Egyptian Journalist Describes 'Absolute Prosperity' in Gaza

[CitizenPained]

The number of Arab immigrants in the early part of the century was considered "insignificant" by people who studied population growth. The vast majority of the increase in Arab population was due to natural growth.

Insignificant for Palestinian apologists, maybe.

It was virtually unanimous among the permanent population (including the indigenous Jews) to oppose the creation of a foreign state in Palestine. Israel had no legal standing to declare statehood in Palestine. It was a violation of the Palestinian's rights.

Can you please cite for me where the majority of Palestinian Jews opposed a state? I call bullshit.

The Arabs did not lose their fucking rights. They had no state. They wanted to be swallowed up by other Arab states (ones that practiced anti semitism against Jews). Not many countries in this world haven't been created as a result of war. Where do you live, exactly? Because I live in Colorado - a land that was once home to many Ute tribes. And it belonged to Mexico. Yet...that's not even Israel's position. It does not seek to eliminate any of the Muslim inhabitants (many of whom are also descendants of immigrants...)

I understand you're OK with the extermination of five million more Jews and all, but your backwards reasoning isn't going to work with me. I'm sure you don't mind the couple hundred thousand Jews that were also expelled from Arab states during Israel's wars (an initial creation). So you don't think they deserve statehood. Got it. Is the only Jew you favor a dead one?

There's nothing more to say here.

 

[abu afak]

The number of Arab immigrants in the early part of the century was considered "insignificant" by people who studied population growth. The vast majority of the increase in Arab population was due to natural growth.

It was virtually unanimous among the permanent population (including the indigenous Jews) to oppose the creation of a foreign state in Palestine. Israel had no legal standing to declare statehood in Palestine. It was a violation of the Palestinian's rights.

Bullshit Tinhead!

Arabs Scurried in from all over the neighboring Countries to grab the Jobs the Zionists developed.

The Arab population Increased 2.5x FASTER in the Areas the Jews Settled than in areas they didn't.
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[P F Tinmore]

The number of Arab immigrants in the early part of the century was considered "insignificant" by people who studied population growth. The vast majority of the increase in Arab population was due to natural growth.

Insignificant for Palestinian apologists, maybe.

It was virtually unanimous among the permanent population (including the indigenous Jews) to oppose the creation of a foreign state in Palestine. Israel had no legal standing to declare statehood in Palestine. It was a violation of the Palestinian's rights.

Can you please cite for me where the majority of Palestinian Jews opposed a state? I call bullshit.

The Arabs did not lose their fucking rights. They had no state. They wanted to be swallowed up by other Arab states (ones that practiced anti semitism against Jews). Not many countries in this world haven't been created as a result of war. Where do you live, exactly? Because I live in Colorado - a land that was once home to many Ute tribes. And it belonged to Mexico. Yet...that's not even Israel's position. It does not seek to eliminate any of the Muslim inhabitants (many of whom are also descendants of immigrants...)

I understand you're OK with the extermination of five million more Jews and all, but your backwards reasoning isn't going to work with me. I'm sure you don't mind the couple hundred thousand Jews that were also expelled from Arab states during Israel's wars (an initial creation). So you don't think they deserve statehood. Got it. Is the only Jew you favor a dead one?

There's nothing more to say here.

The inhabitants (sometimes called the indigenous or permanent population) are the only ones who have the right to create a state. Foreigners do not have that right.

You need to read up on your history. The majority of indigenous Jews opposed a Jewish state.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The number of Arab immigrants in the early part of the century was considered "insignificant" by people who studied population growth. The vast majority of the increase in Arab population was due to natural growth.

It was virtually unanimous among the permanent population (including the indigenous Jews) to oppose the creation of a foreign state in Palestine. Israel had no legal standing to declare statehood in Palestine. It was a violation of the Palestinian's rights.

Bullshit Tinhead!

Arabs Scurried in from all over the neighboring Countries to grab the Jobs the Zionists developed.

The Arab population Increased 2.5x FASTER in the Areas the Jews Settled than in areas they didn't.
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And during this mass immigration of Arabs the propagandists talk about, their population decreased from about 93% to about 65%. Good one.

 

[abu afak]

The number of Arab immigrants in the early part of the century was considered "insignificant" by people who studied population growth. The vast majority of the increase in Arab population was due to natural growth.

It was virtually unanimous among the permanent population (including the indigenous Jews) to oppose the creation of a foreign state in Palestine. Israel had no legal standing to declare statehood in Palestine. It was a violation of the Palestinian's rights.

Bullshit Tinhead!

Arabs Scurried in from all over the neighboring Countries to grab the Jobs the Zionists developed.

The Arab population Increased 2.5x FASTER in the Areas the Jews Settled than in areas they didn't.
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And during this mass immigration of Arabs the propagandists talk about, their population decreased from about 93% to about 65%. Good one.

During what Years/Between what dates?
The statement is irrelevant without a year span.
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[CitizenPained]

The inhabitants (sometimes called the indigenous or permanent population) are the only ones who have the right to create a state. Foreigners do not have that right.

Stateless land is developer's keepers.

You need to read up on your history. The majority of indigenous Jews opposed a Jewish state.

Cite it...since they were the ones helping Jewish immigrants and all. And Zionism existed before modern Israel. God, early Zionists were Socialists. Israel was a land of communes, kibbutzim, and comdrades. Who do you think built the roads, the hospitals, the schools, the universities?

Why do you think Israel won its independence?! It had a government. An army. An air force. Infrastructure. Rule.

Terrorist sympathizers sure do crack me up.

 

[abu afak]

The inhabitants (sometimes called the indigenous or permanent population) are the only ones who have the right to create a state. Foreigners do not have that right.

You need to read up on your history. The majority of indigenous Jews opposed a Jewish state.

You need to Cite some real history instead of Yourself Tinhead.

We see NOTHING but unbacked claims.

String time for me. Thanks.
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[P F Tinmore]

Bullshit Tinhead!

Arabs Scurried in from all over the neighboring Countries to grab the Jobs the Zionists developed.

The Arab population Increased 2.5x FASTER in the Areas the Jews Settled than in areas they didn't.
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And during this mass immigration of Arabs the propagandists talk about, their population decreased from about 93% to about 65%. Good one.

During what Years/Between what dates?
The statement is irrelevant without a year span.
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At the turn of the century the Arab population was about 93%. By 1947 it was about 65%.

 

[georgephillip]

Ah, the electronic intifada at work. Comparing casualty rates is for bumper sticker politics.

Depending upon whose children are being routinely shot in the head:

"A 2009 article in the UK Telegraph entitled 'Bullets in the brain, shrapnel in the spine: the terrible injuries suffered by children of Gaza,” investigated a situation in which doctors at a hospital near Gaza were 'almost overwhelmed by the number of Palestinian children needing treatment for bullet wounds to their heads.”/2/

"The article began: 'On just one day last week staff at the El-Arish hospital in Sinai were called to perform sophisticated CAT brain scans on a nine-year-old, two 10-year-olds and a 14-year-old – each of whom had a bullet still lodged in their brain, after coming under fire during the Israeli ground assault on Gaza.'

"Asked about the nature of these shootings, a physician replied:

“'I can't precisely decide whether these children are being shot at as a target, but in some cases the bullet comes from the front of the head and goes towards the back, so I think the gun has been directly pointed at the child.'"

"Israeli soldiers in a group called 'Breaking the Silence' have provided chilling testimonies about Israeli military culture; the titles alone tell a great deal. Following are a few...:"

Bullets in the brain; shrapnel in the spine.
Sounds like a bumper sticker from Fox News.
Or Goldman Sachs.

Alison Weir: Shot in the Head

 

[alexa]

All life is sacred, but this is not an even playing game here. Comparing Israelis outside of the 'Green line' to kids with bombs on their chests is not appropriate...that kind of talk goes a little further than some mindless terrorist propaganda.

I can see how uneducated, ignorant, desperate teenagers in the WB would say something like that, but here? Come on. Could the Jew hatred in this thread be any thicker?

I am sure somewhere you have a rationale for your beliefs and I hope you will say what it is because as I see it, what you have said above is a contradiction. If you believe ALL life is sacred then how on earth can the killing of innocents not be wrong wherever it takes place. Lost, totally lost. Here is a link to the Guardian's obituary of one of the UK's sons shot in the head trying to rescue innocent terrified children in Gaza.

Obituary: Tom Hurndall | World news | The Guardian

I don't read the Guardian or the Independent when it comes to Israel. I've seen them mis report dozens of times in the last year alone...calling Gilo part of 'East J'lem', fucking up the reporting on the so-called 'attack' on a Red Cross truck, citing Syrian casualties in border clashes as undisputed fact, etc.

well you have your right to your opinion. My experience of the guardian is that on facts it is one of the most accurate news sources.

However this case is known all around the world and certainly was covered considerably by all news in the UK. The Shooting of Thomas Hurndall - Channel 4

Depending on where you live you may not be able to see that so here is a trailer on youtube

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmCyNEEAH_w&feature=related]YouTube - ‪the shooting of thomas hurndall trailer‬‏[/ame]

Ordinary footage

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NKPcB_fmoM&NR=1]YouTube - ‪Tom Hurndall Murdered by IDF‬‏[/ame]

I am not sure to what extent the UK government itself went after justice but as you see Tom had parents who were not going to let the killing of their son go free.

After Israel had given all the usual no blame and so on and family refused to step down, eventually a Bedouin soldier was tried. His given reason for shooting Tom was that it was orders. I have not studied the case in full but if his action was on orders I would think possibly the wrong man got the prison sentence, 8 years reduced to 6 which Tom's family thought was far to little for his murder.

I understand he was able to see Tom and must have seen he was unarmed and trying to save the child. Children were being exposed to live ammunition and there was nothing life threatening going on.

I haven't replied to the rest of your reply because at this point I do not see the relevance but I would like to thank you for replying in a thoughtful way.

Israel has a responsibility to take care of life. In this case because the man was from Britain and his parents were educated and would not give up they got some kind of justice and they also showed to the world what Palestinians suffer.

Israel kills a lot of innocents and Israel kills a lot of innocents which could be prevented. If we go to suicide bombings. Of course they are awful. They kill the young person who does them and they arbitrarily kill civilians. They are useless as a way of stating their position as they only make civilians move more away from them and according to 'Gaza Mum' they caused havoc to the Palestinian community, causing children to develop screwed morals and even making them impossible to control as they would threaten to be a suicide bomber if they were angry with their parents!.....However an EU study discovered that the fundamental motivation behind a suicide bomber was that they had lost close friends and/or family at the hands of the Israelis. I heard an Israeli who claimed to have interrogated ones that survived as saying that that was what she thought was the prime motivation as well.

We hear all the time about terrorism from the Palestinians but the hard truth of the matter is that more innocent civilians and especially children are killed by Israel - whether it is in the kind of incident where Tom died, or out fishing or simply trying to earn a living in their fields. Now I take what you said at face value. You do not like the needless killing of people. There is a need I think for the citizens of Israel to make this more firmly known to those in charge.

 

[daveman]

Palestine has no military. All Palestinians are civilians.

Good point. Per the Geneva Conventions, then, they're illegal combatants. Israel has no obligations to them when they're captured, and the IDF is within their rights to just shoot them in the head.

I'll bet that's not what you wanted to hear, but it's true.

It is equally tragic to read of nine-year-old Akaber, killed by Israeli gunfire to her head while riding in her uncle’s car to get medical stitches removed, and of the 29 other nine-year-olds killed by Israeli forces in the past decade, eight of them by Israeli gunfire to the head."

Truth hired killers don't want to hear.

Alison Weir: Shot in the Head

Leftist sources lie.

 

[P F Tinmore]

If we go to suicide bombings. Of course they are awful.

The Palestinians stopped suicide bombing 5-6 years ago but the propagandists keep throwing it up.

However, Israel continues to shoot farmers, fishermen, women, and children.

 

[daveman]

If we go to suicide bombings. Of course they are awful.

The Palestinians stopped suicide bombing 5-6 years ago but the propagandists keep throwing it up.

However, Israel continues to shoot farmers, fishermen, women, and children.

The splodeydopes stopped in 2008. You can't even get that right.

 

[P F Tinmore]

If we go to suicide bombings. Of course they are awful.

The Palestinians stopped suicide bombing 5-6 years ago but the propagandists keep throwing it up.

However, Israel continues to shoot farmers, fishermen, women, and children.

The splodeydopes stopped in 2008. You can't even get that right.

By 2008 they dropped down to only two and one was an attack on a military target. That was a legitimate target.

 

[Moonglow]

The inhabitants (sometimes called the indigenous or permanent population) are the only ones who have the right to create a state. Foreigners do not have that right.

Stateless land is developer's keepers.

You need to read up on your history. The majority of indigenous Jews opposed a Jewish state.

Cite it...since they were the ones helping Jewish immigrants and all. And Zionism existed before modern Israel. God, early Zionists were Socialists. Israel was a land of communes, kibbutzim, and comdrades. Who do you think built the roads, the hospitals, the schools, the universities?

Why do you think Israel won its independence?! It had a government. An army. An air force. Infrastructure. Rule.

Terrorist sympathizers sure do crack me up.

The Jews I am sure were most shocked when they became a nation again without their messiah.

 

[daveman]

The Palestinians stopped suicide bombing 5-6 years ago but the propagandists keep throwing it up.

However, Israel continues to shoot farmers, fishermen, women, and children.

The splodeydopes stopped in 2008. You can't even get that right.

By 2008 they dropped down to only two and one was an attack on a military target. That was a legitimate target.

You said:

The Palestinians stopped suicide bombing 5-6 years ago...​

And that was wrong. The only question is, did you make a mistake, or did you lie?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The inhabitants (sometimes called the indigenous or permanent population) are the only ones who have the right to create a state. Foreigners do not have that right.

You need to read up on your history. The majority of indigenous Jews opposed a Jewish state.

You need to Cite some real history instead of Yourself Tinhead.

We see NOTHING but unbacked claims.

String time for me. Thanks.
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In the early history of Zionism many traditional religious Jews opposed ideas of nationalism (Jewish or otherwise) which they regarded as a secular ideology and because of an inherent suspicion of change.

Anti-Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enTbBx622-8]YouTube - ‪85 sleepless Gaza Jerusalem.divx‬‏[/ame]

 

[georgephillip]

Good point. Per the Geneva Conventions, then, they're illegal combatants. Israel has no obligations to them when they're captured, and the IDF is within their rights to just shoot them in the head.

I'll bet that's not what you wanted to hear, but it's true.

It is equally tragic to read of nine-year-old Akaber, killed by Israeli gunfire to her head while riding in her uncle’s car to get medical stitches removed, and of the 29 other nine-year-olds killed by Israeli forces in the past decade, eight of them by Israeli gunfire to the head."

Truth hired killers don't want to hear.

Alison Weir: Shot in the Head

Leftist sources lie.

Is Alison Weir lying about Tom Hurndall?

"Another person shot in the head by Israeli forces was 21-year-old Tom Hurndall. The anniversary of his death is this week.

"Hurndall, a student and photographer, had wanted to 'make a difference' with his life. In 2003 he went to Gaza to join the nonviolence movement against Israeli aggression and to photograph what he saw. /4/

"On April 11th he was nearby when a group of children who had been playing suddenly came under Israeli rifle fire. Most of the children fled, but three, aged four to seven, froze with fear. Hurndall dashed over, rushed one small boy to safety and returned for two little girls. Just as he was reaching to lift one up, an Israeli sniper shot him in the head.

"Despite the urgency of his injury, Israeli officials delayed his transport to specialized medical care for over two and a half hours. A British television crew in the area filmed a powerful on-the-scene report that was aired on England’s Channel 4 /5/ but has never, to my knowledge, been shown on American television.

"Tom remained in a vegetative state for nine months, finally dying on Jan. 13t, 2004."

Alison Weir: Shot in the Head

 

[ForeverYoung436]

And during this mass immigration of Arabs the propagandists talk about, their population decreased from about 93% to about 65%. Good one.

During what Years/Between what dates?
The statement is irrelevant without a year span.
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At the turn of the century the Arab population was about 93%. By 1947 it was about 65%.

Arabs only stated migrating to Israel in the late 1800's. In the early part of the 1800's the land was empty as Mark Twain, a Gentile author, reported.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

If we go to suicide bombings. Of course they are awful.

The Palestinians stopped suicide bombing 5-6 years ago but the propagandists keep throwing it up.

However, Israel continues to shoot farmers, fishermen, women, and children.

Poor Palestinian blue-collar workers being killed is Arab propaganda. Your source is the "Palestine Information Center". Palestinians are pathological liars.