Does AOC know $15 minimum wage in states like Mississippi will put people out of work?

[captkaos]

16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

I'm all for helping the poor, I object to helping those that make a choice not to work and expect others to pay for their choices. That has nothing to do with "general Welfare".

Sure it does
Our society has decided we don’t want to be like the slums of Calcutta

I’ll take helping the poor over corporate greed any day

Hey RW ! I only make about $25,000 a year in "taxable income" please send me some of that cash you're so ready to help out with. My income is well below the median and I think you should put your money where your mouth is or admit you're just a Hypocrite and mouthpiece for your Socialist agenda.

 

[rightwinger]

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

That is hardly where the vast majority of the money goes, bub.

Defense

Defense is 15% of federal spending, and one of the few things the Constitution defines as the proper role of the Federal government.

You lose.

Has nothing to do with the percentage of federal revenue spent on defense

We are surrounded by two oceans and friendly neighbors
No reason for us to spend more on defense than the next eight countries combined

How incredibly ignorant, especially given the nuclear age, porous borders and increasing cyber warfare.


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Good point...it is a nuclear age

If we have a dozen nukes that we can target to any place in the world, nobody will attack us

We could reduce our military by 90%

 

[captkaos]

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A Heritage Foundation analysis from 2016 estimated that a $15 federal minimum wage would wipe out 7 million jobs. Hardest hit would be workers, businesses, and economies in areas with low costs of living. (like Mississippi where cost of living is 87% of USA standard.
Mississippi cost of living is 87.8% Mississippi Cost of Living

Liberal activists demand a “living wage,” but the truth is that only a tiny handful of hourly wage workers make the minimum wage or less (4 percent), according to the Employment Policies Institute. On the contrary, a whopping 44 percent of hourly workers currently earn at or below the proposed $15 minimum wage.

Now consider what the $15 minimum wage would do.

For a restaurant that employs 10 minimum wage workers, a $15 minimum wage hike would cost them about $170,000 per year. If the restaurant currently earns profit margins of 5 percent, it would have to increase sales by $3.5 million per year, or an extra $67,000 every week.

But that is not realistic. The likely scenario is that they’ll either have to cut working hours or fire some workers altogether. Either way, most people are worse off than before.

Lawmakers Are Pushing a $15 Minimum Wage. Here Are 3 Disastrous Consequences That Would Result.
Robotic waiters...

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Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages. He did not complain about minimum wages. Employers who can Only make it on Cheap labor in a first world economy need to fail.

So those company's should move to other country's and employ even lower waged workers and leave American workers out of jobs! Sounds like a good idea at least the immigrants would have a reason to stay in their own country's and make shit wages instead of coming to a country with a wrecked economy and not being able to find a job because they have no skills at all and have to rely on the US Govt for assistance. Very Socialistic of you!

 

[Papageorgio]

16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

I'm all for helping the poor, I object to helping those that make a choice not to work and expect others to pay for their choices. That has nothing to do with "general Welfare".

Sure it does
Our society has decided we don’t want to be like the slums of Calcutta

I’ll take helping the poor over corporate greed any day

So if a person decides he wants to sit home all day then we need to pay for them to?

 

[Papageorgio]

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

That is hardly where the vast majority of the money goes, bub.

Defense

Medicare, Medicaid with a few other type programs take 26%; Social Security 24%; Defense 15%; Safety Net programs 9%.

Medicare and Social Security are separately funded

It's part of our spending.

 

[Papageorgio]

That is hardly where the vast majority of the money goes, bub.

Defense

Defense is 15% of federal spending, and one of the few things the Constitution defines as the proper role of the Federal government.

You lose.

Has nothing to do with the percentage of federal revenue spent on defense

We are surrounded by two oceans and friendly neighbors
No reason for us to spend more on defense than the next eight countries combined

How incredibly ignorant, especially given the nuclear age, porous borders and increasing cyber warfare.


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Good point...it is a nuclear age

If we have a dozen nukes that we can target to any place in the world, nobody will attack us

We could reduce our military by 90%

I agree, we need to bring the troops home and stay out of the rest of the worlds business.

 

[rightwinger]

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

I'm all for helping the poor, I object to helping those that make a choice not to work and expect others to pay for their choices. That has nothing to do with "general Welfare".

Sure it does
Our society has decided we don’t want to be like the slums of Calcutta

I’ll take helping the poor over corporate greed any day

So if a person decides he wants to sit home all day then we need to pay for them to?

Would you rather have people banging on your front door begging for handouts?
Rather have sick people laying at the hospital door begging for treatment?

 

[captkaos]

Yeah they ain't gonna pay those illegals fifteen an hour when they can pay them less than eight now them capitalist must live in big mansions and fly jet planes.
Keeping wages low and cost of living high is how the robber barons make their living.

As the economy gets better, wages go up......as we are now seeing...... putting people out of work because of left wing policies is the way left wingers get rich and accumulate power......making people poor is the bread and butter of left wing democrats.

The rich are not playing politics they influence politics to keep wages low by hiring the illegals and the visa workers...Corporations donate to both sides of the political isle to get what they want. Your stupid partisan dichotomy plays right into their hands because they can exploit the masses with issues made to split us apart.
Apple is a trillion dollar company someone had to work for very low wages to make that happen. When will you people stop supporting these companies that exploit workers in poor nations and leave US citizens with less jobs?
There should be no mansions or billionaires while the majority suffer without.

Have you ever gone to school? Do you have a job? Who pays your bills? Do you pay your neighbors bills when they can't afford them because they got laid off because the Company they "Used" to work for had to reduce labor costs due to the higher minimum wage! When you start doing that you can complain, until then go get a job and quit whining !

I am a retired contractor and you are the Einstein of Economics 101...Eat my shorts man..

You should put your skills to work and go help build the wall are you retire because of age or inability. You could probably make a difference there! I'll be looking for you to appear on CNN helping out !You could even hire Illegals and everything to make yourself feel better!

Yeah they ain't gonna pay those illegals fifteen an hour when they can pay them less than eight now them capitalist must live in big mansions and fly jet planes.
Keeping wages low and cost of living high is how the robber barons make their living.

As the economy gets better, wages go up......as we are now seeing...... putting people out of work because of left wing policies is the way left wingers get rich and accumulate power......making people poor is the bread and butter of left wing democrats.

The rich are not playing politics they influence politics to keep wages low by hiring the illegals and the visa workers...Corporations donate to both sides of the political isle to get what they want. Your stupid partisan dichotomy plays right into their hands because they can exploit the masses with issues made to split us apart.
Apple is a trillion dollar company someone had to work for very low wages to make that happen. When will you people stop supporting these companies that exploit workers in poor nations and leave US citizens with less jobs?
There should be no mansions or billionaires while the majority suffer without.

Have you ever gone to school? Do you have a job? Who pays your bills? Do you pay your neighbors bills when they can't afford them because they got laid off because the Company they "Used" to work for had to reduce labor costs due to the higher minimum wage! When you start doing that you can complain, until then go get a job and quit whining !

I am a retired contractor and you are the Einstein of Economics 101...Eat my shorts man..

 

[WEATHER53]

She knows little but feels a lot.

 

[Papageorgio]

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

I'm all for helping the poor, I object to helping those that make a choice not to work and expect others to pay for their choices. That has nothing to do with "general Welfare".

Sure it does
Our society has decided we don’t want to be like the slums of Calcutta

I’ll take helping the poor over corporate greed any day

So if a person decides he wants to sit home all day then we need to pay for them to?

Would you rather have people banging on your front door begging for handouts?
Rather have sick people laying at the hospital door begging for treatment?

I have no sympathy for the lazy, the poor, yes, the mentally ill, yes, widows, yes, orphans, yes. The lazy? None whatsoever.

We take care of those in need, not those that are lazy. Plus we currently don't have people banging on the doors for handouts nor do we have people at hospitals begging for treatment.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Apparently, your view is that an overwhelming percentage of Americans are too stupid to decide for themselves whether a wage is too low or not. Which is the zeitgeist of "We Know Better" liberalism.

Not too stupid to decide but forced into a take it or leave it decision

If a business forces someone to take a job against their will, we should prosecute them and put the responsible parties in jail. No arbitrary regulations on wages are required, just simple laws against bullying and coercion. But that's not really what you're talking about, is it?

Of course not
People with other options are not bullied by take it or leave it offers

Those with low skills have few options. Employers can easily manipulate them in to accepting minimum wage

If low skilled people are so vulnerable to manipulation by Evul Businesses, then perhaps we should stop allowing so many low skilled illegal immigrants into the country who compete with low skilled citizens.

What you fail to see is that there are markets for labor driven by supply and demand. If someone is low skilled and doesn't like the compensation for such lack of skill, then a self-respecting person would develop skills and knowledge. That is what ENTRY LEVEL jobs provide.

I've only ever worked for minimum wage once in my life, right after high school. Definitely taught me that I didn't want to work for minimum wage.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I worked for minimum wage in high school during the summer and fall at the local cannery, two months on the job I was above minimum wage. Then while going to college I started at McDonalds I was at minimum wage, writhing three months I was above minimum wage, after a year and a half at McDonalds I left to go into the banking industry and took a pay cut to do so. Never saw minimum wage as a long term goal in my life, not sure why anyone would.

Nobody claims people work minimum wage their whole life
But those forced to accept a $7.25 wage are being exploited by employers whether it is three months or ten years

What is the impact on minimum wage workers?
Less money to pay for college, lower ability to help a struggling family, need to accept public assistance, assumption of more debt

All so an employer can make more profit

So you're suggesting those "forced" to accept minimum wage have gone to college, have a family and "accept" public assistance? WTF, are they all liberals?

Many college students fill minimum wage jobs.....I did at $2.10 an hour
But that $2.10 an hour paid for a years tuition by just working summers

$7.25 an hour does not do that today

So the real problem is College is too expensive. And you were expecting less expensive once the government got involved with student loans?

Where did people in this country ever come by the ass-backward notion that the more "important" and "essential" something was, the less it should cost you?

 

[rightwinger]

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

I'm all for helping the poor, I object to helping those that make a choice not to work and expect others to pay for their choices. That has nothing to do with "general Welfare".

Sure it does
Our society has decided we don’t want to be like the slums of Calcutta

I’ll take helping the poor over corporate greed any day

So if a person decides he wants to sit home all day then we need to pay for them to?

Would you rather have people banging on your front door begging for handouts?
Rather have sick people laying at the hospital door begging for treatment?

I have no sympathy for the lazy, the poor, yes, the mentally ill, yes, widows, yes, orphans, yes. The lazy? None whatsoever.

We take care of those in need, not those that are lazy. Plus we currently don't have people banging on the doors for handouts nor do we have people at hospitals begging for treatment.

We are talking broadly about using tax money for social welfare
In the absence of support, they have few other options

 

[boedicca]

Apparently, your view is that an overwhelming percentage of Americans are too stupid to decide for themselves whether a wage is too low or not. Which is the zeitgeist of "We Know Better" liberalism.

Not too stupid to decide but forced into a take it or leave it decision

If a business forces someone to take a job against their will, we should prosecute them and put the responsible parties in jail. No arbitrary regulations on wages are required, just simple laws against bullying and coercion. But that's not really what you're talking about, is it?

Of course not
People with other options are not bullied by take it or leave it offers

Those with low skills have few options. Employers can easily manipulate them in to accepting minimum wage

If low skilled people are so vulnerable to manipulation by Evul Businesses, then perhaps we should stop allowing so many low skilled illegal immigrants into the country who compete with low skilled citizens.

What you fail to see is that there are markets for labor driven by supply and demand. If someone is low skilled and doesn't like the compensation for such lack of skill, then a self-respecting person would develop skills and knowledge. That is what ENTRY LEVEL jobs provide.

I've only ever worked for minimum wage once in my life, right after high school. Definitely taught me that I didn't want to work for minimum wage.

I had minimum wage jobs during high school. I did a variety of things working my way through college, one of which was a unionized factory job during a summer break. The union was incredibly corrupt - that taught I never wanted to be part of a collective bargaining system.

 

[Thinker101]

I worked for minimum wage in high school during the summer and fall at the local cannery, two months on the job I was above minimum wage. Then while going to college I started at McDonalds I was at minimum wage, writhing three months I was above minimum wage, after a year and a half at McDonalds I left to go into the banking industry and took a pay cut to do so. Never saw minimum wage as a long term goal in my life, not sure why anyone would.

Nobody claims people work minimum wage their whole life
But those forced to accept a $7.25 wage are being exploited by employers whether it is three months or ten years

What is the impact on minimum wage workers?
Less money to pay for college, lower ability to help a struggling family, need to accept public assistance, assumption of more debt

All so an employer can make more profit

So you're suggesting those "forced" to accept minimum wage have gone to college, have a family and "accept" public assistance? WTF, are they all liberals?

Many college students fill minimum wage jobs.....I did at $2.10 an hour
But that $2.10 an hour paid for a years tuition by just working summers

$7.25 an hour does not do that today

So the real problem is College is too expensive. And you were expecting less expensive once the government got involved with student loans?

Where did people in this country ever come by the ass-backward notion that the more "important" and "essential" something was, the less it should cost you?

College? Sure, make it outlandishly expensive, then make it free....that ought to add value.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Imagine how wonderful things would be if workers didn't have to be paid at all.

"Prosperity Through Lower Wages!"

Translation~ imagine if workers didn't have to work at all

If the leftist utopians keep on like they're going, workers WON'T be working at all, but not in a good way.

 

[Papageorgio]

I'm all for helping the poor, I object to helping those that make a choice not to work and expect others to pay for their choices. That has nothing to do with "general Welfare".

Sure it does
Our society has decided we don’t want to be like the slums of Calcutta

I’ll take helping the poor over corporate greed any day

So if a person decides he wants to sit home all day then we need to pay for them to?

Would you rather have people banging on your front door begging for handouts?
Rather have sick people laying at the hospital door begging for treatment?

I have no sympathy for the lazy, the poor, yes, the mentally ill, yes, widows, yes, orphans, yes. The lazy? None whatsoever.

We take care of those in need, not those that are lazy. Plus we currently don't have people banging on the doors for handouts nor do we have people at hospitals begging for treatment.

We are talking broadly about using tax money for social welfare
In the absence of support, they have few other options

I was speaking to Daniel about universal pay, which I am against and you chimed in. So we are on a different subjects.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yeah they ain't gonna pay those illegals fifteen an hour when they can pay them less than eight now them capitalist must live in big mansions and fly jet planes.
Keeping wages low and cost of living high is how the robber barons make their living.

How about we just offer them a trip all expenses paid, back to their home country? They are here illegally! Then they can worry about the minimum wage in their shithole!

You mean jail employers (like tRump) that hire illegals?

This is just another example why you are either mentally challenged or too stupid to breathe on your own. Trump never hired an illegal. If he did, prove it! People who work for him may have done so, but if your gardener gets a DUI, we don't throw your ass in jail, do we?

Here ya go!

Making President Trump’s Bed: A Housekeeper Without Papers

I assume you didn't bother to read your own link beyond the headline, since if you had, you'd see that the housekeeper in question A) works for one of Trump's businesses, not
Trump personally, and it's very doubtful that he hires the housekeeping staff himself, and B) she admits herself that she got hired with phony papers.

So thanks for "proving" nothing more than that you kneejerk to blaming Trump for everything, just because you think being elected against your clearly-expressed wishes is some sort of crime.

 

[Cecilie1200]

So your fiendishly clever plan is to put companies out of business and their employees out of work?

Name one company that went "out of business" because they paid their employees to much money.

The list is endless, you moron! If you pay your employees a set salary and you are not bringing in the revenue to pay them, what happens, dumbass?

If the list is endless, then name one company.

Why do companies go out to business, dumbass? It is because they could not make a profit. Why couldn't they make a profit? They were obviously paying their employees too much for the job they were performing. My God man, you are dumber than a pile of rocks!

Uber doesn't make a profit. Three of the five companies that I own don't make a profit. Can you answer why?

Because the people running them (and I DO mean you) are morons?

In Uber's case, though, it's a calculated gamble, because they're focusing on expanding in new areas and services in hopes of greater profits in the future.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Not too stupid to decide but forced into a take it or leave it decision

If a business forces someone to take a job against their will, we should prosecute them and put the responsible parties in jail. No arbitrary regulations on wages are required, just simple laws against bullying and coercion. But that's not really what you're talking about, is it?

Of course not
People with other options are not bullied by take it or leave it offers

Those with low skills have few options. Employers can easily manipulate them in to accepting minimum wage

If low skilled people are so vulnerable to manipulation by Evul Businesses, then perhaps we should stop allowing so many low skilled illegal immigrants into the country who compete with low skilled citizens.

What you fail to see is that there are markets for labor driven by supply and demand. If someone is low skilled and doesn't like the compensation for such lack of skill, then a self-respecting person would develop skills and knowledge. That is what ENTRY LEVEL jobs provide.

I've only ever worked for minimum wage once in my life, right after high school. Definitely taught me that I didn't want to work for minimum wage.

I had minimum wage jobs during high school. I did a variety of things working my way through college, one of which was a unionized factory job during a summer break. The union was incredibly corrupt - that taught I never wanted to be part of a collective bargaining system.

I couldn't work a normal sort of job in high school, because we moved every year, mostly to small towns where there weren't a lot of jobs to go around. After I graduated, I immediately started taking any job I could lay hands on to help support myself and my parents (my dad had a major stroke during my senior year). Mom and I both worked full-time, and then cleaned houses for extra money in the evenings. Didn't take me long at all to decide, "Screw doing THIS kinda shit the rest of my life." I found a program to help low-income people get training in job fields that were actually hiring (as decided by a governing board made up of local business owners), and never so much as looked at a minimum wage job again.