Eliminate Minimum Wage

[Cecilie1200]

Ever since the liberals invented minimum wage laws the welfare leeches that couldn't get a free ride from the tax payers have depended on minimum wage laws. This makes the government force employers to overpay the lazy workers who would be sitting at home if they could. Instead of more of Obama's socialism by raising the minimum wage we should eliminate the minimum wage all together. This would bring prices down and let higher wage earners be able to afford a better lifestyle. It would raise profits and best of all it would motivate the lazy welfare leeches to go find better jobs that pay more if they want to survive. The liberals will boo hoo and cry for the poor but that is because most of them are the bums that are to lazy to go find a decent job and want to live off the hard working conservatives.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/b...income-distribution.html?partner=yahoofinance

Then who will do the lowest wage jobs that you rely on? Who will serve you at the supermarket, or at the gas station? You won't have any fast food, either, because no one will be paid enough to work there.

Have fun with that.

The young, just-starting-out-in-the-workforce people who were SUPPOSED to be doing them originally.

 

[Cecilie1200]

CaGOPatriot (Craig)..You have missed the whole point of minimum wage...Employers want to pay small amounts to unskilled workers, but what they are against is the regulation of this amount...Getting rid of minimum wage (low wages) would not mean that employers would give more money to you...only that the unskilled would get less than they do now...Your version sounds more like the union line: "Pay everyone a higher wage.".....Employers are overpaying people who work at minimum wage? How is that? The wage barely meets subsistence.

Actually prices would go up if the minimum wage workers were to suddenly disappear...Low-wage labor keeps prices down. Think Mc Donald's and its cheaply paid staff..If McD had to pay more, a hamburger would cost more...

It would raise profits to eliminate minimum wage (you state) How is that when a company would now have to pay the higher wage to everyone (your wage)( as minimum wage workers no longer exist) reducing profit?....Craig..Craig..Craig...You have not studied economics...This is not a liberal issue...Corporations would not be for your plan...Under your theories, companies can pay or not pay whatever they want...

You are wrongly assuming that people will work for nothing? The reason some of my post may not make sense is that I am trying to respond to opposite statements you made:
1. Remove minimum wage so you can get more money.
2. You are assuming that people will work for nothing...untrue
3. You are assuming that employers want to get rid of low wage workers, because they are lazy...
4. If workers get paid less than the current minimum wage, they may not work at all. How will this help the workers, you, or the employer? NIKA

The minimum wage workers only work because they can't get welfare and are to stupid to deal drugs. They are paid far more than their skill level makes them worth. Wal Mart workers are perfect examples. Prices at Wal Mart would be cheaper if their workers were paid according to their skill level. It is the same with all minimum wage jobs. You liberals are fools and don't understand basic business economics.

Walmart is already cheap, it doesn't need to be any cheaper.

It doesn't? Why not? Are you saying there's some sort of price level below which it's shameful for a shopper to want to pay? If so, what is it, and why?

I earn $16.75 an hour at McDonalds. I bet you hate the fact that I earn a decent wage, you probably think I deserve nothing more than a dollar an hour.

You're a moron.

Sweet cheeks, while you're erroneously calling OTHER people morons, you might want to pair your mindless comparison of US wages with your "decent" Australian wage with a comparison of the two countries' costs of living.

OF COURSE the wages our McDonald's pay seem egregiously low to YOU . . . because your piece of shit country has consumer prices that average 57.21% higher than ours, rent prices that average 83.97% higher than ours, and a local purchasing power that averages 25.27% lower than ours . . . much of it, no doubt, due to your meddling Nanny government setting such insane wage levels for no apparent reason.

I'm sure you consider this pointless inflation to be a wonderful thing, but I'll be damned if I can figure out why. You haven't really accomplished a damned thing except the ability to prattle utterly without context about the dollar amount you're getting for running a cash register that I could train a chimp to handle.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The minimum wage workers only work because they can't get welfare and are to stupid to deal drugs. They are paid far more than their skill level makes them worth. Wal Mart workers are perfect examples. Prices at Wal Mart would be cheaper if their workers were paid according to their skill level. It is the same with all minimum wage jobs. You liberals are fools and don't understand basic business economics.

Walmart is already cheap, it doesn't need to be any cheaper.

I earn $16.75 an hour at McDonalds. I bet you hate the fact that I earn a decent wage, you probably think I deserve nothing more than a dollar an hour.

You're a moron.

You must work at the corporate office if not you are greatly over paid.

No, she isn't really, because you have to consider the fact that, with Australia's pathetic and laughable cost of living, her vaunted $16.75 an hour actually buys her LESS than the $8 an hour or so that is the national average wage of a fast food worker in the United States.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Actually, I get just above minimum wage, and the hourly rate is average for a casual employee. Don't forget that items over here are more expensive, therefore we are paid more.

If Aussie's were expected to work for $7 an hour, we'd tell you to go and shove it.
We are worth more than that.

Out of curiosity, what profession are you in?

A person who serves food for a living is hardly worth $7 per hour no matter what country he works in.

I don't just serve food. I do a lot of things, and I am worth every cent of that $16 I get paid an hour - and the yearly pay rise we all get.

$620 for a full time worker - 38 hours a week. How many hours at McDonalds would you have to work to get that much?

We have it good over here, lol.

Again, what is your profession?

Insofar as your country's ridiculous joke of an economy renders your $16.75 an hour equivalent to just BELOW the United States' average minimum wage in terms of purchasing power, I don't doubt that you ARE, indeed, worth every penny of $1 an hour less than my 17-year-old can make.

You remind me of a halfwit I used to know who moved to Tucson from New York City, and was at first heard to bewail how much lower wages are here than they were "back home" . . . until he realized that those "much lower" wages allowed him to live in a spacious home with a large yard all by himself, whereas "back home" he was forced to share a cramped apartment with two other people.

It ain't the dollars that count, sweetie; it's how much they buy that matters.

 

[Cecilie1200]

A person who serves food for a living is hardly worth $7 per hour no matter what country he works in.

I don't just serve food. I do a lot of things, and I am worth every cent of that $16 I get paid an hour - and the yearly pay rise we all get.

$620 for a full time worker - 38 hours a week. How many hours at McDonalds would you have to work to get that much?

We have it good over here, lol.

Again, what is your profession?

I am a retired Republican and you are not an American and have no reason to be on this message board. Lying about the wages in your country don't prove anything either.

Geez, doofus, do some research. She's not lying about her country's wage. It's just that she AND you are both too stupid to investigate what it actually MEANS.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I will say this again; you have to be one of the most stupid people in this forum. Minimum wage workers may not be able to get better jobs, but I guarantee you they work their asses off for that minimum wage and likely get very little if any benefits. They sure as Hell are not lazy, and they sure as Hell deserve every penny they earn. Calling a minimum wage worker lazy and a leech just shows how stupid you truly are. I almost feel sorry for you.

Hard working people can get better than minimum wage jobs you liberals don't know much about human nature.

Can someone who never finished high school get a job as a brain surgeon?

No, but why the hell would anyone try to get through life in a first-tier nation without finishing high school, anyway? It's not like you have to pay for it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I earn $16.75 an hour at McDonalds. I bet you hate the fact that I earn a decent wage, you probably think I deserve nothing more than a dollar an hour.

Your bragging that you earn $16.75 an hour at McDonalds, Hell Walmart workers in some Nouth Dakota stores make more.
A Boomtown Is Born in North Dakota - WSJ.com

Since that last post, my wages have risen. I now earn around $18.25 per hour.

Must suck, eh?

I would imagine it does, since you STILL have almost 25% less purchasing power than an American doing the exact same job here.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Since that last post, my wages have risen. I now earn around $18.25 per hour.

Must suck, eh?

Being stuck in a dead end job at McDonald's? Yeah, that sucks all right.

I meant the pay. It must make you angry that I work in fast food and get better pay than most Yanks.

No, it makes me laugh because you genuinely believe the mistaken idea that you get better pay than Americans do. That must be some brainwashing, indoctrination, and dumbing-down program your government lays on you fools.

 

[Cecilie1200]

A subsity is any monies that the Government gives you. Your personal deduction is a subsidy.

Letting you keep your own money is not a subsidy.

But the way of keeping your own money is.

Nope. The phrase "your own money" automatically negates any possibility of it being a subsidy BY YOUR OWN DEFINITION.

Must suck to be hoist to your own petard.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Since that last post, my wages have risen. I now earn around $18.25 per hour.

Must suck, eh?

Being stuck in a dead end job at McDonald's? Yeah, that sucks all right.

Being stuck in North Dakota is a dead end life.

Spoken like a true elitist leftist . . . not that we mind, because we like being able to use shitholes like NY and CA as idiot reservations to store you in.

 

[Supposn]

but sir your forgetting about something.....what about no jobs? = no money. its hilarious the way the left talks and thinks..

Bear513, you inadvertently missed and/or chose not to read and/or do not agree and/or with my posts.

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Excerpted from post #154:
Those who would pretend to create jobs for teen agers by eliminating the minimum wage would reduce the lifetime incomes of the very people they claim to be helping.
More or less but certainly the federal minimum wage is of benefit to all employees. It is extremely significant beneficial to no less than the lowest earning fifth of our nation’s full time employees.
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Excerpted from post #295:
… refer to “Fact Sheet #32: Youth Minimum Wage - Fair Labor Standards Act”,
http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs32.pdf

I wasn’t aware that since September 1997, there’s been a sub-minimal wage of $4.25/Hr. for youth
An enterprise is permitted to pay a youth at a regular rate no less than $4.25/Hr. for 90 commencing the first day the youth begins working for the enterprise or a related enterprise or the employee attains the age of 20 years, or the employment is contrary to the state’s laws or the hiring is cause for displacing another employee.
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For another viewpoint regarding the federal minimum wage laws, refer to the thread entitled Consequences of repealing minimum wage rates .

You seem to share the same attribute of liberals and all us other persons who have less than perfect recall or choose to ignore and/or discount all opinions that are contrary to those of our own.

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[lynn63]

States would not be addressing whether to raise the minimum wage if teenagers were employed in those jobs. The recession has forced many older people to take those jobs. Obamacare for it to work the way it was intended must raise the minimum wage so those people don't end up on Medicaid.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The minimum wage workers only work because they can't get welfare and are to stupid to deal drugs. They are paid far more than their skill level makes them worth. Wal Mart workers are perfect examples. Prices at Wal Mart would be cheaper if their workers were paid according to their skill level. It is the same with all minimum wage jobs. You liberals are fools and don't understand basic business economics.

Walmart is already cheap, it doesn't need to be any cheaper.

It doesn't? Why not? Are you saying there's some sort of price level below which it's shameful for a shopper to want to pay? If so, what is it, and why?

I earn $16.75 an hour at McDonalds. I bet you hate the fact that I earn a decent wage, you probably think I deserve nothing more than a dollar an hour.

You're a moron.

Sweet cheeks, while you're erroneously calling OTHER people morons, you might want to pair your mindless comparison of US wages with your "decent" Australian wage with a comparison of the two countries' costs of living.

OF COURSE the wages our McDonald's pay seem egregiously low to YOU . . . because your piece of shit country has consumer prices that average 57.21% higher than ours, rent prices that average 83.97% higher than ours, and a local purchasing power that averages 25.27% lower than ours . . . much of it, no doubt, due to your meddling Nanny government setting such insane wage levels for no apparent reason.

I'm sure you consider this pointless inflation to be a wonderful thing, but I'll be damned if I can figure out why. You haven't really accomplished a damned thing except the ability to prattle utterly without context about the dollar amount you're getting for running a cash register that I could train a chimp to handle.

What people like "Little Kiwi" do not understand is when wages are artificially inflated, the cost of living is accordingly skewed higher.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Being stuck in a dead end job at McDonald's? Yeah, that sucks all right.

I meant the pay. It must make you angry that I work in fast food and get better pay than most Yanks.

No, it makes me laugh because you genuinely believe the mistaken idea that you get better pay than Americans do. That must be some brainwashing, indoctrination, and dumbing-down program your government lays on you fools.

You are arguing with a woman who thinks Mc Donalds is a CAREER...

 

[Cecilie1200]

I meant the pay. It must make you angry that I work in fast food and get better pay than most Yanks.

No, it makes me laugh because you genuinely believe the mistaken idea that you get better pay than Americans do. That must be some brainwashing, indoctrination, and dumbing-down program your government lays on you fools.

You are arguing with a woman who thinks Mc Donalds is a CAREER...

It is . . . if you're the fucking MANAGER. If you're running the cash register or the Fry-O-Lator, it's just pathetic.

 

[Wyatt earp]

but sir your forgetting about something.....what about no jobs? = no money. its hilarious the way the left talks and thinks..

Bear513, you inadvertently missed and/or chose not to read and/or do not agree and/or with my posts.

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Excerpted from post #154:
Those who would pretend to create jobs for teen agers by eliminating the minimum wage would reduce the lifetime incomes of the very people they claim to be helping.
More or less but certainly the federal minimum wage is of benefit to all employees. It is extremely significant beneficial to no less than the lowest earning fifth of our nation’s full time employees.
///////////////////////////////////
Excerpted from post #295:
… refer to “Fact Sheet #32: Youth Minimum Wage - Fair Labor Standards Act”,
http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs32.pdf

I wasn’t aware that since September 1997, there’s been a sub-minimal wage of $4.25/Hr. for youth
An enterprise is permitted to pay a youth at a regular rate no less than $4.25/Hr. for 90 commencing the first day the youth begins working for the enterprise or a related enterprise or the employee attains the age of 20 years, or the employment is contrary to the state’s laws or the hiring is cause for displacing another employee.
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

For another viewpoint regarding the federal minimum wage laws, refer to the thread entitled Consequences of repealing minimum wage rates .

You seem to share the same attribute of liberals and all us other persons who have less than perfect recall or choose to ignore and/or discount all opinions that are contrary to those of our own.

Respectfully, Supposn

Nope, i have been giving you respect on this thread and sorry for some reason my phone wont let me down load that link to see where you are going with this.

 

[Supposn]

...Excerpted from post #295:
… refer to “Fact Sheet #32: Youth Minimum Wage - Fair Labor Standards Act”,
http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs32.pdf
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I wasn’t aware that since September 1997, there’s been a sub-minimal wage of $4.25/Hr. for youth
An enterprise is permitted to pay a youth at a regular rate no less than $4.25/Hr. for 90 commencing the first day the youth begins working for the enterprise or a related enterprise or the employee attains the age of 20 years, or the employment is contrary to the state’s laws or the hiring is cause for displacing another employee. ...
... Respectfully, Supposn

... sorry for some reason my phone wont let me down load that link to see where you are going with this.

Bear513, I had no particular purpose other than possibly informing you. I wasn’t previously aware of this legal sub-minimal rate, no one else has mentioned it and due to your previous post, I thought that you might also have not been aware of it.

The link that you were unable to evoke does little other than confirm (from an authoritative source), the sub-minimum rate my previous post described.

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Supposn]

Nope, i have been giving you respect on this thread .../QUOTE]

Bear513, thank you.
What you do or do not respect is your decision and is not my particular problem.

It was a very long time since I decided that we deny others what could be reasonably civil considerations, we undermine ourselves. On occasions when I’m guilty of such misbehaviors, I’ve betrayed my own ideals and think less of myself.

Everyone is a star . We are the centers' of our own solar systems and the significances of all others are dependent upon their proximity to us. We're suns and among the countless stars in the universe.

Others’ opinions should be of lesser, and our evaluations of ourselves should be of greater importance to us. If I’m among the brightest of star or suffer delusions of adequacy are not the critical issues.
I must continue attempting to follow my own path and ideals. Self disapproval is detrimental to my ego.

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Supposn]

Bear513, Refer to the thread:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/294718-unemployed-youth-the-amended-fls-act.html#post7257805

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Wyatt earp]

Bear513, Refer to the thread:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/294718-unemployed-youth-the-amended-fls-act.html#post7257805

Respectfully, Supposn

lol, my appologys, I missed that post.