Don’t let the right tell you gun control does not work because it does.

[Rogue AI]

Yes, I understand you consider them a extent of your masculinity. Long ago you were emasculated and you haven’t been able to move on so you turn to guns in a desperate attempt to feel validated and tough when you feel so weak internally. Bless your heart!

You're toxic femininity is pretty sad.

 

[Billy000]

More man shaming....yawn

Zero gun laws.

That is our objective. And you can cry about it.

Lol whatever you say dude.

 

[protectionist]

We already know the good guy with a gun narrative is a complete myth when it comes to mass shootings.

From that, what we know is that the leftwing media has got you programmed to the hilt. If it were not for the good guys with a gun, thousands of people would have been massacred at 1) LAX (2002) by Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, 2) Alton Nolen in Moore, OK, 3) Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi in Garland, TX.

4) In 2007, former cop and volunteer security worker, Jeanne Assam, saved the day at New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Thousands of people were exiting from Sunday mass that day as the shooter opened fire. However, Assam ran toward the line of fire, killing the shooter and saving countless lives.​

5) A knife-wielding intruder was attempting to enter Sarah McKinley's mobile home shortly after her husband died of lung cancer in 2012. After breaking in, McKinley fired, killing one suspect and scaring the other intruder off.​

6) A 71-year-old man saved the lives of many at an internet cafe in Florida in 2012. When robbers entered the cafe with weapons, Samuel Williams pulled out his gun and scared off the suspects.​

7)A 69-year-old grandmother protected herself and her home in Alabama in 2010. After hearing a burglar break into her house, Ethel Jones fired three shots, wounding and scaring off the intruder, who was later arrested by police.​

8) In 2012, a 14-year-old boy saved himself and his younger siblings after an armed intruder entered their home. After breaking into the home and pointing a gun at the 14, 12, and 8-year-olds, the 14-year-old fired, placing the intruder in the hospital and saving his family.​

9) A pregnant mother of two saved herself and her children after two intruders entered her home in Ashtabula, Ohio. After refusing to let the two intruders in, they broke down her back door. As they proceeded up her stairs, the shot at them, hitting one intruder and scaring them both off until police arrived.​

10) A would-be robber was shot in 2006 by an employee at Media Madhouse in Indiana. After the suspect entered the building holding a gun on an employee and demanding money, a second employee jumped into action and shot the suspect, saving both employees and customers.​

11) 72-year-old Jan Cooper saved her life and the life of her 85-year-old World War II veteran husband, who is confined to a wheelchair. In 2013, a man was breaking into the Cooper's Southern California home, when the grandmother fired one shot from her .357 Magnum Smith and Wesson revolver, which scared the burglar off.​

12) In 2013, a shooter opened fire at Prince Middle School in Atlanta, Georgia. However, after wounding only one student, the suspect was disarmed by an armed guard who was stationed at the school.


And when the good guys with guns were NOT there ? Here's what happened >>

1. Sandy Hook

2. Parkland massacre

3. Uvalde massacre

4. Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooting

5. Pulse Club

6. Columbine massacre

7. San Bernardino massacre



All GUN FREE ZONES -no good guys present.

 

[Billy000]

From that, what we know is that the leftwing media has got you programmed to the hilt. If it were not for the good guys with a gun, thousands of people would have been massacred at 1) LAX (2002) by Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, 2) Alton Nolen in Moore, OK, 3) Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi in Garland, TX.

4) In 2007, former cop and volunteer security worker, Jeanne Assam, saved the day at New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Thousands of people were exiting from Sunday mass that day as the shooter opened fire. However, Assam ran toward the line of fire, killing the shooter and saving countless lives.​

5) A knife-wielding intruder was attempting to enter Sarah McKinley's mobile home shortly after her husband died of lung cancer in 2012. After breaking in, McKinley fired, killing one suspect and scaring the other intruder off.​

6) A 71-year-old man saved the lives of many at an internet cafe in Florida in 2012. When robbers entered the cafe with weapons, Samuel Williams pulled out his gun and scared off the suspects.​

7)A 69-year-old grandmother protected herself and her home in Alabama in 2010. After hearing a burglar break into her house, Ethel Jones fired three shots, wounding and scaring off the intruder, who was later arrested by police.​

8) In 2012, a 14-year-old boy saved himself and his younger siblings after an armed intruder entered their home. After breaking into the home and pointing a gun at the 14, 12, and 8-year-olds, the 14-year-old fired, placing the intruder in the hospital and saving his family.​

9) A pregnant mother of two saved herself and her children after two intruders entered her home in Ashtabula, Ohio. After refusing to let the two intruders in, they broke down her back door. As they proceeded up her stairs, the shot at them, hitting one intruder and scaring them both off until police arrived.​

10) A would-be robber was shot in 2006 by an employee at Media Madhouse in Indiana. After the suspect entered the building holding a gun on an employee and demanding money, a second employee jumped into action and shot the suspect, saving both employees and customers.​

11) 72-year-old Jan Cooper saved her life and the life of her 85-year-old World War II veteran husband, who is confined to a wheelchair. In 2013, a man was breaking into the Cooper's Southern California home, when the grandmother fired one shot from her .357 Magnum Smith and Wesson revolver, which scared the burglar off.​

12) In 2013, a shooter opened fire at Prince Middle School in Atlanta, Georgia. However, after wounding only one student, the suspect was disarmed by an armed guard who was stationed at the school.

Lol trust me dude I did notice how pretty much all of these relate to an intruder in someone’s home. How stupid are you? Why would anyone claim that guns aren’t effective in home intrusions. Two of these was goddamn robberies. Obviously I said mass shootings. Your first paragraph is so goddamn dubious too. Thousands of people? lol that is absolute bullshit.

If you want to make an intelligent argument about this perhaps you can explain how the good guy with a gun narrative does not apply to 99% of all mass shootings. We have had over 200 mass shootings this year alone. None of them involved a guy with a gun stopping them.

 

[Rigby5]

California is a shining example of success for curbing gun violence with gun control legislation. It doesn’t come from one specific policy - but a combination of several.

“For the last 20, maybe even 25 years — except for the two years of the pandemic, which have increased homicides and suicides across the country — our rates of firearm violence have trended downward,” said Wintemute, who directs the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis, Medical Center in Sacramento. “And this has been at a time when most of the rates in the rest of the country have gone up.”

California’s rate of firearm mortality is among the nation’s lowest, with 8.5 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020, compared with 13.7 per 100,000 nationally and 14.2 per 100,000 in Texas, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has reported. And Californians are about 25% less likely to die in mass shootings, compared with residents of other states, according to a recent Public Policy Institute of California analysis.

….California has done a lot to prevent high-risk people from purchasing firearms. We’ve broadened the criteria for keeping guns out of the hands of people who pose a danger to themselves or others due to mental illness. If you’re convicted of a violent misdemeanor in California, you can’t have a gun for the next 10 years; that offense has to be a felony in most states….

….We require background checks, and not just from licensed retailers; in most states, purchases from private parties require no background checks or record keeping of any kind. We have a system, that we’re evaluating now, for getting guns back from “prohibited persons” — people who have been convicted of violent crimes or who are facing domestic violence restraining orders. And we enforce these policies, unlike a lot of other states.

California Has America's Toughest Gun Laws, and They Work

The grotesque toll of gun violence is again being debated in Congress. States are not holding their breath. Particularly California: In ways that have tended to be underreported, the state has significantly lowered gun deaths, Dr. Garen J. Wintemute, an emergency room doctor and longtime firearm...

www.yahoo.com

Wrong.
California did absolutely nothing at all to prevent criminal from getting guns at all.
That is because criminals could never buy guns legally anyway, so always get them illegally.

California is right in the middle in 2015, so it not an example of anything good.

Gun death and violence in the United States by state - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There are 25 states with lower firearm murder rates per 100,000 people, with California at 3.3.
Texas has the identical 3.3 per 100,000 gun murder rate.

 

[protectionist]

11 times a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy, saving lives - Photos

With tragic events such as the shooting of a bible study group at a church in Charleston, South Carolina, the stories of heroic self defense and lives saved by legal gun owners are often overlooked. Here are just a few stories of law-abiding citizens using guns to defend themselves against...

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[protectionist]

Lol trust me dude I did notice how pretty much all of these relate to an intruder in someone’s home. How stupid are you? Why would anyone claim that guns aren’t effective in home intrusions. Two of these was goddamn robberies. Obviously I said mass shootings. Your first paragraph is so goddamn dubious too. Thousands of people? lol that is absolute bullshit.

If you want to make an intelligent argument about this perhaps you can explain how the good guy with a gun narrative does not apply to 99% of all mass shootings. We have had over 200 mass shootings this year alone. None of them involved a guy with a gun stopping them.

.I don't trust anything about you

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

.I don't trust anything about you

Completely untrustworthy

 

[Papageorgio]

California is a shining example of success for curbing gun violence with gun control legislation. It doesn’t come from one specific policy - but a combination of several.

“For the last 20, maybe even 25 years — except for the two years of the pandemic, which have increased homicides and suicides across the country — our rates of firearm violence have trended downward,” said Wintemute, who directs the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis, Medical Center in Sacramento. “And this has been at a time when most of the rates in the rest of the country have gone up.”

California’s rate of firearm mortality is among the nation’s lowest, with 8.5 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020, compared with 13.7 per 100,000 nationally and 14.2 per 100,000 in Texas, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has reported. And Californians are about 25% less likely to die in mass shootings, compared with residents of other states, according to a recent Public Policy Institute of California analysis.

….California has done a lot to prevent high-risk people from purchasing firearms. We’ve broadened the criteria for keeping guns out of the hands of people who pose a danger to themselves or others due to mental illness. If you’re convicted of a violent misdemeanor in California, you can’t have a gun for the next 10 years; that offense has to be a felony in most states….

….We require background checks, and not just from licensed retailers; in most states, purchases from private parties require no background checks or record keeping of any kind. We have a system, that we’re evaluating now, for getting guns back from “prohibited persons” — people who have been convicted of violent crimes or who are facing domestic violence restraining orders. And we enforce these policies, unlike a lot of other states.

California Has America's Toughest Gun Laws, and They Work

The grotesque toll of gun violence is again being debated in Congress. States are not holding their breath. Particularly California: In ways that have tended to be underreported, the state has significantly lowered gun deaths, Dr. Garen J. Wintemute, an emergency room doctor and longtime firearm...

www.yahoo.com

Good for Californi, I’m glad I dont live there. I’m all for states rights. I am against the feds Getting involved.

 

[Billy000]

11 times a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy, saving lives - Photos

With tragic events such as the shooting of a bible study group at a church in Charleston, South Carolina, the stories of heroic self defense and lives saved by legal gun owners are often overlooked. Here are just a few stories of law-abiding citizens using guns to defend themselves against...

www.washingtontimes.com

Yep more irrelevant bulllshit. Hell even if ALL of these were the scenarios we were talking about, the best number for this was 11? Lame. Not even close to being significant.

 

[protectionist]

Lol trust me dude I did notice how pretty much all of these relate to an intruder in someone’s home. How stupid are you? Why would anyone claim that guns aren’t effective in home intrusions. Two of these was goddamn robberies. Obviously I said mass shootings. Your first paragraph is so goddamn dubious too. Thousands of people? lol that is absolute bullshit.

If you want to make an intelligent argument about this perhaps you can explain how the good guy with a gun narrative does not apply to 99% of all mass shootings. We have had over 200 mass shootings this year alone. None of them involved a guy with a gun stopping them.

You're making this too easy for me. "all of these relate to an intruder in someone’s home." ? Yeah ? Let's take a look at them.

1. LAX Airport Los Angles. Large airport filled with hundreds of people. Hayedet had 2 pistols and numerous clips with hundreds of rounds of ammunition. Good guy stopped a bloodbath.

2. Alton Nolen - Vaugn Foods is an industrial site with hundreds of employees present.

3. The Curtis Culwell Center in Garland, TX has a capacity of 8,500 people, and was packed at the time of the attack. 2 ISIS attacker had 1500 rounds of ammunition.

4. In New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado, thousands of people were exiting from Sunday mass when the shooter opened fired and was immediately stopped - by a good guy with a gun.

5. Samuel Williams in Florida chased armed robbers away from a internet cafe' with hundreds of people there. (not in "someone's home").

6. Prince Middle School in Atlanta, Georgia - hundreds of students.

7. Media Madhouse in Indiana. not someone's home.

More than half of the 12 I posted are outside the home, with hundreds of thousands of people present. I probably shouldn't be wasting my time talking to you. By the way post, you must be known as one of USMB prime FOOLS.

​

 

[Billy000]

You're making this too easy for me. "all of these relate to an intruder in someone’s home." ? Yeah ? Let's take a look at them.

1. LAX Airport Los Angles. Large airport filled with hundreds of people. Hayedet had 2 pistols and numerous clips with hundreds of rounds of ammunition. Good guy stopped a bloodbath.

2. Alton Nolen - Vaugn Foods is an industrial site with hundreds of employees present.

3. The Curtis Culwell Center in Garland, TX has a capacity of 8,500 people, and was packed at the time of the attack. 2 ISIS attacker had 1500 rounds of ammunition.

4. In New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado, thousands of people were exiting from Sunday mass when the shooter opened fired and was immediately stopped - by a good guy with a gun.

5. Samuel Williams in Florida chased armed robbers away from a internet cafe' with hundreds of people there. (not in "someone's home").

6. Prince Middle School in Atlanta, Georgia - hundreds of students.

7. Media Madhouse in Indiana. not someone's home.

More than half of the 12 I posted are outside the home, with hundreds of thousands of people present. I probably shouldn't be wasting my time talking to you. By the way post, you must be known as one of USMB prime FOOLS.

​

Lol hey idiot, just because there were a lot of people at a location when a crime occurred does not mean they were all in danger. The only one that even sounds like a mass shooter situation was in Colorado but I don’t trust your assessment of it nor do I trust the assessment of the Washington Examinor lol. But like I said before, even if these were all mass shootings, it is pretty pathetic this is all you could find lol. Meanwhile, in 2022 alone, we’ve had over 200 mass shootings alone.

 

[protectionist]

Yep more irrelevant bulllshit. Hell even if ALL of these were the scenarios we were talking about, the best number for this was 11? Lame. Not even close to being significant.

11 isn't a "best" number. It is just an example of 11 cases. I'll bet the people who WOULD have been killed (and weren't), think their case was very significant, Could have been YOU.

If you want a "best " number, OK I'll play that game with you.
How about this one ?>>>

Since 1950, 94% of mass shootings have been in GUN FREE ZONES.

One moment, please...

 

[protectionist]

Lol hey idiot, just because there were a lot of people at a location when a crime occurred does not mean they were all in danger. The only one that even sounds like a mass shooter situation was in Colorado but I don’t trust your assessment of it nor do I trust the assessment of the Washington Examinor lol. But like I said before, even if these were all mass shootings, it is pretty pathetic this is all you could find lol. Meanwhile, in 2022 alone, we’ve had over 200 mass shootings alone.

Fool. In Garland TX, the shooters were ISIS. You think they went there for their health ?

Hayadet in LA, was also a jihadist terrorist (Egyptian). He wasn't carrying extra magazines full of bullets for nothing.

Why would the kids at the Prince Middle school NOT be "in danger" ? Of course they were. What do you think the shooter would have done if not stopped by the good guy with a gun ? Give the kids lollipops ? Same applies to all these scenarios.

These are not "all" I could find. There are thousands of cases, as most people well know. You are backpedaling, and not doing a very good job of it.

 

[Billy000]

11 isn't a "best" number. It is just an example of 11 cases. I'll bet the people who WOULD have been killed (and weren't), think their case was very significant, Could have been YOU.

If you want a "best " number, OK I'll play that game with you.
How about this one ?>>>

Since 1950, 94% of mass shootings have been in GUN FREE ZONES.

One moment, please...

Lol your own source defines “gun free zones” in part as fucking businesses who say they don’t allow them. Meaning, there is no legal consequences for carrying the gun there. Here is the statistic that would matter: how many mass shootings take place in areas where it is illegal to have a gun? I’m sure that would seriously reduce the numbers. Hell, it doesn’t count for shit anyway. Concealed gun owners do whatever the fuck they want. You think they care about “gun free zones”? Those 2nd amendment enthusiasts? No way.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

LOL

Most Violent Cities In America 2021


Most Violent Cities in America

St. Louis, MO (2,082) - mayor - Democrat

Detroit, MI (2,057) - mayor - Democrat

Baltimore, MD (2,027) - mayor - Democrat

Memphis, TN (2,003) - mayor - Democrat

Little Rock, AR (1,634) - mayor - Democrat

Milwaukee, WI (1,597) - mayor - Democrat

Rockford, IL (1,588) - mayor - Democrat

Cleveland, OH (1,557) - mayor - Democrat

Stockton, CA (1,415) - mayor - Democrat

Albuquerque, NM (1,369) - mayor - Democrat

Springfield, MO (1,339) - mayor - Independent

Indianapolis, IN (1,334) - mayor - Democrat

Oakland, CA (1,299) - mayor - Democrat

San Bernardino, CA (1,291) - mayor - Republican

Anchorage, AK (1,203) - mayor - Independent

Nashville, TN (1,138) - mayor - Democrat

Lansing, MI (1,136) - mayor - Democrat

New Orleans, LA (1,121) - mayor - Democrat

Minneapolis, MN (1,101) - mayor - Democrat

Chicago, IL (1,099) - mayor - Democrat

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Meanwhile, in 2022 alone, we’ve had over 200 mass shootings alone.

That's an outright lie, throwing gang shootouts in with actual mass shootings.

 

[Billy000]

Fool. In Garland TX, the shooters were ISIS. You think they went there for their health ?

Hayadet in LA, was also a jihadist terrorist (Egyptian). He wasn't carrying extra magazines full of bullets for nothing.

Why would the kids at the Prince Middle school NOT be "in danger" ? Of course they were. What do you think the shooter would have done if not stopped by the good guy with a gun ? Give the kids lollipops ? Same applies to all these scenarios.

These are not "all" I could find. There are thousands of cases, as most people well know. You are backpedaling, and not doing a very good job of it.

Lol uhh see it would still matter if the people at this location would be being targeted. That’s the shit that matters. Either way, this shit is all you have to offer for this argument and it’s pathetic.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

11 isn't a "best" number. It is just an example of 11 cases. I'll bet the people who WOULD have been killed (and weren't), think their case was very significant, Could have been YOU.

If you want a "best " number, OK I'll play that game with you.
How about this one ?>>>

Since 1950, 94% of mass shootings have been in GUN FREE ZONES.

View attachment 652931

One moment, please...

Bloomers is the most discredited and biased source of information on "gun violence" in the country if not the world.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Lol uhh see it would still matter if the people at this location would be being targeted. That’s the shit that matters. Either way, this shit is all you have to offer for this argument and it’s pathetic.

Do you think these shooters were simply there to throw a party?