Do You Understand The Concept Of Tithing?

[The Irish Ram]

In the Rockies there is a little spot off of the road with nothing but a few benches and an alter. Preachers take turns holding service there. It is breathtaking..

If you hold church in someone's house does God assign an angel to the house like He does to the churches in Rev.? If there are 2 or more Christ shows up, sooo. But does an angel take up residence there for the household or just for the services? And do you share all of your goods with the one who is teaching you there?

Gal 6:6, Let him who is taught the word share in all good things with him who teaches.

While it seems to be an affront to people for God's houses to be opulent, what would happen if no one tithed to the church and instead gave to the organization of their choice? In just a generation churches would turn into casinos.

 

[The Irish Ram]

G-D set the law and the moral code.

And Christ magnified it and made it honorable. Instead of us trying and failing to do so.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Tribal lineage goes by the father, and we don't know who was jesus' actual father.

Then we cannot discount that Jesus may have been from the lineage of King David. Correct?

Incorrect. If tribal lineage is not known they are classifed as an Israelite- the general jewish population.

So the day you learn who his Father is will be the day Jesus will be confirmed as from the Lineage of King David? That is interesting. I didn't know this about Judaism, Mike. Thank you for sharing that with me.

-Jeremiah

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

In the Rockies there is a little spot off of the road with nothing but a few benches and an alter. Preachers take turns holding service there. It is breathtaking..

If you hold church in someone's house does God assign an angel to the house like He does to the churches in Rev.? If there are 2 or more Christ shows up, sooo. But does an angel take up residence there for the household or just for the services? And do you share all of your goods with the one who is teaching you there?

Gal 6:6, Let him who is taught the word share in all good things with him who teaches.

While it seems to be an affront to people for God's houses to be opulent, what would happen if no one tithed to the church and instead gave to the organization of their choice? In just a generation churches would turn into casinos.

excellent point. Yes, angels show up for home church meetings. Certainly. The book of Acts confirms that. It would be good if there were more collective responsibility within the church to reach out to those outside the church and meet their needs. The government is doing what the church should be doing.. in my opinion.. so she is doing a good deed giving to Salvation Army, etc. - Jeremiah

 

[Gadawg73]

The norm of most all of the churches I used to go to was build, build, build.
The last big church I went to spent 30K a piece for 6 stained glass windows.
I now go to a church where we rent out retail store space for $2500 a month. It seats 350 and we bought used chairs for $12 a piece.
We have no building fund to erect a 5 million dollar church.
We follow Christ instead and help others instead of building mansions.
We pass no plate and we do not pick political candidates.

Thanks for sharing this Brother. Sounds like you've found a good church.

I need to go more!

 

[Caroljo]

The norm of most all of the churches I used to go to was build, build, build.
The last big church I went to spent 30K a piece for 6 stained glass windows.
I now go to a church where we rent out retail store space for $2500 a month. It seats 350 and we bought used chairs for $12 a piece.
We have no building fund to erect a 5 million dollar church.
We follow Christ instead and help others instead of building mansions.
We pass no plate and we do not pick political candidates.

I wish we could find a church like this in our area!! That's awesome.....

 

[CMike]

G-D set the law and the moral code.

And Christ magnified it and made it honorable. Instead of us trying and failing to do so.

Deuteronomy 13

1. Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it.

There is no such thing as magnifying G-D's law. It was already perfect.

You can make your own law as Christianity did, but it has nothing to do with the Torah law.

G-D made it clear not to add nor subtract from the law that you gave.

And that G-D gave law that is not honorable is utterly rediculous.

We are supposed to struggle to keep the law. That is what brings us closer to G-D.

 

[CMike]

Then we cannot discount that Jesus may have been from the lineage of King David. Correct?

Incorrect. If tribal lineage is not known they are classifed as an Israelite- the general jewish population.

So the day you learn who his Father is will be the day Jesus will be confirmed as from the Lineage of King David? That is interesting. I didn't know this about Judaism, Mike. Thank you for sharing that with me.

-Jeremiah

 

[Caroljo]

In the city I live in the mega churches won't provide marriage counseling, any financial assistance, emergency help unless you tithe off your gross & you have to provide your tax returns. I feel that is just too much pressure on the people, Caroljo, it grieves me that there is such an emphasis on this when the focus should be Jesus.

Yes, I agree with you. You and I are having church right now. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. Wherever we gather, there He is! - Jeremiah

I have to spread more rep before i can give you more! .... Amen!

 

[The Irish Ram]

In the Rockies there is a little spot off of the road with nothing but a few benches and an alter. Preachers take turns holding service there. It is breathtaking..

If you hold church in someone's house does God assign an angel to the house like He does to the churches in Rev.? If there are 2 or more Christ shows up, sooo. But does an angel take up residence there for the household or just for the services? And do you share all of your goods with the one who is teaching you there?

Gal 6:6, Let him who is taught the word share in all good things with him who teaches.

While it seems to be an affront to people for God's houses to be opulent, what would happen if no one tithed to the church and instead gave to the organization of their choice? In just a generation churches would turn into casinos.

excellent point. Yes, angels show up for home church meetings. Certainly. The book of Acts confirms that. It would be good if there were more collective responsibility within the church to reach out to those outside the church and meet their needs. The government is doing what the church should be doing.. in my opinion.. so she is doing a good deed giving to Salvation Army, etc. - Jeremiah

I agree with what you say. And I agree that she is indeed doing a very good deed. The only problem I have is with the definition of the word tithe and charity/works.
Tithe means tenth. It provides a unique but specific function.
To make a tithe of time, this is what you would need to be doing:
There are 24 hours in a day, a tithe of this would be two hours and 24 minutes tithe each day. If we look at this in a week, a tithe of our weekly time would amount to 16 hours and 48 minutes.

We don't have to tithe, we don't even have to keep the Big Ten Laws God gave Moses. They were placed under the mercy seat of God in the Holy of Holies.
But if you like being blessed to overflowing, And having flood gates opened, He instructs us how to carry out the procedure, then says, "test me". Can we substitute what we think He might be satisfied with?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Mike, can you answer any of my questions?
Is it sinful for Israel's PM to be upset about not being able to rely on America's support with the Iran situation?

 

[Gadawg73]

The 1 thing I try to focus on more is to count my blessings and do not look back.

 

[CMike]

Mike, can you answer any of my questions?
Is it sinful for Israel's PM to be upset about not being able to rely on America's support with the Iran situation?

Not as far as I know.

Why?

 

[The Irish Ram]

What happened to persevering in order to get closer to God? Why would Israel pass up such an opportunity to NOT rely on the US?
Why didn't God give the Law to Abraham so He could persevere, instead of blessing him over and over?
As well as the Jews were persevering as slaves in Egypt, why didn't God leave them to their persevering, so they could be closer? And why didn't He give them the law on the outset of the exodus, instead of waiting til the Jews asked for it? Why did He provide for them night and day in the beginning of the trip? Seems cruel to take away your opportunity to handle one calamity after another.

If God's spirit is a "Christian" thing, what was David referring to when He said, "God, take not thy spirit from me" ?

None of it points to God insisting that His children persevere, instead of resting in Him.
In fact if that is what He really wants for His children, why did He do all the work before He created Adam, instead of leaving it all for Adam to do?
I see a very different relationship that God has with His chosen and the relationship that His chosen have with Him.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Tithing of tithe, is the concept of giving God 10 percent of your increase.

That is, ten percent (10%) of everything you earn, monetarily of course.

So if you make 3,000 a month, your tithe should be 300 a month.

Do you find yourself wondering why would God need your money?

Do you understand what's this all about?

What's your understanding of this?

It's a tax. I call it the death tax. People scared of hell give money to charlatans who promise them 50 virgins or a man who willing clean windows when a ball game is on TV),depending on gender, or a place in heaven which is gender neutral. Different orders offer different incentives. !0% ain't bad, you could have a daughter who they would want to sacrifice or a son they would want to ...

 

[CMike]

Once again, you are misstating what I said. I already expained this.

Calamities are bad.

What I stated was resisting temptation to do sinful things.

Somebody drops $200 in front of you and walks off. Do you keep it or run after to him and give back his money?

Your sister is in the hospital? Do you visit her or do you stay home and post on the Internet?

We are faced everyday with choices. Making the right choices brings us closer to G-D, making the wrong choices distances ourself from G-D.

What happened to persevering in order to get closer to God? Why would Israel pass up such an opportunity to NOT rely on the US?
Why didn't God give the Law to Abraham so He could persevere, instead of blessing him over and over?
As well as the Jews were persevering as slaves in Egypt, why didn't God leave them to their persevering, so they could be closer? And why didn't He give them the law on the outset of the exodus, instead of waiting til the Jews asked for it? Why did He provide for them night and day in the beginning of the trip? Seems cruel to take away your opportunity to handle one calamity after another.

If God's spirit is a "Christian" thing, what was David referring to when He said, "God, take not thy spirit from me" ?

None of it points to God insisting that His children persevere, instead of resting in Him.
In fact if that is what He really wants for His children, why did He do all the work before He created Adam, instead of leaving it all for Adam to do?
I see a very different relationship that God has with His chosen and the relationship that His chosen have with Him.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I apologize for being confrontational, but it is frustrating, because I was grafted into Abraham's line and I want all blessings for Israel, and no pain. And I believe we are seeing the birth pangs of Revelation, and just as it says, all eyes are on Israel. God is very specific about what He intends to do to those that force Israel to give away His property again.
The United States of America, is going to surround Israel with it's enemies and then tell Israel to give away God's property and "we'll persuade Iran/Syria/Egypt to settle down".
The frustration is found in that old joke about a man tossed overboard, who prays to God to save him. A boat comes by to rescue him and he says, "No thanks, God will save me." Then a chopper comes to rescue him.................... In Heaven he asks God, "why didn't you save me?", and God says,"I sent you a boat and a helicopter......."

Christ is Emanuel. And God has always been in your midst in different forms. In the flesh to walk in the garden with Adam, or sitting at Abraham's campfire, eating Sarah's stew with His mouth, and laughing. He was in a fire in a bush. He was in a cloud with your ancestors and Moses. He put His hand in front of Moses. He passed by. Moses saw God's behind.
He watched David from a mountain top and David watched Him while he wrote poems to Him.
Why is it so difficult to believe that He would make His presence known to your ancestors as your passover lamb, to keep the Law for you? Is it out of the realm of possibility for Abraham's God to do such a thing for the children He loves so much?

 

[CMike]

Why is it so difficult to believe that He would make His presence known to your ancestors as your passover lamb, to keep the Law for you? Is it out of the realm of possibility for Abraham's God to do such a thing for the children He loves so much?

Thank you or the apology but it's not necessary. I do understand that you are passionate in your beliefs. As I'm sure you noticed I am passionate in mine.

I kind of wish your religion didn't rely on perverting my religion though.

G-D told jews to sacrifice a lamb. Don't you think it's rather rediculous to state that G-D would make himself a lamb to sacrifice?

BTW sacrifices were made for a host of reasons, other than sin. They were made for celebration and for holidays, as well.

G-D gave jews law for jews to keep the law. That's the point of giving the law. If he didn't intend for jews to follow it he would not have given it to them.

Obviously, we are human and we are not perfect. G-D knows this. He created us.

If you sin you are supposed to repent. G-D told this to Cain.

Genesis 4


6. And the Lord said to Cain, "Why are you annoyed, and why has your countenance fallen?

7. Is it not so that if you improve, it will be forgiven you? If you do not improve, however, at the entrance, sin is lying, and to you is its longing, but you can rule over it."

G-D made is extremely in numerous passages that I pasted to trust only him, and that there is only him. That he is one.

For a jew to rely on "jesus" is the same thing as idol worship for jew, and one of the most grievous sins a jew can commit. Why? Because G-D said so.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Understand that I was not apologizing for the content of my posts, but for my inability to bend on the subject of the Lord.
While end time prophecy continues to unveil, the act of sacrifice is being taught to priests who are expecting the Temple to be built soon. The Jews haven't had sacrifices since the Roman occupation. In all that time, did the Jews save up their sins for the day God provides a site again, or was the blood of a lamb unnecessary in the first place, because God delights in loyalty rather than the sacrifice of animals?

 

[California Girl]

Tithing of tithe, is the concept of giving God 10 percent of your increase.

That is, ten percent (10%) of everything you earn, monetarily of course.

So if you make 3,000 a month, your tithe should be 300 a month.

Do you find yourself wondering why would God need your money?

Do you understand what's this all about?

What's your understanding of this?

Yes, I do understand it. No, I don't wonder.

God uses my money to help those less fortunate. I am good with that.