Donald Trump vows to protect Christianity and protect their heritage

[Andylusion]

Those Jesus loving asses did not come out and vote in 2012. They will now and it won't be for Hillary. Hillary is in "no ways tired" of pandering to blocks of voters, Trump can do it too.

Even the Jesus-freaks can't save Trump, from himself mostly.

And Trump is to Jesus what Judas was to Jesus. The idea that Trump is a better representative of the teachings of Jesus is fucking appalling. Unbiblical to the core. Sorry, Jesus, they know not what they do.

First you run down Jesus and now you defend him by knocking Trump. Take your meds.

Yeshua was an interesting fellow, the people who claim to follow him and call him Jesus are morons. But nothing in Trumps life would qualify as something Yeshua would approve of. Not a goddamn thing. Trump is exactly what Yeshua told people not to be.

This is what Christ told people:
1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Trump never, ever looks at himself except to say what a wonder he is in the mirror. Take your own advice, Christ-bitch.

People like you don't draw others to your Lord, you repel them. Trump is, like you, exactly what Jesus said one should not be. If Trump had any power he would be the anti-Christ as he is nothing like the Christ, and neither are you.

You keep talking about Trump, and then magically apply it to Christians.

I could say the same about Christians who voted for Obama.

Both are equally invalid. If you want to talk about Trump, fine, then talk about Trump.

If you want to cry about Christians, fine, cry about Christians.

But to go "Trump doesn't do X....... and er.... Christians are terrible!" What does one have to do with the other?

This isn't even logical. Did Trump come from the "Christian Coalition"? Did he come form the Southern Baptist Convention?

Trump does not, and never did, nor ever will, represent Christianity. So your attempt to tie everything Trump does, to Christians, is illogical.

It just shows you are consumed with bitterness and hate. You are becoming rather pitiful on here.

 

[Correll]

Many Christians have formed or joined political groups.

As such, they have just as much right to support various types of policies that might "tell anyone else how to live their life", just like every other political group or American citizen.

Many have joined, which makes them nothing like Jesus. Find for us, in the teachings of Jesus, where he said one should be political and use the government to their advantage and to promote their morality?

Find for me where he says you CAN'T.

Easy.

Matthew 21:

21From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

23Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

24Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. 26What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 27For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

28“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

The things of man are political things, human concerns and nothing a Christian should concern themselves with. Politics is Caesar, nothing at all godly.

Paying Taxes to Caesar
(Matthew 22:15-22; Mark 12:13-17)

19When the scribes and chief priests realized that Jesus had spoken this parable against them, they sought to arrest Him that very hour. But they were afraid of the people.

20So they watched Him closely and sent spies who pretended to be sincere. They were hoping to catch Him in His words in order to hand Him over to the rule and authority of the governor. 21“Teacher,” they inquired, “we know that You speak and teach correctly. You show no partiality, but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. 22Is it lawful for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”

23But Jesus saw through their duplicity and said to them, 24“Show Me a denarius.b Whose image and inscription are on it?”

“Caesar’s,” they answered.

25So Jesus told them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

26And they were unable to trap Him in His words before the people; and astonished at His answer, they fell silent.

Jesus had nothing at all to do with politics, and neither should anyone who followers him. Politics is a game for whores. Is that what a believer in Christ should seek to become? To cut deals with other political devils?

So you quoted parts talking about paying taxes, which I agree. And you covered the parts talking about human concerns verses G-dly concerns. I agree.

Now where does it say that in a democracy Christians shouldn't vote, or make their voices heard?

You do realize that most of the old testament involves politics, Kings, Queens, serving in the government, and even changing the laws of the land?

You people take a passage, pull a few quotes out of context, and then just make it all up. Nothing you claim, is what was in the passage. Bonkers. You people are bonkers.

I'll let Saint Paul explain it to you.

Romans 13:

Submit to Government
13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

Now, these Christians, fighting against the government, using politics to get their way, are they obeying the teachings of Paul? The teachings f Jesus being focused on 'human concerns"?

And I never, ever, quote out of context.

And this is the lib that denied wanting to shut Christians out of politics...

 

[JumpingPete]

Jesus had nothing to do with Politics and stated that politics was not the way to find him.

Should the Christians not emulate Jesus?

Jesus was well aware of politics, and rejected it for the Kingdom of God instead. So, what should a Christian do? Do as Jesus did? Or the opposite of what Jesus did?

 

[Andylusion]

Many Christians have formed or joined political groups.

As such, they have just as much right to support various types of policies that might "tell anyone else how to live their life", just like every other political group or American citizen.

Many have joined, which makes them nothing like Jesus. Find for us, in the teachings of Jesus, where he said one should be political and use the government to their advantage and to promote their morality?

Find for me where he says you CAN'T.

Easy.

Matthew 21:

21From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

23Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

24Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. 26What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 27For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

28“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

The things of man are political things, human concerns and nothing a Christian should concern themselves with. Politics is Caesar, nothing at all godly.

Paying Taxes to Caesar
(Matthew 22:15-22; Mark 12:13-17)

19When the scribes and chief priests realized that Jesus had spoken this parable against them, they sought to arrest Him that very hour. But they were afraid of the people.

20So they watched Him closely and sent spies who pretended to be sincere. They were hoping to catch Him in His words in order to hand Him over to the rule and authority of the governor. 21“Teacher,” they inquired, “we know that You speak and teach correctly. You show no partiality, but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. 22Is it lawful for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”

23But Jesus saw through their duplicity and said to them, 24“Show Me a denarius.b Whose image and inscription are on it?”

“Caesar’s,” they answered.

25So Jesus told them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

26And they were unable to trap Him in His words before the people; and astonished at His answer, they fell silent.

Jesus had nothing at all to do with politics, and neither should anyone who followers him. Politics is a game for whores. Is that what a believer in Christ should seek to become? To cut deals with other political devils?

So you quoted parts talking about paying taxes, which I agree. And you covered the parts talking about human concerns verses G-dly concerns. I agree.

Now where does it say that in a democracy Christians shouldn't vote, or make their voices heard?

You do realize that most of the old testament involves politics, Kings, Queens, serving in the government, and even changing the laws of the land?

You people take a passage, pull a few quotes out of context, and then just make it all up. Nothing you claim, is what was in the passage. Bonkers. You people are bonkers.

I'll let Saint Paul explain it to you.

Romans 13:

Submit to Government
13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

Now, these Christians, fighting against the government, using politics to get their way, are they obeying the teachings of Paul? The teachings f Jesus being focused on 'human concerns"?

And I never, ever, quote out of context.

Again............ I agree with everything in there. We as Christians follow the law as much as we possibly can, provided it does not conflict with our faith. If you passed a law saying we were required to murder Hispanics, Christians would be required by our faith, to disobey that law.

But as long as the laws of the pagans, do not conflict with the laws of our faith, we follow the law. The 65 speed limit, does not conflict with my faith.... which routinely drives other people crazy, as they pass my Grand Marquis on both sides, while I sit back with the cruise control on exactly 65.

So I agree with everything you posted.

Now, back to your claim.... where in that quoted passage does it say that Christians should not let their voices be heard, or that they shouldn't vote?

It's not there. You just made it up. You are a liar. Have a nice day liar.

 

[JumpingPete]

Many have joined, which makes them nothing like Jesus. Find for us, in the teachings of Jesus, where he said one should be political and use the government to their advantage and to promote their morality?

Find for me where he says you CAN'T.

Easy.

Matthew 21:

21From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

23Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

24Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. 26What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 27For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

28“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

The things of man are political things, human concerns and nothing a Christian should concern themselves with. Politics is Caesar, nothing at all godly.

Paying Taxes to Caesar
(Matthew 22:15-22; Mark 12:13-17)

19When the scribes and chief priests realized that Jesus had spoken this parable against them, they sought to arrest Him that very hour. But they were afraid of the people.

20So they watched Him closely and sent spies who pretended to be sincere. They were hoping to catch Him in His words in order to hand Him over to the rule and authority of the governor. 21“Teacher,” they inquired, “we know that You speak and teach correctly. You show no partiality, but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. 22Is it lawful for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”

23But Jesus saw through their duplicity and said to them, 24“Show Me a denarius.b Whose image and inscription are on it?”

“Caesar’s,” they answered.

25So Jesus told them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

26And they were unable to trap Him in His words before the people; and astonished at His answer, they fell silent.

Jesus had nothing at all to do with politics, and neither should anyone who followers him. Politics is a game for whores. Is that what a believer in Christ should seek to become? To cut deals with other political devils?

So you quoted parts talking about paying taxes, which I agree. And you covered the parts talking about human concerns verses G-dly concerns. I agree.

Now where does it say that in a democracy Christians shouldn't vote, or make their voices heard?

You do realize that most of the old testament involves politics, Kings, Queens, serving in the government, and even changing the laws of the land?

You people take a passage, pull a few quotes out of context, and then just make it all up. Nothing you claim, is what was in the passage. Bonkers. You people are bonkers.

I'll let Saint Paul explain it to you.

Romans 13:

Submit to Government
13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

Now, these Christians, fighting against the government, using politics to get their way, are they obeying the teachings of Paul? The teachings f Jesus being focused on 'human concerns"?

And I never, ever, quote out of context.

And this is the lib that denied wanting to shut Christians out of politics...

Whether they are shut out or not doesn't matter a damn. Like seeking wealth Jesus taught them to do no such thing. He did not seek wealth, he did not engage in politics so, what should a faithful Christian do, emulate Jesus and obey his teachings or be like Trump and seek wealth and political power?

 

[Andylusion]

Many have joined, which makes them nothing like Jesus. Find for us, in the teachings of Jesus, where he said one should be political and use the government to their advantage and to promote their morality?

Find for me where he says you CAN'T.

Easy.

Matthew 21:

21From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

23Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

24Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. 26What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 27For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

28“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

The things of man are political things, human concerns and nothing a Christian should concern themselves with. Politics is Caesar, nothing at all godly.

Paying Taxes to Caesar
(Matthew 22:15-22; Mark 12:13-17)

19When the scribes and chief priests realized that Jesus had spoken this parable against them, they sought to arrest Him that very hour. But they were afraid of the people.

20So they watched Him closely and sent spies who pretended to be sincere. They were hoping to catch Him in His words in order to hand Him over to the rule and authority of the governor. 21“Teacher,” they inquired, “we know that You speak and teach correctly. You show no partiality, but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. 22Is it lawful for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”

23But Jesus saw through their duplicity and said to them, 24“Show Me a denarius.b Whose image and inscription are on it?”

“Caesar’s,” they answered.

25So Jesus told them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

26And they were unable to trap Him in His words before the people; and astonished at His answer, they fell silent.

Jesus had nothing at all to do with politics, and neither should anyone who followers him. Politics is a game for whores. Is that what a believer in Christ should seek to become? To cut deals with other political devils?

So you quoted parts talking about paying taxes, which I agree. And you covered the parts talking about human concerns verses G-dly concerns. I agree.

Now where does it say that in a democracy Christians shouldn't vote, or make their voices heard?

You do realize that most of the old testament involves politics, Kings, Queens, serving in the government, and even changing the laws of the land?

You people take a passage, pull a few quotes out of context, and then just make it all up. Nothing you claim, is what was in the passage. Bonkers. You people are bonkers.

I'll let Saint Paul explain it to you.

Romans 13:

Submit to Government
13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

Now, these Christians, fighting against the government, using politics to get their way, are they obeying the teachings of Paul? The teachings f Jesus being focused on 'human concerns"?

And I never, ever, quote out of context.

And this is the lib that denied wanting to shut Christians out of politics...

Well he's trying to twist the argument around, so that he can claim deniability. He's trying to twist the teachings of the Bible, to claim we should supposedly shut ourselves out of politics. That way he can claim he's not doing it.

He's liar. He's lied a dozens times in just the few posts of his I've read. Typical left-wing logic. Nothing new or surprising here.

 

[JumpingPete]

Many have joined, which makes them nothing like Jesus. Find for us, in the teachings of Jesus, where he said one should be political and use the government to their advantage and to promote their morality?

Find for me where he says you CAN'T.

Easy.

Matthew 21:

21From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

23Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

24Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. 26What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 27For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

28“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

The things of man are political things, human concerns and nothing a Christian should concern themselves with. Politics is Caesar, nothing at all godly.

Paying Taxes to Caesar
(Matthew 22:15-22; Mark 12:13-17)

19When the scribes and chief priests realized that Jesus had spoken this parable against them, they sought to arrest Him that very hour. But they were afraid of the people.

20So they watched Him closely and sent spies who pretended to be sincere. They were hoping to catch Him in His words in order to hand Him over to the rule and authority of the governor. 21“Teacher,” they inquired, “we know that You speak and teach correctly. You show no partiality, but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. 22Is it lawful for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”

23But Jesus saw through their duplicity and said to them, 24“Show Me a denarius.b Whose image and inscription are on it?”

“Caesar’s,” they answered.

25So Jesus told them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

26And they were unable to trap Him in His words before the people; and astonished at His answer, they fell silent.

Jesus had nothing at all to do with politics, and neither should anyone who followers him. Politics is a game for whores. Is that what a believer in Christ should seek to become? To cut deals with other political devils?

So you quoted parts talking about paying taxes, which I agree. And you covered the parts talking about human concerns verses G-dly concerns. I agree.

Now where does it say that in a democracy Christians shouldn't vote, or make their voices heard?

You do realize that most of the old testament involves politics, Kings, Queens, serving in the government, and even changing the laws of the land?

You people take a passage, pull a few quotes out of context, and then just make it all up. Nothing you claim, is what was in the passage. Bonkers. You people are bonkers.

I'll let Saint Paul explain it to you.

Romans 13:

Submit to Government
13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

Now, these Christians, fighting against the government, using politics to get their way, are they obeying the teachings of Paul? The teachings f Jesus being focused on 'human concerns"?

And I never, ever, quote out of context.

Again............ I agree with everything in there. We as Christians follow the law as much as we possibly can, provided it does not conflict with our faith. If you passed a law saying we were required to murder Hispanics, Christians would be required by our faith, to disobey that law.

But as long as the laws of the pagans, do not conflict with the laws of our faith, we follow the law. The 65 speed limit, does not conflict with my faith.... which routinely drives other people crazy, as they pass my Grand Marquis on both sides, while I sit back with the cruise control on exactly 65.

So I agree with everything you posted.

Now, back to your claim.... where in that quoted passage does it say that Christians should not let their voices be heard, or that they shouldn't vote?

It's not there. You just made it up. You are a liar. Have a nice day liar.

I never claimed they shouldn't vote, I said they shouldn't be political but ask yourself this, would Jesus have voted, would he have voted for the lesser of two evils? Yes or no, Christian?

 

[JumpingPete]

Find for me where he says you CAN'T.

Easy.

Matthew 21:

21From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

23Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

24Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. 26What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 27For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

28“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

The things of man are political things, human concerns and nothing a Christian should concern themselves with. Politics is Caesar, nothing at all godly.

Paying Taxes to Caesar
(Matthew 22:15-22; Mark 12:13-17)

19When the scribes and chief priests realized that Jesus had spoken this parable against them, they sought to arrest Him that very hour. But they were afraid of the people.

20So they watched Him closely and sent spies who pretended to be sincere. They were hoping to catch Him in His words in order to hand Him over to the rule and authority of the governor. 21“Teacher,” they inquired, “we know that You speak and teach correctly. You show no partiality, but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. 22Is it lawful for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”

23But Jesus saw through their duplicity and said to them, 24“Show Me a denarius.b Whose image and inscription are on it?”

“Caesar’s,” they answered.

25So Jesus told them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

26And they were unable to trap Him in His words before the people; and astonished at His answer, they fell silent.

Jesus had nothing at all to do with politics, and neither should anyone who followers him. Politics is a game for whores. Is that what a believer in Christ should seek to become? To cut deals with other political devils?

So you quoted parts talking about paying taxes, which I agree. And you covered the parts talking about human concerns verses G-dly concerns. I agree.

Now where does it say that in a democracy Christians shouldn't vote, or make their voices heard?

You do realize that most of the old testament involves politics, Kings, Queens, serving in the government, and even changing the laws of the land?

You people take a passage, pull a few quotes out of context, and then just make it all up. Nothing you claim, is what was in the passage. Bonkers. You people are bonkers.

I'll let Saint Paul explain it to you.

Romans 13:

Submit to Government
13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

Now, these Christians, fighting against the government, using politics to get their way, are they obeying the teachings of Paul? The teachings f Jesus being focused on 'human concerns"?

And I never, ever, quote out of context.

And this is the lib that denied wanting to shut Christians out of politics...

Well he's trying to twist the argument around, so that he can claim deniability. He's trying to twist the teachings of the Bible, to claim we should supposedly shut ourselves out of politics. That way he can claim he's not doing it.

He's liar. He's lied a dozens times in just the few posts of his I've read. Typical left-wing logic. Nothing new or surprising here.

Name your Kingdom, Christian? That of God, that which Jesus chose? Or that of Man?

You cannot serve both just as no man can serve two masters. A teaching of Jesus.

 

[JumpingPete]

Even the Jesus-freaks can't save Trump, from himself mostly.

And Trump is to Jesus what Judas was to Jesus. The idea that Trump is a better representative of the teachings of Jesus is fucking appalling. Unbiblical to the core. Sorry, Jesus, they know not what they do.

First you run down Jesus and now you defend him by knocking Trump. Take your meds.

Yeshua was an interesting fellow, the people who claim to follow him and call him Jesus are morons. But nothing in Trumps life would qualify as something Yeshua would approve of. Not a goddamn thing. Trump is exactly what Yeshua told people not to be.

This is what Christ told people:
1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Trump never, ever looks at himself except to say what a wonder he is in the mirror. Take your own advice, Christ-bitch.

People like you don't draw others to your Lord, you repel them. Trump is, like you, exactly what Jesus said one should not be. If Trump had any power he would be the anti-Christ as he is nothing like the Christ, and neither are you.

You keep talking about Trump, and then magically apply it to Christians.

I could say the same about Christians who voted for Obama.

Both are equally invalid. If you want to talk about Trump, fine, then talk about Trump.

If you want to cry about Christians, fine, cry about Christians.

But to go "Trump doesn't do X....... and er.... Christians are terrible!" What does one have to do with the other?

This isn't even logical. Did Trump come from the "Christian Coalition"? Did he come form the Southern Baptist Convention?

Trump does not, and never did, nor ever will, represent Christianity. So your attempt to tie everything Trump does, to Christians, is illogical.

It just shows you are consumed with bitterness and hate. You are becoming rather pitiful on here.

Is voting for Trump, or Clinton, something Jesus would do? Yes, or no?

 

[Andylusion]

Find for me where he says you CAN'T.

Easy.

Matthew 21:

21From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

23Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

24Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. 26What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 27For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

28“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

The things of man are political things, human concerns and nothing a Christian should concern themselves with. Politics is Caesar, nothing at all godly.

Paying Taxes to Caesar
(Matthew 22:15-22; Mark 12:13-17)

19When the scribes and chief priests realized that Jesus had spoken this parable against them, they sought to arrest Him that very hour. But they were afraid of the people.

20So they watched Him closely and sent spies who pretended to be sincere. They were hoping to catch Him in His words in order to hand Him over to the rule and authority of the governor. 21“Teacher,” they inquired, “we know that You speak and teach correctly. You show no partiality, but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. 22Is it lawful for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”

23But Jesus saw through their duplicity and said to them, 24“Show Me a denarius.b Whose image and inscription are on it?”

“Caesar’s,” they answered.

25So Jesus told them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

26And they were unable to trap Him in His words before the people; and astonished at His answer, they fell silent.

Jesus had nothing at all to do with politics, and neither should anyone who followers him. Politics is a game for whores. Is that what a believer in Christ should seek to become? To cut deals with other political devils?

So you quoted parts talking about paying taxes, which I agree. And you covered the parts talking about human concerns verses G-dly concerns. I agree.

Now where does it say that in a democracy Christians shouldn't vote, or make their voices heard?

You do realize that most of the old testament involves politics, Kings, Queens, serving in the government, and even changing the laws of the land?

You people take a passage, pull a few quotes out of context, and then just make it all up. Nothing you claim, is what was in the passage. Bonkers. You people are bonkers.

I'll let Saint Paul explain it to you.

Romans 13:

Submit to Government
13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

Now, these Christians, fighting against the government, using politics to get their way, are they obeying the teachings of Paul? The teachings f Jesus being focused on 'human concerns"?

And I never, ever, quote out of context.

And this is the lib that denied wanting to shut Christians out of politics...

Whether they are shut out or not doesn't matter a damn. Like seeking wealth Jesus taught them to do no such thing. He did not seek wealth, he did not engage in politics so, what should a faithful Christian do, emulate Jesus and obey his teachings or be like Trump and seek wealth and political power?

So...... let me see if I understand this correctly....

Are you suggesting that people are not voting for the politician that they think is the better choice.... but rather voting for someone they want to be like?

Because I have never in my life, thought that way. There isn't one single politician I have ever voted for, since my teen years, that I though "I am only voting for him, because he is a model of what I want to be in life!"

I never think that way. When I determine who I will vote for, it's simply a matter of who do I think will be a better president, and push policies that are best for the country.

I have no intention of them being my 'role model' or some such nonsense. Is that what left-wingers think? You are voting for someone who has no ability, no good ideas..... but he's got your vote because you like him as a role model or something?

You are that shallow? Your role model in life... is a politician? Really? Seriously, Obama never worked an honest job in his life. You voted for him because that's the role model you want? Hillary Clinton has scammed, schemed, and lied her way to where she is... and you are voting for her as a role model?

This explains so much. The more I think about it, the more it's explains the entire left-wing.

The reason I will likely vote for Trump, has nothing to do with being a role model. And my voting never did.

I look at the candidates and judge them based on two criteria. One: are they criminals. Two: what is their policy position.

I have never voted for someone because they were my role model. My role model is Christ. No human politician takes that spot.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Those Jesus loving asses did not come out and vote in 2012. They will now and it won't be for Hillary. Hillary is in "no ways tired" of pandering to blocks of voters, Trump can do it too.

Even the Jesus-freaks can't save Trump, from himself mostly.

And Trump is to Jesus what Judas was to Jesus. The idea that Trump is a better representative of the teachings of Jesus is fucking appalling. Unbiblical to the core. Sorry, Jesus, they know not what they do.

First you run down Jesus and now you defend him by knocking Trump. Take your meds.

Yeshua was an interesting fellow, the people who claim to follow him and call him Jesus are morons. But nothing in Trumps life would qualify as something Yeshua would approve of. Not a goddamn thing. Trump is exactly what Yeshua told people not to be.

This is what Christ told people:
1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Trump never, ever looks at himself except to say what a wonder he is in the mirror. Take your own advice, Christ-bitch.

People like you don't draw others to your Lord, you repel them. Trump is, like you, exactly what Jesus said one should not be. If Trump had any power he would be the anti-Christ as he is nothing like the Christ, and neither are you.

I'm pretty sure you suffered from this rancor before you ran into me. I'll bet I'm not the first one you crowned Christ-bitch. And you know nothing of my walk, pup. So simmer your butt down. I know I have the peace of mind to be able to respond to a post without my head exploding. Try that...
Sincerely,
Bitch for Christ

 

[JumpingPete]

So...... let me see if I understand this correctly....

Are you suggesting that people are not voting for the politician that they think is the better choice.... but rather voting for someone they want to be like?

No, idiot.

And would Jesus have voted for Trump? For Hillary? Would Jesus have voted at all or was that, his teaching, the concerns of men not that of God?

 

[JumpingPete]

Even the Jesus-freaks can't save Trump, from himself mostly.

And Trump is to Jesus what Judas was to Jesus. The idea that Trump is a better representative of the teachings of Jesus is fucking appalling. Unbiblical to the core. Sorry, Jesus, they know not what they do.

First you run down Jesus and now you defend him by knocking Trump. Take your meds.

Yeshua was an interesting fellow, the people who claim to follow him and call him Jesus are morons. But nothing in Trumps life would qualify as something Yeshua would approve of. Not a goddamn thing. Trump is exactly what Yeshua told people not to be.

This is what Christ told people:
1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Trump never, ever looks at himself except to say what a wonder he is in the mirror. Take your own advice, Christ-bitch.

People like you don't draw others to your Lord, you repel them. Trump is, like you, exactly what Jesus said one should not be. If Trump had any power he would be the anti-Christ as he is nothing like the Christ, and neither are you.

I'm pretty sure you suffered from this rancor before you ran into me. I'll bet I'm not the first one you crowned Christ-bitch. And you know nothing of my walk, pup. So simmer your butt down. I know I have the peace of mind to be able to respond to a post without my head exploding. Try that...
Sincerely,
Bitch for Christ

If you knew even the smallest bit of the Christ, you wouldn't be here and you wouldn't be who you are here, Christ-bitch.

 

[Andylusion]

Easy.

Matthew 21:

21From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

23Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

24Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. 26What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 27For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

28“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

The things of man are political things, human concerns and nothing a Christian should concern themselves with. Politics is Caesar, nothing at all godly.

Paying Taxes to Caesar
(Matthew 22:15-22; Mark 12:13-17)

19When the scribes and chief priests realized that Jesus had spoken this parable against them, they sought to arrest Him that very hour. But they were afraid of the people.

20So they watched Him closely and sent spies who pretended to be sincere. They were hoping to catch Him in His words in order to hand Him over to the rule and authority of the governor. 21“Teacher,” they inquired, “we know that You speak and teach correctly. You show no partiality, but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. 22Is it lawful for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”

23But Jesus saw through their duplicity and said to them, 24“Show Me a denarius.b Whose image and inscription are on it?”

“Caesar’s,” they answered.

25So Jesus told them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

26And they were unable to trap Him in His words before the people; and astonished at His answer, they fell silent.

Jesus had nothing at all to do with politics, and neither should anyone who followers him. Politics is a game for whores. Is that what a believer in Christ should seek to become? To cut deals with other political devils?

So you quoted parts talking about paying taxes, which I agree. And you covered the parts talking about human concerns verses G-dly concerns. I agree.

Now where does it say that in a democracy Christians shouldn't vote, or make their voices heard?

You do realize that most of the old testament involves politics, Kings, Queens, serving in the government, and even changing the laws of the land?

You people take a passage, pull a few quotes out of context, and then just make it all up. Nothing you claim, is what was in the passage. Bonkers. You people are bonkers.

I'll let Saint Paul explain it to you.

Romans 13:

Submit to Government
13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

Now, these Christians, fighting against the government, using politics to get their way, are they obeying the teachings of Paul? The teachings f Jesus being focused on 'human concerns"?

And I never, ever, quote out of context.

And this is the lib that denied wanting to shut Christians out of politics...

Well he's trying to twist the argument around, so that he can claim deniability. He's trying to twist the teachings of the Bible, to claim we should supposedly shut ourselves out of politics. That way he can claim he's not doing it.

He's liar. He's lied a dozens times in just the few posts of his I've read. Typical left-wing logic. Nothing new or surprising here.

Name your Kingdom, Christian? That of God, that which Jesus chose? Or that of Man?

You cannot serve both just as no man can serve two masters. A teaching of Jesus.

Still not a logical response. What does one, have to do with the other?

Choosing to vote, doesn't mean I magically am not serving the Kingdom of Heaven.

Voting doesn't mean I am serving a different master.

Your posts are becoming less rational as we go.

 

[coldjoint]

So...... let me see if I understand this correctly....

Are you suggesting that people are not voting for the politician that they think is the better choice.... but rather voting for someone they want to be like?

No, idiot.

And would Jesus have voted for Trump? For Hillary? Would Jesus have voted at all or was that, his teaching, the concerns of men not that of God?

 

[guno]

thankfully white christers are now only 46 percent off the population

Pew: White Christians no longer a majority

 

[JumpingPete]

So you quoted parts talking about paying taxes, which I agree. And you covered the parts talking about human concerns verses G-dly concerns. I agree.

Now where does it say that in a democracy Christians shouldn't vote, or make their voices heard?

You do realize that most of the old testament involves politics, Kings, Queens, serving in the government, and even changing the laws of the land?

You people take a passage, pull a few quotes out of context, and then just make it all up. Nothing you claim, is what was in the passage. Bonkers. You people are bonkers.

I'll let Saint Paul explain it to you.

Romans 13:

Submit to Government
13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

Now, these Christians, fighting against the government, using politics to get their way, are they obeying the teachings of Paul? The teachings f Jesus being focused on 'human concerns"?

And I never, ever, quote out of context.

And this is the lib that denied wanting to shut Christians out of politics...

Well he's trying to twist the argument around, so that he can claim deniability. He's trying to twist the teachings of the Bible, to claim we should supposedly shut ourselves out of politics. That way he can claim he's not doing it.

He's liar. He's lied a dozens times in just the few posts of his I've read. Typical left-wing logic. Nothing new or surprising here.

Name your Kingdom, Christian? That of God, that which Jesus chose? Or that of Man?

You cannot serve both just as no man can serve two masters. A teaching of Jesus.

Still not a logical response. What does one, have to do with the other?

Choosing to vote, doesn't mean I magically am not serving the Kingdom of Heaven.

Voting doesn't mean I am serving a different master.

Your posts are becoming less rational as we go.

When you care about politics, something Jesus never did, even in the slightest, you are not serving the Kingdom of God. You are, like Peter who Jesus rebuked, a satan, a stumbling block to those seeking God because you are focused on the things of man. Just as you being here, right now, arguing politics, you are in no way serving your God, you are serving your own ego and playing politics, nothing at all Christ-like and nothing that might save a soul. Your actions here repel people from Jesus, they don't draw them to him since you are the very opposite of Jesus, like Irish Ram.

Matthew 16:23

Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns."

 

[coldjoint]

So...... let me see if I understand this correctly....

Are you suggesting that people are not voting for the politician that they think is the better choice.... but rather voting for someone they want to be like?

No, idiot.

And would Jesus have voted for Trump? For Hillary? Would Jesus have voted at all or was that, his teaching, the concerns of men not that of God?

Do you think Jesus would have moved to the US? In that is not the case, Jesus would be voting for no one.

 

[The Irish Ram]

This is what Christ told people:
1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Trump never, ever looks at himself except to say what a wonder he is in the mirror. Take your own advice, Christ-bitch.

People like you don't draw others to your Lord, you repel them. Trump is, like you, exactly what Jesus said one should not be. If Trump had any power he would be the anti-Christ as he is nothing like the Christ, and neither are you.

I am not a Christian, and you are not a debater.

She has no debate, and neither do you. Trump is to Jesus what ISIS is.

ISIS is emulating Mohammad in words and deeds. They are following Islam to the letter. Are you saying Trump is practicing Christian doctrine because ISIS is following Islams.


Start thinking before you post

Trump is to Jesus what ISIS is to Jesus. Neither are anything like he was.

You may want to return Christ's judgment robe.

James 4-12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?

It doesn't appear as though you know enough about Christ to usurp His role. You're doing it badly..

 

[Andylusion]

So...... let me see if I understand this correctly....

Are you suggesting that people are not voting for the politician that they think is the better choice.... but rather voting for someone they want to be like?

No, idiot.

And would Jesus have voted for Trump? For Hillary? Would Jesus have voted at all or was that, his teaching, the concerns of men not that of God?

Really.... so you actually think Jesus would not have voted.

That's a hard claim, given that voting wasn't a human institution at the time.

But 1 Peter 2:13 says "Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution". Is voting a human institution? I think so.

I think Jesus absolutely would have voted.

Who would he have voted far? I don't know. That's an unfair question. I can't see the human heart, like Jesus can. There could be tons of things about all candidates, that I don't know.

I can only go based on what I have seen. I've seen Hilary lie, swindle, scandal, corruption, law breaking, and on and on. I haven't seen Trump do the same. So yes, it is entirely possible that Jesus faced with the same options, may vote Trump, I don't know.

After all, Jesus did choose Judas to be a disciples, and he knew Judas would be betray him.

So I have no idea who Jesus would vote for. The fact you think you do... tad bit arrogant on your part.