Zone1 Do most Jews believe they killed Jesus?

[norwegen]

My point was that Rome wouldn't execute someone because the priests asked them to.


Jesus preached about the coming Kingdom of God. What was to be Jesus' place in that kingdom?


The Romans wouldn't have cared what he meant, only what he said and not wanting peace meant war or rebellion.

Good god, you're dense. How you rationalize and ignore.

Christ was of no concern to Rome. To Jesus, Rome was only an army in his war against Judea.


Three points:

1. According to the New Testament, Rome executed at least one Jew because Jews demanded it.

2. Jesus' kingdom did not replace Rome or any other empire or country. It still doesn't. Or do you think a kingdom not of the world is a kingdom of the world?

3. Rome cared not one iota of any disputes among the tribal people.

 

[irosie91]

Nope. Rome didn't control the temple. Do you think the moneychangers were Romans?

they were roman shills----like Herod and the SADDUCEAN PRIESTS -----are you pretending to
be stupid? Herod did not kill John the Baptist because SALOME did not like him----he killed him
because JOHN opposed the Roman appointed KING just as Jesus opposed the ROMAN APPOINTED "priests" ----<<<that is well established history---not jelly bean BS

 

[surada]

they were roman shills----like Herod and the SADDUCEAN PRIESTS -----are you pretending to
be stupid? Herod did not kill John the Baptist because SALOME did not like him----he killed him
because JOHN opposed the Roman appointed KING just as Jesus opposed the ROMAN APPOINTED "priests" ----<<<that is well established history---not jelly bean BS

Herod Antipas was like a governor in the north. He wasn't a king at all. John the Baptist ridiculed and condemned the wife of Herod Antipas.

Sadducee | Description, Doctrines, & Facts

Sadducee, member of a Jewish priestly sect that flourished for about two centuries before the destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem in 70 ce. The Sadducees were the party of high priests, aristocratic families, and merchants—the wealthier elements of the population.

www.britannica.com

 

[irosie91]

Good god, you're dense. How you rationalize and ignore.

Christ was of no concern to Rome. To Jesus, Rome was only an army in his war against Judea.


Three points:

1. According to the New Testament, Rome executed at least one Jew because Jews demanded it.

2. Jesus' kingdom did not replace Rome or any other empire or country. It still doesn't. Or do you think a kingdom not of the world is a kingdom of the world?

3. Rome cared not one iota of any disputes among the tribal people.

right----ROME DID NOT CARE----which is why Pontius Pilate crucified THOUSANDS of pharisee Jews in something like 10 years of his term as "governor"

 

[irosie91]

Herod Antipas was like a governor in the north. He wasn't a king at all. John the Baptist ridiculed and condemned the wife of Herod Antipas.

Sadducee | Description, Doctrines, & Facts

Sadducee, member of a Jewish priestly sect that flourished for about two centuries before the destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem in 70 ce. The Sadducees were the party of high priests, aristocratic families, and merchants—the wealthier elements of the population.

www.britannica.com

wrong again----Herod was KING He spent very little time in the GALIL

 

[irosie91]

Herod Antipas was like a governor in the north. He wasn't a king at all. John the Baptist ridiculed and condemned the wife of Herod Antipas.

Sadducee | Description, Doctrines, & Facts

Sadducee, member of a Jewish priestly sect that flourished for about two centuries before the destruction of the Second Temple of Jerusalem in 70 ce. The Sadducees were the party of high priests, aristocratic families, and merchants—the wealthier elements of the population.

www.britannica.com

why the superfluous information----the Sadducees --historically---kissed roman ass Jesus and his fellow
Pharisees hated them and your all time fave SAINT
CAIAPHAS

 

[surada]

wrong again----Herod was KING He spent very little time in the GALIL

Sorry Antipas was just in Jerusalem for the Passover.

Herod Antipas | Biography, Jesus, John the Baptist, & Facts

Herod Antipas, son of Herod I the Great who became tetrarch (ruler of a minor principality in the Roman Empire) of Galilee, in northern Palestine, and Peraea, east of the Jordan River and the Dead Sea, and ruled throughout Jesus of Nazareth’s ministry.

www.britannica.com

 

[norwegen]

wrong again----Herod was KING He spent very little time in the GALIL

"King Herod" was never a king. He was a tetrarch.

 

[irosie91]

Sorry Antipas was just in Jerusalem for the Passover.

Herod Antipas | Biography, Jesus, John the Baptist, & Facts

Herod Antipas, son of Herod I the Great who became tetrarch (ruler of a minor principality in the Roman Empire) of Galilee, in northern Palestine, and Peraea, east of the Jordan River and the Dead Sea, and ruled throughout Jesus of Nazareth’s ministry.

www.britannica.com

SO? he was not in THE GALIL Can you name the OTHER KINGS? since Herod was only a local mayor?

 

[irosie91]

"King Herod" was never a king. He was a tetrarch.

oh -----who was the KING?

 

[surada]

oh -----who was the KING?

A tetrarch is a subordinate governor.. not a king.

 

[norwegen]

oh -----who was the KING?

No one.

Tiberius Caesar Augustus was emperor.

 

[irosie91]

Sorry Antipas was just in Jerusalem for the Passover.

Herod Antipas | Biography, Jesus, John the Baptist, & Facts

Herod Antipas, son of Herod I the Great who became tetrarch (ruler of a minor principality in the Roman Empire) of Galilee, in northern Palestine, and Peraea, east of the Jordan River and the Dead Sea, and ruled throughout Jesus of Nazareth’s ministry.

www.britannica.com

suradie---you cut and paste from the Brittannica describes all of Judea----not the just the hills of Galilee-----I do not recall ANY time that herod spent
in the GALILEE. You are playing church lady

 

[surada]

No one.

Tiberius Caesar Augustus was emperor.

Yep. Judah was a backwater in the Roman empire.

 

[irosie91]

A tetrarch is a subordinate governor.. not a king.

of course----for the romans all of Judea was
SUBORDINATE-----doing the islamo nazi play
on semantics again.? Josef and Magda would
would be proud of you

 

[surada]

suradie---you cut and paste from the Brittannica describes all of Judea----not the just the hills of Galilee-----I do not recall ANY time that herod spent
in the GALILEE. You are playing church lady

Nope. Herod the Great was an converted Edomite. He too was subordinate to the Roman empire. Herod Antipas was a governor in Galilee. Jesus was safe in and around Galilee. Antipas ignored Jesus.

 

[irosie91]

Yep. Judah was a backwater in the Roman empire.

YEP----for the Roman caliphate----aka REICH---
Judea was a backwater----and Jesus was a nothing
until constantine saw a BIG ADVANTAGE

 

[irosie91]

Nope. Herod the Great was an converted Edomite. He too was subordinate to the Roman empire. Herod Antipas was a governor in Galilee. Jesus was safe in and around Galilee. Antipas ignored Jesus.

"nope" what?-----actually Herod was an edomite and considered not a legal ruler by Jesus and his crowd The romans did not ignore Pharisee leaders ---and certainly not those who challenged their control of
the Temple------are you still playing "dumb blonde"?
-----or just islamo nazi shill?

 

[surada]

"nope" what?-----actually Herod was an edomite and considered not a legal ruler by Jesus and his crowd The romans did not ignore Pharisee leaders ---and certainly not those who challenged their control of
the Temple------are you still playing "dumb blonde"?
-----or just islamo nazi shill?

The Kings of Judah

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

 

[irosie91]

The Kings of Judah

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

another meaningless citation----during the roman
occupation----the whole land---Israel/Judah---
was called JUDEA by your roman heroes----or if
you prefer "PALESTINA"