Bull Ring ding: Does work in physics require motion

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Are you assuming that energy is being added to the universe? Or is it that you are assuming the universe is an open system? I don't know anyone who assumes that.

There is no proof the universe is either a closed or isolated system, they are just ASSUMPTIONS. In the visible universe we can measure matter at the outer edges of the universe ACCELERATING away from us. Some FORCE is doing the WORK if the acceleration. Therefore MEASUREMENTS do NOT support the assumption of a closed or isolated universe.

Sure there is proof the universe began as a closed system. Friedman's solutions to Einstein's field equations, red shift and cosmic background radiation all tell us that approximately 14 billion years ago all matter and energy occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom. The curvature of space time tells us the universe is a closed system. So if all matter started from such a tiny space and then expanded and then bounced back or crunched back that too would support a closed system. And as such could not have been an infinite process. So therefore, the fate of the universe is thermal equilibrium. What exactly do you believe the fate of the universe is?

Perpetual Commotion.

Ready to concede?

I'm waiting for you to tell the truth first.

That's pretty ironic, Ed.

Ready to concede?

 

[edthecynic]

Ultimately, if the universe reaches a state in which the temperature approaches a uniform value, no further work will be possible, resulting in a final heat death of the universe.

IF pigs had wings....

There will NEVER be a state of the universe where no work can be dune.

Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and the Accelerating Universe | Astronomy 801: Planets, Stars, Galaxies, and the Universe

From your link, Ed...

At this point, let us reconsider the question of what will happen to the Universe over time. Right now, it is difficult to say, because we do not understand dark energy very well. However, it appears that, given the accelerating expansion of the Universe, the Universe will grow larger and larger and colder and colder. All of the luminous objects in the Universe will eventually die out, and the Universe will eventually end in a "Big Freeze," where it will be too cold to support any life.

So no mater if the universe is open, closed or isolated the fate of the universe is the same. And since we do not see this, this means the universe had a beginning.

Game, Set, Match.

Sorry, but "LIFE" is NOT the same as "WORK!"
But since you know nothing about science you would never know the difference.
The laws of thermodynamics are concerned with WORK and NOT life.

 

[edthecynic]

Ultimately, if the universe reaches a state in which the temperature approaches a uniform value, no further work will be possible, resulting in a final heat death of the universe.

IF pigs had wings....

There will NEVER be a state of the universe where no work can be dune.

You didn't address this one, Ed.

What Does The Expansion Of The Universe Tell Us About The Future?

"...Over a long enough period of time, this increasing speed of expansion means that the density of objects within the Universe will decrease. If every galaxy is increasingly distant from every other galaxy, images of galaxies outside our own Milky Way will also become increasingly out of date, as the light travel time also increases. If we pursue the increasing isolation of galaxies to its logical extreme, we arrive at an end-of-Universe scenario called “heat death”. Heat death arrives when a galaxy runs out of gas to form new stars, and the stars which remain are overwhelmingly either very faint red, brown, and black dwarf stars, black holes, or neutron stars. With no new gas able to arrive into the galaxy, the galaxy must end its star formation. Once the remaining red dwarfs and other stellar objects radiate away the last of their heat, and the entire Universe has reached a single, even temperature, we have arrived at the death of heat in our Universe. This is currently our Universe’s forecast for its eventual end state - and a direct consequence of having such a large amount of Dark Energy, pressing our Universe outwards into an ever-faster expansion..."

The Right-wing Forbes ragazine, a true bastion of science.

You mean Jillian Scudder, Assistant Professor in Physics & Astronomy at Oberlin College.

Your own link said the same thing. Checkmate

Learn to read, the end of life does not mean there will be no energy to do WORK!!!!!
Your phony thermal equilibrium says:

Ultimately, if the universe reaches a state in which the temperature approaches a uniform value, no further work will be possible, resulting in a final heat death of the universe.

not no further "life" will be possible.
But you still haven't learned that in physics WORK is a force through a distance.

But do make a fool of yourself by patting yourself on the back again.

 

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Ultimately, if the universe reaches a state in which the temperature approaches a uniform value, no further work will be possible, resulting in a final heat death of the universe.

IF pigs had wings....

There will NEVER be a state of the universe where no work can be dune.

Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and the Accelerating Universe | Astronomy 801: Planets, Stars, Galaxies, and the Universe

From your link, Ed...

At this point, let us reconsider the question of what will happen to the Universe over time. Right now, it is difficult to say, because we do not understand dark energy very well. However, it appears that, given the accelerating expansion of the Universe, the Universe will grow larger and larger and colder and colder. All of the luminous objects in the Universe will eventually die out, and the Universe will eventually end in a "Big Freeze," where it will be too cold to support any life.

So no mater if the universe is open, closed or isolated the fate of the universe is the same. And since we do not see this, this means the universe had a beginning.

Game, Set, Match.

Sorry, but "LIFE" is NOT the same as "WORK!"
But since you know nothing about science you would never know the difference.
The laws of thermodynamics are concerned with WORK and NOT life.

When the universe reaches thermal equilibrium no work is being done. The random motion of atoms is not performing work.

Your own link says the fate of the universe is the big freeze. Since we do not see this now we know the universe has not existed forever.

Say it with me Ed. The universe had a beginning.

 

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Ultimately, if the universe reaches a state in which the temperature approaches a uniform value, no further work will be possible, resulting in a final heat death of the universe.

IF pigs had wings....

There will NEVER be a state of the universe where no work can be dune.

You didn't address this one, Ed.

What Does The Expansion Of The Universe Tell Us About The Future?

"...Over a long enough period of time, this increasing speed of expansion means that the density of objects within the Universe will decrease. If every galaxy is increasingly distant from every other galaxy, images of galaxies outside our own Milky Way will also become increasingly out of date, as the light travel time also increases. If we pursue the increasing isolation of galaxies to its logical extreme, we arrive at an end-of-Universe scenario called “heat death”. Heat death arrives when a galaxy runs out of gas to form new stars, and the stars which remain are overwhelmingly either very faint red, brown, and black dwarf stars, black holes, or neutron stars. With no new gas able to arrive into the galaxy, the galaxy must end its star formation. Once the remaining red dwarfs and other stellar objects radiate away the last of their heat, and the entire Universe has reached a single, even temperature, we have arrived at the death of heat in our Universe. This is currently our Universe’s forecast for its eventual end state - and a direct consequence of having such a large amount of Dark Energy, pressing our Universe outwards into an ever-faster expansion..."

The Right-wing Forbes ragazine, a true bastion of science.

You mean Jillian Scudder, Assistant Professor in Physics & Astronomy at Oberlin College.

Your own link said the same thing. Checkmate

Learn to read, the end of life does not mean there will be no energy to do WORK!!!!!
Your phony thermal equilibrium says:

Ultimately, if the universe reaches a state in which the temperature approaches a uniform value, no further work will be possible, resulting in a final heat death of the universe.

not no further "life" will be possible.
But you still haven't learned that in physics WORK is a force through a distance.

But do make a fool of yourself by patting yourself on the back again.

When thermal equilibrium is reached the only motion will be the random motion of atoms. I already provided a link from Boston University which said exactly that. Do you have any expert testimony that contradicts this?

 

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The universe had a beginning.

 

[edthecynic]

Say it with me Ed. The universe had a beginning.

You say it with me first, ENERGY had no beginning and has no end.
That is what we are arguing about, ENERGY and NOT the universe.
The universe of space/time having a beginning is your Straw Man for every time you have to admit energy can be neither created nor destroyed!!!

 

[edthecynic]

IF pigs had wings....

There will NEVER be a state of the universe where no work can be dune.

You didn't address this one, Ed.

What Does The Expansion Of The Universe Tell Us About The Future?

"...Over a long enough period of time, this increasing speed of expansion means that the density of objects within the Universe will decrease. If every galaxy is increasingly distant from every other galaxy, images of galaxies outside our own Milky Way will also become increasingly out of date, as the light travel time also increases. If we pursue the increasing isolation of galaxies to its logical extreme, we arrive at an end-of-Universe scenario called “heat death”. Heat death arrives when a galaxy runs out of gas to form new stars, and the stars which remain are overwhelmingly either very faint red, brown, and black dwarf stars, black holes, or neutron stars. With no new gas able to arrive into the galaxy, the galaxy must end its star formation. Once the remaining red dwarfs and other stellar objects radiate away the last of their heat, and the entire Universe has reached a single, even temperature, we have arrived at the death of heat in our Universe. This is currently our Universe’s forecast for its eventual end state - and a direct consequence of having such a large amount of Dark Energy, pressing our Universe outwards into an ever-faster expansion..."

The Right-wing Forbes ragazine, a true bastion of science.

You mean Jillian Scudder, Assistant Professor in Physics & Astronomy at Oberlin College.

Your own link said the same thing. Checkmate

Learn to read, the end of life does not mean there will be no energy to do WORK!!!!!
Your phony thermal equilibrium says:

Ultimately, if the universe reaches a state in which the temperature approaches a uniform value, no further work will be possible, resulting in a final heat death of the universe.

not no further "life" will be possible.
But you still haven't learned that in physics WORK is a force through a distance.

But do make a fool of yourself by patting yourself on the back again.

When thermal equilibrium is reached the only motion will be the random motion of atoms. I already provided a link from Boston University which said exactly that. Do you have any expert testimony that contradicts this?

As long as there is motion (kinetic energy) there is useful energy to do work (a force through a distance).

 

[edthecynic]

When the universe reaches thermal equilibrium no work is being done. The random motion of atoms is not performing work.

Work in physics is NOT a job kind of work, in physics work is a force through a distance. So a bunch of atoms randomly bumping into each other IS doing WORK as defined in physics, and is the "perpetual commotion" I stated for the fate of the universe.

 

[ding]

You didn't address this one, Ed.

What Does The Expansion Of The Universe Tell Us About The Future?

"...Over a long enough period of time, this increasing speed of expansion means that the density of objects within the Universe will decrease. If every galaxy is increasingly distant from every other galaxy, images of galaxies outside our own Milky Way will also become increasingly out of date, as the light travel time also increases. If we pursue the increasing isolation of galaxies to its logical extreme, we arrive at an end-of-Universe scenario called “heat death”. Heat death arrives when a galaxy runs out of gas to form new stars, and the stars which remain are overwhelmingly either very faint red, brown, and black dwarf stars, black holes, or neutron stars. With no new gas able to arrive into the galaxy, the galaxy must end its star formation. Once the remaining red dwarfs and other stellar objects radiate away the last of their heat, and the entire Universe has reached a single, even temperature, we have arrived at the death of heat in our Universe. This is currently our Universe’s forecast for its eventual end state - and a direct consequence of having such a large amount of Dark Energy, pressing our Universe outwards into an ever-faster expansion..."

The Right-wing Forbes ragazine, a true bastion of science.

You mean Jillian Scudder, Assistant Professor in Physics & Astronomy at Oberlin College.

Your own link said the same thing. Checkmate

Learn to read, the end of life does not mean there will be no energy to do WORK!!!!!
Your phony thermal equilibrium says:

Ultimately, if the universe reaches a state in which the temperature approaches a uniform value, no further work will be possible, resulting in a final heat death of the universe.

not no further "life" will be possible.
But you still haven't learned that in physics WORK is a force through a distance.

But do make a fool of yourself by patting yourself on the back again.

When thermal equilibrium is reached the only motion will be the random motion of atoms. I already provided a link from Boston University which said exactly that. Do you have any expert testimony that contradicts this?

As long as there is motion (kinetic energy) there is useful energy to do work (a force through a distance).

Where is your expert testimony that work is being done when the universe reaches a uniform temperature?

 

[ding]

When the universe reaches thermal equilibrium no work is being done. The random motion of atoms is not performing work.

Work in physics is NOT a job kind of work, in physics work is a force through a distance. So a bunch of atoms randomly bumping into each other IS doing WORK as defined in physics, and is the "perpetual commotion" I stated for the fate of the universe.

Random motion of atoms is not performing work. So says BU.

 

[ding]

Say it with me Ed. The universe had a beginning.

You say it with me first, ENERGY had no beginning and has no end.
That is what we are arguing about, ENERGY and NOT the universe.
The universe of space/time having a beginning is your Straw Man for every time you have to admit energy can be neither created nor destroyed!!!

Inflation theory says otherwise. So does the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It is possible for energy to be created from nothing through a quantum tunneling event which does not violate the law of conservation because the negative energy of the gravity of the matter exactly compensates the positive energy of the matter such that the net energy of the universe is zero. There is even an elegant equation which describes it. Quantum mechanics states that anything which does not violate the law of conservation will necessarily occur with some non-zero probability. You lose again.

 

[edthecynic]

The Right-wing Forbes ragazine, a true bastion of science.

You mean Jillian Scudder, Assistant Professor in Physics & Astronomy at Oberlin College.

Your own link said the same thing. Checkmate

Learn to read, the end of life does not mean there will be no energy to do WORK!!!!!
Your phony thermal equilibrium says:

Ultimately, if the universe reaches a state in which the temperature approaches a uniform value, no further work will be possible, resulting in a final heat death of the universe.

not no further "life" will be possible.
But you still haven't learned that in physics WORK is a force through a distance.

But do make a fool of yourself by patting yourself on the back again.

When thermal equilibrium is reached the only motion will be the random motion of atoms. I already provided a link from Boston University which said exactly that. Do you have any expert testimony that contradicts this?

As long as there is motion (kinetic energy) there is useful energy to do work (a force through a distance).

Where is your expert testimony that work is being done when the universe reaches a uniform temperature?

My "expert" testimony is the basic physics definitions for the terms we are using. I'm not surprised you know nothing about the terms you are using.

 

[edthecynic]

Say it with me Ed. The universe had a beginning.

You say it with me first, ENERGY had no beginning and has no end.
That is what we are arguing about, ENERGY and NOT the universe.
The universe of space/time having a beginning is your Straw Man for every time you have to admit energy can be neither created nor destroyed!!!

Inflation theory says otherwise. So does the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It is possible for energy to be created from nothing through a quantum tunneling event which does not violate the law of conservation because the negative energy of the gravity of the matter exactly compensates the positive energy of the matter such that the net energy of the universe is zero. There is even an elegant equation which describes it. Quantum mechanics states that anything which does not violate the law of conservation will necessarily occur with some non-zero probability. You lose again.

Inflation says no such thing, your lie has already been exposed by your own quote. Two kinds of energy in equal amounts does not mean neither kind of energy exists. Each kind of energy is SOMETHING, and their sum is 2 somethings, not 2 nothings.
Why can't you see just how STUPID your misinterpretation of inflation is???????

 

[edthecynic]

When the universe reaches thermal equilibrium no work is being done. The random motion of atoms is not performing work.

Work in physics is NOT a job kind of work, in physics work is a force through a distance. So a bunch of atoms randomly bumping into each other IS doing WORK as defined in physics, and is the "perpetual commotion" I stated for the fate of the universe.

Random motion of atoms is not performing work. So says BU.

Quote BU saying that, you liar made in the image of God.
How many times have I told you name dropping does not work in physics?????

 

[ding]

You mean Jillian Scudder, Assistant Professor in Physics & Astronomy at Oberlin College.

Your own link said the same thing. Checkmate

Learn to read, the end of life does not mean there will be no energy to do WORK!!!!!
Your phony thermal equilibrium says:

Ultimately, if the universe reaches a state in which the temperature approaches a uniform value, no further work will be possible, resulting in a final heat death of the universe.

not no further "life" will be possible.
But you still haven't learned that in physics WORK is a force through a distance.

But do make a fool of yourself by patting yourself on the back again.

When thermal equilibrium is reached the only motion will be the random motion of atoms. I already provided a link from Boston University which said exactly that. Do you have any expert testimony that contradicts this?

As long as there is motion (kinetic energy) there is useful energy to do work (a force through a distance).

Where is your expert testimony that work is being done when the universe reaches a uniform temperature?

My "expert" testimony is the basic physics definitions for the terms we are using. I'm not surprised you know nothing about the terms you are using.

But you are applying them all wrong to the cosmological fate of the universe, dipshit. That’s why your own link literally describes exactly what I have been telling you and you have zero subject matter experts that you can point to that says the universe won’t end in thermal equilibrium.

 

[ding]

When the universe reaches thermal equilibrium no work is being done. The random motion of atoms is not performing work.

Work in physics is NOT a job kind of work, in physics work is a force through a distance. So a bunch of atoms randomly bumping into each other IS doing WORK as defined in physics, and is the "perpetual commotion" I stated for the fate of the universe.

Random motion of atoms is not performing work. So says BU.

Quote BU saying that, you liar made in the image of God.
How many times have I told you name dropping does not work in physics?????

You have no one you can point to that agrees with you that the cosmological fate has the universe is not thermal equilibrium. In fact the only expert you have relied upon agrees with me that the cosmological fate of the universe is thermal equilibrium.

 

[ding]

Say it with me Ed. The universe had a beginning.

You say it with me first, ENERGY had no beginning and has no end.
That is what we are arguing about, ENERGY and NOT the universe.
The universe of space/time having a beginning is your Straw Man for every time you have to admit energy can be neither created nor destroyed!!!

Inflation theory says otherwise. So does the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It is possible for energy to be created from nothing through a quantum tunneling event which does not violate the law of conservation because the negative energy of the gravity of the matter exactly compensates the positive energy of the matter such that the net energy of the universe is zero. There is even an elegant equation which describes it. Quantum mechanics states that anything which does not violate the law of conservation will necessarily occur with some non-zero probability. You lose again.

Inflation says no such thing, your lie has already been exposed by your own quote. Two kinds of energy in equal amounts does not mean neither kind of energy exists. Each kind of energy is SOMETHING, and their sum is 2 somethings, not 2 nothings.
Why can't you see just how STUPID your misinterpretation of inflation is???????

Inflation theory says exactly that. That matter and energy were created from nothing through a quantum tunneling event that did not violate the laws of conservation.

Prove me wrong. Provide a link that disagrees with what I have told you.

Because I have already provided numerous links and videos of subject matter experts who say exactly what I have told you. They are the ones I got it from.

 

[edthecynic]

Learn to read, the end of life does not mean there will be no energy to do WORK!!!!!
Your phony thermal equilibrium says:
not no further "life" will be possible.
But you still haven't learned that in physics WORK is a force through a distance.

But do make a fool of yourself by patting yourself on the back again.

When thermal equilibrium is reached the only motion will be the random motion of atoms. I already provided a link from Boston University which said exactly that. Do you have any expert testimony that contradicts this?

As long as there is motion (kinetic energy) there is useful energy to do work (a force through a distance).

Where is your expert testimony that work is being done when the universe reaches a uniform temperature?

My "expert" testimony is the basic physics definitions for the terms we are using. I'm not surprised you know nothing about the terms you are using.

But you are applying them all wrong to the cosmological fate of the universe, dipshit. That’s why your own link literally describes exactly what I have been telling you and you have zero subject matter experts that you can point to that says the universe won’t end in thermal equilibrium.

Only if in physics WORK equals LIFE, which it doesn't, which only proves you LITERALLY have invented your own definitions for everything. Physics does not use your definitions for anything!!!!!
And subject matter "experts" count for bupkus in physics.

 

[ding]

When thermal equilibrium is reached the only motion will be the random motion of atoms. I already provided a link from Boston University which said exactly that. Do you have any expert testimony that contradicts this?

As long as there is motion (kinetic energy) there is useful energy to do work (a force through a distance).

Where is your expert testimony that work is being done when the universe reaches a uniform temperature?

My "expert" testimony is the basic physics definitions for the terms we are using. I'm not surprised you know nothing about the terms you are using.

But you are applying them all wrong to the cosmological fate of the universe, dipshit. That’s why your own link literally describes exactly what I have been telling you and you have zero subject matter experts that you can point to that says the universe won’t end in thermal equilibrium.

Only if in physics WORK equals LIFE, which it doesn't, which only proves you LITERALLY have invented your own definitions for everything. Physics does not use your definitions for anything!!!!!
And subject matter "experts" count for bupkus in physics.

Are you arguing against the link you provided?

Got any links that support your belief that the cosmological fate of the universe does not end in thermal equilibrium?