Do Federal/State/Local Governments Create Jobs?

[bripat9643]

We the people formed that government....it is us

Word nit. The government "is" not us. It is from us, funded by some of us, elected by some of us, and staffed by some of us. Big difference. I know exactly what you mean but, the term "is" means the definition of the term follows.

It is not correct to say government creates jobs as if government is separate from "us" which is the implication proffered by some of the folks in the left. For example, the president saying you didn't build that... He implied government built that, not the taxpayers. Maybe he meant you didn't build that by yourself. But that's not how he said it, nor is it how it was taken.

However, you could say we create jobs with our money. We create some great works and some not so great works with out money. That works. Or you could say we create government jobs with our money. That works too.

If you want to say the government doesn't create jobs, We the People create jobs......go for it

Doesn't negate the fact that the government takes money from We the People to provide services. Those services create jobs

Taking the money destroys more jobs than the government "creates." You turds will never admit that.

Bottom line: the net number of jobs government creates is less than zero.

How would you fund the military?

He is an anarchist........rape, pillage and plunder

You mean like the Union Army during the Civil War? It appears government didn't solve that problem.

 

[bripat9643]

I've heard many GOPers say they don't. However, I feel strongly that they do. All one has to do is think about it for a minute and the answer should become obvious. However, the biggest job creators are consumers with money to spend.

That's what's wrong, you "think about it for a minute" and go with the obvious and wrong answer. Liberalism in a nutshell, not thinking things through. An ideology which is well intentioned and poorly conceived.

What is evident if you actually think it through rather than cut off thinking in one minute is that all money spent by government was removed from the economy. That means every job created destroyed one and no job was created.

Then if you continue to think about it, you realize that government creates nothing. You took the money to fund the job from someone who used it to create a profit and grow the economy. Now you realize that every government job created destroyed more than one job.

And the best thing a government employee can do economically is nothing. But they don't, they create more red tape and bureaucracy for job creators. So now they are destroying even more than that.

So, you can think for one minute and believe the obvious, which is wrong. Or you can think it through and realize we need to reduce government jobs to create more jobs.

The government doesn't create anything?
Roads,bridges, parks, schools, water systems, a military, airports.....

Creates millions of jobs

It doesn't create anything that wouldn't have been created by the private sector at a lower cost.

 

[Lakhota]

The poll is looking more favorable. The retards are losing...

 

[Lakhota]

Anyone wish we had a private sector military? How would that work? Would the Constitution allow it?

 

[bripat9643]

lol, the same people who say the government doesn't create jobs also say we have too many people working for the government.

In other words, you are saying most government employees are unemployable in the private sector. You may have a point there.

You mean veterans? Why do you hate our troops?

That isn't what I said. You're a stupid liar. You couldn't even understand your own words!

It wasn't what I said asshole.

Let's get it down to a level even you might be capable of navigating.

My city has 10 policemen. The city government decides they need 12, so they hire 2 new policemen.

1. Are those 2 new jobs?
2. Did the city government create them?

The city had to raise taxes to fund those to jobs and those taxes destroyed at least two other jobs, if not more.

 

[bripat9643]

Anyone wish we had a private sector military? How would that work? Would the Constitution allow it?

Read the link I posted, moron.

 

[Lakhota]

Anyone wish we had a private sector military? How would that work? Would the Constitution allow it?

Read the link I posted, moron.

Which link?

 

[bripat9643]

lol, the same people who say the government doesn't create jobs also say we have too many people working for the government.

In other words, you are saying most government employees are unemployable in the private sector. You may have a point there.

You mean veterans? Why do you hate our troops?

That isn't what I said. You're a stupid liar. You couldn't even understand your own words!

It wasn't what I said asshole.

Let's get it down to a level even you might be capable of navigating.

My city has 10 policemen. The city government decides they need 12, so they hire 2 new policemen.

1. Are those 2 new jobs?
2. Did the city government create them?

You said "lol, the same people who say the government doesn't create jobs also say we have too many people working for the government."

That implies that those government employees wouldn't be working if it were not for government jobs. It isn't my fault that you can't process simple concepts. You saying I was talking about the military and that I hate them proves you are stupid and an asshole. I did not use those words lightly.

That's the problem with debating these turds. The points you make go right over their heads or they just ignore them and pretend you never discredited their points.

 

[bripat9643]

Government wasn't created to provide jobs. That's apparently part of liberal dogma. There are things that only government can do or should do, police, military, safety and security. We are clearly well beyond that and to pretend that those jobs cannot be done in the private sector or even necessary is just faith. Further evidence that liberalism is a religion.

Yes, a public sector can create jobs through public policy decisions. FDR's brand of Socialism bailed out Capitalism, last millennium. Only the right has a problem with the concepts.

That's a big pile of propaganda.

 

[NYcarbineer]

lol, the same people who say the government doesn't create jobs also say we have too many people working for the government.

In other words, you are saying most government employees are unemployable in the private sector. You may have a point there.

You mean veterans? Why do you hate our troops?

That isn't what I said. You're a stupid liar. You couldn't even understand your own words!

It wasn't what I said asshole.

Let's get it down to a level even you might be capable of navigating.

My city has 10 policemen. The city government decides they need 12, so they hire 2 new policemen.

1. Are those 2 new jobs?
2. Did the city government create them?

The city had to raise taxes to fund those to jobs and those taxes destroyed at least two other jobs, if not more.

Was that a yes/yes, a yes/no, a no/yes, or a no/no?

...How great is it that these people are arguing that if it costs money to create a job, it isn't creating a job?

 

[WelfareQueen]

The Government is solely "We the People." If the Government "creates jobs" it is with our money. And yes, those Government drones work solely for "We the People."

If they feel they are working for a political party they should be fired immediately.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I've heard many GOPers say they don't. However, I feel strongly that they do. All one has to do is think about it for a minute and the answer should become obvious. However, the biggest job creators are consumers with money to spend.

That's what's wrong, you "think about it for a minute" and go with the obvious and wrong answer. Liberalism in a nutshell, not thinking things through. An ideology which is well intentioned and poorly conceived.

What is evident if you actually think it through rather than cut off thinking in one minute is that all money spent by government was removed from the economy. That means every job created destroyed one and no job was created.

Then if you continue to think about it, you realize that government creates nothing. You took the money to fund the job from someone who used it to create a profit and grow the economy. Now you realize that every government job created destroyed more than one job.

And the best thing a government employee can do economically is nothing. But they don't, they create more red tape and bureaucracy for job creators. So now they are destroying even more than that.

So, you can think for one minute and believe the obvious, which is wrong. Or you can think it through and realize we need to reduce government jobs to create more jobs.

The government doesn't create anything?
Roads,bridges, parks, schools, water systems, a military, airports.....

Creates millions of jobs

It doesn't create anything that wouldn't have been created by the private sector at a lower cost.

Jobs in the defense industry are often private sector jobs. Are you now claiming that they aren't jobs created by the government?

Who pays to have fighter jets built?

 

[bripat9643]

I'm sorry.......but discussing the merits of government with an anarchist is like discussing great restaurants with an anorexic

I always thought our soldiers, sailors, and airmen got paid. I didn't know they volunteered.

That doesn't mean government to them. They are only outraged about helping poor people

When did conservatives ever refuse to help anyone? You're just throwing crap against the wall when you say that.

The problem is that conservatives give by choice, liberals want giving to be done with force

I invite anyone to show us how a government would function if all taxation were voluntary.

Well, the massive welfare state you defend certainly couldn't exist. That's the whole point of it.

 

[bripat9643]

I've heard many GOPers say they don't. However, I feel strongly that they do. All one has to do is think about it for a minute and the answer should become obvious. However, the biggest job creators are consumers with money to spend.

That's what's wrong, you "think about it for a minute" and go with the obvious and wrong answer. Liberalism in a nutshell, not thinking things through. An ideology which is well intentioned and poorly conceived.

What is evident if you actually think it through rather than cut off thinking in one minute is that all money spent by government was removed from the economy. That means every job created destroyed one and no job was created.

Then if you continue to think about it, you realize that government creates nothing. You took the money to fund the job from someone who used it to create a profit and grow the economy. Now you realize that every government job created destroyed more than one job.

And the best thing a government employee can do economically is nothing. But they don't, they create more red tape and bureaucracy for job creators. So now they are destroying even more than that.

So, you can think for one minute and believe the obvious, which is wrong. Or you can think it through and realize we need to reduce government jobs to create more jobs.

The government doesn't create anything?
Roads,bridges, parks, schools, water systems, a military, airports.....

Creates millions of jobs

It doesn't create anything that wouldn't have been created by the private sector at a lower cost.

Jobs in the defense industry are often private sector jobs. Are you now claiming that they aren't jobs created by the government?

Who pays to have fighter jets built?

Like I said, for every one of those jobs the government "creates" it destroys two other jobs.

 

[bripat9643]

As stated, "we the people" do these things. Not the government.

We the people formed that government....it is us

Word nit. The government "is" not us. It is from us, funded by some of us, elected by some of us, and staffed by some of us. Big difference. I know exactly what you mean but, the term "is" means the definition of the term follows.

It is not correct to say government creates jobs as if government is separate from "us" which is the implication proffered by some of the folks in the left. For example, the president saying you didn't build that... He implied government built that, not the taxpayers. Maybe he meant you didn't build that by yourself. But that's not how he said it, nor is it how it was taken.

However, you could say we create jobs with our money. We create some great works and some not so great works with out money. That works. Or you could say we create government jobs with our money. That works too.

If you want to say the government doesn't create jobs, We the People create jobs......go for it

Doesn't negate the fact that the government takes money from We the People to provide services. Those services create jobs

It's a government of the People.

If the government doesn't create jobs, then the government doesn't create taxes either.

A great man once said........a government of the people, for the people and by the people shall not perish from this earth

You mean a mass murdering tyrant said that.

 

[Lakhota]

Government created the Internet - which created zillions of jobs!

The first workable prototype of the Internet came in the late 1960s with the creation of ARPANET, or the Advanced Research Projects Agency Network. Originally funded by the U.S. Department of Defense, ARPANET used packet switching to allow multiple computers to communicate on a single network.

Who invented the internet?

 

[bripat9643]

In other words, you are saying most government employees are unemployable in the private sector. You may have a point there.

You mean veterans? Why do you hate our troops?

That isn't what I said. You're a stupid liar. You couldn't even understand your own words!

It wasn't what I said asshole.

Let's get it down to a level even you might be capable of navigating.

My city has 10 policemen. The city government decides they need 12, so they hire 2 new policemen.

1. Are those 2 new jobs?
2. Did the city government create them?

The city had to raise taxes to fund those to jobs and those taxes destroyed at least two other jobs, if not more.

Was that a yes/yes, a yes/no, a no/yes, or a no/no?

...How great is it that these people are arguing that if it costs money to create a job, it isn't creating a job?

Apparently you're too stupid to understand my point.

 

[bripat9643]

Government created the Internet - which created zillions of jobs!

The first workable prototype of the Internet came in the late 1960s with the creation of ARPANET, or the Advanced Research Projects Agency Network. Originally funded by the U.S. Department of Defense, ARPANET used packet switching to allow multiple computers to communicate on a single network.

Who invented the internet?

Government didn't create the internet, moron. I contributed to a few parts needed to create the internet. Those were logical extensions of existing technology, so the private sector would have invented them anyway eventually.

 

[Lakhota]

Government created the Internet - which created zillions of jobs!

The first workable prototype of the Internet came in the late 1960s with the creation of ARPANET, or the Advanced Research Projects Agency Network. Originally funded by the U.S. Department of Defense, ARPANET used packet switching to allow multiple computers to communicate on a single network.

Who invented the internet?

Government didn't create the internet, moron. I contributed to a few parts needed to create the internet. Those were logical extensions of existing technology, so the private sector would have invented them anyway eventually.

Are you on drugs? Seriously!

 

[Lakhota]

NaziCon logic: It's irrelevant if the government created or helped create ANY jobs - because eventually the private sector would have created them anyway.