilians being attacked through those tunnels.

All of the attacks have been on soldiers which is perfectly legitimate.

So you did not see the AP reports of the tunnels dug underneath schools in Israel and packed with H.E.. The detonators fixed in place and the wires running back to the buildings in gaza.
Actually they are not legitimate, if they where then you would not be bleating about the return of fire by the IDF and the casualty lists

Israel is the belligerent occupation. That is the aggressive position.

Wrong again as it is defensive, and as the UN resolutions show it is the arab muslims that are belligerent.

Why does anyone reply to this idiot? He's been caught lying so many times that he has become a character called Phoney...

A pathetic propagandist probably paid by Mossad, what a waste of money!

You know you have the islamomorons and neo Marxist stooges beaten when they start telling lies about you.

 

[Phoenall]

I haven't seen any reports of civilians being attacked through those tunnels.

All of the attacks have been on soldiers which is perfectly legitimate.

So you did not see the AP reports of the tunnels dug underneath schools in Israel and packed with H.E.. The detonators fixed in place and the wires running back to the buildings in gaza.
Actually they are not legitimate, if they where then you would not be bleating about the return of fire by the IDF and the casualty lists

Israel is the belligerent occupation. That is the aggressive position.

Wrong again as it is defensive, and as the UN resolutions show it is the arab muslims that are belligerent.

Why does anyone reply to this idiot? He's been caught lying so many times that he has become a character called Phoney...

A pathetic propagandist probably paid by Mossad, what a waste of money!

Ignore is your friend.

Yep it allows you to be a complete coward and not have to answer any pointed questions.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well again you have a half-truth.

Israel has undertaken this effort to protect and secure its citizens and their sovereignty; from a people that cannot refrain from the use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of Israel or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of the State of Israel and the State of Palestine (alla 1988).

Israel is defending against a faction of government which by designed conducts such operations that provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act
committed with the aim of:

- seriously intimidating a population, or

- unduly compelling a Government to perform or abstain from performing any act, or

- seriously destabilizing or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organization.
​

Israel is defending its belligerent occupation. That is aggression.

(PRELUDE)

On May 16, Egyptian President Nasser asking the UN Emergency Force (UNEF) to withdraw its forces from Sinai.
On May 22, The Egyptian President closed the Straits of Tiran; done at the suggestion of King Hussein of Jordan.
On May 30, Egyptian-Jordanian conclude a Mutual Defense Treaty.
On May 30, Egyptian-Iraqi concluded a Mutual Defense Treaty.
The Syrians denounced Mutual Defense Treaty and refused to sign.
In May, Egyptian General Abdul Moneim Riad had moved over 100,000 troops into the Sinai opposite Israeli forces.

On 5 June, Prime Minister Levi Eshkol sent a message to King Hussein saying Israel would not attack Jordan unless he initiated hostilities.

That same morning, Jordanian Air Defense RADAR detects a large flight of fast moving aircraft on route from Egypt to Israel. Believing that these aircraft were Egyptian Fighter Bombers on the attack, King Hussein orders his west bank artillery to open-up a barrage on West Jerusalem. The aircraft were, in fact, Israeli on their return from their mission over enemy air fields.

The Jordanian Artillery triggered the Israeli forces to enter the West Bank and silence all Jordanian forces.

(COMMENT)

In that regard, the Israeli Forces occupied the Jordanian West Bank (not Palestinian Territory). Similarly, Israeli Forces occupied the Egyptian Military Governorship of the Gaza Strip (not Palestinian Territory).

Since 1995, and the adoption of the Oslo Accords, Area "C" and possibly Area "B" were the only areas in the West Bank under occupation (except for Israeli Jerusalem). Since 2005, the Gaza Strip has not been Occupied. The "territory is occupied only when it is actually under the control and administration of an occupant and extends only to those areas in which he is actually able to exercise such control. There must be no authority exercised other than that imposed or allowed by the occupier, that local forces are no longer effective in the area, that the population is disarmed, and that the Occupying Power is ‘effectively maintaining law and order with the troops available or easily secured to assist in the task if needed. In this respect, ‘while invasion represents mere penetration of hostile territory, occupation implies the existence of definite control over the area involved."

It is important to remember that:

In respect of the law governing occupation, the recognition that an Occupying Power may enact penal provisions and take measures ‘to ensure the security of the Occupying Power, of the members and property of the occupying forces or administration, and likewise of the establishments and lines of communication’ reflects the unlawful nature of most resistance activities. (Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 64(2); and Articles 65–68.) SOURCE: – Use of force during occupation: law enforcement and conduct of hostilities
​

Finally, the establishment of a Belligerent Occupation is not an Act of Aggression. In the case of the State of Palestine, the state was formed under the occupation, not placed under occupation.

Most Respectfully,
R

Same old bullshit...The Arabs never recognized Israel as a State on their land...That was a fact then.. A Western dominated UN by the Victors of World War II sanctioned the Colonial fiat by Britain...

The Palestinians were disenfranchised...

Sure I'd like them to make peace...Israel should be thankful for peace offers by the Arabs and Israel will never accept a peace because they will never give back control of what they conquered in the 67 land grab...

By the way I just read a news story about how Israel has lost its influence (i.e. AIPAC influence) amongst Democrats in Congress, there is hope!

And just what international law says the arabs must recognise Israel then ?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well again you have a half-truth.

Israel has undertaken this effort to protect and secure its citizens and their sovereignty; from a people that cannot refrain from the use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of Israel or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of the State of Israel and the State of Palestine (alla 1988).

Israel is defending against a faction of government which by designed conducts such operations that provoke or encourage and threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act
committed with the aim of:

- seriously intimidating a population, or

- unduly compelling a Government to perform or abstain from performing any act, or

- seriously destabilizing or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organization.
​

Israel is defending its belligerent occupation. That is aggression.

(PRELUDE)

On May 16, Egyptian President Nasser asking the UN Emergency Force (UNEF) to withdraw its forces from Sinai.
On May 22, The Egyptian President closed the Straits of Tiran; done at the suggestion of King Hussein of Jordan.
On May 30, Egyptian-Jordanian conclude a Mutual Defense Treaty.
On May 30, Egyptian-Iraqi concluded a Mutual Defense Treaty.
The Syrians denounced Mutual Defense Treaty and refused to sign.
In May, Egyptian General Abdul Moneim Riad had moved over 100,000 troops into the Sinai opposite Israeli forces.

On 5 June, Prime Minister Levi Eshkol sent a message to King Hussein saying Israel would not attack Jordan unless he initiated hostilities.

That same morning, Jordanian Air Defense RADAR detects a large flight of fast moving aircraft on route from Egypt to Israel. Believing that these aircraft were Egyptian Fighter Bombers on the attack, King Hussein orders his west bank artillery to open-up a barrage on West Jerusalem. The aircraft were, in fact, Israeli on their return from their mission over enemy air fields.

The Jordanian Artillery triggered the Israeli forces to enter the West Bank and silence all Jordanian forces.

(COMMENT)

In that regard, the Israeli Forces occupied the Jordanian West Bank (not Palestinian Territory). Similarly, Israeli Forces occupied the Egyptian Military Governorship of the Gaza Strip (not Palestinian Territory).

Since 1995, and the adoption of the Oslo Accords, Area "C" and possibly Area "B" were the only areas in the West Bank under occupation (except for Israeli Jerusalem). Since 2005, the Gaza Strip has not been Occupied. The "territory is occupied only when it is actually under the control and administration of an occupant and extends only to those areas in which he is actually able to exercise such control. There must be no authority exercised other than that imposed or allowed by the occupier, that local forces are no longer effective in the area, that the population is disarmed, and that the Occupying Power is ‘effectively maintaining law and order with the troops available or easily secured to assist in the task if needed. In this respect, ‘while invasion represents mere penetration of hostile territory, occupation implies the existence of definite control over the area involved."

It is important to remember that:

In respect of the law governing occupation, the recognition that an Occupying Power may enact penal provisions and take measures ‘to ensure the security of the Occupying Power, of the members and property of the occupying forces or administration, and likewise of the establishments and lines of communication’ reflects the unlawful nature of most resistance activities. (Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 64(2); and Articles 65–68.) SOURCE: – Use of force during occupation: law enforcement and conduct of hostilities
​

Finally, the establishment of a Belligerent Occupation is not an Act of Aggression. In the case of the State of Palestine, the state was formed under the occupation, not placed under occupation.

Most Respectfully,
R

from a people that cannot refrain from the use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of Israel​

What international boundaries of Israel have the Palestinians ever violated?

None as they exist inside the International borders as set down by the LoN Mandate of Palestine, this makes them fifth columnists and illegal immigrants.

 

[Phoenall]

I think those who have known you for years know that the BDS movement is right up your alley since you have always been a big bully when it has come to Israel but have had nothing to say about all the murdering which has gone on in the Muslim world against innocent people. If it doesn't involve the Jews, your lips are sealed.

BDS Bullying Delegitimizing and Slandering?

Hoss, I believe America should stop meddling in the ME and arming everybody to kill each other and creating backlashes and terrorism for us in America.

If Israel by bullying ALL her neighbors for land is what they do then let them do it without our arms or consent...

I am an American Firster!

Yeah sure, you are an American firster whose only concern on these forums seems to be about Israel and nothing the Muslims are doing to others. Tell me another good one, Pbel.

What other boards are you on? The Israeli/Palestinian conflict has killed many Americans...Terrorism has killed Americans in our shores and you support more of the same. Infamy I say!

No, Islamic extremism has killed Americans. You really have a deranged way of thinking, which of course is normal considering you are a pro Palestinian.
You are an American who support an anti American people who have held plenty 'Death to America' rallies while burning the American flag. You support a people who celebrated 9/11 on the streets. You support a people who are happy when innocent Americans are killed.

toast, my blithering idiot friend, I only support America which has indeed suffered Terrorism on our shores because we ARM Israel, that uses those arms to kill Muslims...

I want America to get stop arming all sides, every friend there has become our enemy, including Israel.

Why don't you tell the truth for once and admit you want the Palestinians to be given every weapon going including nuclear so they can finish the job started in the 1930's. This way you think you wont have the blood of 12 million on your hands

 

[Phoenall]

So you did not see the AP reports of the tunnels dug underneath schools in Israel and packed with H.E.. The detonators fixed in place and the wires running back to the buildings in gaza.
Actually they are not legitimate, if they where then you would not be bleating about the return of fire by the IDF and the casualty lists

Israel is the belligerent occupation. That is the aggressive position.

Wrong again as it is defensive, and as the UN resolutions show it is the arab muslims that are belligerent.

Israel is defending its belligerent occupation. That is aggression.

pbel and Humanity are talking about the occupation of the West Bank. Your idea of the occupation, Tinmore, is not what the rest of the world recognizes.

Over 40 countries do not recognize Israel. Countries close to Israel like Lebanon, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Tunisia do not. Egypt and Jordan are paid to recognize Israel without the support of their people. The Palestinians do not. Perhaps they know something that some of the more distant countries do not.

So how many nations don't recognise the state of Palestine in its entirety, not the non member observer state but the actual state ?

 

[Phoenall]

The language is clear, let me repeat:

4. Affirms once again its recognition of the legitimacy of the struggle
of the peoples under colonial and alien domination to exercise their right to
self-determination and independence by all the necessary means at their
disposal;"

The actions of peoples under colonial and alien domination against the oppressive government are not terrorism. Terrorist actions are the actions of the alien dominator.

Then you cant complain when ALL NECESSARY MEANS AT THEIR DISPOSAL is used back at them by Israel can you

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

There are about a half dozen of these Resolutions that use that language or similar language.

United Nations
A/RES/41/41

General Assembly
Distr. GENERAL

2 December 1986

ORIGINAL:
ENGLISH


A/RES/41/41
2 December 1986
92nd plenary meeting


Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting
of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples​

4. Affirms once again its recognition of the legitimacy of the struggle
of the peoples under colonial and alien domination to exercise their right to
self-determination and independence by all the necessary means at their
disposal;"

A RES 41 41. Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples

(COMMENT)

You cannot interpret that language as authority to use terrorism or violate the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States (A/RES/25/2625).

You will notice that none of these General Assembly Resolutions have the force of law and none supersede Security Council Resolution 1624 (2005) pertains to incitement to commit acts of terrorism, calling on UN Member States to prohibit it by law, prevent such conduct and deny safe haven to anyone "with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct."

1. Calls upon all States to adopt such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to:

(a) Prohibit by law incitement to commit a terrorist act or acts;
(b) Prevent such conduct;
(c) Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been guilty of such conduct;​

5. Declares that acts, methods, and practices of terrorism are contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations and that knowingly financing, planning and inciting terrorist acts are also contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations; SOURCE: UN Security Council Resolution 1373 (2001) ​

Don't rely on this Implementation policy (A/RES/41/41) 1986. It does not have the force of law in the same way as a UNSCR. Second and most important is that there is a question if Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries even applies to the State of Palestine, as it has already "exercise their right to self-determination and independence." That would be 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence (ANNEX III): (A/43/827 - S/20278 18 NOV 88)

By virtue of the natural, historical and legal right of the Palestinian Arab people to its homeland, Palestine, and of the sacrifices of its succeeding generations in defence of the freedom and independence of that homeland,

Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and

Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.​

Most Respectfully,
R

The struggle for national independence is not terrorism.

Virtually all of your post is irrelevant.

If they target children and use illegal weapons then it is terrorism and they can be pounded into dust for employing such methods.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I see.

Over 40 countries do not recognize Israel. Countries close to Israel like Lebanon, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Tunisia do not. Egypt and Jordan are paid to recognize Israel without the support of their people. The Palestinians do not. Perhaps they know something that some of the more distant countries do not.

(COMMENT)

Just look at the state of affairs of some these countries that voted "NO" to Resolution 273 (III) Admission.

..............................................................N AFGHANISTAN WAR: Impoverished and one of the least developed country, one of the world's poorest
Y ARGENTINA
Y AUSTRALIA
.................................A BELGIUM
Y BOLIVIA
.................................A BRAZIL
..............................................................N BURMA Internal conflict -- Bilateral ceasefire agreements with the majority of the ethnic armed groups
Y BYELORUSSIAN SSR
Y CANADA
Y CHILE
Y CHINA
Y COLOMBIA
Y COSTA RICA
Y CUBA
Y CZECHOSLOVAKIA
.................................A DENMARK
Y DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
Y ECUADOR
..............................................................N EGYPT Just now Stabilizing from Arab Spring.
A EL SALVADOR
..............................................................N ETHIOPIA ISIS Targets Ethiopian Workers; Ruling Party Stays in Power
Y FRANCE
.................................A GREECE
Y GUATEMALA
Y HAITI
Y HONDURAS
Y ICELAND
..............................................................N INDIA GOOD SHAPE
..............................................................N IRAN I Islamic Fundamentalist Country
..............................................................N IRAQ Cannot defend itself, under siege by ISIS
..............................................................N LEBANON Fair Shape, under threat by Hezbollah
Y LIBERIA
Y LUXEMBOURG
Y MEXICO
Y NETHERLANDS
Y NEW ZEALAND
Y NICARAGUA
Y NORWAY
..............................................................N PAKISTAN Every other person is a insurgent
Y PANAMA
Y PARAGUAY
Y PERU
Y PHILIPPINES
Y POLAND
..............................................................N SAUDI ARABIA GOOD SHAPE
................................A SIAM
................................A SWEDEN
..............................................................N SYRIA In a state of WAR domestically
................................A TURKEY
Y UKRAINIAN SSR
Y UNION OF SOUTH AFRICA
Y USSR
................................A UNITED KINGDOM
Y UNITED STATES
Y URUGUAY
Y VENEZUELA
..............................................................N YEMEN Failed Nation in Civil War
Y YUGOSLAVIA



Most Respectfully,
R

Voting to place a European population on another continent and removing the people living there is a good thing?

It must be as you live in America formed by colonial invasion and violence

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

The Resolution is not Law. It does not supersede LAW.

First: the critical links between development and security. Nothing can justify terrorism — ever. No grievance, no goal, no cause can excuse terrorist acts. At the same time, we must remove the conditions that feed the problem.
Secretary General

The language is clear, let me repeat:

4. Affirms once again its recognition of the legitimacy of the struggle
of the peoples under colonial and alien domination to exercise their right to
self-determination and independence by all the necessary means at their
disposal;"

The actions of peoples under colonial and alien domination against the oppressive government are not terrorism. Terrorist actions are the actions of the alien dominator.

(COMMENT)

You can incite and attempt to justify terrorism all you want. The fact of the matter is, The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) is a criminal Enterprise, Islamic Extremists, and Terrorist activity.

Most Respectfully,
R​

No, it is a national liberation movement under international law. What some countries accuse Hamas of for political reasons doesn't change the facts.

Then cite the international law freddy boy so we can see it. As far as the ICC/ICJ is concerned no such law exists

SO YOU ARE CAUGHT OUT LYING AGAIN

 

[browsing deer]

The BSD movement has the Israelis hot and bothered is a very tiny group with a ton of cash. The Israelis regard any group that wants to kill them, no matter how tiny, as a very real threat. The Nazis, after all, had only 6 members before hitler joined up.

There world wide facebook presence is only 150,000 after years of recruitment, and a large part of that is fake. They had success on college campuses because students ignore college groups. But when the BDS scores successes like the did on UCLA a year ago, they galvanize opposition. This year the anti bds on UCLA scored 85%

The BDS worries the Israelis, as it should. It is a group of wormy evil we need to watch out for. But when folks wake up to them, they get smashed.

In England their representative in Parliament won a by election three years ago in a largely arab constituency. People there got an idea what he actually was and in the election last month he polled 4th. It shows the importance of paying attention

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Palestine (alla 1988) is not struggling for independence. They already have it.

The struggle for national independence is not terrorism.

Virtually all of your post is irrelevant.

(COMMENT)

A long as Palestinians think along those line, the longer the containment measures will be necessary.

Jihad is not the way.

Most Respectfully,
R

You can't be serious.

The UN and Internataional law IS VERY SERIOUS

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Palestine (alla 1988) is not struggling for independence. They already have it.

The struggle for national independence is not terrorism.

Virtually all of your post is irrelevant.

(COMMENT)

A long as Palestinians think along those line, the longer the containment measures will be necessary.

Jihad is not the way.

Most Respectfully,
R

That's what the supporters of Apartheid said. Rocco, be honest, you supported the Apartheid regime, didn't you.

LINK ?

 

[Phoenall]

Hey Rocco, you must know that the CIA helped the Apartheid state arrest the ANC "terrorist" Nelson Mandela. I am sure you were cheering after his arrest and the weakening of that terrorist organization, the ANC, which now rules South Africa.

"U.S. Lionizes Mandela In Death … But Labeled Him a Terrorist While He Was Alive"

But the New York Times reported in 1990:
C.I.A. TIE REPORTED IN MANDELA ARREST

C.I.A. TIE REPORTED IN MANDELA ARREST - NYTimes.com


Posted on December 6, 2013
The Central Intelligence Agency played an important role in the arrest in 1962 of Nelson Mandela, the African National Congress leader who was jailed for nearly 28 years before his release four months ago, a news report says.

The intelligence service, using an agent inside the African National Congress, provided South African security officials with precise information about Mr. Mandela’s activities that enabled the police to arrest him, said the account by the Cox News Service.

U.S. Lionizes Mandela In Death ... But Labeled Him a Terrorist While He Was Alive Washington s Blog

He should have been shot for his crimes, and thousands of innocent black South Africans would not have been murdered by his underlings

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

That is not what the vote was about.

Voting to place a European population on another continent and removing the people living there is a good thing?

(COMMENT)

The original intent was to the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people,.

The Principal Allied Powers, the Powers to which the Ottoman Empire and Turkish Government surrender to, have agreed, that one of the principle purposes of the Mandate was the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people. This was purpose was entrusted to a Mandatory, and given the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them.

In the end, General Assembly 181 (II) --- Future governments of Palestine, established the "Step Preparatory to Independence." The Arab Palestinian rejected the plan and declined to participate.

Part II
Boundaries
B. THE JEWISH STATE​

The north-eastern sector of the Jewish State (Eastern) Galilee) is bounded on the north and west by the Lebanese frontier and on the east by the frontiers of Syria and Transjordan. It includes the whole of the Hula Basin, Lake Tiberias, the whole of the Beisan sub-district, the boundary line being extended to the crest of the Gilboa mountains and the Wadi Malih. From there the Jewish State extends north-west, following the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

The Jewish Section of the coastal plain extends from a point between Minat et Qila and Nabi Yunis in the Gaza sub-district and includes the towns of Haifa and Tel-Aviv, leaving Jaffa as an enclave of the Arab State. The eastern frontier of the Jewish State follows the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

The Beersheba area comprises the whole of the Beersheba sub-district, including the Negeb and the eastern part of the Gaza sub-district, but excluding the town of Beersheba and those areas described in respect of the Arab State. It includes also a strip of land along the Dead Sea stretching from the Beersheba-Hebron sub-district boundary line to Ein Geddi, as described in respect of the Arab State.
​

Most respectfully,
R

So Rocco, you believe that it was just that the Western colonial powers enabled the colonization of Palestine by Europeans with the consequential removal of the existing inhabitants. Why don't you for once answer yes or no without deflecting.

Stop putting words in other peoples mouths LIAR

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

That is not what the vote was about.

Voting to place a European population on another continent and removing the people living there is a good thing?

(COMMENT)

The original intent was to the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people,.

The Principal Allied Powers, the Powers to which the Ottoman Empire and Turkish Government surrender to, have agreed, that one of the principle purposes of the Mandate was the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people. This was purpose was entrusted to a Mandatory, and given the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them.

In the end, General Assembly 181 (II) --- Future governments of Palestine, established the "Step Preparatory to Independence." The Arab Palestinian rejected the plan and declined to participate.

Part II
Boundaries
B. THE JEWISH STATE​

The north-eastern sector of the Jewish State (Eastern) Galilee) is bounded on the north and west by the Lebanese frontier and on the east by the frontiers of Syria and Transjordan. It includes the whole of the Hula Basin, Lake Tiberias, the whole of the Beisan sub-district, the boundary line being extended to the crest of the Gilboa mountains and the Wadi Malih. From there the Jewish State extends north-west, following the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

The Jewish Section of the coastal plain extends from a point between Minat et Qila and Nabi Yunis in the Gaza sub-district and includes the towns of Haifa and Tel-Aviv, leaving Jaffa as an enclave of the Arab State. The eastern frontier of the Jewish State follows the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

The Beersheba area comprises the whole of the Beersheba sub-district, including the Negeb and the eastern part of the Gaza sub-district, but excluding the town of Beersheba and those areas described in respect of the Arab State. It includes also a strip of land along the Dead Sea stretching from the Beersheba-Hebron sub-district boundary line to Ein Geddi, as described in respect of the Arab State.
​

Most respectfully,
R

The original intent was to the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people,.​

And fuck the natives.

A stupid move that has caused a hundred years (and counting) war.

The natives just so happened to be Jews, or did you forget that little fact

 

[aris2chat]

The BSD movement has the Israelis hot and bothered is a very tiny group with a ton of cash. The Israelis regard any group that wants to kill them, no matter how tiny, as a very real threat. The Nazis, after all, had only 6 members before hitler joined up.

There world wide facebook presence is only 150,000 after years of recruitment, and a large part of that is fake. They had success on college campuses because students ignore college groups. But when the BDS scores successes like the did on UCLA a year ago, they galvanize opposition. This year the anti bds on UCLA scored 85%

The BDS worries the Israelis, as it should. It is a group of wormy evil we need to watch out for. But when folks wake up to them, they get smashed.

In England their representative in Parliament won a by election three years ago in a largely arab constituency. People there got an idea what he actually was and in the election last month he polled 4th. It shows the importance of paying attention

churches turned it down, colleges have turned it down, in some places it is even illegal as it is considered racist.

It is annoying but hardly terrorizing Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I guess I'm just old fashion.

HAMAS commits criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or other nature that may be invoked to justify them;

P F Tinmore, et al,

Palestine (alla 1988) is not struggling for independence. They already have it.

The struggle for national independence is not terrorism.

Virtually all of your post is irrelevant.

(COMMENT)

A long as Palestinians think along those line, the longer the containment measures will be necessary.

Jihad is not the way.

Most Respectfully,
R

You can't be serious.

(COMMENT)

I tend to think that Israel has adopted measures in accordance with the relevant provisions of international law, including international standards of human rights, to prevent terrorism, and to strengthen international cooperation in combating terrorism.

HAMAS is a Chameleon. It changes it color when the situation demands it. It is Resistance Movement when it talks to people, it is an insurgency when it sneaks around and launched rockets in proximity to protected areas and residences. HAMAS is the victim when it suffers from retaliation. It is a jihadists when it sneaks across the border and kidnaps and kills innocent civilians, AND it can pretend that it is deaf, dumb, and blind about operations in the name of HAMAS. And I think it is time to prevent and suppress the HAMAS terrorist acts.

It is easy for some to hide behind the color of a freedom fighter. It is easy for HAMAS to suggest that they are the sole representative of the Palestinian People and totally disregard the progress to peace --- or even enter into a negotiation and peaceful settlement.

Most Respectfully,
R

I guess I am just old fashioned, I do not support the dispossession of homes from people that have been living there for several generations. I do not support the killing of women and children by Europeans just because the women and children are not European.

I don't like you, Rocco, consider non-Jews, especially women and children, as less than human whose murder by the thousands by Jews is acceptable.

unless those families are Jews and then you want to see them wiped out completely so you can steal their god and holy places

 

[Phoenall]

The BSD movement has the Israelis hot and bothered is a very tiny group with a ton of cash. The Israelis regard any group that wants to kill them, no matter how tiny, as a very real threat. The Nazis, after all, had only 6 members before hitler joined up.

There world wide facebook presence is only 150,000 after years of recruitment, and a large part of that is fake. They had success on college campuses because students ignore college groups. But when the BDS scores successes like the did on UCLA a year ago, they galvanize opposition. This year the anti bds on UCLA scored 85%

The BDS worries the Israelis, as it should. It is a group of wormy evil we need to watch out for. But when folks wake up to them, they get smashed.

In England their representative in Parliament won a by election three years ago in a largely arab constituency. People there got an idea what he actually was and in the election last month he polled 4th. It shows the importance of paying attention

He was a moron and the people saw through him that is why he was voted out. And it was a Pakistani/b
Bangladeshi area and they turned against him and voted in one of their own.

If you are going to make comments about t5he UK get your facts right first. Start with Galloway being an Islamic convert and extremist that was kicked out of parliament for breaching the rules too many times. Now he cant make anti semitic racist comments without being arrested and charged

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

I guess under this definition, I am in trouble. I am not Jewish. I'm a non-Practicing Roman Catholic.

I guess I am just old fashioned, I do not support the dispossession of homes from people that have been living there for several generations. I do not support the killing of women and children by Europeans just because the women and children are not European.

I don't like you, Rocco, consider non-Jews, especially women and children, as less than human whose murder by the thousands by Jews is acceptable.

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The people of Israel are multi-ethic, and multi-cultural; very diverse. My understanding is that in 2014, approximately three-quarters of the total Jewish population were born in Israel.

Most people would prefer that in combat, there were no accidental or collateral damage and casualties. But that is a bit outside the reality of war and conflict. Anytime one-side receives hostile fire from areas and locations that are densely populated by hostile forces intentionally operating in such proximity to take advantage of the immunity from a military response. Never made an effort to remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of Israeli military objectives (from the vicinity of targets of likely Israeli attacks).

It was not a case of the Israelis having no respect for the innocent population, but that HAMAS forces operating in the densely populated areas had nor care for the vulnerable; instead intentionally positioning there high value targets and launch positions such that their own population was placed in jeopardy.

The fixation you have on the fact that the vast majority of the endangered Jewish settlers encouraged to immigrate for the reconstitution of the Jewish National Home where from "Europe" --- is representative of the Arab Palestinian behaviorally obsessed with an attachment to the idea that the territorial sovereignty was exclusively theirs. Which was not the case then, and had not been the case for 8 centuries or more. The territory called Palestine, set within such boundaries as were be fixed by the Principle Allied Powers, were surrendered including the —Surrender of all garrisons in Hedjaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia to the nearest Allied Commander; and the withdrawal of troops from Cicilia, except those necessary to maintain order, as will be determined under Clause V (Article 16 --- Armistice of Mudros). And there was Articles 16 and 27 --- Treaty of Lausanne:

ARTICLE I6. --- TREATY OF PEACE WITH TURKEY SIGNED AT LAUSANNE

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighbourly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.
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ARTICLE 27 --- TREATY OF PEACE WITH TURKEY SIGNED AT LAUSANNE

No power or jurisdiction in political, legislative or administrative matters shall be exercised outside Turkish territory by the Turkish Government or authorities, for any reason whatsoever, over the nationals of a territory placed under the sovereignty or protectorate of the other Powers signatory of the present Treaty, or over the nationals of a territory detached from Turkey.

It is understood that the spiritual attributions of the Moslem religious authorities are in no way infringed.​

FINALLY:

In your sound bite, you used the term: Murder --- the intentional killing of another person without justification or valid excuse, as implied against Israel. That is a far cry and exceptionally different from Criminal Negligence --- failure to use reasonable care to avoid consequences that threaten or harm the safety of the public and that are the foreseeable outcome. In the case of HAMAS, which showed a wanton disregard for customary law and human life by intentionally locating military objectives within or near densely populated areas (Customary IHL Rule 23); and made no effort to remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military objectives (Customary IHL Rule 24).

Most Respectfully,
R