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All false and I didn't run from anything. I went Speckeled Trout fishing with my racially aware grandkids.Oh Stephen....here's the argument that sent you running just yesterday:
"The only plausible source (and by far most likely) source of the meaning of 'natural born' for the founders....was British Common law. Most of the framers were lawyers, with all of them having been trained in the British legal tradition. So of course British common law would be their basis. Vattel's law of nation's didn't even mention 'natural born' until about a decade after the constitution was already written. Eliminating it as even a possibility.
And British Common law recognized place of birth as determining natural born status. As the USSC noted in Wong Kim Ark.
Your 'US parents' definition was contradicted by the founders themselves in the Naturalization Act of 1790.....where they recognized that those born to US citizens abroad "shall be considered as natural born citizens". If parentage were the ONLY way natural born status could be conferred, why in the fuck would the founders have found it necessary to extend recognition to those born to US parents? And why would they use the words ''shall be considered as"?
Simple: place of birth was the baseline for natural born status. Which is why those not born in the US had to have natural born status extended to them by force of law. And were merely 'considered as' natural born per the founders.
An explicit contradiction of your assumptions.
Sorry, StormFront.....but you have no idea what you're talking about. Which is why you abandon every thread you're challenged in on your bullshit. As your bullshit doesn't hold up. And we both know it."
Maybe a cassava or two...??Only an illegal alien like Obama could screw up as bad as he has. He makes the common gang banging contributor to our society look bad.
Probably never ate a watermelon
-Geaux
Zullo has not broken any law and is an upstanding patriotic natural born Citizen who utilizes the full resources of the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office by the authorization of Joseph Arpaio. Those resources used proved Obama's birth certificate was a 100% forgery and proved the Hawaiian Dept of Health's official press releases on Obama's birth records were evasive and non-truthful.There is no proof American patriot Mike Zullo was bribed.He doesn't have to since the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office, an authoritative law enforcement agency, found Obama's birth document released on April 27, 2011 to be forged 100% after a long thorough investigation.When do you think Trump will release that proof he said he found about the president's birth certificate?
We've been through this. Maricopa County Sherriff's Office has released no report on the matter. The investigation isn't being done by Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. But by man by the name of Mike Zullo....
.....a man recently caught taking secret bribes from bithers to the tune of 5 figures, and then trying to cover up the bribes with lies and denial.
After two years of denying he personally profited from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office investigation into the validity of President Barack Obama's birth certificate, the head of the sheriff's Cold Case Posse admitted to CBS 5 Investigates that he accepted a large monetary gift from one of the sources in the investigation.
Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO
And when questioned by the press, he adamantly denied it:
In response to questions emailed to him last week regarding personal use of the posse's money, Zullo responded on Tuesday:
"My answer to this question is emphatically No! These accusations that you claim you have heard are absolutely unfounded, slanderous and completely fabricated. They are designed to cast me and this organization in a disparaging light. I am appalled at this accusation!
Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO
Until he was presented with the evidence. And then he admitted to the 'completely fabricated' 'slanderous' and 'unfounded' accusations.
"In 2012 a FedEx envelope arrives unexpectedly at my door, just out of nowhere. When I opened it there is a check for $10,000 made out to me personally from Bill," wrote Zullo. He was referring to Bill Wolf, who was a major researcher in the birther movement.
Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO
And this lying piece of corrupt shit is your source? Any actual police investigator would be in jail if he was caught taking the bribes that Zullo did. The only reason that Zullo isn't in jail is because he's not a police officer.
And Maricopa County Sherriff's office still hasn't released any report. Which they would be required to do if it were an actual police investigation.
Absolute bulllshit. Zullo receives a secret payment from a birther. And only AFTER receiving his bribe does Zullo's 'findings' suddenly match the birther who paid him. With Zullo using the Birther's claims word for word. Entire pages of Zullo's 'findings' are exactly what the Birther told him to write.
That's enormous evidence. And any cop who was taking secret payments from people trying to influence an investigation would have been thrown in jail. The only reason Zullo is still free is that he isn't a cop and the 'Cold Case Posse' is a private non-profit. And aren't conducting a police investigation.
Zullo's a corrupt piece of shit. He took bribes to influence his investigation. His investigation was influenced. And he lied his ass off about it until cornered by the press.
And THIS lying sack of shit is who you want me to trust over the State of Hawaii? You can't be serious.
Zullo has not broken any law and is an upstanding patriotic natural born Citizen who utilizes the full resources of the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office by the authorization of Joseph Arpaio. Those resources used proved Obama's birth certificate was a 100% forgery and proved the Hawaiian Dept of Health's official press releases on Obama's birth records were evasive and non-truthful.There is no proof American patriot Mike Zullo was bribed.He doesn't have to since the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office, an authoritative law enforcement agency, found Obama's birth document released on April 27, 2011 to be forged 100% after a long thorough investigation.When do you think Trump will release that proof he said he found about the president's birth certificate?
We've been through this. Maricopa County Sherriff's Office has released no report on the matter. The investigation isn't being done by Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. But by man by the name of Mike Zullo....
.....a man recently caught taking secret bribes from bithers to the tune of 5 figures, and then trying to cover up the bribes with lies and denial.
After two years of denying he personally profited from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office investigation into the validity of President Barack Obama's birth certificate, the head of the sheriff's Cold Case Posse admitted to CBS 5 Investigates that he accepted a large monetary gift from one of the sources in the investigation.
Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO
And when questioned by the press, he adamantly denied it:
In response to questions emailed to him last week regarding personal use of the posse's money, Zullo responded on Tuesday:
"My answer to this question is emphatically No! These accusations that you claim you have heard are absolutely unfounded, slanderous and completely fabricated. They are designed to cast me and this organization in a disparaging light. I am appalled at this accusation!
Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO
Until he was presented with the evidence. And then he admitted to the 'completely fabricated' 'slanderous' and 'unfounded' accusations.
"In 2012 a FedEx envelope arrives unexpectedly at my door, just out of nowhere. When I opened it there is a check for $10,000 made out to me personally from Bill," wrote Zullo. He was referring to Bill Wolf, who was a major researcher in the birther movement.
Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO
And this lying piece of corrupt shit is your source? Any actual police investigator would be in jail if he was caught taking the bribes that Zullo did. The only reason that Zullo isn't in jail is because he's not a police officer.
And Maricopa County Sherriff's office still hasn't released any report. Which they would be required to do if it were an actual police investigation.
Absolute bulllshit. Zullo receives a secret payment from a birther. And only AFTER receiving his bribe does Zullo's 'findings' suddenly match the birther who paid him. With Zullo using the Birther's claims word for word. Entire pages of Zullo's 'findings' are exactly what the Birther told him to write.
That's enormous evidence. And any cop who was taking secret payments from people trying to influence an investigation would have been thrown in jail. The only reason Zullo is still free is that he isn't a cop and the 'Cold Case Posse' is a private non-profit. And aren't conducting a police investigation.
Zullo's a corrupt piece of shit. He took bribes to influence his investigation. His investigation was influenced. And he lied his ass off about it until cornered by the press.
And THIS lying sack of shit is who you want me to trust over the State of Hawaii? You can't be serious.
Hey man, I love to trout fish and so do my grandchildren. The fish are in a feeding frenzy right now off the surf.All false and I didn't run from anything. I went Speckeled Trout fishing with my racially aware grandkids.Oh Stephen....here's the argument that sent you running just yesterday:
"The only plausible source (and by far most likely) source of the meaning of 'natural born' for the founders....was British Common law. Most of the framers were lawyers, with all of them having been trained in the British legal tradition. So of course British common law would be their basis. Vattel's law of nation's didn't even mention 'natural born' until about a decade after the constitution was already written. Eliminating it as even a possibility.
And British Common law recognized place of birth as determining natural born status. As the USSC noted in Wong Kim Ark.
Your 'US parents' definition was contradicted by the founders themselves in the Naturalization Act of 1790.....where they recognized that those born to US citizens abroad "shall be considered as natural born citizens". If parentage were the ONLY way natural born status could be conferred, why in the fuck would the founders have found it necessary to extend recognition to those born to US parents? And why would they use the words ''shall be considered as"?
Simple: place of birth was the baseline for natural born status. Which is why those not born in the US had to have natural born status extended to them by force of law. And were merely 'considered as' natural born per the founders.
An explicit contradiction of your assumptions.
Sorry, StormFront.....but you have no idea what you're talking about. Which is why you abandon every thread you're challenged in on your bullshit. As your bullshit doesn't hold up. And we both know it."
Laughing.....odd you always go 'trout fishing' whenever I shred your silly batshit. This board is a wasteland of you 'trout fishing' with our tail tucked snuggly between your legs.
You say its 'false', but the Supreme Court has already affirmed that British common law is where the founders drew their definitions. So.....the burden of proof is on you to prove the Supreme Court wrong.
And you can't. Time to go 'trout fishing' against Stephen.
The governor (even Linda Lingle) said that only to back Obama hoping to get federal funding. Governor Abercrombie couldn't find Obama's original birth certificate and dropped his investigation looking for it.Zullo has not broken any law and is an upstanding patriotic natural born Citizen who utilizes the full resources of the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office by the authorization of Joseph Arpaio. Those resources used proved Obama's birth certificate was a 100% forgery and proved the Hawaiian Dept of Health's official press releases on Obama's birth records were evasive and non-truthful.There is no proof American patriot Mike Zullo was bribed.He doesn't have to since the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office, an authoritative law enforcement agency, found Obama's birth document released on April 27, 2011 to be forged 100% after a long thorough investigation.
We've been through this. Maricopa County Sherriff's Office has released no report on the matter. The investigation isn't being done by Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. But by man by the name of Mike Zullo....
.....a man recently caught taking secret bribes from bithers to the tune of 5 figures, and then trying to cover up the bribes with lies and denial.
After two years of denying he personally profited from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office investigation into the validity of President Barack Obama's birth certificate, the head of the sheriff's Cold Case Posse admitted to CBS 5 Investigates that he accepted a large monetary gift from one of the sources in the investigation.
Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO
And when questioned by the press, he adamantly denied it:
In response to questions emailed to him last week regarding personal use of the posse's money, Zullo responded on Tuesday:
"My answer to this question is emphatically No! These accusations that you claim you have heard are absolutely unfounded, slanderous and completely fabricated. They are designed to cast me and this organization in a disparaging light. I am appalled at this accusation!
Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO
Until he was presented with the evidence. And then he admitted to the 'completely fabricated' 'slanderous' and 'unfounded' accusations.
"In 2012 a FedEx envelope arrives unexpectedly at my door, just out of nowhere. When I opened it there is a check for $10,000 made out to me personally from Bill," wrote Zullo. He was referring to Bill Wolf, who was a major researcher in the birther movement.
Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO
And this lying piece of corrupt shit is your source? Any actual police investigator would be in jail if he was caught taking the bribes that Zullo did. The only reason that Zullo isn't in jail is because he's not a police officer.
And Maricopa County Sherriff's office still hasn't released any report. Which they would be required to do if it were an actual police investigation.
Absolute bulllshit. Zullo receives a secret payment from a birther. And only AFTER receiving his bribe does Zullo's 'findings' suddenly match the birther who paid him. With Zullo using the Birther's claims word for word. Entire pages of Zullo's 'findings' are exactly what the Birther told him to write.
That's enormous evidence. And any cop who was taking secret payments from people trying to influence an investigation would have been thrown in jail. The only reason Zullo is still free is that he isn't a cop and the 'Cold Case Posse' is a private non-profit. And aren't conducting a police investigation.
Zullo's a corrupt piece of shit. He took bribes to influence his investigation. His investigation was influenced. And he lied his ass off about it until cornered by the press.
And THIS lying sack of shit is who you want me to trust over the State of Hawaii? You can't be serious.
Obama has the governor of Hawaii supporting that he was born in that state
The governor (even Linda Lingle) said that only to back Obama hoping to get federal funding. Governor Abercrombie couldn't find Obama's original birth certificate and dropped his investigation looking for it.Zullo has not broken any law and is an upstanding patriotic natural born Citizen who utilizes the full resources of the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office by the authorization of Joseph Arpaio. Those resources used proved Obama's birth certificate was a 100% forgery and proved the Hawaiian Dept of Health's official press releases on Obama's birth records were evasive and non-truthful.There is no proof American patriot Mike Zullo was bribed.We've been through this. Maricopa County Sherriff's Office has released no report on the matter. The investigation isn't being done by Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. But by man by the name of Mike Zullo....
.....a man recently caught taking secret bribes from bithers to the tune of 5 figures, and then trying to cover up the bribes with lies and denial.
And when questioned by the press, he adamantly denied it:
Until he was presented with the evidence. And then he admitted to the 'completely fabricated' 'slanderous' and 'unfounded' accusations.
And this lying piece of corrupt shit is your source? Any actual police investigator would be in jail if he was caught taking the bribes that Zullo did. The only reason that Zullo isn't in jail is because he's not a police officer.
And Maricopa County Sherriff's office still hasn't released any report. Which they would be required to do if it were an actual police investigation.
Absolute bulllshit. Zullo receives a secret payment from a birther. And only AFTER receiving his bribe does Zullo's 'findings' suddenly match the birther who paid him. With Zullo using the Birther's claims word for word. Entire pages of Zullo's 'findings' are exactly what the Birther told him to write.
That's enormous evidence. And any cop who was taking secret payments from people trying to influence an investigation would have been thrown in jail. The only reason Zullo is still free is that he isn't a cop and the 'Cold Case Posse' is a private non-profit. And aren't conducting a police investigation.
Zullo's a corrupt piece of shit. He took bribes to influence his investigation. His investigation was influenced. And he lied his ass off about it until cornered by the press.
And THIS lying sack of shit is who you want me to trust over the State of Hawaii? You can't be serious.
Obama has the governor of Hawaii supporting that he was born in that state
Nope. Born in Jamaica Hospital in New York.The governor (even Linda Lingle) said that only to back Obama hoping to get federal funding. Governor Abercrombie couldn't find Obama's original birth certificate and dropped his investigation looking for it.Zullo has not broken any law and is an upstanding patriotic natural born Citizen who utilizes the full resources of the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office by the authorization of Joseph Arpaio. Those resources used proved Obama's birth certificate was a 100% forgery and proved the Hawaiian Dept of Health's official press releases on Obama's birth records were evasive and non-truthful.There is no proof American patriot Mike Zullo was bribed.
Absolute bulllshit. Zullo receives a secret payment from a birther. And only AFTER receiving his bribe does Zullo's 'findings' suddenly match the birther who paid him. With Zullo using the Birther's claims word for word. Entire pages of Zullo's 'findings' are exactly what the Birther told him to write.
That's enormous evidence. And any cop who was taking secret payments from people trying to influence an investigation would have been thrown in jail. The only reason Zullo is still free is that he isn't a cop and the 'Cold Case Posse' is a private non-profit. And aren't conducting a police investigation.
Zullo's a corrupt piece of shit. He took bribes to influence his investigation. His investigation was influenced. And he lied his ass off about it until cornered by the press.
And THIS lying sack of shit is who you want me to trust over the State of Hawaii? You can't be serious.
Obama has the governor of Hawaii supporting that he was born in that state
No US Governor is willing to state that Trump was born in their state
That is because he was born in Jamaica
Nope. Born in Jamaica Hospital in New York.The governor (even Linda Lingle) said that only to back Obama hoping to get federal funding. Governor Abercrombie couldn't find Obama's original birth certificate and dropped his investigation looking for it.Zullo has not broken any law and is an upstanding patriotic natural born Citizen who utilizes the full resources of the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office by the authorization of Joseph Arpaio. Those resources used proved Obama's birth certificate was a 100% forgery and proved the Hawaiian Dept of Health's official press releases on Obama's birth records were evasive and non-truthful.Absolute bulllshit. Zullo receives a secret payment from a birther. And only AFTER receiving his bribe does Zullo's 'findings' suddenly match the birther who paid him. With Zullo using the Birther's claims word for word. Entire pages of Zullo's 'findings' are exactly what the Birther told him to write.
That's enormous evidence. And any cop who was taking secret payments from people trying to influence an investigation would have been thrown in jail. The only reason Zullo is still free is that he isn't a cop and the 'Cold Case Posse' is a private non-profit. And aren't conducting a police investigation.
Zullo's a corrupt piece of shit. He took bribes to influence his investigation. His investigation was influenced. And he lied his ass off about it until cornered by the press.
And THIS lying sack of shit is who you want me to trust over the State of Hawaii? You can't be serious.
Obama has the governor of Hawaii supporting that he was born in that state
No US Governor is willing to state that Trump was born in their state
That is because he was born in Jamaica
Hey man, I love to trout fish and so do my grandchildren. The fish are in a feeding frenzy right now off the surf.All false and I didn't run from anything. I went Speckeled Trout fishing with my racially aware grandkids.Oh Stephen....here's the argument that sent you running just yesterday:
"The only plausible source (and by far most likely) source of the meaning of 'natural born' for the founders....was British Common law. Most of the framers were lawyers, with all of them having been trained in the British legal tradition. So of course British common law would be their basis. Vattel's law of nation's didn't even mention 'natural born' until about a decade after the constitution was already written. Eliminating it as even a possibility.
And British Common law recognized place of birth as determining natural born status. As the USSC noted in Wong Kim Ark.
Your 'US parents' definition was contradicted by the founders themselves in the Naturalization Act of 1790.....where they recognized that those born to US citizens abroad "shall be considered as natural born citizens". If parentage were the ONLY way natural born status could be conferred, why in the fuck would the founders have found it necessary to extend recognition to those born to US parents? And why would they use the words ''shall be considered as"?
Simple: place of birth was the baseline for natural born status. Which is why those not born in the US had to have natural born status extended to them by force of law. And were merely 'considered as' natural born per the founders.
An explicit contradiction of your assumptions.
Sorry, StormFront.....but you have no idea what you're talking about. Which is why you abandon every thread you're challenged in on your bullshit. As your bullshit doesn't hold up. And we both know it."
Laughing.....odd you always go 'trout fishing' whenever I shred your silly batshit. This board is a wasteland of you 'trout fishing' with our tail tucked snuggly between your legs.
You say its 'false', but the Supreme Court has already affirmed that British common law is where the founders drew their definitions. So.....the burden of proof is on you to prove the Supreme Court wrong.
And you can't. Time to go 'trout fishing' against Stephen.
You sound like a little immature bully who got his ass kicked in school.Hey man, I love to trout fish and so do my grandchildren. The fish are in a feeding frenzy right now off the surf.All false and I didn't run from anything. I went Speckeled Trout fishing with my racially aware grandkids.Oh Stephen....here's the argument that sent you running just yesterday:
"The only plausible source (and by far most likely) source of the meaning of 'natural born' for the founders....was British Common law. Most of the framers were lawyers, with all of them having been trained in the British legal tradition. So of course British common law would be their basis. Vattel's law of nation's didn't even mention 'natural born' until about a decade after the constitution was already written. Eliminating it as even a possibility.
And British Common law recognized place of birth as determining natural born status. As the USSC noted in Wong Kim Ark.
Your 'US parents' definition was contradicted by the founders themselves in the Naturalization Act of 1790.....where they recognized that those born to US citizens abroad "shall be considered as natural born citizens". If parentage were the ONLY way natural born status could be conferred, why in the fuck would the founders have found it necessary to extend recognition to those born to US parents? And why would they use the words ''shall be considered as"?
Simple: place of birth was the baseline for natural born status. Which is why those not born in the US had to have natural born status extended to them by force of law. And were merely 'considered as' natural born per the founders.
An explicit contradiction of your assumptions.
Sorry, StormFront.....but you have no idea what you're talking about. Which is why you abandon every thread you're challenged in on your bullshit. As your bullshit doesn't hold up. And we both know it."
Laughing.....odd you always go 'trout fishing' whenever I shred your silly batshit. This board is a wasteland of you 'trout fishing' with our tail tucked snuggly between your legs.
You say its 'false', but the Supreme Court has already affirmed that British common law is where the founders drew their definitions. So.....the burden of proof is on you to prove the Supreme Court wrong.
And you can't. Time to go 'trout fishing' against Stephen.
And you love them all the more the moment I start shredding your silly argument. Even now, you won't touch the discussion with a 10 foot pole. You won't address any point raised, discuss any source, any court ruling.
You just run. Remember that. You always run. The only thing that changes is your excuse for doing it.
Zullo has not broken any law and is an upstanding patriotic natural born Citizen who utilizes the full resources of the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office by the authorization of Joseph Arpaio.There is no proof American patriot Mike Zullo was bribed.He doesn't have to since the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office, an authoritative law enforcement agency, found Obama's birth document released on April 27, 2011 to be forged 100% after a long thorough investigation.When do you think Trump will release that proof he said he found about the president's birth certificate?
We've been through this. Maricopa County Sherriff's Office has released no report on the matter. The investigation isn't being done by Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. But by man by the name of Mike Zullo....
.....a man recently caught taking secret bribes from bithers to the tune of 5 figures, and then trying to cover up the bribes with lies and denial.
After two years of denying he personally profited from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office investigation into the validity of President Barack Obama's birth certificate, the head of the sheriff's Cold Case Posse admitted to CBS 5 Investigates that he accepted a large monetary gift from one of the sources in the investigation.
Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO
And when questioned by the press, he adamantly denied it:
In response to questions emailed to him last week regarding personal use of the posse's money, Zullo responded on Tuesday:
"My answer to this question is emphatically No! These accusations that you claim you have heard are absolutely unfounded, slanderous and completely fabricated. They are designed to cast me and this organization in a disparaging light. I am appalled at this accusation!
Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO
Until he was presented with the evidence. And then he admitted to the 'completely fabricated' 'slanderous' and 'unfounded' accusations.
"In 2012 a FedEx envelope arrives unexpectedly at my door, just out of nowhere. When I opened it there is a check for $10,000 made out to me personally from Bill," wrote Zullo. He was referring to Bill Wolf, who was a major researcher in the birther movement.
Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO
And this lying piece of corrupt shit is your source? Any actual police investigator would be in jail if he was caught taking the bribes that Zullo did. The only reason that Zullo isn't in jail is because he's not a police officer.
And Maricopa County Sherriff's office still hasn't released any report. Which they would be required to do if it were an actual police investigation.
Absolute bulllshit. Zullo receives a secret payment from a birther. And only AFTER receiving his bribe does Zullo's 'findings' suddenly match the birther who paid him. With Zullo using the Birther's claims word for word. Entire pages of Zullo's 'findings' are exactly what the Birther told him to write.
That's enormous evidence. And any cop who was taking secret payments from people trying to influence an investigation would have been thrown in jail. The only reason Zullo is still free is that he isn't a cop and the 'Cold Case Posse' is a private non-profit. And aren't conducting a police investigation.
Zullo's a corrupt piece of shit. He took bribes to influence his investigation. His investigation was influenced. And he lied his ass off about it until cornered by the press.
And THIS lying sack of shit is who you want me to trust over the State of Hawaii? You can't be serious.
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Those resources used proved Obama's birth certificate was a 100% forgery and proved the Hawaiian Dept of Health's official press releases on Obama's birth records were evasive and non-truthful.
You sound like a little immature bully who got his ass kicked in school.Hey man, I love to trout fish and so do my grandchildren. The fish are in a feeding frenzy right now off the surf.All false and I didn't run from anything. I went Speckeled Trout fishing with my racially aware grandkids.Oh Stephen....here's the argument that sent you running just yesterday:
"The only plausible source (and by far most likely) source of the meaning of 'natural born' for the founders....was British Common law. Most of the framers were lawyers, with all of them having been trained in the British legal tradition. So of course British common law would be their basis. Vattel's law of nation's didn't even mention 'natural born' until about a decade after the constitution was already written. Eliminating it as even a possibility.
And British Common law recognized place of birth as determining natural born status. As the USSC noted in Wong Kim Ark.
Your 'US parents' definition was contradicted by the founders themselves in the Naturalization Act of 1790.....where they recognized that those born to US citizens abroad "shall be considered as natural born citizens". If parentage were the ONLY way natural born status could be conferred, why in the fuck would the founders have found it necessary to extend recognition to those born to US parents? And why would they use the words ''shall be considered as"?
Simple: place of birth was the baseline for natural born status. Which is why those not born in the US had to have natural born status extended to them by force of law. And were merely 'considered as' natural born per the founders.
An explicit contradiction of your assumptions.
Sorry, StormFront.....but you have no idea what you're talking about. Which is why you abandon every thread you're challenged in on your bullshit. As your bullshit doesn't hold up. And we both know it."
Laughing.....odd you always go 'trout fishing' whenever I shred your silly batshit. This board is a wasteland of you 'trout fishing' with our tail tucked snuggly between your legs.
You say its 'false', but the Supreme Court has already affirmed that British common law is where the founders drew their definitions. So.....the burden of proof is on you to prove the Supreme Court wrong.
And you can't. Time to go 'trout fishing' against Stephen.
And you love them all the more the moment I start shredding your silly argument. Even now, you won't touch the discussion with a 10 foot pole. You won't address any point raised, discuss any source, any court ruling.
You just run. Remember that. You always run. The only thing that changes is your excuse for doing it.
He doesn't have to since the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office, an authoritative law enforcement agency, found Obama's birth document released on April 27, 2011 to be forged 100% after a long thorough investigation.When do you think Trump will release that proof he said he found about the president's birth certificate?
You see, the guidance of the writings of Vattel helped many of the early U.S. Supreme Courts make decisions which eventually grew the body of decisions becoming U.S. Federal Common Law.
Even three of our early presidents including Thomas Jefferson matriculated at William and Mary College in Virginia. There they learned about Natural Law and National Law for our new nation. And the text book specifically prescribed by the College of William and Mary’s regulations to study National Law was in fact The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law by who? Why Emer de Vattel, that's who. Hell, even thec1st Supreme Court Justice John Jay points to Vattel in 1785. That's almost 2 years before the signing of the U.S. Constitution (September 17, 1787).
Jay To The President Of Congress,
Office For Foreign Affairs,
24th November, 1785.
Correspondence and public papers
All false and I didn't run from anything. I went Speckeled Trout fishing with my racially aware grandkids. Are you racially aware? The founders certainly were. The proof is in the 1790 Naturalization Act, the very first legislation of the 1st Congress. They wanted this country for all free White people. It's in the text.Oh Stephen....here's the argument that sent you running just yesterday:
"The only plausible source (and by far most likely) source of the meaning of 'natural born' for the founders....was British Common law. Most of the framers were lawyers, with all of them having been trained in the British legal tradition. So of course British common law would be their basis. Vattel's law of nation's didn't even mention 'natural born' until about a decade after the constitution was already written. Eliminating it as even a possibility.
And British Common law recognized place of birth as determining natural born status. As the USSC noted in Wong Kim Ark.
Your 'US parents' definition was contradicted by the founders themselves in the Naturalization Act of 1790.....where they recognized that those born to US citizens abroad "shall be considered as natural born citizens". If parentage were the ONLY way natural born status could be conferred, why in the fuck would the founders have found it necessary to extend recognition to those born to US parents? And why would they use the words ''shall be considered as"?
Simple: place of birth was the baseline for natural born status. Which is why those not born in the US had to have natural born status extended to them by force of law. And were merely 'considered as' natural born per the founders.
An explicit contradiction of your assumptions.
Sorry, StormFront.....but you have no idea what you're talking about. Which is why you abandon every thread you're challenged in on your bullshit. As your bullshit doesn't hold up. And we both know it."
He doesn't have to since the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office, an authoritative law enforcement agency, found Obama's birth document released on April 27, 2011 to be forged 100% after a long thorough investigation.When do you think Trump will release that proof he said he found about the president's birth certificate?
There is no proof American patriot Mike Zullo was bribedHe doesn't have to since the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office, an authoritative law enforcement agency, found Obama's birth document released on April 27, 2011 to be forged 100% after a long thorough investigation.When do you think Trump will release that proof he said he found about the president's birth certificate?
We've been through this. Maricopa County Sherriff's Office has released no report on the matter. The investigation isn't being done by Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. But by man by the name of Mike Zullo....
.....a man recently caught taking secret bribes from bithers to the tune of 5 figures, and then trying to cover up the bribes with lies and denial.
After two years of denying he personally profited from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office investigation into the validity of President Barack Obama's birth certificate, the head of the sheriff's Cold Case Posse admitted to CBS 5 Investigates that he accepted a large monetary gift from one of the sources in the investigation.
Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO
And when questioned by the press, he adamantly denied it:
In response to questions emailed to him last week regarding personal use of the posse's money, Zullo responded on Tuesday:
"My answer to this question is emphatically No! These accusations that you claim you have heard are absolutely unfounded, slanderous and completely fabricated. They are designed to cast me and this organization in a disparaging light. I am appalled at this accusation!
Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO
Until he was presented with the evidence. And then he admitted to the 'completely fabricated' 'slanderous' and 'unfounded' accusations.
"In 2012 a FedEx envelope arrives unexpectedly at my door, just out of nowhere. When I opened it there is a check for $10,000 made out to me personally from Bill," wrote Zullo. He was referring to Bill Wolf, who was a major researcher in the birther movement.
Read more: Birther posse chief I accepted 10 000 from source - CBS 5 - KPHO
And this lying piece of corrupt shit is your source? Any actual police investigator would be in jail if he was caught taking the bribes that Zullo did. The only reason that Zullo isn't in jail is because he's not a police officer.
And Maricopa County Sherriff's office still hasn't released any report. Which they would be required to do if it were an actual police investigation.
