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Egypt’s navy ‘intercepts arms-laden ship from Israel’

Definition of doublethink: "To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed
 
Donut & Zittohead supports illegal shipment of American donated weapons of war to rebels
Did you have any problems with your beloved Ayatollahs giving weapons to Hezbollah or to the Palestinians or even to the Assad regime? Why don't we just wait and see what is further reported with regard to the incident.

You have no Problem with israel selling American donated weapons of war
What I find amusing, Yoursef Mohammed, is that you and your ilk are so quick to bring up articles from Haaretz, that Left Wing newspaper, when there is a story negative to Israel, but yet none of you thought it worthwhile to bring up this story. You were very quick to blame Israel, and you can see there are conflicting reports. Don't you even have the patience to wait to see what develops. Meanwhile, I am sure Yousef Mohammed must remember that ship from his former country that was stopped and was filled with weapons. No doubt Yousef Mohammed is very happy recently about all that weaponry his former countrymen had smuggled into Gaza. Perhaps in the long run, Yousef Mohammed, you are the one who is a liar.

Conflicting reports as Egypt's navy seizes arms-laden ship in Red Sea - Middle East - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper
 
Egypt releases arms ship that sailed from Eilat | The Times of Israel
Right from the mouth of the jew, a lie, you should wear it, it suits you
So tell us, Yousef Mohammed, do you have a problem with arms being sent to a security company that is fighting off these pirates. Maybe you think the pirates, being Muslims, have a right to do what they are doing and you don't want any country to interfere with this right. And, Yousef, if I were you, I wouldn't be so quick to speak about people lying since you Muslims are given permission to lie to the Infidels. In fact, you were insinuating that Israel was going to get directly involved with helping some African country in their fighting instead of waiting for the true story to emerge. Isn't Yousef such an expert in Taqiyya?
 
Definition of doublethink: "To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed
Definition of Taqiyya

by Clare M. Lopez
The Arabic word Taqiyya means deceit or dissimulation. Unlike the Christian or Jewish religions, Islam not only permits its believers to lie but actually commands it in some circumstances. For the most part, Muslims are not supposed to lie to one another; but, exceptions are made for smoothing over differences between friends (He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar, Bukhari vol. 3:857 p.533.), lying to ones wife, and lying in warfare. (Recall: Muhammad himself said, War is deceit, Bukhari vol. 4:267 and 269)


Lying to non-Muslims, though, is another matter. In fact, Islam permits Muslims to lie anytime they perceive that their own well-being, or that of Islam, is threatened. Taking it a step further, if there is an objective to be achieved that is desirable in Islam, then it is permissible for Muslims to lie in order to achieve that objective. [MORE]
 
The term taqiyya (Arabic: تقیة* taqiyyah/taqīyah) (pronounced as tagiye [tæɢiːje] by speakers of Persian) is derived from the Arabic triliteral root waw-qaf-ya, denoting "piety, devotion, uprightness, and godliness, and it means the brightest star".[6] In Arabic taqiyya literally means caution, but came to be used as a technical term by some jurists meaning dissimulation.[2] Kitman is used synonymously and means concealment.
Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
The term taqiyya (Arabic: تقیة* taqiyyah/taqīyah) (pronounced as tagiye [tæɢiːje] by speakers of Persian) is derived from the Arabic triliteral root waw-qaf-ya, denoting "piety, devotion, uprightness, and godliness, and it means the brightest star".[6] In Arabic taqiyya literally means caution, but came to be used as a technical term by some jurists meaning dissimulation.[2] Kitman is used synonymously and means concealment.
Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Whatever, Yousef Mohommed, but it is obvious that Muslim will practice their Taqiyya on the Infidels in their endeavor to make the entire world follow Islam and a new Caliphate will be formed for the glory of Islam. Tell your Ayatollahs back in Iran that you are striving very hard to make this happen.

Muslims Caught Using Deception - WikiIslam
 
The term taqiyya (Arabic: تقیة* taqiyyah/taqīyah) (pronounced as tagiye [tæɢiːje] by speakers of Persian) is derived from the Arabic triliteral root waw-qaf-ya, denoting "piety, devotion, uprightness, and godliness, and it means the brightest star".[6] In Arabic taqiyya literally means caution, but came to be used as a technical term by some jurists meaning dissimulation.[2] Kitman is used synonymously and means concealment.
Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Having problems understanding your own link?

Taqiyya تقية (alternate spellings taqiyeh,taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah) is a form of religious dissimulation,[1] or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts.
 
Taqiyya تقية (alternate spellings taqiyeh,taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah) is a form of religious dissimulation,[1] or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution.
Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You missed part of the quote out
This does not explain why the Israelis lied and said the weapons did not come from Eilat
 
Taqiyya تقية (alternate spellings taqiyeh,taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah) is a form of religious dissimulation,[1] or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution.
Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You missed part of the quote out


What Jos doing in a nutshell:

Taquiyya

Islam must seem a paradoxical religion to non-Muslims. On the one hand, it is constantly being portrayed as the religion of peace; on the other, its adherents are responsible for the majority of terror attacks around the world. Apologists for Islam emphasize that it is a faith built upon high ethical standards; others stress that it is a religion of the law. Islam's dual notions of truth and falsehood further reveal its paradoxical nature: While the Qur'an is against believers deceiving other believers—for "surely God guides not him who is prodigal and a liar"[1]—deception directed at non-Muslims, generally known in Arabic as taqiyya, also has Qur'anic support and falls within the legal category of things that are permissible for Muslims.

Taqiyya offers two basic uses. The better known revolves around dissembling over one's religious identity when in fear of persecution. Such has been the historical usage of taqiyya among Shi'i communities whenever and wherever their Sunni rivals have outnumbered and thus threatened them. Conversely, Sunni Muslims, far from suffering persecution have, whenever capability allowed, waged jihad against the realm of unbelief; and it is here that they have deployed taqiyya—not as dissimulation but as active deceit. In fact, deceit, which is doctrinally grounded in Islam, is often depicted as being equal—sometimes superior—to other universal military virtues, such as courage, fortitude, or self-sacrifice.
 
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Taqiyya تقية (alternate spellings taqiyeh,taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah) is a form of religious dissimulation,[1] or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution.
Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You missed part of the quote out


What Jos doing in a nutshell:

Taquiyya

Islam must seem a paradoxical religion to non-Muslims. On the one hand, it is constantly being portrayed as the religion of peace; on the other, its adherents are responsible for the majority of terror attacks around the world. Apologists for Islam emphasize that it is a faith built upon high ethical standards; others stress that it is a religion of the law. Islam's dual notions of truth and falsehood further reveal its paradoxical nature: While the Qur'an is against believers deceiving other believers—for "surely God guides not him who is prodigal and a liar"[1]—deception directed at non-Muslims, generally known in Arabic as taqiyya, also has Qur'anic support and falls within the legal category of things that are permissible for Muslims.

Taqiyya offers two basic uses. The better known revolves around dissembling over one's religious identity when in fear of persecution. Such has been the historical usage of taqiyya among Shi'i communities whenever and wherever their Sunni rivals have outnumbered and thus threatened them. Conversely, Sunni Muslims, far from suffering persecution have, whenever capability allowed, waged jihad against the realm of unbelief; and it is here that they have deployed taqiyya—not as dissimulation but as active deceit. In fact, deceit, which is doctrinally grounded in Islam, is often depicted as being equal—sometimes superior—to other universal military virtues, such as courage, fortitude, or self-sacrifice.

i believe JOS' source, wikipedia, to strive for a lack of bias while your source, the mid east orum, and hoss' source, wikiislam are propaganda sources at best and make no such pretense to be unbiased. they clearly have their agenda.
 
Having been born in Iraq and having lived in Iran---- and being part
of a family that has lived in the middle east for thousands of
years and being fluent in arabic and farsi ----roudy is a PRIMARY
SOURCE. any links he provides to bolster his comments---are a
formality IMO. My own opinions are drawn from more than 45
years of very very close interaction with muslims from various
parts of the world and the fact that my husband was born and is
of a community that has lived in the middle east for thousands
of years ----and is part of a community that experienced invasion,
murder, pillage and genocide starting more than 1000
years ago----in fact was one of the first countries to fall to the
"" GLORIOUS AGE OF ISLAMIC CONQUEST, RAPE, PILLAGE,
and GROSS OPPRESSION" That country is still a very shariah
adherent cesspit
 
Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You missed part of the quote out


What Jos doing in a nutshell:

Taquiyya

Islam must seem a paradoxical religion to non-Muslims. On the one hand, it is constantly being portrayed as the religion of peace; on the other, its adherents are responsible for the majority of terror attacks around the world. Apologists for Islam emphasize that it is a faith built upon high ethical standards; others stress that it is a religion of the law. Islam's dual notions of truth and falsehood further reveal its paradoxical nature: While the Qur'an is against believers deceiving other believers—for "surely God guides not him who is prodigal and a liar"[1]—deception directed at non-Muslims, generally known in Arabic as taqiyya, also has Qur'anic support and falls within the legal category of things that are permissible for Muslims.

Taqiyya offers two basic uses. The better known revolves around dissembling over one's religious identity when in fear of persecution. Such has been the historical usage of taqiyya among Shi'i communities whenever and wherever their Sunni rivals have outnumbered and thus threatened them. Conversely, Sunni Muslims, far from suffering persecution have, whenever capability allowed, waged jihad against the realm of unbelief; and it is here that they have deployed taqiyya—not as dissimulation but as active deceit. In fact, deceit, which is doctrinally grounded in Islam, is often depicted as being equal—sometimes superior—to other universal military virtues, such as courage, fortitude, or self-sacrifice.

i believe JOS' source, wikipedia, to strive for a lack of bias while your source, the mid east orum, and hoss' source, wikiislam are propaganda sources at best and make no such pretense to be unbiased. they clearly have their agenda.
And so do you have your agenda and any source used by pro Israel posters you consider propaganda. Who do you think you are fooling? Have you learned how to say Dirty Jewish dog yet in Arabic like you learned how to say it in Farsi? Then you could throw it out to some Jewish poster who understands Arabic the same way you did to an Iranian Jewish poster? As far as Wikipedia is concerned, in an article about it in one major U.S. newspaper, a teacher commented that she doesn't let her students use Wikipedia as a source and that she wants them to use encyclopedia instead which are more trustworthy. You see, Seal, there are ex Muslims who have dropped out of Islam .............
Islamic Lies & Myths - By Ahmed Simon

And, of course, Seal was ready to believe Jos' nonsense about Israel being involved in the country of Togo when all the Israelis were doing is trying to supply some security company in its attempt to fight off the pirates. Meanwhile, no doubt Seal and Jos have no problems with the Iranians smuggling arms to Hamas to kill the Israelis. He and Jos were probably happy to see billboards in Gaza thinking them for the weaponry
 
Israel's government on Friday strenuously denied it had any link to an arms-laden ship that Egypt said its navy seized as it sailed from the Israeli port of Eilat to Togo in West Africa.

"Nobody in Israel knows anything about this ship. It's clear that it did not come from Eilat or any other Israeli port," foreign ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor told AFP.

"We cannot understand why anyone should tell stories which can easily be proved to have no basis in fact."
Israel denies link with arms ship seized by Egypt

A Togolese-flagged ship that carried arms from Israel’s port of Eilat was released by Egypt on Sunday and allowed to continue on its voyage after being detained late last week.
Egypt releases arms ship that sailed from Eilat | The Times of Israel
no basis in fact, eh?:eusa_liar:
 
Israel's government on Friday strenuously denied it had any link to an arms-laden ship that Egypt said its navy seized as it sailed from the Israeli port of Eilat to Togo in West Africa.

"Nobody in Israel knows anything about this ship. It's clear that it did not come from Eilat or any other Israeli port," foreign ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor told AFP.

"We cannot understand why anyone should tell stories which can easily be proved to have no basis in fact."
Israel denies link with arms ship seized by Egypt

A Togolese-flagged ship that carried arms from Israel’s port of Eilat was released by Egypt on Sunday and allowed to continue on its voyage after being detained late last week.
Egypt releases arms ship that sailed from Eilat | The Times of Israel
no basis in fact, eh?:eusa_liar:
So where was you basis in fact that Israel was directly helping the country of Togo? You were so quick to insinuate that, but then not correcting yourself that it was arms for a security company. Say, Yousef Mohammed, speaking of Africa, who is supplying your Muslim brethren in Nigeria who are killing all those Christians? No doubt you weren't happy to see France helping fight those Islamists in Mali.
 
i believe JOS' source, wikipedia, to strive for a lack of bias while your source, the mid east orum, and hoss' source, wikiislam are propaganda sources at best and make no such pretense to be unbiased. they clearly have their agenda.
And so do you have your agenda and any source used by pro Israel posters you consider propaganda. Who do you think you are fooling? Have you learned how to say Dirty Jewish dog yet in Arabic like you learned how to say it in Farsi? Then you could throw it out to some Jewish poster who understands Arabic the same way you did to an Iranian Jewish poster? As far as Wikipedia is concerned, in an article about it in one major U.S. newspaper, a teacher commented that she doesn't let her students use Wikipedia as a source and that she wants them to use encyclopedia instead which are more trustworthy. You see, Seal, there are ex Muslims who have dropped out of Islam .............
Islamic Lies & Myths - By Ahmed Simon

And, of course, Seal was ready to believe Jos' nonsense about Israel being involved in the country of Togo when all the Israelis were doing is trying to supply some security company in its attempt to fight off the pirates. Meanwhile, no doubt Seal and Jos have no problems with the Iranians smuggling arms to Hamas to kill the Israelis. He and Jos were probably happy to see billboards in Gaza thinking them for the weaponry

most of the links posted by the pro-israeli/zionist/jewish posters are either hate sites or propaganda sites. yes, there are ex-muslims who have fallen away from islam...and some of them run or contribute to hate sites and propaganda sites. the reason why jews/zionists have to resort to such biased sites is because in most cases, their position is indefensible. if it were not so, they could easily find a plethora of reliable, neutral sites. LOL...one poster recently tried to prove his position by referring to the movie, "exodus", as a factual reerence.

please do not say things about me that are not true.

also, please do not try to tell others what i do or do not think. have you ever known me to have either any difficulty or any reluctance to express my thoughts at all.

you are right though. while i have some minor problems with HAMAS because i do not particularly like political organisations or governments linked so closely to religious movements, i have no problem whatsoever with them arming themselves in whichever way possible with but a few eceptions. that is one of the reasons they were elected. i do wish it was the USA supplying them as i believe they would be a far better ally than israel has been and that it would favilitate the path to peace.
 
And so do you have your agenda and any source used by pro Israel posters you consider propaganda. Who do you think you are fooling? Have you learned how to say Dirty Jewish dog yet in Arabic like you learned how to say it in Farsi? Then you could throw it out to some Jewish poster who understands Arabic the same way you did to an Iranian Jewish poster? As far as Wikipedia is concerned, in an article about it in one major U.S. newspaper, a teacher commented that she doesn't let her students use Wikipedia as a source and that she wants them to use encyclopedia instead which are more trustworthy. You see, Seal, there are ex Muslims who have dropped out of Islam .............
Islamic Lies & Myths - By Ahmed Simon

And, of course, Seal was ready to believe Jos' nonsense about Israel being involved in the country of Togo when all the Israelis were doing is trying to supply some security company in its attempt to fight off the pirates. Meanwhile, no doubt Seal and Jos have no problems with the Iranians smuggling arms to Hamas to kill the Israelis. He and Jos were probably happy to see billboards in Gaza thinking them for the weaponry

most of the links posted by the pro-israeli/zionist/jewish posters are either hate sites or propaganda sites. yes, there are ex-muslims who have fallen away from islam...and some of them run or contribute to hate sites and propaganda sites. the reason why jews/zionists have to resort to such biased sites is because in most cases, their position is indefensible. if it were not so, they could easily find a plethora of reliable, neutral sites. LOL...one poster recently tried to prove his position by referring to the movie, "exodus", as a factual reerence.

please do not say things about me that are not true.

also, please do not try to tell others what i do or do not think. have you ever known me to have either any difficulty or any reluctance to express my thoughts at all.

you are right though. while i have some minor problems with HAMAS because i do not particularly like political organisations or governments linked so closely to religious movements, i have no problem whatsoever with them arming themselves in whichever way possible with but a few eceptions. that is one of the reasons they were elected. i do wish it was the USA supplying them as i believe they would be a far better ally than israel has been and that it would favilitate the path to peace.

LOL all the links posted by the pro - Palestinians are propaganda sites ..but you already knew that
 
Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You missed part of the quote out


What Jos doing in a nutshell:

Taquiyya

Islam must seem a paradoxical religion to non-Muslims. On the one hand, it is constantly being portrayed as the religion of peace; on the other, its adherents are responsible for the majority of terror attacks around the world. Apologists for Islam emphasize that it is a faith built upon high ethical standards; others stress that it is a religion of the law. Islam's dual notions of truth and falsehood further reveal its paradoxical nature: While the Qur'an is against believers deceiving other believers—for "surely God guides not him who is prodigal and a liar"[1]—deception directed at non-Muslims, generally known in Arabic as taqiyya, also has Qur'anic support and falls within the legal category of things that are permissible for Muslims.

Taqiyya offers two basic uses. The better known revolves around dissembling over one's religious identity when in fear of persecution. Such has been the historical usage of taqiyya among Shi'i communities whenever and wherever their Sunni rivals have outnumbered and thus threatened them. Conversely, Sunni Muslims, far from suffering persecution have, whenever capability allowed, waged jihad against the realm of unbelief; and it is here that they have deployed taqiyya—not as dissimulation but as active deceit. In fact, deceit, which is doctrinally grounded in Islam, is often depicted as being equal—sometimes superior—to other universal military virtues, such as courage, fortitude, or self-sacrifice.

i believe JOS' source, wikipedia, to strive for a lack of bias while your source, the mid east orum, and hoss' source, wikiislam are propaganda sources at best and make no such pretense to be unbiased. they clearly have their agenda.
Wikipedia says the same thing, did you bother reading? Obviously not.

Jewish Ten Commandments: Thou Shalt not lie, steal, bear false witness, murder etc.
Islamic Taqiyya Commandment: Thou can lie and deceive in the name of Islam to the infidel
 
Squeal:

while i have some minor problems with HAMAS...

Let me get this right, you have "minor" problems with a group the US and Western Europe consider terrorist mass murderers, no different than Al Queda? Ha ha ha.
 

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