Zone1 Does this makes sense? Dahmer is (allegedly) in Heaven but Catholics are going to Hell?!

[initforme]

If one confesses their sins and asks for forgiveness one is saved.

 

[forkintheroad7]

If one confesses their sins and asks for forgiveness one is saved.

saved from what? saved for how long?

You know, there are other scripture psgs in the Bible. I've read the entire thing so I know...

it's really dangerous to hang your whole eternal destiny on 2 or 3 psgs or even 20 while ignoring the rest of them

 

[Meriweather]

None of that changes the absolute insanity of God sacrificing Himself to Himself to change a rule that He Himself made.

What rule are you thinking he changed?

 

[LeroyDumonde]

What rule are you thinking he changed?

You really don't know what Jesus' sacrifice was about?

 

[Meriweather]

You really don't know what Jesus' sacrifice was about?

I do know what it is about. Jesus laid down his life so that all might know repentance for the forgiveness of sins. Our sins are forgiven. God gave his life that we might be assured of this. Some denominations seem to believe that we needed punished, so God punished Jesus. Not what I learned.

 

[ninja007]

saved from what? saved for how long?

You know, there are other scripture psgs in the Bible. I've read the entire thing so I know...

it's really dangerous to hang your whole eternal destiny on 2 or 3 psgs or even 20 while ignoring the rest of them

ACTUALLY THERES DOZENS- THE IRONY OF A RC SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT ONE VERSE LOL! SOMETHING ABOUT A ROCK AND PETER LOL!

 

[ninja007]

saved from what? saved for how long?

You know, there are other scripture psgs in the Bible. I've read the entire thing so I know...

it's really dangerous to hang your whole eternal destiny on 2 or 3 psgs or even 20 while ignoring the rest of them

(a) Romans 8:30 declares, "And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified." This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven. There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven. Once a person is justified, his salvation is guaranteed—he is as secure as if he is already glorified in heaven.

(b) Paul asks two crucial questions in Romans 8:33-34 "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us." Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? No one will, because Christ is our advocate. Who will condemn us? No one will, because Christ, the One who died for us, is the one who condemns. We have both the advocate and judge as our Savior.

(c) Believers are born again (regenerated) when they believe (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). For a Christian to lose his salvation, he would have to be un-regenerated. The Bible gives no evidence that the new birth can be taken away.

(d) The Holy Spirit indwells all believers (John 14:17; Romans 8:9) and baptizes all believers into the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13). For a believer to become unsaved, he would have to be "un-indwelt" and detached from the Body of Christ.

(e) John 3:15 states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never "eternal" at all. Hence, if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.

(f) In a conclusive argument, Scripture says, "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 8:38–39). Remember the same God who saved you is the same God who will keep you. Once we are saved, we are always saved. Our salvation is most definitely eternally secure!

 

[ding]

None of that changes the absolute insanity of God sacrificing Himself to Himself to change a rule that He Himself made.

Really? What's so insane about God putting himself on trial? You (and others and by others I mean most everyone) do it daily. I think it shows God's incredible sense of humor. He beat us to the punch.

 

[ding]

There is no Heaven

Define heaven. For that matter define God. Because I suspect it's your perception of God and your perception of heaven that is keeping you from being objective on this subject.

 

[Mashmont]

I have a childhood friend who got on drugs and committed suicide. Some would say he's doomed to Hell. But the Bible says you don't know. I offered an indulgence for his soul. If he is in Hell and unable to benefit it will go to someone else.

 

[forkintheroad7]

THE IRONY OF A RC SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT ONE VERSE

 

[forkintheroad7]

Wow... another person who doesn't understand Catholicism

Tells us what Catholicism is!

And what Catholics are!

Who knew that was possible?!

I'm glad some of us do better research than that! (Then again, that's not exactly a high bar)