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Really.As I said earlier. The right lies and exaggerates every political belief they have. Nobody is going to take away the 2nd amendment, but common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for it to work properly.
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Else, I'll assume you cannot and that your statement, above, is just more useless rhetoric.
You -don't- have a problem with having to pay $500 per year for a permit to simply own a gun and keep it in your house?Some neighborhoods even restrict the size and style mailbox you can have, but that is only a local issue and hardly any thing to with national laws. Gun rules in New York City are the same. Don't like local rules? Take it up with the local authorities in charge of them.So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden."Make no law" is part of the 1st, not the 2nd. The 2nd says my right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, and right now in NYC I cannot concealed carry unless the NYPD thinks I should be able to.
That's infringement right there.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.
500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?
To get a handgun, even to keep in your house is long, expensive and drawn out in NYC.
Permit to purchase: No permit is required to buy a rifle or shotgun (except in New York City). A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver is required to purchase a handgun.
Firearm registration: Not required for long guns (except New York City). All handguns must be registered for $3 each. Handguns are registered with purchase permit. The serial number and sale is noted down. It is illegal to possess any un-registered firearm. Since enactment of the New York Safe Act, all grandfathered operable "assault" style rifles and shotguns purchased prior to Jan. 15, 2013, must now be registered by Jan. 15, 2014.
License: Not required other than to carry a concealed handgun in public, except in New York City.
Handgun permit/license: In 59 of 62 counties, concealed weapons permits applications for personal protection are reviewed on a "may issue" basis with a Superior Court judge serving as the licensing officer. New York City, Nassau and Suffolk counties have licensing officers that are either police commissioners or a sheriff. Applicants must show "proper cause," that they are "exposed to extraordinary personal danger" to receive a concealed carry permit. Odds of receiving a permit vary greatly by county, with metropolitan downstate counties far more restrictive than those upstate.
Fee: Varies widely, from $10 in Suffolk County to $340 in New York City (not including $91.50 for fingerprints and background check).
Duration: Varies by jurisdiction, from five years in Suffolk County to two years in New York City.
Renewal: Varies by jurisdiction.
Open carry: Illegal under state law although some counties will issue permits to open carry, not concealed carry.
State preemption: Municipalities, such as New York City, can impose more restrictive gun laws than the state.
Assault weapons ban: Possession of "assault weapons" is prohibited, except for those legally possessed on Jan. 15, 2013 and registered with the state by Jan. 15, 2014. Possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds is prohibited, but a maximum of only seven rounds may legally be loaded in a magazine; .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from the limit. New York City, Buffalo, Albany, and Rochester have their own assault weapon bans.
Legislative outlook: The New York State Legislature approved the nation's first gun-control measure following the Newtown shooting by adopting Gov. Andrew Cuomo's bill further restricting the state's ban on "assault weapons," limiting the size of magazines to seven bullets, and enacting more stringent background checks for sales.
You -don't- see that as an undue burden?
You -don't- see that as an infringement?
So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden."Make no law" is part of the 1st, not the 2nd. The 2nd says my right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, and right now in NYC I cannot concealed carry unless the NYPD thinks I should be able to.
That's infringement right there.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.
500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?
To get a handgun, even to keep in your house is long, expensive and drawn out in NYC.
Permit to purchase: No permit is required to buy a rifle or shotgun (except in New York City). A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver is required to purchase a handgun.
Firearm registration: Not required for long guns (except New York City). All handguns must be registered for $3 each. Handguns are registered with purchase permit. The serial number and sale is noted down. It is illegal to possess any un-registered firearm. Since enactment of the New York Safe Act, all grandfathered operable "assault" style rifles and shotguns purchased prior to Jan. 15, 2013, must now be registered by Jan. 15, 2014.
License: Not required other than to carry a concealed handgun in public, except in New York City.
Handgun permit/license: In 59 of 62 counties, concealed weapons permits applications for personal protection are reviewed on a "may issue" basis with a Superior Court judge serving as the licensing officer. New York City, Nassau and Suffolk counties have licensing officers that are either police commissioners or a sheriff. Applicants must show "proper cause," that they are "exposed to extraordinary personal danger" to receive a concealed carry permit. Odds of receiving a permit vary greatly by county, with metropolitan downstate counties far more restrictive than those upstate.
Fee: Varies widely, from $10 in Suffolk County to $340 in New York City (not including $91.50 for fingerprints and background check).
Duration: Varies by jurisdiction, from five years in Suffolk County to two years in New York City.
Renewal: Varies by jurisdiction.
Open carry: Illegal under state law although some counties will issue permits to open carry, not concealed carry.
State preemption: Municipalities, such as New York City, can impose more restrictive gun laws than the state.
Assault weapons ban: Possession of "assault weapons" is prohibited, except for those legally possessed on Jan. 15, 2013 and registered with the state by Jan. 15, 2014. Possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds is prohibited, but a maximum of only seven rounds may legally be loaded in a magazine; .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from the limit. New York City, Buffalo, Albany, and Rochester have their own assault weapon bans.
Legislative outlook: The New York State Legislature approved the nation's first gun-control measure following the Newtown shooting by adopting Gov. Andrew Cuomo's bill further restricting the state's ban on "assault weapons," limiting the size of magazines to seven bullets, and enacting more stringent background checks for sales.
Some neighborhoods even restrict the size and style mailbox you can have, but that is only a local issue and hardly any thing to with national laws. Gun rules in New York City are the same. Don't like local rules? Take it up with the local authorities in charge of them.
Nice attempt at comparison, but that fails. a Mailbox is not a right, and NYC shouldn't have those laws to begin with.
How about we make people pay $400 to vote?
So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden."Make no law" is part of the 1st, not the 2nd. The 2nd says my right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, and right now in NYC I cannot concealed carry unless the NYPD thinks I should be able to.
That's infringement right there.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.
500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?
To get a handgun, even to keep in your house is long, expensive and drawn out in NYC.
Permit to purchase: No permit is required to buy a rifle or shotgun (except in New York City). A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver is required to purchase a handgun.
Firearm registration: Not required for long guns (except New York City). All handguns must be registered for $3 each. Handguns are registered with purchase permit. The serial number and sale is noted down. It is illegal to possess any un-registered firearm. Since enactment of the New York Safe Act, all grandfathered operable "assault" style rifles and shotguns purchased prior to Jan. 15, 2013, must now be registered by Jan. 15, 2014.
License: Not required other than to carry a concealed handgun in public, except in New York City.
Handgun permit/license: In 59 of 62 counties, concealed weapons permits applications for personal protection are reviewed on a "may issue" basis with a Superior Court judge serving as the licensing officer. New York City, Nassau and Suffolk counties have licensing officers that are either police commissioners or a sheriff. Applicants must show "proper cause," that they are "exposed to extraordinary personal danger" to receive a concealed carry permit. Odds of receiving a permit vary greatly by county, with metropolitan downstate counties far more restrictive than those upstate.
Fee: Varies widely, from $10 in Suffolk County to $340 in New York City (not including $91.50 for fingerprints and background check).
Duration: Varies by jurisdiction, from five years in Suffolk County to two years in New York City.
Renewal: Varies by jurisdiction.
Open carry: Illegal under state law although some counties will issue permits to open carry, not concealed carry.
State preemption: Municipalities, such as New York City, can impose more restrictive gun laws than the state.
Assault weapons ban: Possession of "assault weapons" is prohibited, except for those legally possessed on Jan. 15, 2013 and registered with the state by Jan. 15, 2014. Possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds is prohibited, but a maximum of only seven rounds may legally be loaded in a magazine; .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from the limit. New York City, Buffalo, Albany, and Rochester have their own assault weapon bans.
Legislative outlook: The New York State Legislature approved the nation's first gun-control measure following the Newtown shooting by adopting Gov. Andrew Cuomo's bill further restricting the state's ban on "assault weapons," limiting the size of magazines to seven bullets, and enacting more stringent background checks for sales.
You got a problem with New York, Take it up with New York. I thought you were all for states rights.
States Rights end at my rights. Again with the typical progressive non answer. bad puppy.
Translation:Right. You want to give me a homework assignment.Really.As I said earlier. The right lies and exaggerates every political belief they have. Nobody is going to take away the 2nd amendment, but common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for it to work properly.
Please feel free to meaningfully respond to these topics
Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Gun license / registration -- a sound argument? | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Question: What qualifies as an "infringement" of the right to arms? | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Else, I'll assume you cannot and that your statement, above, is just more useless rhetoric.
The 2nd amendment applies to state and local laws.I see that as a local issue. Nothing to do with federal law.You -don't- have a problem with having to pay $500 per year for a permit to simply own a gun and keep it in your house?Some neighborhoods even restrict the size and style mailbox you can have, but that is only a local issue and hardly any thing to with national laws. Gun rules in New York City are the same. Don't like local rules? Take it up with the local authorities in charge of them.So is the fact that you have to pay $500/yr for a permit to simply OWN a gun - unquestionably an undue burden.
But, people who believe a $10 state ID - good for 4 years -- is an undue burden on the right to vote? They don't care.
500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?
To get a handgun, even to keep in your house is long, expensive and drawn out in NYC.
Permit to purchase: No permit is required to buy a rifle or shotgun (except in New York City). A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver is required to purchase a handgun.
Firearm registration: Not required for long guns (except New York City). All handguns must be registered for $3 each. Handguns are registered with purchase permit. The serial number and sale is noted down. It is illegal to possess any un-registered firearm. Since enactment of the New York Safe Act, all grandfathered operable "assault" style rifles and shotguns purchased prior to Jan. 15, 2013, must now be registered by Jan. 15, 2014.
License: Not required other than to carry a concealed handgun in public, except in New York City.
Handgun permit/license: In 59 of 62 counties, concealed weapons permits applications for personal protection are reviewed on a "may issue" basis with a Superior Court judge serving as the licensing officer. New York City, Nassau and Suffolk counties have licensing officers that are either police commissioners or a sheriff. Applicants must show "proper cause," that they are "exposed to extraordinary personal danger" to receive a concealed carry permit. Odds of receiving a permit vary greatly by county, with metropolitan downstate counties far more restrictive than those upstate.
Fee: Varies widely, from $10 in Suffolk County to $340 in New York City (not including $91.50 for fingerprints and background check).
Duration: Varies by jurisdiction, from five years in Suffolk County to two years in New York City.
Renewal: Varies by jurisdiction.
Open carry: Illegal under state law although some counties will issue permits to open carry, not concealed carry.
State preemption: Municipalities, such as New York City, can impose more restrictive gun laws than the state.
Assault weapons ban: Possession of "assault weapons" is prohibited, except for those legally possessed on Jan. 15, 2013 and registered with the state by Jan. 15, 2014. Possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds is prohibited, but a maximum of only seven rounds may legally be loaded in a magazine; .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from the limit. New York City, Buffalo, Albany, and Rochester have their own assault weapon bans.
Legislative outlook: The New York State Legislature approved the nation's first gun-control measure following the Newtown shooting by adopting Gov. Andrew Cuomo's bill further restricting the state's ban on "assault weapons," limiting the size of magazines to seven bullets, and enacting more stringent background checks for sales.
You -don't- see that as an undue burden?
You -don't- see that as an infringement?
As I said earlier. The right lies and exaggerates every political belief they have. Nobody is going to take away the 2nd amendment, but common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for it to work properly. Quit whining. Nobody is out to get you or your guns.
As Bulldog so clearly illustrates for us on this very topic, neither he nor his side possesses any such honesty.As I said earlier. The right lies and exaggerates every political belief they have. Nobody is going to take away the 2nd amendment, but common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for it to work properly. Quit whining. Nobody is out to get you or your guns.
As written, the Second Amendment absolutely forbids this “common sense regulation” that your side wants to inflict. If your side was honest...
You didn't answer the questions.I don't live in New York, and you probably don't either. Sounds like a states rights issue. Not my concern.You -don't- have a problem with having to pay $500 per year for a permit oi simply own a gun and keep it in your house?Some neighborhoods even restrict the size and style mailbox you can have, but that is only a local issue and hardly any thing to with national laws. Gun rules in New York City are the same. Don't like local rules? Take it up with the local authorities in charge of them.500 per year to own a gun? That is not a wide spread issue if it exists at all. Details?
To get a handgun, even to keep in your house is long, expensive and drawn out in NYC.
Permit to purchase: No permit is required to buy a rifle or shotgun (except in New York City). A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver is required to purchase a handgun.
Firearm registration: Not required for long guns (except New York City). All handguns must be registered for $3 each. Handguns are registered with purchase permit. The serial number and sale is noted down. It is illegal to possess any un-registered firearm. Since enactment of the New York Safe Act, all grandfathered operable "assault" style rifles and shotguns purchased prior to Jan. 15, 2013, must now be registered by Jan. 15, 2014.
License: Not required other than to carry a concealed handgun in public, except in New York City.
Handgun permit/license: In 59 of 62 counties, concealed weapons permits applications for personal protection are reviewed on a "may issue" basis with a Superior Court judge serving as the licensing officer. New York City, Nassau and Suffolk counties have licensing officers that are either police commissioners or a sheriff. Applicants must show "proper cause," that they are "exposed to extraordinary personal danger" to receive a concealed carry permit. Odds of receiving a permit vary greatly by county, with metropolitan downstate counties far more restrictive than those upstate.
Fee: Varies widely, from $10 in Suffolk County to $340 in New York City (not including $91.50 for fingerprints and background check).
Duration: Varies by jurisdiction, from five years in Suffolk County to two years in New York City.
Renewal: Varies by jurisdiction.
Open carry: Illegal under state law although some counties will issue permits to open carry, not concealed carry.
State preemption: Municipalities, such as New York City, can impose more restrictive gun laws than the state.
Assault weapons ban: Possession of "assault weapons" is prohibited, except for those legally possessed on Jan. 15, 2013 and registered with the state by Jan. 15, 2014. Possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds is prohibited, but a maximum of only seven rounds may legally be loaded in a magazine; .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from the limit. New York City, Buffalo, Albany, and Rochester have their own assault weapon bans.
Legislative outlook: The New York State Legislature approved the nation's first gun-control measure following the Newtown shooting by adopting Gov. Andrew Cuomo's bill further restricting the state's ban on "assault weapons," limiting the size of magazines to seven bullets, and enacting more stringent background checks for sales.
You -don't- see that as an undue burden?
You -don't- see that as an infringement?
You -don't- have a problem with having to pay $500 per year for a permit oi simply own a gun and keep it in your house?
You -don't- see that as an undue burden?
You -don't- see that as an infringement?
You got a problem with New York, Take it up with New York. I thought you were all for states rights.
States Rights end at my rights. Again with the typical progressive non answer. bad puppy.
Clearly, you do not like the 2nd and seek to ignore it at every turn.
So... when do you begin your effort to repeal it?
Translation:Right. You want to give me a homework assignment.Really.As I said earlier. The right lies and exaggerates every political belief they have. Nobody is going to take away the 2nd amendment, but common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for it to work properly.
Please feel free to meaningfully respond to these topics
Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Gun license / registration -- a sound argument? | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Question: What qualifies as an "infringement" of the right to arms? | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Else, I'll assume you cannot and that your statement, above, is just more useless rhetoric.
Pursuant to your claim that "common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for [the 2nd] to work properly", you are unable to have an actual discussion as to what sort of regulation is 'allowed" by same..
Clearly, you do not like the 2nd and seek to ignore it at every turn.
So... when do you begin your effort to repeal it?
Oh, I see.1. I don't have a problem because I don't live in New York City. If you do, then take it up with local law makers.You didn't answer the questions.I don't live in New York, and you probably don't either. Sounds like a states rights issue. Not my concern.You -don't- have a problem with having to pay $500 per year for a permit oi simply own a gun and keep it in your house?Some neighborhoods even restrict the size and style mailbox you can have, but that is only a local issue and hardly any thing to with national laws. Gun rules in New York City are the same. Don't like local rules? Take it up with the local authorities in charge of them.To get a handgun, even to keep in your house is long, expensive and drawn out in NYC.
You -don't- see that as an undue burden?
You -don't- see that as an infringement?
You -don't- have a problem with having to pay $500 per year for a permit oi simply own a gun and keep it in your house?
You -don't- see that as an undue burden?
You -don't- see that as an infringement?
This does not answer my question.2. I have local laws that I see as an undue burden.
How does requiring someone to pay $500 every year for a permit before they can exercise their right to arms meet "constitutional guidelines" -- specifically, how does it NOT infringe on the right to keep and bear arms?3. No. That state can pass any laws it wants as long as it meets constitutional guidelines.
As I said earlier. The right lies and exaggerates every political belief they have. Nobody is going to take away the 2nd amendment, but common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for it to work properly. Quit whining. Nobody is out to get you or your guns.
As written, the Second Amendment absolutely forbids this “common sense regulation” that your side wants to inflict. If your side was honest, then it would acknowledge this,and it would be working to get a new amendment ratified to supersede the Second Amendment, as this is the only legitimate way to accomplish what your side thinks it wants. But everyone on your side knows that there is no way you can get nearly the support that it would take for such an amendment to pass, so instead, you work through corrupt legislators and judges who will pretend that the Second Amendment does not say what it very clearly does say.
This is a lie, as evidenced by the fact that you ignore the 2nd amendment and do not believe that any restriction on the right to arms violates it.You are pretty confused. I never said I don't like the 2nd. To get past your confusion.....I LIKE HAVING THE 2ND AMMENDMENTTranslation:Right. You want to give me a homework assignment.Really.As I said earlier. The right lies and exaggerates every political belief they have. Nobody is going to take away the 2nd amendment, but common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for it to work properly.
Please feel free to meaningfully respond to these topics
Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Gun license / registration -- a sound argument? | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Question: What qualifies as an "infringement" of the right to arms? | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Else, I'll assume you cannot and that your statement, above, is just more useless rhetoric.
Pursuant to your claim that "common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for [the 2nd] to work properly", you are unable to have an actual discussion as to what sort of regulation is 'allowed" by same..
Clearly, you do not like the 2nd and seek to ignore it at every turn.
So... when do you begin your effort to repeal it?
You got a problem with New York, Take it up with New York. I thought you were all for states rights.
States Rights end at my rights. Again with the typical progressive non answer. bad puppy.
The right to keep and bear arms is not a state right. The Second Amendment is absolutely clear with regard to whom this right belongs, and it is not the state.
You are pretty confused. I never said I don't like the 2nd. To get past your confusion.....I LIKE HAVING THE 2ND AMMENDMENT…
Oh, I see.1. I don't have a problem because I don't live in New York City. If you do, then take it up with local law makers.You didn't answer the questions.I don't live in New York, and you probably don't either. Sounds like a states rights issue. Not my concern.You -don't- have a problem with having to pay $500 per year for a permit oi simply own a gun and keep it in your house?Some neighborhoods even restrict the size and style mailbox you can have, but that is only a local issue and hardly any thing to with national laws. Gun rules in New York City are the same. Don't like local rules? Take it up with the local authorities in charge of them.
You -don't- see that as an undue burden?
You -don't- see that as an infringement?
You -don't- have a problem with having to pay $500 per year for a permit oi simply own a gun and keep it in your house?
You -don't- see that as an undue burden?
You -don't- see that as an infringement?
Do you have an issue with states that you don't live in that require a photo ID to vote?
Be honest now.
This does not answer my question.2. I have local laws that I see as an undue burden.
Do you see the need to pay $500 to exercise a right in its simplest form an undue burden?
How does requiring someone to pay $500 every year for a permit before they can exercise their right to arms meet "constitutional guidelines" -- specifically, how does it NOT infringe on the right to keep and bear arms?3. No. That state can pass any laws it wants as long as it meets constitutional guidelines.
This is a lie, as evidenced by the fact that you ignore the 2nd amendment and do not believe that any restriction on the right to arms violates it.You are pretty confused. I never said I don't like the 2nd. To get past your confusion.....I LIKE HAVING THE 2ND AMMENDMENTTranslation:Right. You want to give me a homework assignment.Really.As I said earlier. The right lies and exaggerates every political belief they have. Nobody is going to take away the 2nd amendment, but common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for it to work properly.
Please feel free to meaningfully respond to these topics
Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Gun license / registration -- a sound argument? | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Question: What qualifies as an "infringement" of the right to arms? | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Else, I'll assume you cannot and that your statement, above, is just more useless rhetoric.
Pursuant to your claim that "common sense regulation is certainly allowed and required for [the 2nd] to work properly", you are unable to have an actual discussion as to what sort of regulation is 'allowed" by same..
Clearly, you do not like the 2nd and seek to ignore it at every turn.
So... when do you begin your effort to repeal it?
Sounds you have a problem with arguing with any degree of intellectual honesty.Sounds like you have a problem with New York.The right to keep and bear arms is not a state right. The Second Amendment is absolutely clear with regard to whom this right belongs, and it is not the state.States Rights end at my rights. Again with the typical progressive non answer. bad puppy.You got a problem with New York, Take it up with New York. I thought you were all for states rights.
