Don't like the 2nd Amendment? Get off your ass and repeal it. Really.

[chikenwing]

No need to repeal it. There's lots of wiggle room between outright banning of guns which is unconstitutional and reasonable limits to availability, which isn't. The "make no law" part only refers to making ownership illegal for all. The 2nd amendment isn't a suicide pact and shouldn't be considered as a carte blanche right for criminals or the insane to own guns or a prohibition of reasonable regulations regarding background checks and licensing.

Now apply the same logic to voter ID laws.

Why? No one is using a vote to mow down churchgoers and second graders. See the difference?

Nope,neither does the Constitution.

 

[M14 Shooter]

There isn't any big effort to repeal the 2nd, and I don't know a single person who thinks there should be

OK then.
Recognize that the 2nd Amendment is there, it means something that you do not like, and get over it.

Everybody knows the 2nd is there. What makes you think I don't like it?

The fact that you ignore it each and every time you want to further restrict the rights of the law abiding.

 

[BULLDOG]

Why? No one is using a vote to mow down churchgoers and second graders. See the difference?

They used the vote in 1930's Germany to gas 12 million DISARMED people.

So? What is your point? Are you saying that voting is a bad thing?

 

[martybegan]

No need to repeal it. There's lots of wiggle room between outright banning of guns which is unconstitutional and reasonable limits to availability, which isn't. The "make no law" part only refers to making ownership illegal for all. The 2nd amendment isn't a suicide pact and shouldn't be considered as a carte blanche right for criminals or the insane to own guns or a prohibition of reasonable regulations regarding background checks and licensing.

"Make no law" is part of the 1st, not the 2nd. The 2nd says my right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, and right now in NYC I cannot concealed carry unless the NYPD thinks I should be able to.
That's infringement right there.

So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.

500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?

To get a handgun, even to keep in your house is long, expensive and drawn out in NYC.

Permit to purchase: No permit is required to buy a rifle or shotgun (except in New York City). A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver is required to purchase a handgun.

Firearm registration: Not required for long guns (except New York City). All handguns must be registered for $3 each. Handguns are registered with purchase permit. The serial number and sale is noted down. It is illegal to possess any un-registered firearm. Since enactment of the New York Safe Act, all grandfathered operable "assault" style rifles and shotguns purchased prior to Jan. 15, 2013, must now be registered by Jan. 15, 2014.

License: Not required other than to carry a concealed handgun in public, except in New York City.

Handgun permit/license: In 59 of 62 counties, concealed weapons permits applications for personal protection are reviewed on a "may issue" basis with a Superior Court judge serving as the licensing officer. New York City, Nassau and Suffolk counties have licensing officers that are either police commissioners or a sheriff. Applicants must show "proper cause," that they are "exposed to extraordinary personal danger" to receive a concealed carry permit. Odds of receiving a permit vary greatly by county, with metropolitan downstate counties far more restrictive than those upstate.

Fee: Varies widely, from $10 in Suffolk County to $340 in New York City (not including $91.50 for fingerprints and background check).

Duration: Varies by jurisdiction, from five years in Suffolk County to two years in New York City.

Renewal: Varies by jurisdiction.

Open carry: Illegal under state law although some counties will issue permits to open carry, not concealed carry.

State preemption: Municipalities, such as New York City, can impose more restrictive gun laws than the state.

Assault weapons ban: Possession of "assault weapons" is prohibited, except for those legally possessed on Jan. 15, 2013 and registered with the state by Jan. 15, 2014. Possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds is prohibited, but a maximum of only seven rounds may legally be loaded in a magazine; .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from the limit. New York City, Buffalo, Albany, and Rochester have their own assault weapon bans.

Legislative outlook: The New York State Legislature approved the nation's first gun-control measure following the Newtown shooting by adopting Gov. Andrew Cuomo's bill further restricting the state's ban on "assault weapons," limiting the size of magazines to seven bullets, and enacting more stringent background checks for sales.

 

[chikenwing]

No need to repeal it. There's lots of wiggle room between outright banning of guns which is unconstitutional and reasonable limits to availability, which isn't. The "make no law" part only refers to making ownership illegal for all. The 2nd amendment isn't a suicide pact and shouldn't be considered as a carte blanche right for criminals or the insane to own guns or a prohibition of reasonable regulations regarding background checks and licensing.

"Make no law" is part of the 1st, not the 2nd. The 2nd says my right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, and right now in NYC I cannot concealed carry unless the NYPD thinks I should be able to.
That's infringement right there.

So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.

500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?

New York City.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/permits/HandGunLicenseApplicationFormsComplete.pdf
NYPD - Firearms Licenses
Permit to own and keep in your residence.

In New York you can't even pick a hand gun up at a sporting good store without a permit,in a store looking at a gun!!! Irational laws brought to you by irrational people.

 

[M14 Shooter]

No need to repeal it. There's lots of wiggle room between outright banning of guns which is unconstitutional and reasonable limits to availability, which isn't. The "make no law" part only refers to making ownership illegal for all. The 2nd amendment isn't a suicide pact and shouldn't be considered as a carte blanche right for criminals or the insane to own guns or a prohibition of reasonable regulations regarding background checks and licensing.

Now apply the same logic to voter ID laws.

Why? No one is using a vote to mow down churchgoers and second graders. See the difference?

So... when do you start?
Your efforts to repeal the 2nd, I mean?

 

[chikenwing]

No need to repeal it. There's lots of wiggle room between outright banning of guns which is unconstitutional and reasonable limits to availability, which isn't. The "make no law" part only refers to making ownership illegal for all. The 2nd amendment isn't a suicide pact and shouldn't be considered as a carte blanche right for criminals or the insane to own guns or a prohibition of reasonable regulations regarding background checks and licensing.

"Make no law" is part of the 1st, not the 2nd. The 2nd says my right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, and right now in NYC I cannot concealed carry unless the NYPD thinks I should be able to.
That's infringement right there.

So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.

500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?

To get a handgun, even to keep in your house is long, expensive and drawn out in NYC.

Permit to purchase: No permit is required to buy a rifle or shotgun (except in New York City). A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver is required to purchase a handgun.

Firearm registration: Not required for long guns (except New York City). All handguns must be registered for $3 each. Handguns are registered with purchase permit. The serial number and sale is noted down. It is illegal to possess any un-registered firearm. Since enactment of the New York Safe Act, all grandfathered operable "assault" style rifles and shotguns purchased prior to Jan. 15, 2013, must now be registered by Jan. 15, 2014.

License: Not required other than to carry a concealed handgun in public, except in New York City.

Handgun permit/license: In 59 of 62 counties, concealed weapons permits applications for personal protection are reviewed on a "may issue" basis with a Superior Court judge serving as the licensing officer. New York City, Nassau and Suffolk counties have licensing officers that are either police commissioners or a sheriff. Applicants must show "proper cause," that they are "exposed to extraordinary personal danger" to receive a concealed carry permit. Odds of receiving a permit vary greatly by county, with metropolitan downstate counties far more restrictive than those upstate.

Fee: Varies widely, from $10 in Suffolk County to $340 in New York City (not including $91.50 for fingerprints and background check).

Duration: Varies by jurisdiction, from five years in Suffolk County to two years in New York City.

Renewal: Varies by jurisdiction.

Open carry: Illegal under state law although some counties will issue permits to open carry, not concealed carry.

State preemption: Municipalities, such as New York City, can impose more restrictive gun laws than the state.

Assault weapons ban: Possession of "assault weapons" is prohibited, except for those legally possessed on Jan. 15, 2013 and registered with the state by Jan. 15, 2014. Possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds is prohibited, but a maximum of only seven rounds may legally be loaded in a magazine; .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from the limit. New York City, Buffalo, Albany, and Rochester have their own assault weapon bans.

Legislative outlook: The New York State Legislature approved the nation's first gun-control measure following the Newtown shooting by adopting Gov. Andrew Cuomo's bill further restricting the state's ban on "assault weapons," limiting the size of magazines to seven bullets, and enacting more stringent background checks for sales.

And after all that,you might still not get a permit,NY is may issue state.
Its an offence to law abiding people,you have to prove your worthiness,so wrong

 

[BULLDOG]

No need to repeal it. There's lots of wiggle room between outright banning of guns which is unconstitutional and reasonable limits to availability, which isn't. The "make no law" part only refers to making ownership illegal for all. The 2nd amendment isn't a suicide pact and shouldn't be considered as a carte blanche right for criminals or the insane to own guns or a prohibition of reasonable regulations regarding background checks and licensing.

"Make no law" is part of the 1st, not the 2nd. The 2nd says my right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, and right now in NYC I cannot concealed carry unless the NYPD thinks I should be able to.
That's infringement right there.

So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.

500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?

New York City.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/permits/HandGunLicenseApplicationFormsComplete.pdf
NYPD - Firearms Licenses
Permit to own and keep in your residence.

Sounds like you have a problem with New York City. What has that to do with laws concerning the rest of the country?

 

[chikenwing]

No need to repeal it. There's lots of wiggle room between outright banning of guns which is unconstitutional and reasonable limits to availability, which isn't. The "make no law" part only refers to making ownership illegal for all. The 2nd amendment isn't a suicide pact and shouldn't be considered as a carte blanche right for criminals or the insane to own guns or a prohibition of reasonable regulations regarding background checks and licensing.

"Make no law" is part of the 1st, not the 2nd. The 2nd says my right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, and right now in NYC I cannot concealed carry unless the NYPD thinks I should be able to.
That's infringement right there.

So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.

500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?

New York City.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/permits/HandGunLicenseApplicationFormsComplete.pdf
NYPD - Firearms Licenses
Permit to own and keep in your residence.

Sounds like you have a problem with New York City. What has that to do with laws concerning the rest of the country?

Many are the same,New York is still part of the US is it not?

 

[BULLDOG]

There isn't any big effort to repeal the 2nd, and I don't know a single person who thinks there should be

OK then.
Recognize that the 2nd Amendment is there, it means something that you do not like, and get over it.

Everybody knows the 2nd is there. What makes you think I don't like it?

The fact that you ignore it each and every time you want to further restrict the rights of the law abiding.

As I said earlier. The right lies and exaggerates every political belief they have. Nobody is going to take away the 2nd amendment, but common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for it to work properly. Quit whining. Nobody is out to get you or your guns.

 

[M14 Shooter]

No need to repeal it. There's lots of wiggle room between outright banning of guns which is unconstitutional and reasonable limits to availability, which isn't. The "make no law" part only refers to making ownership illegal for all. The 2nd amendment isn't a suicide pact and shouldn't be considered as a carte blanche right for criminals or the insane to own guns or a prohibition of reasonable regulations regarding background checks and licensing.

"Make no law" is part of the 1st, not the 2nd. The 2nd says my right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, and right now in NYC I cannot concealed carry unless the NYPD thinks I should be able to.
That's infringement right there.

So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.

500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?

New York City.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/permits/HandGunLicenseApplicationFormsComplete.pdf
NYPD - Firearms Licenses
Permit to own and keep in your residence.

Sounds like you have a problem with New York City.

You -don't- have a problem with having to pay $500 per year for a permit oi simply own a gun and keep it in your house?
You -don't- see that as an undue burden?
You -don't- see that as an infringement?

 

[M14 Shooter]

As I said earlier. The right lies and exaggerates every political belief they have. Nobody is going to take away the 2nd amendment, but common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for it to work properly.

Really.
Please feel free to meaningfully respond to these topics
Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Gun license / registration -- a sound argument? | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Question: What qualifies as an "infringement" of the right to arms? | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Else, I'll assume you cannot and that your statement, above, is just more useless rhetoric.

 

[BULLDOG]

No need to repeal it. There's lots of wiggle room between outright banning of guns which is unconstitutional and reasonable limits to availability, which isn't. The "make no law" part only refers to making ownership illegal for all. The 2nd amendment isn't a suicide pact and shouldn't be considered as a carte blanche right for criminals or the insane to own guns or a prohibition of reasonable regulations regarding background checks and licensing.

"Make no law" is part of the 1st, not the 2nd. The 2nd says my right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, and right now in NYC I cannot concealed carry unless the NYPD thinks I should be able to.
That's infringement right there.

So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.

500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?

To get a handgun, even to keep in your house is long, expensive and drawn out in NYC.

Permit to purchase: No permit is required to buy a rifle or shotgun (except in New York City). A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver is required to purchase a handgun.

Firearm registration: Not required for long guns (except New York City). All handguns must be registered for $3 each. Handguns are registered with purchase permit. The serial number and sale is noted down. It is illegal to possess any un-registered firearm. Since enactment of the New York Safe Act, all grandfathered operable "assault" style rifles and shotguns purchased prior to Jan. 15, 2013, must now be registered by Jan. 15, 2014.

License: Not required other than to carry a concealed handgun in public, except in New York City.

Handgun permit/license: In 59 of 62 counties, concealed weapons permits applications for personal protection are reviewed on a "may issue" basis with a Superior Court judge serving as the licensing officer. New York City, Nassau and Suffolk counties have licensing officers that are either police commissioners or a sheriff. Applicants must show "proper cause," that they are "exposed to extraordinary personal danger" to receive a concealed carry permit. Odds of receiving a permit vary greatly by county, with metropolitan downstate counties far more restrictive than those upstate.

Fee: Varies widely, from $10 in Suffolk County to $340 in New York City (not including $91.50 for fingerprints and background check).

Duration: Varies by jurisdiction, from five years in Suffolk County to two years in New York City.

Renewal: Varies by jurisdiction.

Open carry: Illegal under state law although some counties will issue permits to open carry, not concealed carry.

State preemption: Municipalities, such as New York City, can impose more restrictive gun laws than the state.

Assault weapons ban: Possession of "assault weapons" is prohibited, except for those legally possessed on Jan. 15, 2013 and registered with the state by Jan. 15, 2014. Possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds is prohibited, but a maximum of only seven rounds may legally be loaded in a magazine; .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from the limit. New York City, Buffalo, Albany, and Rochester have their own assault weapon bans.

Legislative outlook: The New York State Legislature approved the nation's first gun-control measure following the Newtown shooting by adopting Gov. Andrew Cuomo's bill further restricting the state's ban on "assault weapons," limiting the size of magazines to seven bullets, and enacting more stringent background checks for sales.

Some neighborhoods even restrict the size and style mailbox you can have, but that is only a local issue and hardly any thing to with national laws. Gun rules in New York City are the same. Don't like local rules? Take it up with the local authorities in charge of them.

 

[M14 Shooter]

No need to repeal it. There's lots of wiggle room between outright banning of guns which is unconstitutional and reasonable limits to availability, which isn't. The "make no law" part only refers to making ownership illegal for all. The 2nd amendment isn't a suicide pact and shouldn't be considered as a carte blanche right for criminals or the insane to own guns or a prohibition of reasonable regulations regarding background checks and licensing.

"Make no law" is part of the 1st, not the 2nd. The 2nd says my right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, and right now in NYC I cannot concealed carry unless the NYPD thinks I should be able to.
That's infringement right there.

So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.

500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?

To get a handgun, even to keep in your house is long, expensive and drawn out in NYC.

Permit to purchase: No permit is required to buy a rifle or shotgun (except in New York City). A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver is required to purchase a handgun.

Firearm registration: Not required for long guns (except New York City). All handguns must be registered for $3 each. Handguns are registered with purchase permit. The serial number and sale is noted down. It is illegal to possess any un-registered firearm. Since enactment of the New York Safe Act, all grandfathered operable "assault" style rifles and shotguns purchased prior to Jan. 15, 2013, must now be registered by Jan. 15, 2014.

License: Not required other than to carry a concealed handgun in public, except in New York City.

Handgun permit/license: In 59 of 62 counties, concealed weapons permits applications for personal protection are reviewed on a "may issue" basis with a Superior Court judge serving as the licensing officer. New York City, Nassau and Suffolk counties have licensing officers that are either police commissioners or a sheriff. Applicants must show "proper cause," that they are "exposed to extraordinary personal danger" to receive a concealed carry permit. Odds of receiving a permit vary greatly by county, with metropolitan downstate counties far more restrictive than those upstate.

Fee: Varies widely, from $10 in Suffolk County to $340 in New York City (not including $91.50 for fingerprints and background check).

Duration: Varies by jurisdiction, from five years in Suffolk County to two years in New York City.

Renewal: Varies by jurisdiction.

Open carry: Illegal under state law although some counties will issue permits to open carry, not concealed carry.

State preemption: Municipalities, such as New York City, can impose more restrictive gun laws than the state.

Assault weapons ban: Possession of "assault weapons" is prohibited, except for those legally possessed on Jan. 15, 2013 and registered with the state by Jan. 15, 2014. Possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds is prohibited, but a maximum of only seven rounds may legally be loaded in a magazine; .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from the limit. New York City, Buffalo, Albany, and Rochester have their own assault weapon bans.

Legislative outlook: The New York State Legislature approved the nation's first gun-control measure following the Newtown shooting by adopting Gov. Andrew Cuomo's bill further restricting the state's ban on "assault weapons," limiting the size of magazines to seven bullets, and enacting more stringent background checks for sales.

Some neighborhoods even restrict the size and style mailbox you can have, but that is only a local issue and hardly any thing to with national laws. Gun rules in New York City are the same. Don't like local rules? Take it up with the local authorities in charge of them.

You -don't- have a problem with having to pay $500 per year for a permit to simply own a gun and keep it in your house?
You -don't- see that as an undue burden?
You -don't- see that as an infringement?

 

[BULLDOG]

No need to repeal it. There's lots of wiggle room between outright banning of guns which is unconstitutional and reasonable limits to availability, which isn't. The "make no law" part only refers to making ownership illegal for all. The 2nd amendment isn't a suicide pact and shouldn't be considered as a carte blanche right for criminals or the insane to own guns or a prohibition of reasonable regulations regarding background checks and licensing.

"Make no law" is part of the 1st, not the 2nd. The 2nd says my right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, and right now in NYC I cannot concealed carry unless the NYPD thinks I should be able to.
That's infringement right there.

So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.

500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?

To get a handgun, even to keep in your house is long, expensive and drawn out in NYC.

Permit to purchase: No permit is required to buy a rifle or shotgun (except in New York City). A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver is required to purchase a handgun.

Firearm registration: Not required for long guns (except New York City). All handguns must be registered for $3 each. Handguns are registered with purchase permit. The serial number and sale is noted down. It is illegal to possess any un-registered firearm. Since enactment of the New York Safe Act, all grandfathered operable "assault" style rifles and shotguns purchased prior to Jan. 15, 2013, must now be registered by Jan. 15, 2014.

License: Not required other than to carry a concealed handgun in public, except in New York City.

Handgun permit/license: In 59 of 62 counties, concealed weapons permits applications for personal protection are reviewed on a "may issue" basis with a Superior Court judge serving as the licensing officer. New York City, Nassau and Suffolk counties have licensing officers that are either police commissioners or a sheriff. Applicants must show "proper cause," that they are "exposed to extraordinary personal danger" to receive a concealed carry permit. Odds of receiving a permit vary greatly by county, with metropolitan downstate counties far more restrictive than those upstate.

Fee: Varies widely, from $10 in Suffolk County to $340 in New York City (not including $91.50 for fingerprints and background check).

Duration: Varies by jurisdiction, from five years in Suffolk County to two years in New York City.

Renewal: Varies by jurisdiction.

Open carry: Illegal under state law although some counties will issue permits to open carry, not concealed carry.

State preemption: Municipalities, such as New York City, can impose more restrictive gun laws than the state.

Assault weapons ban: Possession of "assault weapons" is prohibited, except for those legally possessed on Jan. 15, 2013 and registered with the state by Jan. 15, 2014. Possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds is prohibited, but a maximum of only seven rounds may legally be loaded in a magazine; .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from the limit. New York City, Buffalo, Albany, and Rochester have their own assault weapon bans.

Legislative outlook: The New York State Legislature approved the nation's first gun-control measure following the Newtown shooting by adopting Gov. Andrew Cuomo's bill further restricting the state's ban on "assault weapons," limiting the size of magazines to seven bullets, and enacting more stringent background checks for sales.

You got a problem with New York, Take it up with New York. I thought you were all for states rights.

 

[BULLDOG]

"Make no law" is part of the 1st, not the 2nd. The 2nd says my right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, and right now in NYC I cannot concealed carry unless the NYPD thinks I should be able to.
That's infringement right there.

So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.

500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?

To get a handgun, even to keep in your house is long, expensive and drawn out in NYC.

Permit to purchase: No permit is required to buy a rifle or shotgun (except in New York City). A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver is required to purchase a handgun.

Firearm registration: Not required for long guns (except New York City). All handguns must be registered for $3 each. Handguns are registered with purchase permit. The serial number and sale is noted down. It is illegal to possess any un-registered firearm. Since enactment of the New York Safe Act, all grandfathered operable "assault" style rifles and shotguns purchased prior to Jan. 15, 2013, must now be registered by Jan. 15, 2014.

License: Not required other than to carry a concealed handgun in public, except in New York City.

Handgun permit/license: In 59 of 62 counties, concealed weapons permits applications for personal protection are reviewed on a "may issue" basis with a Superior Court judge serving as the licensing officer. New York City, Nassau and Suffolk counties have licensing officers that are either police commissioners or a sheriff. Applicants must show "proper cause," that they are "exposed to extraordinary personal danger" to receive a concealed carry permit. Odds of receiving a permit vary greatly by county, with metropolitan downstate counties far more restrictive than those upstate.

Fee: Varies widely, from $10 in Suffolk County to $340 in New York City (not including $91.50 for fingerprints and background check).

Duration: Varies by jurisdiction, from five years in Suffolk County to two years in New York City.

Renewal: Varies by jurisdiction.

Open carry: Illegal under state law although some counties will issue permits to open carry, not concealed carry.

State preemption: Municipalities, such as New York City, can impose more restrictive gun laws than the state.

Assault weapons ban: Possession of "assault weapons" is prohibited, except for those legally possessed on Jan. 15, 2013 and registered with the state by Jan. 15, 2014. Possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds is prohibited, but a maximum of only seven rounds may legally be loaded in a magazine; .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from the limit. New York City, Buffalo, Albany, and Rochester have their own assault weapon bans.

Legislative outlook: The New York State Legislature approved the nation's first gun-control measure following the Newtown shooting by adopting Gov. Andrew Cuomo's bill further restricting the state's ban on "assault weapons," limiting the size of magazines to seven bullets, and enacting more stringent background checks for sales.

Some neighborhoods even restrict the size and style mailbox you can have, but that is only a local issue and hardly any thing to with national laws. Gun rules in New York City are the same. Don't like local rules? Take it up with the local authorities in charge of them.

You -don't- have a problem with having to pay $500 per year for a permit oi simply own a gun and keep it in your house?
You -don't- see that as an undue burden?
You -don't- see that as an infringement?

I don't live in New York, and you probably don't either. Sounds like a states rights issue. Not my concern.

 

[martybegan]

No need to repeal it. There's lots of wiggle room between outright banning of guns which is unconstitutional and reasonable limits to availability, which isn't. The "make no law" part only refers to making ownership illegal for all. The 2nd amendment isn't a suicide pact and shouldn't be considered as a carte blanche right for criminals or the insane to own guns or a prohibition of reasonable regulations regarding background checks and licensing.

"Make no law" is part of the 1st, not the 2nd. The 2nd says my right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, and right now in NYC I cannot concealed carry unless the NYPD thinks I should be able to.
That's infringement right there.

So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.

500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?

To get a handgun, even to keep in your house is long, expensive and drawn out in NYC.

Permit to purchase: No permit is required to buy a rifle or shotgun (except in New York City). A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver is required to purchase a handgun.

Firearm registration: Not required for long guns (except New York City). All handguns must be registered for $3 each. Handguns are registered with purchase permit. The serial number and sale is noted down. It is illegal to possess any un-registered firearm. Since enactment of the New York Safe Act, all grandfathered operable "assault" style rifles and shotguns purchased prior to Jan. 15, 2013, must now be registered by Jan. 15, 2014.

License: Not required other than to carry a concealed handgun in public, except in New York City.

Handgun permit/license: In 59 of 62 counties, concealed weapons permits applications for personal protection are reviewed on a "may issue" basis with a Superior Court judge serving as the licensing officer. New York City, Nassau and Suffolk counties have licensing officers that are either police commissioners or a sheriff. Applicants must show "proper cause," that they are "exposed to extraordinary personal danger" to receive a concealed carry permit. Odds of receiving a permit vary greatly by county, with metropolitan downstate counties far more restrictive than those upstate.

Fee: Varies widely, from $10 in Suffolk County to $340 in New York City (not including $91.50 for fingerprints and background check).

Duration: Varies by jurisdiction, from five years in Suffolk County to two years in New York City.

Renewal: Varies by jurisdiction.

Open carry: Illegal under state law although some counties will issue permits to open carry, not concealed carry.

State preemption: Municipalities, such as New York City, can impose more restrictive gun laws than the state.

Assault weapons ban: Possession of "assault weapons" is prohibited, except for those legally possessed on Jan. 15, 2013 and registered with the state by Jan. 15, 2014. Possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds is prohibited, but a maximum of only seven rounds may legally be loaded in a magazine; .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from the limit. New York City, Buffalo, Albany, and Rochester have their own assault weapon bans.

Legislative outlook: The New York State Legislature approved the nation's first gun-control measure following the Newtown shooting by adopting Gov. Andrew Cuomo's bill further restricting the state's ban on "assault weapons," limiting the size of magazines to seven bullets, and enacting more stringent background checks for sales.

Some neighborhoods even restrict the size and style mailbox you can have, but that is only a local issue and hardly any thing to with national laws. Gun rules in New York City are the same. Don't like local rules? Take it up with the local authorities in charge of them.

Nice attempt at comparison, but that fails. a Mailbox is not a right, and NYC shouldn't have those laws to begin with.

How about we make people pay $400 to vote?

 

[martybegan]

No need to repeal it. There's lots of wiggle room between outright banning of guns which is unconstitutional and reasonable limits to availability, which isn't. The "make no law" part only refers to making ownership illegal for all. The 2nd amendment isn't a suicide pact and shouldn't be considered as a carte blanche right for criminals or the insane to own guns or a prohibition of reasonable regulations regarding background checks and licensing.

"Make no law" is part of the 1st, not the 2nd. The 2nd says my right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, and right now in NYC I cannot concealed carry unless the NYPD thinks I should be able to.
That's infringement right there.

So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.

500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?

To get a handgun, even to keep in your house is long, expensive and drawn out in NYC.

Permit to purchase: No permit is required to buy a rifle or shotgun (except in New York City). A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver is required to purchase a handgun.

Firearm registration: Not required for long guns (except New York City). All handguns must be registered for $3 each. Handguns are registered with purchase permit. The serial number and sale is noted down. It is illegal to possess any un-registered firearm. Since enactment of the New York Safe Act, all grandfathered operable "assault" style rifles and shotguns purchased prior to Jan. 15, 2013, must now be registered by Jan. 15, 2014.

License: Not required other than to carry a concealed handgun in public, except in New York City.

Handgun permit/license: In 59 of 62 counties, concealed weapons permits applications for personal protection are reviewed on a "may issue" basis with a Superior Court judge serving as the licensing officer. New York City, Nassau and Suffolk counties have licensing officers that are either police commissioners or a sheriff. Applicants must show "proper cause," that they are "exposed to extraordinary personal danger" to receive a concealed carry permit. Odds of receiving a permit vary greatly by county, with metropolitan downstate counties far more restrictive than those upstate.

Fee: Varies widely, from $10 in Suffolk County to $340 in New York City (not including $91.50 for fingerprints and background check).

Duration: Varies by jurisdiction, from five years in Suffolk County to two years in New York City.

Renewal: Varies by jurisdiction.

Open carry: Illegal under state law although some counties will issue permits to open carry, not concealed carry.

State preemption: Municipalities, such as New York City, can impose more restrictive gun laws than the state.

Assault weapons ban: Possession of "assault weapons" is prohibited, except for those legally possessed on Jan. 15, 2013 and registered with the state by Jan. 15, 2014. Possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds is prohibited, but a maximum of only seven rounds may legally be loaded in a magazine; .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from the limit. New York City, Buffalo, Albany, and Rochester have their own assault weapon bans.

Legislative outlook: The New York State Legislature approved the nation's first gun-control measure following the Newtown shooting by adopting Gov. Andrew Cuomo's bill further restricting the state's ban on "assault weapons," limiting the size of magazines to seven bullets, and enacting more stringent background checks for sales.

You got a problem with New York, Take it up with New York. I thought you were all for states rights.

States Rights end at my rights. Again with the typical progressive non answer. bad puppy.

 

[M14 Shooter]

So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.

500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?

To get a handgun, even to keep in your house is long, expensive and drawn out in NYC.

Permit to purchase: No permit is required to buy a rifle or shotgun (except in New York City). A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver is required to purchase a handgun.

Firearm registration: Not required for long guns (except New York City). All handguns must be registered for $3 each. Handguns are registered with purchase permit. The serial number and sale is noted down. It is illegal to possess any un-registered firearm. Since enactment of the New York Safe Act, all grandfathered operable "assault" style rifles and shotguns purchased prior to Jan. 15, 2013, must now be registered by Jan. 15, 2014.

License: Not required other than to carry a concealed handgun in public, except in New York City.

Handgun permit/license: In 59 of 62 counties, concealed weapons permits applications for personal protection are reviewed on a "may issue" basis with a Superior Court judge serving as the licensing officer. New York City, Nassau and Suffolk counties have licensing officers that are either police commissioners or a sheriff. Applicants must show "proper cause," that they are "exposed to extraordinary personal danger" to receive a concealed carry permit. Odds of receiving a permit vary greatly by county, with metropolitan downstate counties far more restrictive than those upstate.

Fee: Varies widely, from $10 in Suffolk County to $340 in New York City (not including $91.50 for fingerprints and background check).

Duration: Varies by jurisdiction, from five years in Suffolk County to two years in New York City.

Renewal: Varies by jurisdiction.

Open carry: Illegal under state law although some counties will issue permits to open carry, not concealed carry.

State preemption: Municipalities, such as New York City, can impose more restrictive gun laws than the state.

Assault weapons ban: Possession of "assault weapons" is prohibited, except for those legally possessed on Jan. 15, 2013 and registered with the state by Jan. 15, 2014. Possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds is prohibited, but a maximum of only seven rounds may legally be loaded in a magazine; .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from the limit. New York City, Buffalo, Albany, and Rochester have their own assault weapon bans.

Legislative outlook: The New York State Legislature approved the nation's first gun-control measure following the Newtown shooting by adopting Gov. Andrew Cuomo's bill further restricting the state's ban on "assault weapons," limiting the size of magazines to seven bullets, and enacting more stringent background checks for sales.

Some neighborhoods even restrict the size and style mailbox you can have, but that is only a local issue and hardly any thing to with national laws. Gun rules in New York City are the same. Don't like local rules? Take it up with the local authorities in charge of them.

You -don't- have a problem with having to pay $500 per year for a permit oi simply own a gun and keep it in your house?
You -don't- see that as an undue burden?
You -don't- see that as an infringement?

I don't live in New York, and you probably don't either. Sounds like a states rights issue. Not my concern.

You didn't answer the questions.
You -don't- have a problem with having to pay $500 per year for a permit oi simply own a gun and keep it in your house?
You -don't- see that as an undue burden?
You -don't- see that as an infringement?

 

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