Don't like the 2nd Amendment? Get off your ass and repeal it. Really.

[BULLDOG]

You got a problem with New York, Take it up with New York. I thought you were all for states rights.

States Rights end at my rights. Again with the typical progressive non answer. bad puppy.

The right to keep and bear arms is not a state right. The Second Amendment is absolutely clear with regard to whom this right belongs, and it is not the state.

Sounds like you have a problem with New York.

Sounds you have a problem with arguing with any degree of intellectual honesty.
Disagree?
Answer this
Would a federal requirement to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply own a gun violate the 2nd Amendment?

So now your argument is based on some completely hypothetical situation. Not surprising. That's all you've had so far.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You -don't- have a problem with having to pay $500 per year for a permit oi simply own a gun and keep it in your house?
You -don't- see that as an undue burden?
You -don't- see that as an infringement?

I don't live in New York, and you probably don't either. Sounds like a states rights issue. Not my concern.

You didn't answer the questions.
You -don't- have a problem with having to pay $500 per year for a permit oi simply own a gun and keep it in your house?
You -don't- see that as an undue burden?
You -don't- see that as an infringement?

1. I don't have a problem because I don't live in New York City. If you do, then take it up with local law makers.

Oh, I see.
Do you have an issue with states that you don't live in that require a photo ID to vote?
Be honest now.

2. I have local laws that I see as an undue burden.

This does not answer my question.
Do you see the need to pay $500 to exercise a right in its simplest form an undue burden?

3. No. That state can pass any laws it wants as long as it meets constitutional guidelines.

How does requiring someone to pay $500 every year for a permit before they can exercise their right to arms meet "constitutional guidelines" -- specifically, how does it NOT infringe on the right to keep and bear arms?

You're just grabbing at straws now.

Nope -- I'm successfully pointin4g out your dishonesty, and the fact that you'd rather snipe at, denigrate and ignore the 2nd amendment rather than do what's necessary to repeal it.
Man up, son.
Repeal the 2nd.
Get busy.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You got a problem with New York, Take it up with New York. I thought you were all for states rights.

States Rights end at my rights. Again with the typical progressive non answer. bad puppy.

The right to keep and bear arms is not a state right. The Second Amendment is absolutely clear with regard to whom this right belongs, and it is not the state.

Sounds like you have a problem with New York.

Sounds you have a problem with arguing with any degree of intellectual honesty.
Disagree?
Answer this
Would a federal requirement to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply own a gun violate the 2nd Amendment?

So now your argument is based on some completely hypothetical situation. Not surprising. That's all you've had so far.

Thank you for proving that you have a problem with arguing with any degree of intellectual honesty.
Man up, son.
Repeal the 2nd.
Get busy.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Really.
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Else, I'll assume you cannot and that your statement, above, is just more useless rhetoric.

Right. You want to give me a homework assignment.

Translation:
Pursuant to your claim that "common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for [the 2nd] to work properly", you are unable to have an actual discussion as to what sort of regulation is 'allowed" by same..
Clearly, you do not like the 2nd and seek to ignore it at every turn.
So... when do you begin your effort to repeal it?

You are pretty confused. I never said I don't like the 2nd. To get past your confusion.....I LIKE HAVING THE 2ND AMMENDMENT

This is a lie, as evidenced by the fact that you ignore the 2nd amendment and do not believe that any restriction on the right to arms violates it.

So now you are telling me what I think? Idiot.

Ok then...
Tell us: What sort of restriction on the right to arms would indeed violate the 2nd?

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't live in New York, and you probably don't either. Sounds like a states rights issue. Not my concern.

You didn't answer the questions.
You -don't- have a problem with having to pay $500 per year for a permit oi simply own a gun and keep it in your house?
You -don't- see that as an undue burden?
You -don't- see that as an infringement?

1. I don't have a problem because I don't live in New York City. If you do, then take it up with local law makers.

Oh, I see.
Do you have an issue with states that you don't live in that require a photo ID to vote?
Be honest now.

2. I have local laws that I see as an undue burden.

This does not answer my question.
Do you see the need to pay $500 to exercise a right in its simplest form an undue burden?

3. No. That state can pass any laws it wants as long as it meets constitutional guidelines.

How does requiring someone to pay $500 every year for a permit before they can exercise their right to arms meet "constitutional guidelines" -- specifically, how does it NOT infringe on the right to keep and bear arms?

You're just grabbing at straws now.

Nope -- I'm successfully pointin4g out your dishonesty, and the fact that you'd rather snipe at, denigrate and ignore the 2nd amendment rather than do what's necessary to repeal it.
Man up, son.
Repeal the 2nd.
Get busy.

You accuse me of something I never considered (repealing the 2nd)........told me you could read my mind..........and then declared VICTORY. Typical crazy right winger. Rush will be proud.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You didn't answer the questions.
You -don't- have a problem with having to pay $500 per year for a permit oi simply own a gun and keep it in your house?
You -don't- see that as an undue burden?
You -don't- see that as an infringement?

1. I don't have a problem because I don't live in New York City. If you do, then take it up with local law makers.

Oh, I see.
Do you have an issue with states that you don't live in that require a photo ID to vote?
Be honest now.

2. I have local laws that I see as an undue burden.

This does not answer my question.
Do you see the need to pay $500 to exercise a right in its simplest form an undue burden?

3. No. That state can pass any laws it wants as long as it meets constitutional guidelines.

How does requiring someone to pay $500 every year for a permit before they can exercise their right to arms meet "constitutional guidelines" -- specifically, how does it NOT infringe on the right to keep and bear arms?

You're just grabbing at straws now.

Nope -- I'm successfully pointin4g out your dishonesty, and the fact that you'd rather snipe at, denigrate and ignore the 2nd amendment rather than do what's necessary to repeal it.
Man up, son.
Repeal the 2nd.
Get busy.

You accuse me of something I never considered (repealing the 2nd)........told me you could read my mind..........and then declared VICTORY. Typical crazy right winger. Rush will be proud.

Nope -- I'm successfully pointing out your dishonesty, and the fact that you'd rather snipe at, denigrate and ignore the 2nd amendment rather than do what's necessary to repeal it.
Man up, son.
Repeal the 2nd.
Get busy.

 

[BULLDOG]

Right. You want to give me a homework assignment.

Translation:
Pursuant to your claim that "common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for [the 2nd] to work properly", you are unable to have an actual discussion as to what sort of regulation is 'allowed" by same..
Clearly, you do not like the 2nd and seek to ignore it at every turn.
So... when do you begin your effort to repeal it?

You are pretty confused. I never said I don't like the 2nd. To get past your confusion.....I LIKE HAVING THE 2ND AMMENDMENT

This is a lie, as evidenced by the fact that you ignore the 2nd amendment and do not believe that any restriction on the right to arms violates it.

So now you are telling me what I think? Idiot.

Ok then...
Tell us: What sort of restriction on the right to arms would indeed violate the 2nd?

Go away dumbass. I'm not going to play your what if game now. I have other things to deal with.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Translation:
Pursuant to your claim that "common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for [the 2nd] to work properly", you are unable to have an actual discussion as to what sort of regulation is 'allowed" by same..
Clearly, you do not like the 2nd and seek to ignore it at every turn.
So... when do you begin your effort to repeal it?

You are pretty confused. I never said I don't like the 2nd. To get past your confusion.....I LIKE HAVING THE 2ND AMMENDMENT

This is a lie, as evidenced by the fact that you ignore the 2nd amendment and do not believe that any restriction on the right to arms violates it.

So now you are telling me what I think? Idiot.

Ok then...
Tell us: What sort of restriction on the right to arms would indeed violate the 2nd?

Go away dumbass. I'm not going to play your what if game now. I have other things to deal with.

Thank you for proving that you have a problem with arguing with any degree of intellectual honesty.
Man up, son.
Repeal the 2nd.
Get busy.

 

[EverCurious]

Nice attempt at comparison, but that fails. a Mailbox is not a right, and NYC shouldn't have those laws to begin with.

How about we make people pay $400 to vote?

OT, but the reason mailboxes have restrictions/regulations is because the USPS is a gov run operation, it's also both a safety concern and transportation logistics issue for the mailman, as well as road/ditch maintenance folks.

 

[chikenwing]

There isn't any big effort to repeal the 2nd, and I don't know a single person who thinks there should be

OK then.
Recognize that the 2nd Amendment is there, it means something that you do not like, and get over it.

Everybody knows the 2nd is there. What makes you think I don't like it?

The fact that you ignore it each and every time you want to further restrict the rights of the law abiding.

As I said earlier. The right lies and exaggerates every political belief they have. Nobody is going to take away the 2nd amendment, but common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for it to work properly. Quit whining. Nobody is out to get you or your guns.

There are plenty that would in fact out law guns,and you know it,creeping encroachment,taxes on ammo,talk of requiring insurance,the list goes on and on.There is nothing being exaggerated,but your claims

 

[BULLDOG]

There isn't any big effort to repeal the 2nd, and I don't know a single person who thinks there should be

OK then.
Recognize that the 2nd Amendment is there, it means something that you do not like, and get over it.

Everybody knows the 2nd is there. What makes you think I don't like it?

The fact that you ignore it each and every time you want to further restrict the rights of the law abiding.

As I said earlier. The right lies and exaggerates every political belief they have. Nobody is going to take away the 2nd amendment, but common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for it to work properly. Quit whining. Nobody is out to get you or your guns.

There are plenty that would in fact out law guns,and you know it,creeping encroachment,taxes on ammo,talk of requiring insurance,the list goes on and on.There is nothing being exaggerated,but your claims

THE SKY IS FALLING.......AGAIN..........THE SKY IS FALLING...........AGAIN

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You got a problem with New York, Take it up with New York. I thought you were all for states rights.

States Rights end at my rights. Again with the typical progressive non answer. bad puppy.

The right to keep and bear arms is not a state right. The Second Amendment is absolutely clear with regard to whom this right belongs, and it is not the state.

Sounds like you have a problem with New York.

Sounds you have a problem with arguing with any degree of intellectual honesty.
Disagree?
Answer this
Would a federal requirement to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply own a gun violate the 2nd Amendment?

So now your argument is based on some completely hypothetical situation. Not surprising. That's all you've had so far.

The 2nd says will not infringe. If forcing a 500 dollar tax is not an infringement then how about a 500 dollar tax to vote? I mean the right to vote is not even as clear as the 2nd is.

 

[BULLDOG]

States Rights end at my rights. Again with the typical progressive non answer. bad puppy.

The right to keep and bear arms is not a state right. The Second Amendment is absolutely clear with regard to whom this right belongs, and it is not the state.

Sounds like you have a problem with New York.

Sounds you have a problem with arguing with any degree of intellectual honesty.
Disagree?
Answer this
Would a federal requirement to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply own a gun violate the 2nd Amendment?

So now your argument is based on some completely hypothetical situation. Not surprising. That's all you've had so far.

The 2nd says will not infringe. If forcing a 500 dollar tax is not an infringement then how about a 500 dollar tax to vote? I mean the right to vote is not even as clear as the 2nd is.

That's just silly. You should be whining to New York City officials. That is not a federal situation.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The right to keep and bear arms is not a state right. The Second Amendment is absolutely clear with regard to whom this right belongs, and it is not the state.

Sounds like you have a problem with New York.

Sounds you have a problem with arguing with any degree of intellectual honesty.
Disagree?
Answer this
Would a federal requirement to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply own a gun violate the 2nd Amendment?

So now your argument is based on some completely hypothetical situation. Not surprising. That's all you've had so far.

The 2nd says will not infringe. If forcing a 500 dollar tax is not an infringement then how about a 500 dollar tax to vote? I mean the right to vote is not even as clear as the 2nd is.

That's just silly. You should be whining to New York City officials. That is not a federal situation.

Both voting and the 2nd amendment are part of the Constitution. It is ILLEGAL to impose a tax to vote as determined by the Supreme Court, explain why imposing a tax on exercising your 2nd Amendment rights would be legal?

 

[Darkwind]

No need to repeal it. There's lots of wiggle room between outright banning of guns which is unconstitutional and reasonable limits to availability, which isn't. The "make no law" part only refers to making ownership illegal for all. The 2nd amendment isn't a suicide pact and shouldn't be considered as a carte blanche right for criminals or the insane to own guns or a prohibition of reasonable regulations regarding background checks and licensing.

You are wrong of course. your idea of reasonable limits is defined as "infringing" upon the 2nd Amendment.

you will have to do as the OP suggests and actually win enough state legislatures and both chambers of the US Congress and simply repeal one article of the Bill of Rights.

Get busy..

 

[BULLDOG]

Sounds like you have a problem with New York.

Sounds you have a problem with arguing with any degree of intellectual honesty.
Disagree?
Answer this
Would a federal requirement to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply own a gun violate the 2nd Amendment?

So now your argument is based on some completely hypothetical situation. Not surprising. That's all you've had so far.

The 2nd says will not infringe. If forcing a 500 dollar tax is not an infringement then how about a 500 dollar tax to vote? I mean the right to vote is not even as clear as the 2nd is.

That's just silly. You should be whining to New York City officials. That is not a federal situation.

Both voting and the 2nd amendment are part of the Constitution. It is ILLEGAL to impose a tax to vote as determined by the Supreme Court, explain why imposing a tax on exercising your 2nd Amendment rights would be legal?

Ask the supreme court. They are the ones who made the decision.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

"Make no law" is part of the 1st, not the 2nd. The 2nd says my right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, and right now in NYC I cannot concealed carry unless the NYPD thinks I should be able to.
That's infringement right there.

So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.

500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?

To get a handgun, even to keep in your house is long, expensive and drawn out in NYC.

Permit to purchase: No permit is required to buy a rifle or shotgun (except in New York City). A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver is required to purchase a handgun.

Firearm registration: Not required for long guns (except New York City). All handguns must be registered for $3 each. Handguns are registered with purchase permit. The serial number and sale is noted down. It is illegal to possess any un-registered firearm. Since enactment of the New York Safe Act, all grandfathered operable "assault" style rifles and shotguns purchased prior to Jan. 15, 2013, must now be registered by Jan. 15, 2014.

License: Not required other than to carry a concealed handgun in public, except in New York City.

Handgun permit/license: In 59 of 62 counties, concealed weapons permits applications for personal protection are reviewed on a "may issue" basis with a Superior Court judge serving as the licensing officer. New York City, Nassau and Suffolk counties have licensing officers that are either police commissioners or a sheriff. Applicants must show "proper cause," that they are "exposed to extraordinary personal danger" to receive a concealed carry permit. Odds of receiving a permit vary greatly by county, with metropolitan downstate counties far more restrictive than those upstate.

Fee: Varies widely, from $10 in Suffolk County to $340 in New York City (not including $91.50 for fingerprints and background check).

Duration: Varies by jurisdiction, from five years in Suffolk County to two years in New York City.

Renewal: Varies by jurisdiction.

Open carry: Illegal under state law although some counties will issue permits to open carry, not concealed carry.

State preemption: Municipalities, such as New York City, can impose more restrictive gun laws than the state.

Assault weapons ban: Possession of "assault weapons" is prohibited, except for those legally possessed on Jan. 15, 2013 and registered with the state by Jan. 15, 2014. Possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds is prohibited, but a maximum of only seven rounds may legally be loaded in a magazine; .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from the limit. New York City, Buffalo, Albany, and Rochester have their own assault weapon bans.

Legislative outlook: The New York State Legislature approved the nation's first gun-control measure following the Newtown shooting by adopting Gov. Andrew Cuomo's bill further restricting the state's ban on "assault weapons," limiting the size of magazines to seven bullets, and enacting more stringent background checks for sales.

Some neighborhoods even restrict the size and style mailbox you can have, but that is only a local issue and hardly any thing to with national laws. Gun rules in New York City are the same. Don't like local rules? Take it up with the local authorities in charge of them.

Nice attempt at comparison, but that fails. a Mailbox is not a right, and NYC shouldn't have those laws to begin with.

How about we make people pay $400 to vote?

Or $1 to have an abortion.

They would lose their shit.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The right to keep and bear arms is not a state right. The Second Amendment is absolutely clear with regard to whom this right belongs, and it is not the state.

Sounds like you have a problem with New York.

Sounds you have a problem with arguing with any degree of intellectual honesty.
Disagree?
Answer this
Would a federal requirement to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply own a gun violate the 2nd Amendment?

So now your argument is based on some completely hypothetical situation. Not surprising. That's all you've had so far.

The 2nd says will not infringe. If forcing a 500 dollar tax is not an infringement then how about a 500 dollar tax to vote? I mean the right to vote is not even as clear as the 2nd is.

That's just silly. You should be whining to New York City officials. That is not a federal situation.

Why do you refuse to understand that a violation of the 2nd Amendment is a federal situation?
I mean, other than the fact that you cannot discuss the issue with any degree of intellectual honesty?