Does AOC know $15 minimum wage in states like Mississippi will put people out of work?

[Papageorgio]

Uber doesn't make a profit. Three of the five companies that I own don't make a profit. Can you answer why?

Oooh! A riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside a phony persona.

I'm not sure what the answer is - but it would be a fun party game to take turns guessing. You're the guest judge.

Who wants to go first?

Alright. I'll go first. Here's my guess:

"The reason why three of the five companies OnePercenter 'owns' don't make a profit is ..."

OK, I've studied economics a LOT, so I keep up with this stuff. They actually figured this one out back in the seventies, under Reagan. Anyway, it turns out that something like 98.75% of the time businesses fail to make a profit, it's for the same reason: they incurred more in costs than they received in revenue. That's pretty technical, and it would take a semester course to explain how it all works. But that's the reason, pretty much every time.

My guess is he has no clue on how to run a business and is losing big money on his lemonade stand, his lawn mowing service, while he makes money delivering newspapers

 

[rightwinger]

in what way? the dependence in this case, is equal protection of the law. we have an entitlement to that form of dependence on Government.

There is no guaranteed employment clause, the founding fathers never set out for pay without work solution. Back then the United States didn’t even have unemployment.

We are not entitled, nowhere in the Constitution does it say we must support those unwilling to work.

Different world back then

Doesn’t mean we should yearn for the days of Oliver Twist

Not yearning for the good old days, where in the Constitution does it say that a working man should pay for the lazy man?

16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

Your taxes go into a general revenue fund

Our elected representatives decide how to spend that revenue. It can include many things you may disagree with including paying for unpopular wars, infrastructure that doesn’t help you, subsidies to farms and business even to help poor people

 

[rightwinger]

There is no guaranteed employment clause, the founding fathers never set out for pay without work solution. Back then the United States didn’t even have unemployment.

We are not entitled, nowhere in the Constitution does it say we must support those unwilling to work.

Different world back then

Doesn’t mean we should yearn for the days of Oliver Twist

Not yearning for the good old days, where in the Constitution does it say that a working man should pay for the lazy man?

16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

 

[dblack]

Different world back then

Doesn’t mean we should yearn for the days of Oliver Twist

Not yearning for the good old days, where in the Constitution does it say that a working man should pay for the lazy man?

16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

Oh, you're being coy again! Of course it's all the tax policies deliberately formulated to redistribute income that we're talking about - and you know it. Were you just going for a joke?

 

[boedicca]

There is no guaranteed employment clause, the founding fathers never set out for pay without work solution. Back then the United States didn’t even have unemployment.

We are not entitled, nowhere in the Constitution does it say we must support those unwilling to work.

Different world back then

Doesn’t mean we should yearn for the days of Oliver Twist

Not yearning for the good old days, where in the Constitution does it say that a working man should pay for the lazy man?

16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

Your taxes go into a general revenue fund

Our elected representatives decide how to spend that revenue. It can include many things you may disagree with including paying for unpopular wars, infrastructure that doesn’t help you, subsidies to farms and business even to help poor people

Just because corrupt government officials decide to violate the proper role of the Federal Government when they get their hands on Other People's Money doesn't make it right. What it actually does is turn the wheel towards Dependency and Bondage. You Boobs who advocate for More Government Goodies are hastening the collapse of the U.S.

“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been about 200 years. These nations always progressed through this sequence:

• From Bondage to Moral Certitude;
• from Moral Certitude to Great Courage;
• from Great Courage to Liberty;
• from Liberty to Abundance;
• from Abundance to Selfishness;
• from Selfishness to Complacency;
• from Complacency to Apathy;
• from Apathy to Dependency;
• from Dependency to Bondage.”

Socialism Rises Due To The Great American Economic Growth Myth

 

[boedicca]

Different world back then

Doesn’t mean we should yearn for the days of Oliver Twist

Not yearning for the good old days, where in the Constitution does it say that a working man should pay for the lazy man?

16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

That is hardly where the vast majority of the money goes, bub.

 

[rightwinger]

Not yearning for the good old days, where in the Constitution does it say that a working man should pay for the lazy man?

16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

Oh, you're being coy again! Of course it's all the tax policies deliberately formulated to redistribute income that we're talking about - and you know it. Were you just going for a joke?

Are farm subsidies a redistribution of wealth?

 

[rightwinger]

Not yearning for the good old days, where in the Constitution does it say that a working man should pay for the lazy man?

16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

That is hardly where the vast majority of the money goes, bub.

Defense

 

[dblack]

16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

Oh, you're being coy again! Of course it's all the tax policies deliberately formulated to redistribute income that we're talking about - and you know it. Were you just going for a joke?

Are farm subsidies a redistribution of wealth?

Yes they are. Rather obviously. They are the epitome of corporatist government.

 

[boedicca]

16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

That is hardly where the vast majority of the money goes, bub.

Defense

Defense is 15% of federal spending, and one of the few things the Constitution defines as the proper role of the Federal government.

You lose.

 

[Papageorgio]

Different world back then

Doesn’t mean we should yearn for the days of Oliver Twist

Not yearning for the good old days, where in the Constitution does it say that a working man should pay for the lazy man?

16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

I'm all for helping the poor, I object to helping those that make a choice not to work and expect others to pay for their choices. That has nothing to do with "general Welfare".

 

[captkaos]

Yeah they ain't gonna pay those illegals fifteen an hour when they can pay them less than eight now them capitalist must live in big mansions and fly jet planes.
Keeping wages low and cost of living high is how the robber barons make their living.

MOONIE You should really learn economics I'll go slowly so you can keep up! Your business provides you with an annual personal income of say 100K. You employee 4 people who perform Low skilled to unskilled labor assembling and packaging products. You pay them $11.00 per hr. Your customers are your customers because of the price of your products and the service you provide them. Each employee earns approx. $22,000 at this pay rate. You are then ordered by the Govt. to pay your employees $15.00 per hr. Instantaneously adding approx. $33,000 to your payroll. YOU have three options to consider at this point ! #1 Increase the cost to your customers to offset the increase mandatory payroll cost = your customers will find another supplier. #2 Reduce payroll costs by getting rid of 2 employees and increase delivery time to customers = customers will probably find another supplier or negotiate a lower price for the delay in delivering on their orders= the additional $8,000 you saved on payroll now goes to keeping customers happy. #3 Take a $33,000 dollar decrease in your personal income or somehow create $33,000 in new business in a saturated market. Oh! I forgot # 4 Close your doors, sell off the assets secure the profit from the business you worked to build and forget about the employees. Pick one !

 

[rightwinger]

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

That is hardly where the vast majority of the money goes, bub.

Defense

Defense is 15% of federal spending, and one of the few things the Constitution defines as the proper role of the Federal government.

You lose.

Has nothing to do with the percentage of federal revenue spent on defense

We are surrounded by two oceans and friendly neighbors
No reason for us to spend more on defense than the next eight countries combined

 

[rightwinger]

Not yearning for the good old days, where in the Constitution does it say that a working man should pay for the lazy man?

16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

I'm all for helping the poor, I object to helping those that make a choice not to work and expect others to pay for their choices. That has nothing to do with "general Welfare".

Sure it does
Our society has decided we don’t want to be like the slums of Calcutta

I’ll take helping the poor over corporate greed any day

 

[Moonglow]

Yeah they ain't gonna pay those illegals fifteen an hour when they can pay them less than eight now them capitalist must live in big mansions and fly jet planes.
Keeping wages low and cost of living high is how the robber barons make their living.

MOONIE You should really learn economics I'll go slowly so you can keep up! Your business provides you with an annual personal income of say 100K. You employee 4 people who perform Low skilled to unskilled labor assembling and packaging products. You pay them $11.00 per hr. Your customers are your customers because of the price of your products and the service you provide them. Each employee earns approx. $22,000 at this pay rate. You are then ordered by the Govt. to pay your employees $15.00 per hr. Instantaneously adding approx. $33,000 to your payroll. YOU have three options to consider at this point ! #1 Increase the cost to your customers to offset the increase mandatory payroll cost = your customers will find another supplier. #2 Reduce payroll costs by getting rid of 2 employees and increase delivery time to customers = customers will probably find another supplier or negotiate a lower price for the delay in delivering on their orders= the additional $8,000 you saved on payroll now goes to keeping customers happy. #3 Take a $33,000 dollar decrease in your personal income or somehow create $33,000 in new business in a saturated market. Oh! I forgot # 4 Close your doors, sell off the assets secure the profit from the business you worked to build and forget about the employees. Pick one !

I import cheap labor from Central America pay them off the books and keep on producing all while extolling the virtue of the illegals and playing character assassin of the native population to make it seem like they are worthless and won't do the job. .Sound familiar?

 

[captkaos]

Yeah they ain't gonna pay those illegals fifteen an hour when they can pay them less than eight now them capitalist must live in big mansions and fly jet planes.
Keeping wages low and cost of living high is how the robber barons make their living.

As the economy gets better, wages go up......as we are now seeing...... putting people out of work because of left wing policies is the way left wingers get rich and accumulate power......making people poor is the bread and butter of left wing democrats.

The rich are not playing politics they influence politics to keep wages low by hiring the illegals and the visa workers...Corporations donate to both sides of the political isle to get what they want. Your stupid partisan dichotomy plays right into their hands because they can exploit the masses with issues made to split us apart.
Apple is a trillion dollar company someone had to work for very low wages to make that happen. When will you people stop supporting these companies that exploit workers in poor nations and leave US citizens with less jobs?
There should be no mansions or billionaires while the majority suffer without.

Have you ever gone to school? Do you have a job? Who pays your bills? Do you pay your neighbors bills when they can't afford them because they got laid off because the Company they "Used" to work for had to reduce labor costs due to the higher minimum wage! When you start doing that you can complain, until then go get a job and quit whining !

 

[Papageorgio]

16th Amendment

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

That is hardly where the vast majority of the money goes, bub.

Defense

Medicare, Medicaid with a few other type programs take 26%; Social Security 24%; Defense 15%; Safety Net programs 9%.

 

[Moonglow]

Yeah they ain't gonna pay those illegals fifteen an hour when they can pay them less than eight now them capitalist must live in big mansions and fly jet planes.
Keeping wages low and cost of living high is how the robber barons make their living.

As the economy gets better, wages go up......as we are now seeing...... putting people out of work because of left wing policies is the way left wingers get rich and accumulate power......making people poor is the bread and butter of left wing democrats.

The rich are not playing politics they influence politics to keep wages low by hiring the illegals and the visa workers...Corporations donate to both sides of the political isle to get what they want. Your stupid partisan dichotomy plays right into their hands because they can exploit the masses with issues made to split us apart.
Apple is a trillion dollar company someone had to work for very low wages to make that happen. When will you people stop supporting these companies that exploit workers in poor nations and leave US citizens with less jobs?
There should be no mansions or billionaires while the majority suffer without.

Have you ever gone to school? Do you have a job? Who pays your bills? Do you pay your neighbors bills when they can't afford them because they got laid off because the Company they "Used" to work for had to reduce labor costs due to the higher minimum wage! When you start doing that you can complain, until then go get a job and quit whining !

I am a retired contractor and you are the Einstein of Economics 101...Eat my shorts man..

 

[rightwinger]

That doesn't say that the taxes should be used for redistribution from productive people to lazy ones, bub.

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

That is hardly where the vast majority of the money goes, bub.

Defense

Medicare, Medicaid with a few other type programs take 26%; Social Security 24%; Defense 15%; Safety Net programs 9%.

Medicare and Social Security are separately funded

 

[boedicca]

It sure doesn't. In particular, the Article 1, Section 8 says the taxes should be used for the general welfare. They were opposed to using to taxation to reward specific interests.

Helping poor people, disaster relief, investments in infrastructure all help our nation as a whole and support the general welfare

That is hardly where the vast majority of the money goes, bub.

Defense

Defense is 15% of federal spending, and one of the few things the Constitution defines as the proper role of the Federal government.

You lose.

Has nothing to do with the percentage of federal revenue spent on defense

We are surrounded by two oceans and friendly neighbors
No reason for us to spend more on defense than the next eight countries combined

How incredibly ignorant, especially given the nuclear age, porous borders and increasing cyber warfare.


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