Dossier, Dossier, Dossier

The FISA warrant consisted of more evidence than the dossier .

Have Trump release the whole thing if it’s all just lies !


Was there any FISA warrant without the dossier?

No?


Exactly.


Quit bitching about the fisa process that conservatives have defended/ expanded since 911.

Y’all didn’t mind the rubber stamp warrants when it was targeting brown people .


Got you to change the subject that fast.....

But....you've never been much of a challenge.

You never answer a question!

And you falsely state there is no fisa warrant without the dossier .


I correctly stated that there would never have been any FISA warrant sans the dossier.


1. "The Department of Justice used the unverified dossier to obtain a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant against Carter Page, an alleged "foreign policy adviser" to Donald Trump and the last frayed thread of the Russian collusion story. The FISA court was not told who had paid Steele to create the "salacious and unverified" dossier -- in the words of the showboating former FBI Director James Comey -- much less about Steele's personal hatred of Trump."
Carter Page: Agent 000


2. BAIER: Democrats are criticizing a lot, as you can imagine. I’m sure you’ve heard. But they’re jumping on one particular part of the memo in particular. Number four, the memo states that then-deputy director of the FBI, Andrew McCabe, quote, testified before the committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISA court without the Steele dossier information? Democrats say he never said that, did he?

NUNES: Yes. I mean, it’s a summation of a long interview. And that is definitely what he said. Not to mention, we have other witnesses who said very similar things. So, the fact of the matter is, the main things that were used to go out and get this warrant was the dossier and the story that corroborated the dossier.
Nunes on Memo: This Is About FBI Using Oppo Research To Get FISA Warrant On Trump Campaign






3. Even when the story blew up:

"FBI Director James Comey has been caught going around to secret Congressional briefings in “recent weeks” touting the lurid fake “Trump dossier.” He has been claiming that it is a major foundation of the FBI’s investigation of purported Russian collusion with Trump to interfere in the election—months after the FBI had already assessed the “dossier” as non-credible."
The Final Truth about the “Trump Dossier”



"...a major foundation of the FBI’s investigation of purported Russian collusion with Trump...."
Even when he already knew it was "non-credible
Non-credible....



I love when you post....you're such an easy target......
 
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So you have nothing, so you repeat the lie. Typical.

Has you doctor got that bipolar medication figured out yet?
your problem is with Woodward, not with me. dont shoot the messenger
well you said trump verified it. you haven't proved it with a link. so who cares what woodward wrote. pay attention to the thread.
 

So you have nothing, so you repeat the lie. Typical.

Has you doctor got that bipolar medication figured out yet?
your problem is with Woodward, not with me. dont shoot the messenger

You are repeating his lies. That's called an accomplice, so yes, I do have a problem with you.
 
1. Central to the Mueller Farrago is the 'dossier.'

Without it, no FISA warrants to surveil Trump, et al......

No Comey leaks

No special prosecutor

Soooo....the dossier cannot be ignored.

And here's what it implies:

Russia is a dictatorship.
Nothing emanates from Moscow without Putin's imprimatur....
The 'information' in the infamous 'dossier' came from Russia.

Now.....if Putin wanted Trump to win.......would there have ever.......ever.....been a dossier?????


QED......the candidate of Vladimir Putin was Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.



If any collusion occurred, it was through Democrats, the only folks for whom we have actual evidence of collusion.



2. As of this moment:
"FBI Couldn’t Find Trump-Russia Collusion, and Neither Could Bob Woodward
Justice turned on its head: “imposing the presumption of guilt upon a probe whose own originators had reason to doubt the strength of their evidence”

3. Buried amid all the anti-Trump “Russia, Russia, Russia” derangement are a couple of potentially explosive revelations.

Lisa Page, former FBI lawyer and mistress of former FBI agent Peter Strzok, admitted that the FBI couldn’t prove collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia at the time Robert Mueller took over the investigation, and Bob Woodward admits that after searching “hard” for two years, he found no evidence of collusion, either.


In response to questioning during a congressional interview, Page told Representative John Ratcliffe (R-TX) that as of May, 2017, the FBI had found no connection between Trump and Russia that pointed to collusion."
FBI Couldn't Find Trump-Russia Collusion, and Neither Could Bob Woodward



4. "To date, Lisa Page’s infamy has been driven mostly by the anti-Donald Trump text messages she exchanged with fellow FBI agent Peter Strzok as the two engaged in an affair while investigating the president for alleged election collusion with Russia.

Yet, when history judges the former FBI lawyer years from now, her most consequential pronouncement may not have been typed on her bureau-issued Samsung smartphone to her colleague and lover.

Rather, it might be eight simple words she uttered behind closed doors during a congressional interview a few weeks ago.

“It’s a reflection of us still not knowing,” Page told Rep. John Ratcliffe (R-Texas) when questioned about texts she and Strzok exchanged in May 2017 as Robert Mueller was being named a special prosecutor to take over the Russia investigation.

With that statement, Page acknowledged a momentous fact: After nine months of using some of the most awesome surveillance powers afforded to U.S. intelligence, the FBI still had not made a case connecting Trump or his campaign to Russia’s election meddling.

Page opined further, acknowledging “it still existed in the scope of possibility that there would be literally nothing” to connect Trump and Russia, no matter what Mueller or the FBI did.

“As far as May of 2017, we still couldn’t answer the question,” she said at another point." Lisa Page bombshell: FBI couldn’t prove Trump-Russia collusion before Mueller appointment




5. Everything the Democrats/Liberals touch turns to ....mud.

They have altered the reputation of a once great institution, the FBI, to political backstabbers, no more than 'the gang that couldn't shoot straight,' and treacherous goons.

No more than handmaidens of the Democrats.


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Nope. Central to Mueller's investigation is Comey's testimony before Congress. Which had little to nothing to do with the Dossier. In fact, the only time Comey mentions the Dossier is to confirm that he's not talking about the Dossier.

As usual, your entire argument is predicated on nonsense.





1. "The Department of Justice used the unverified dossier to obtain a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant against Carter Page, an alleged "foreign policy adviser" to Donald Trump and the last frayed thread of the Russian collusion story. The FISA court was not told who had paid Steele to create the "salacious and unverified" dossier -- in the words of the showboating former FBI Director James Comey -- much less about Steele's personal hatred of Trump."
Carter Page: Agent 000


2. BAIER: Democrats are criticizing a lot, as you can imagine. I’m sure you’ve heard. But they’re jumping on one particular part of the memo in particular. Number four, the memo states that then-deputy director of the FBI, Andrew McCabe, quote, testified before the committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISA court without the Steele dossier information? Democrats say he never said that, did he?

NUNES: Yes. I mean, it’s a summation of a long interview. And that is definitely what he said. Not to mention, we have other witnesses who said very similar things. So, the fact of the matter is, the main things that were used to go out and get this warrant was the dossier and the story that corroborated the dossier.
Nunes on Memo: This Is About FBI Using Oppo Research To Get FISA Warrant On Trump Campaign






3. Even when the story blew up:

"FBI Director James Comey has been caught going around to secret Congressional briefings in “recent weeks” touting the lurid fake “Trump dossier.” He has been claiming that it is a major foundation of the FBI’s investigation of purported Russian collusion with Trump to interfere in the election—months after theFBI had already assessed the “dossier” as non-credible."
The Final Truth about the “Trump Dossier”



"...a major foundation of the FBI’s investigation of purported Russian collusion with Trump...."
Even when he already knew it was "non-credible
Non-credible....



I love when you post....you're such an easy target......
 
Considering the topic and content of the OP, why the HELL ISN'T this bullshit thread in the Conspiracy Theories or Rubber Room Forums?? It has nothing to do with Politics, but rather is nothing more than another admix rehashing of contrived and unsubstantiated hogwash of maybe could have been partisan scenarios.

Anyone who believes this crap would also believe that the Orange Clown's inauguration last year was the largest attended in the history of the United States, or that Trump has always been faithful to his various wives; I.e. one must have taken in far too much Trump piss while ingesting his cabal's bullshit propaganda given the photographic evidence available on Jan 20, 2017!
 
And your evidence that Obama organized an 'obstruction campaign' is......your imagination.

Your lack of information is only second in your lack of intelligence, but the two do go hand-in-hand.

FBI Agent Strzok stated in his own texts to Page that OBAMA LIKED TO BE KEPT UP-TO-DATE ON EVERYTHING GOING ON.

Are you ACTUALLY trying to suggest that President Barak Obama's DOJ Deputy Director, CIA Director, NIA Director, and leadership within the FBI (Director, Deputy Director, Director of Counter-Intelligence, PA/PR Director - all implicated in evidence to include testimony and texts by Strzok and Page) were illegally using an unverified report purchased and provided to them by Hillary Clinton - the Democratic party's Nominee, by a foreign spy working with the Russians and working for the FBI, and Russians - one a friend of Robert Mueller...to illegally obtain warrants to spy on the GOP candidate and his team AND to illegally deceitfully get their hand-picked political assassin as Special Counsel WITHOUT OBAMA KNOWING ANY OF THIS WAS GOING ON?


Are you trying to suggest that the President evidence shows knew about...

- Hillary's illegal unauthorized unencrypted unsecured TOP SECRET data-filled server (as he was e-mailing her using an alias and personal e-mail address), refused to shut it down, and thereby was complicit in the espionage - stealing of that classified information - by 5 foreign entities that included China and Russia (according to the US IG Report)

- The Russians running a counter-Intelligence operation, attempting to hack senior Govt officials, and attempting to hack our power grid yet did nothing about it, allowing it to continue for 2 years

and was not 'involved in any way?


Are you suggesting that his US AG was overseeing the investigation of the proven FELON Hillary Clinton and never briefing him on what was going on, that she unethically and immorally scheduled a meeting with Bill Clinton days before the FBI's acknowledgment of Hillary's crime but announcement that they would not recommend indictment (which the US IG called the FBI 'usurping the power of the DOJ, a clear violation of the separation of powers'), that his US AG had helped author Hillary's exoneration before witnesses had been interviewed / before the investigation was over?


Are you suggesting, as evidence proves, that the FBI was running a Counter-Intelligence Operation against the GOP Presidential Candidate ... and later against the PRESIDENT of the United States and Barry was completely clueless of this going on?


What you are suggesting is completely unbelievable, impossible, not plausible based on insurmountable evidence .... unless you are saying and it is indeed the case that Barak Obama was the DUMBEST, MOST CLUELESS, INEPT President in US History!


So which is it...which are you saying....Obama KNEW or he is the dumbest M*erF*er to ever sit in the WH, a man so clueless that his entire Cabinet and agency directors were running amuck, violating both Constitution and Rule of Law, lawlessly spying on citizens, the media, US Senators, USSC Justices, protecting Hillary, attempting to alter Presidential elections, and to illegally frame, indict, and jail a Presidential nominee / US President - that they were attempting to stage a political coup against the US President...and Obama was not only in control of his own government but was so f*ing stupid he had no clue it was going on?
 
your problem is with Woodward, not with me. dont shoot the messenger
Woodward has a history of making shit up. He is old, senile, and is trying to relive his greatest moment of success...much like Captain Queeg in the movie 'The Cain Mutiny': 'The cabin boys made a duplicate of the freezer key and ate the strawberries'....

He's getting rich peddling sedition and slander of the US President.
 
The FISA warrant consisted of more evidence than the dossier .

Have Trump release the whole thing if it’s all just lies !


Was there any FISA warrant without the dossier?

No?


Exactly.


Quit bitching about the fisa process that conservatives have defended/ expanded since 911.

Y’all didn’t mind the rubber stamp warrants when it was targeting brown people .


Got you to change the subject that fast.....

But....you've never been much of a challenge.

You never answer a question!

And you falsely state there is no fisa warrant without the dossier .


I correctly stated that there would never have been any FISA warrant sans the dossier.


1. "The Department of Justice used the unverified dossier to obtain a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant against Carter Page, an alleged "foreign policy adviser" to Donald Trump and the last frayed thread of the Russian collusion story. The FISA court was not told who had paid Steele to create the "salacious and unverified" dossier -- in the words of the showboating former FBI Director James Comey -- much less about Steele's personal hatred of Trump."
Carter Page: Agent 000


2. BAIER: Democrats are criticizing a lot, as you can imagine. I’m sure you’ve heard. But they’re jumping on one particular part of the memo in particular. Number four, the memo states that then-deputy director of the FBI, Andrew McCabe, quote, testified before the committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISA court without the Steele dossier information? Democrats say he never said that, did he?

NUNES: Yes. I mean, it’s a summation of a long interview. And that is definitely what he said. Not to mention, we have other witnesses who said very similar things. So, the fact of the matter is, the main things that were used to go out and get this warrant was the dossier and the story that corroborated the dossier.
Nunes on Memo: This Is About FBI Using Oppo Research To Get FISA Warrant On Trump Campaign






3. Even when the story blew up:

"FBI Director James Comey has been caught going around to secret Congressional briefings in “recent weeks” touting the lurid fake “Trump dossier.” He has been claiming that it is a major foundation of the FBI’s investigation of purported Russian collusion with Trump to interfere in the election—months after the FBI had already assessed the “dossier” as non-credible."
The Final Truth about the “Trump Dossier”



"...a major foundation of the FBI’s investigation of purported Russian collusion with Trump...."
Even when he already knew it was "non-credible
Non-credible....



I love when you post....you're such an easy target......

Again, the Dossier is not the basis of the Mueller investigation. Here's Rosenstein's statement when he appointment the Special Counsel:

Appointment of Special Counsel

Zero mention of the 'Dossier'.

Here's the order appointing the Special Counsel:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

Again, not a single mention of the 'Dossier'. The basis of the mueller investigation....was the testimony of Comey before Congress on March 20th, 2017.

With Comey never citing the Dossier as the source of any part of his investigation. And the only mention Comey makes of the Dossier....being to confirm that he's not talking about it.

As usual, PC.....you simply don't know what you're talking about.
 
That’s a good point—that if Trump was really “Putin’s bitch” and Putin needed him to be elected in order to garner control of America, why allow the dossier to see the light of day?

Please anti-Trumpers. You obviously know what’s going through both Trump and Putin’s heads bc you claim to all the time and you never lie, so why would Vlad allow the leakage of the FABRICATED dossier?
 
your problem is with Woodward, not with me. dont shoot the messenger
Woodward has a history of making shit up. He is old, senile, and is trying to relive his greatest moment of success...much like Captain Queeg in the movie 'The Cain Mutiny': 'The cabin boys made a duplicate of the freezer key and ate the strawberries'....

He's getting rich peddling sedition and slander of the US President.

I'll gladly put Woodward's credibility up against Trump's.

And with Trump's approval rating crumbling, so it seems would the American people.
 
For those who are interested in the reality of this whole caper, I suggest reading Andrew McCarthy's opinion pieces (National Review on line) on the subject over the past year.

If push comes to shove, and Mueller purports to indict one or more of the inner circle (ignoring the fact that such an indictment will have nothing to do with the elusive conspiracy charge - "collusion" is not a crime), the APPOINTMENT OF A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR itself, will be the main issue that comes to the USSC, and the appointment of Mueller will be found to be illegal and void. Knowledgeable Democrats know this, so they are quite content to have the investigation go on "forever" so that they can continue to mine the nonsense fake-news that it spawns.

The appointment of a Special Prosecutor requires the knowledge that a crime has been committed AND some overt, serious conflict of interest for the Justice Department that prevents it from pursuing prosecution of the aforesaid crime in the normal course of its business.

In this case, no crime has even been articulated, and more importantly, there is no apparent conflict of interest that would prevent the Justice Department from pursuing the matter. That is to say, no one in the Justice Department is compromised or conflicted on this matter.
Why do you guys keep saying that?

Yes, a crime was committed.
DNC servers were hacked and the information was provided on Wikileaks
THAT is a crime

Trump benefitted from that informationand used it in his campaign. His campaign also met with the Russians about obtaining that information

That warrants an investigation

The investigation would have been conducted by Comey, but Trump fired him. That action warranted a special prosecutor
nobody really gave a damn about what was found on this hacked leaks. there were a LOT of crimes uncovered by the DNC that are glossed over in an effort to play the victim. i'm all for going after those who commit crimes, and that would include the DNC.
Diversion

We are talking about Trump
 
I'll gladly put Woodward's credibility up against Trump's.
I would gladly put Trump's credibility up against MUELLER'S right now....

...because so far there is more evidence that has been presented proving Mueller's conflict of interest, evidence of his criminal Obstruction (refusing to comply with a Congressional Subpoena), evidence of his participation in a Conspiracy (Oher testifying he and Steele were communicating with Mueller already in early 2016), AND Mueller in his past withheld information / evidence that proved a man to be innocent and sent the innocent man to jail anyway.

So far there is no evidence of a crime warranting an investigation, no evidence of a crime warranting a Special Counsel, and no evidence of criminal collusion between Trump and Russians (ass opposed to the evidence of illegal criminal collusion between Democrats, to include Obama, Hillary, and potentially even Mueller - and his Oligarch friend believed to have written the Dossier).
 
The Steele Dossier claims Putin has compromising information on Trump

Seems right to me
i'll wait for proof. speculation is fine and all but not when you then move your "speculation" to fact and make judgements around it.

"i'll wait for proof."

How long?

Is the impending Ice Age a factor in your plan?
if you were the accused, how long would you want people to wait for facts?

look, i already think this lady is a painted picture and nothing to do with reality. her scrubbed profiles says enough for me to the point where i don't need to know why she did it in order to create a *need* to speculate.




Don't you understand????

There are no facts other than these:
Russia is a dictatorship.
Nothing emanates from Moscow without Putin's imprimatur....
The 'information' in the infamous 'dossier' came from Russia.

Now.....if Putin wanted Trump to win.......would there have ever.......ever.....been a dossier?????


QED......the candidate of Vladimir Putin was Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.




If any collusion occurred, it was through Democrats, the only folks for whom we have actual evidence of collusion.



Time for orange jumpsuits:


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The above people including Mueller should be tried for plotting a COUP. They should then face a firing squad so this never happens again.
 
The FISA warrant consisted of more evidence than the dossier .

Have Trump release the whole thing if it’s all just lies !


Was there any FISA warrant without the dossier?

No?


Exactly.
there were 2 or 3 FISA warrants on Page prior to the dossier... so yes.


Reading your posts, one gets the distinct impression that you post with or without any knowledge of the subject.

Hence, accusing you of being a liar would hardly be a stretch.



"So what do we know about the Page warrant?

We know that it was issued on Oct. 19, 2016, according to reporting this week from The Post.

We do know one element contained in it. The Post first reported on the warrant (known as a FISA warrant, short for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) in April. "
Analysis | What we know about the warrant to surveil Carter Page


"...in April 2016, Marc Elias — a top Democratic campaign lawyer — retained Fusion GPS through his firm of Perkins Coie on behalf of both Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee. Perkins Coie, at Elias’s behest and with the bills ultimately paid by Clinton and the DNC, continued to fund Fusion’s work through the end of October 2016, though the people involved say that neither the campaign nor the DNC was aware of the details of Fusion’s work."
Steele’s dossier circulated in the media during the fall of 2016..."
The Steele dossier on Trump and Russia, explained


Clearly, the dossier is contemporary with the Left/FBI attack on Trump associates.
 
I'll gladly put Woodward's credibility up against Trump's.
I would gladly put Trump's credibility up against MUELLER'S right now....

...because so far there is more evidence that has been presented proving Mueller's conflict of interest, evidence of his criminal Obstruction (refusing to comply with a Congressional Subpoena), evidence of his participation in a Conspiracy (Oher testifying he and Steele were communicating with Mueller already in early 2016), AND Mueller in his past withheld information / evidence that proved a man to be innocent and sent the innocent man to jail anyway.

So far there is no evidence of a crime warranting an investigation, no evidence of a crime warranting a Special Counsel, and no evidence of criminal collusion between Trump and Russians (ass opposed to the evidence of illegal criminal collusion between Democrats, to include Obama, Hillary, and potentially even Mueller - and his Oligarch friend believed to have written the Dossier).
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I'll gladly put Woodward's credibility up against Trump's.
I would gladly put Trump's credibility up against MUELLER'S right now....

...because so far there is more evidence that has been presented proving Mueller's conflict of interest, evidence of his criminal Obstruction (refusing to comply with a Congressional Subpoena), evidence of his participation in a Conspiracy (Oher testifying he and Steele were communicating with Mueller already in early 2016), AND Mueller in his past withheld information / evidence that proved a man to be innocent and sent the innocent man to jail anyway.

So far there is no evidence of a crime warranting an investigation, no evidence of a crime warranting a Special Counsel, and no evidence of criminal collusion between Trump and Russians (ass opposed to the evidence of illegal criminal collusion between Democrats, to include Obama, Hillary, and potentially even Mueller - and his Oligarch friend believed to have written the Dossier).
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Nice...you can post a meme. I bet you can color within the lines 90% of the time, too. (Yawn) Better head back to the kids' table...I hear it is cookies and lemonade time. :p
 

I'll see your childish meme and raise you one dose of proven, recorded, reported FACT....


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Hid Evidence proving a defendant was innocent,
sent the man to jail for years despite knowing he
was not guilty.

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Hid evidence of Russian crimes associated
with the KGB Bank's effort to acquire Uranium
One until AFTER the deal went through
- complicit in handing Russia 20% of the US
supply of uranium.

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DOJ Rep Oher just testified that he and
foreign spy Steele - working for the FBI -
were communicating with Mueller on the
Dossier in EARLY 2016, BEFORE HE

WAS APPOINTED AS SPECIAL COUNSEL.


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No evidence of crime / Obstruction of Justice - Refusal to comply with a Congressional Subpoena
No Russian Collusion / Author of the Trump Dossier is believed to be a Russian Oligarch Pal of Mueller



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