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seems disingenuous to ask in that way.Light and dark isnt a proper analogy
But the answer of no is socially constructed in this example. No could have another explanation. Again, light cannot be in dark it's impossible and it has no awareness of dark. Vice versa. Dark can't be where light is. Impossible. Neither makes one true and the other untrue. The argument is if light is powerful can it create dark? If it can't then light has limits.
This thread is nothing but a lame attempt to place limitations on God. He has none.
But the answer of no is socially constructed in this example. No could have another explanation. Again, light cannot be in dark it's impossible and it has no awareness of dark. Vice versa. Dark can't be where light is. Impossible. Neither makes one true and the other untrue. The argument is if light is powerful can it create dark? If it can't then light has limits.
Its not an attempt to place a limitation, in fact its to say that an all powerful God cannot be beholden to logic.This thread is nothing but a lame attempt to place limitations on God. He has none.
But the answer of no is socially constructed in this example. No could have another explanation. Again, light cannot be in dark it's impossible and it has no awareness of dark. Vice versa. Dark can't be where light is. Impossible. Neither makes one true and the other untrue. The argument is if light is powerful can it create dark? If it can't then light has limits.
Yes he does, he cant resist teen girls..This thread is nothing but a lame attempt to place limitations on God. He has none.
But the answer of no is socially constructed in this example. No could have another explanation. Again, light cannot be in dark it's impossible and it has no awareness of dark. Vice versa. Dark can't be where light is. Impossible. Neither makes one true and the other untrue. The argument is if light is powerful can it create dark? If it can't then light has limits.
The answer is, "all powerful" cannot exist in a world that operates under the laws of logic.
God can't defy logic. God is logic. That's why your construct is illogical.Its not an attempt to place a limitation, in fact its to say that an all powerful God cannot be beholden to logic.This thread is nothing but a lame attempt to place limitations on God. He has none.
But the answer of no is socially constructed in this example. No could have another explanation. Again, light cannot be in dark it's impossible and it has no awareness of dark. Vice versa. Dark can't be where light is. Impossible. Neither makes one true and the other untrue. The argument is if light is powerful can it create dark? If it can't then light has limits.
Its the exact opposite of imposing a limitation.
Drifter's example of light and dark was a perfect analogy to show how disingenuous your analogy is.Light and dark isnt a proper analogy
But the answer of no is socially constructed in this example. No could have another explanation. Again, light cannot be in dark it's impossible and it has no awareness of dark. Vice versa. Dark can't be where light is. Impossible. Neither makes one true and the other untrue. The argument is if light is powerful can it create dark? If it can't then light has limits.
Its like this ~ infinite power, by definition, has no limitations.
Being unable to negate itself, is a limitation.
Here we have a paradox.
That's a logical axiom, by virtue of the definition of infinite power.
Others use omnipotent.
Others say all powerful.
Regardless, it is axiomatic ~
A power it doesnt have, to negate itself, means it doesnt have all power. A tautology.
The escape from the paradox, is a God that operates outside of the laws of logic themselves. Its the only escape.
Otherwise.....The only other way to escape the paradox is to redefine "all powerful," "infinite power," etc. to lacking the ability to defy logic, therefore explaining why it doesnt have the power to negate itself.
Later when GT argues that God cannot exist because you admitted that omnipotence is in itself is illogical, I want you to remember your posts to me when you first responded to me. Think you can do that?This thread is nothing but a lame attempt to place limitations on God. He has none.
But the answer of no is socially constructed in this example. No could have another explanation. Again, light cannot be in dark it's impossible and it has no awareness of dark. Vice versa. Dark can't be where light is. Impossible. Neither makes one true and the other untrue. The argument is if light is powerful can it create dark? If it can't then light has limits.
If he was all knowing without limitations, wouldnt he know you would fail?He didn't. You chose that.If the abrahamic god doesnt have limitations, is all knowing, why does he create failure?
Yes.If he was all knowing without limitations, wouldnt he know you would fail?He didn't. You chose that.If the abrahamic god doesnt have limitations, is all knowing, why does he create failure?
That's why free will is such a funky subject. Sam Harris has an interesting take on it....also an entire book but he reiterates the thesis in so many podcasts and interviews that I dont find the inspiration to read it.If he was all knowing without limitations, wouldnt he know you would fail?He didn't. You chose that.If the abrahamic god doesnt have limitations, is all knowing, why does he create failure?
If there is a concept as important as infinity to which logic can't apply, does that say something about infinity or logic?Of course, it feels disengenuous. Thats because its frustrating to a person's logic.
How can "all powerful" exist, when it's got logical limitations (cant make a square triangle).....
The answer is, "all powerful" cannot exist in a world that operates under the laws of logic.
Logic cannot apply.
Of course its frustrating.....but its not disengenuous, in that its a legitimate problem.
It could mean that logic is just a local thing, I dont know....but its fun to think aboutIf there is a concept as important as infinity to which logic can't apply, does that say something about infinity or logic?Of course, it feels disengenuous. Thats because its frustrating to a person's logic.
How can "all powerful" exist, when it's got logical limitations (cant make a square triangle).....
The answer is, "all powerful" cannot exist in a world that operates under the laws of logic.
Logic cannot apply.
Of course its frustrating.....but its not disengenuous, in that its a legitimate problem.
Of course. But if logic is only applicable to certain concepts, are you saying that the concept must be wrong, not the logic?It could mean that logic is just a local thing, I dont know....but its fun to think aboutIf there is a concept as important as infinity to which logic can't apply, does that say something about infinity or logic?Of course, it feels disengenuous. Thats because its frustrating to a person's logic.
How can "all powerful" exist, when it's got logical limitations (cant make a square triangle).....
The answer is, "all powerful" cannot exist in a world that operates under the laws of logic.
Logic cannot apply.
Of course its frustrating.....but its not disengenuous, in that its a legitimate problem.
No, that's why it's not some attack on God as some have presumed. Its a question regarding particular folks' views on Gods...Of course. But if logic is only applicable to certain concepts, are you saying that the concept must be wrong, not the logic?It could mean that logic is just a local thing, I dont know....but its fun to think aboutIf there is a concept as important as infinity to which logic can't apply, does that say something about infinity or logic?Of course, it feels disengenuous. Thats because its frustrating to a person's logic.
How can "all powerful" exist, when it's got logical limitations (cant make a square triangle).....
The answer is, "all powerful" cannot exist in a world that operates under the laws of logic.
Logic cannot apply.
Of course its frustrating.....but its not disengenuous, in that its a legitimate problem.
I think logic is a useful but limited tool.
Ah ! That's why you call him a troll. I get it.No, that's why it's not some attack on God as some have presumed. Its a question regarding particular folks' views on Gods...Of course. But if logic is only applicable to certain concepts, are you saying that the concept must be wrong, not the logic?It could mean that logic is just a local thing, I dont know....but its fun to think aboutIf there is a concept as important as infinity to which logic can't apply, does that say something about infinity or logic?Of course, it feels disengenuous. Thats because its frustrating to a person's logic.
How can "all powerful" exist, when it's got logical limitations (cant make a square triangle).....
The answer is, "all powerful" cannot exist in a world that operates under the laws of logic.
Logic cannot apply.
Of course its frustrating.....but its not disengenuous, in that its a legitimate problem.
I think logic is a useful but limited tool.
Infinity power cannot make logical sense, it violates the law of non contradiction..(infinity power, but with a limit, is logically contradictory)...but that wasn't some attack....There were ways around the paradox that even I offered ~ right? So, to presume it's some trap was just a troll job. That's why certain folks aren't worth having amicable discussions with...
Also pretending the omnipotence paradox doesnt exist ....when its been a part of literature for hundreds of years??? That's dealing in egos, not amicable conversation. Its corny, I'm not here to "win" something...and I hate that shitty attitude.
It is all part of the bigger picture that we can't see. Yet.Yes.If he was all knowing without limitations, wouldnt he know you would fail?He didn't. You chose that.If the abrahamic god doesnt have limitations, is all knowing, why does he create failure?
Things and people fail on you but you don’t trash them.
Infinity itself has been something widely discussed in both math, and philosophy. The concept makes sense right...plainly spoken it's just..."no end/limit."Ah ! That's why you call him a troll. I get it.No, that's why it's not some attack on God as some have presumed. Its a question regarding particular folks' views on Gods...Of course. But if logic is only applicable to certain concepts, are you saying that the concept must be wrong, not the logic?It could mean that logic is just a local thing, I dont know....but its fun to think aboutIf there is a concept as important as infinity to which logic can't apply, does that say something about infinity or logic?Of course, it feels disengenuous. Thats because its frustrating to a person's logic.
How can "all powerful" exist, when it's got logical limitations (cant make a square triangle).....
The answer is, "all powerful" cannot exist in a world that operates under the laws of logic.
Logic cannot apply.
Of course its frustrating.....but its not disengenuous, in that its a legitimate problem.
I think logic is a useful but limited tool.
Infinity power cannot make logical sense, it violates the law of non contradiction..(infinity power, but with a limit, is logically contradictory)...but that wasn't some attack....There were ways around the paradox that even I offered ~ right? So, to presume it's some trap was just a troll job. That's why certain folks aren't worth having amicable discussions with...
Also pretending the omnipotence paradox doesnt exist ....when its been a part of literature for hundreds of years??? That's dealing in egos, not amicable conversation. Its corny, I'm not here to "win" something...and I hate that shitty attitude.
If infinite power does not make logical sense, does that mean infinity itself does not make sense?
