Electoral College Revisions

[Rustic]

If it weren't so clear that one party is abusing the system, nobody would care. First Bush jr now Trump, but Trump lost the popular vote by a landslide 4 million votes thats never happened before

Popular vote isn't what decides the Presidential election. Never has been.

other than Trump and Bush jr all elections have been decided by the popular vote since 1880

 

[Rustic]

other than Trump and Bush jr all elections have been decided by the popular vote since 1880

No. Electoral Vote has been the deciding factor in EVERY American Presidential Election ever held. The only difference in 2000 and 2016, from all the other years is that the Popular Vote didn't go the same way as the Electoral Vote in those years.

Those two exceptions didn't make anything any better.

 

[easyt65]

What makes you think it needs any changes? We don't want mob rule by petunia's in California and New York.

Who's we? From what I've seen of your posting, if there is such a thing as the mob, you're part of it.

No, the group he belongs to would be those in favor of the existing Electoral College established in the constitution, not the bitter, sore loser, but-hurt snowflake demographic.

 

[ptbw forever]

1) The 23 rd Amendment is Repealed
2) The President Vote is to conducted in the several States using only hand marked paper ballots.
3) Only previously registered to vote US Citizens never convicted of a Felony will be permitted to vote. Voting to take place only at election day polling places on election day except for absentee mail-in ballots allowed to USA Military members serving overseas on election day. Voters must show picture ID at the polling place.
4) All vote counting to be done publicly and audio/visually recorded. Destruction of such records prior to five years after election day will be considered a felony federal crime and punished as congress may direct. Three non-partisan US Citizen Federally paid poll watchers to be assigned to every voting precinct at least two of whom must not be a precinct resident and one the resident of another State. Interference with their Duties will be considered a felony federal crime and punished as congress may direct.
5) Candidates for the Presidency must demonstrate status as a Natural Born Citizen before being placed on any State ballot.. NBC for this purpose is defined as BOTH of the candidate's parents being USA Citizens (without any dual citizenship) at the time of the candidate's birth and the birth taking place within the borders of one of the several States.
6) Electoral Votes to be apportioned as follows-

a) one(1) EV for each US House District.Awarded to winner of largest number of Presidential votes cast in the district. TOTAL 435. Elector to be chosen by Lot from US Citizens over age 30 in each House District.

b) two(2) EV for each State. Awarded to winner of the largest number of votes cast among a joint session of all houses of the State's legislature (excluding any legislator not a US Citizen) plus the State's Governor. TOTAL 100. Electors to be chosen by Lot from those voting

c) One hundred(100) EV from the USA at large to awarded one(1) EV for each full percent of the popular vote received nationwide by each candidate. Otherwise unawarded fractional EV's to go to the candidate with the most votes received. TOTAL 100. Electors to be chosen by Lot from US Citizens over age 30 currently residing in the several States of the USA.

GRAND TOTAL 635 EV. 318 EV required to elect a President. After the first vote round Electors for all candidates except the top two vote recipients are unbound for the second vote in which they must shift to one of the top two.

7) EV's must be cast per the will of the voter's in each particular case. Elector's to have a special status to raise questions regarding acts of fraud or malfeasance in the Presidential Election Upon petition by 50 or more Electors the US House is bound to appoint a special prosecutor.

I love civics fan fiction....

 

[Anathema]

Those two exceptions didn't make anything any better.

So, why do they make it worse? Is it because we no longer properly instruct our kids,on the Electoral College and why it exists or is,it out current "everyone gets a trophy" mentality that causes this,issue?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Those two exceptions didn't make anything any better.

So, why do they make it worse? Is it because we no longer properly instruct our kids,on the Electoral College and why it exists or is,it out current "everyone gets a trophy" mentality that causes this,issue?

Why does the popular vote make it worse? Was there some greater good achieved from Bush instead of Gore, Trump instead Clinton, being elected?

 

[NYcarbineer]

RW'ers don't want mob rule, but they define the mob as liberals.

lolol

 

[rahtruelies]

You're simply trying to make sure 5 or 6 cities determine the outcome of the election for the entire country. This is exactly what the current system is designed to stop.

You are 180 degrees wrong

 

[rahtruelies]

If it weren't so clear that one party is abusing the system, nobody would care. First Bush jr now Trump, but Trump lost the popular vote by a landslide 4 million votes thats never happened before

Only when you don't subtract hrc.s 5 million non-citizen and other fraudulent 'votes'. Not that the popular vote was ever a criteria anyway. I gotta wonder why you even wanna count those Cali votes (hrc's margin there exceeds her national margin aka Trump won the rest of the Nation) now that Cali is talking secession.

 

[Anathema]

Why does the popular vote make it worse?

Look at the system the Founders set up. Especially who was allowed to vote and how US Senators were originally chosen. Does that seem to you like a system where Popularity was preferred to Propriety?..... I certainly don't believe so.

Was there some greater good achieved from Bush instead of Gore, Trump instead Clinton, being elected?

In the case of Bush/Gore I definitely believe there was a greater good achieved. Only time will tell with Trump/Clinton, but I certainly hope/believe so.

 

[Preacher]

1) The 23 rd Amendment is Repealed
2) The President Vote is to conducted in the several States using only hand marked paper ballots.
3) Only previously registered to vote US Citizens never convicted of a Felony will be permitted to vote. Voting to take place only at election day polling places on election day except for absentee mail-in ballots allowed to USA Military members serving overseas on election day. Voters must show picture ID at the polling place.
4) All vote counting to be done publicly and audio/visually recorded. Destruction of such records prior to five years after election day will be considered a felony federal crime and punished as congress may direct. Three non-partisan US Citizen Federally paid poll watchers to be assigned to every voting precinct at least two of whom must not be a precinct resident and one the resident of another State. Interference with their Duties will be considered a felony federal crime and punished as congress may direct.
5) Candidates for the Presidency must demonstrate status as a Natural Born Citizen before being placed on any State ballot.. NBC for this purpose is defined as BOTH of the candidate's parents being USA Citizens (without any dual citizenship) at the time of the candidate's birth and the birth taking place within the borders of one of the several States.
6) Electoral Votes to be apportioned as follows-

a) one(1) EV for each US House District.Awarded to winner of largest number of Presidential votes cast in the district. TOTAL 435. Elector to be chosen by Lot from US Citizens over age 30 in each House District.

b) two(2) EV for each State. Awarded to winner of the largest number of votes cast among a joint session of all houses of the State's legislature (excluding any legislator not a US Citizen) plus the State's Governor. TOTAL 100. Electors to be chosen by Lot from those voting

c) One hundred(100) EV from the USA at large to awarded one(1) EV for each full percent of the popular vote received nationwide by each candidate. Otherwise unawarded fractional EV's to go to the candidate with the most votes received. TOTAL 100. Electors to be chosen by Lot from US Citizens over age 30 currently residing in the several States of the USA.

GRAND TOTAL 635 EV. 318 EV required to elect a President. After the first vote round Electors for all candidates except the top two vote recipients are unbound for the second vote in which they must shift to one of the top two.

7) EV's must be cast per the will of the voter's in each particular case. Elector's to have a special status to raise questions regarding acts of fraud or malfeasance in the Presidential Election Upon petition by 50 or more Electors the US House is bound to appoint a special prosecutor.

Felons can't vote. Well there goes the vast majority of the lefts black and latino voters.

 

[kaz]

If it weren't so clear that one party is abusing the system, nobody would care. First Bush jr now Trump, but Trump lost the popular vote by a landslide 4 million votes thats never happened before

Actually it was under 3 million and there have been two times when the loser got a higher margin over the winner than Hillary did.

What is the relevance though since no one was running for the popular vote? Are you saying campaigning is irrelevant and Hillary is stupid for wasting her time on it?

 

[Preacher]

You're simply trying to make sure 5 or 6 cities determine the outcome of the election for the entire country. This is exactly what the current system is designed to stop.

You are assuming lefties understand these things...they don't. Its common sense....something the left doesn't grasp. Its nice to live in fantasy land but fortunately for us our founders weren't fantasy thinkers but COMMON SENSE thinkers.

 

[rahtruelies]

Those two exceptions didn't make anything any better.

So, why do they make it worse? Is it because we no longer properly instruct our kids,on the Electoral College and why it exists or is,it out current "everyone gets a trophy" mentality that causes this,issue?

Why does the popular vote make it worse? Was there some greater good achieved from Bush instead of Gore, Trump instead Clinton, being elected?

Bush over Gore not much difference. BUT in the case of hrc- that diseased demented sow aside from being a career grifter /rent seeker and rape enabler is a distinct danger to the future of civilisation if allowed to plant her fat ass in the WH.

 

[rahtruelies]

If it weren't so clear that one party is abusing the system, nobody would care. First Bush jr now Trump, but Trump lost the popular vote by a landslide 4 million votes thats never happened before

Popular vote isn't what decides the Presidential election. Never has been.

other than Trump and Bush jr all elections have been decided by the popular vote since 1880

Sorry sport but ALL of those elections were decided by the Electoral Vote. Popular vote had no influence.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If it weren't so clear that one party is abusing the system, nobody would care. First Bush jr now Trump, but Trump lost the popular vote by a landslide 4 million votes thats never happened before

Now it is 4 million is it? Perhaps you should check your figures she had 3 million and about that many illegals voted. Outside of California Trump won by over a million votes so no thanks we don't want our President selected by California.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If it weren't so clear that one party is abusing the system, nobody would care. First Bush jr now Trump, but Trump lost the popular vote by a landslide 4 million votes thats never happened before

Popular vote isn't what decides the Presidential election. Never has been.

other than Trump and Bush jr all elections have been decided by the popular vote since 1880

No they haven't they were all decided by the electoral college.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If it weren't so clear that one party is abusing the system, nobody would care. First Bush jr now Trump, but Trump lost the popular vote by a landslide 4 million votes thats never happened before

Popular vote isn't what decides the Presidential election. Never has been.

other than Trump and Bush jr all elections have been decided by the popular vote since 1880

No they haven't they were all decided by the electoral college.

Quit being an imbecile. In almost all presidential elections, the popular vote winner has won the electoral college.

Therefore, the system does not do anything except occasionally screw up the proper outcome.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If it weren't so clear that one party is abusing the system, nobody would care. First Bush jr now Trump, but Trump lost the popular vote by a landslide 4 million votes thats never happened before

Popular vote isn't what decides the Presidential election. Never has been.

other than Trump and Bush jr all elections have been decided by the popular vote since 1880

No they haven't they were all decided by the electoral college.

Quit being an imbecile. In almost all presidential elections, the popular vote winner has won the electoral college.

Therefore, the system does not do anything except occasionally screw up the proper outcome.

The popular vote HAS NEVER been what elects a President. It has ALWAYS been the electoral College, just because you don't like that does not change the facts.

 

[rahtruelies]

If it weren't so clear that one party is abusing the system, nobody would care. First Bush jr now Trump, but Trump lost the popular vote by a landslide 4 million votes thats never happened before

Popular vote isn't what decides the Presidential election. Never has been.

other than Trump and Bush jr all elections have been decided by the popular vote since 1880

No they haven't they were all decided by the electoral college.

Quit being an imbecile. In almost all presidential elections, the popular vote winner has won the electoral college.

Therefore, the system does not do anything except occasionally screw up the proper outcome.

The proper outcome HAS occurred. GET IT THRU YOUR EMPTY SKULL- the USA wide 'popular' vote has no roll in Presidential elections.

Not that hrc had an honest pv win in any case.