Eliminate Minimum Wage

[Dubya]

Ever since the liberals invented minimum wage laws the welfare leeches that couldn't get a free ride from the tax payers have depended on minimum wage laws. This makes the government force employers to overpay the lazy workers who would be sitting at home if they could. Instead of more of Obama's socialism by raising the minimum wage we should eliminate the minimum wage all together. This would bring prices down and let higher wage earners be able to afford a better lifestyle. It would raise profits and best of all it would motivate the lazy welfare leeches to go find better jobs that pay more if they want to survive. The liberals will boo hoo and cry for the poor but that is because most of them are the bums that are to lazy to go find a decent job and want to live off the hard working conservatives.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/b...income-distribution.html?partner=yahoofinance

And any labor cost savings can be divided up between the CEO and the other executives while passing about 10% of the cost savings on to the shareholders.

It is the CEOs and the executives that keep businesses profitable. They deserve to be well paid. Most companies could used trained monkeys in place of American workers and make a better product or provide a better service. The workers in this country are to greedy and lazy. Most are greatly over paid.

I remember when the Ease of Doing Business Index had figures for labor and America was rated number #1 in the world.

You live on planet Uranus. Everything you say is stupid.

 

[Dubya]

The majority of minimum wage earners are high school students and part-timers. I figure the part timers are either lazy or it is all they can find. I am very socially conservative, but I can not agree with this OP

You're a liar and I've posted the stats.

Tables 1 - 10; Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers: 2009

that is from 4 years ago

So! It's based on the census. During good times only a little over 2% of the people are going to have minimum and below minimum wage jobs. You people act like spending that extra quarter for a sandwich is going to crash the economy.

The harder the times, the less young people will get a minimum wage job, because the adults will take the jobs from them.

 

[Mustang]

I can see it now.

In this new world, the annual performance review will devolve into a competition to see how much you're willing to "kick back" to your employer in order to keep your job.

"Sorry Bob, your offer of $900 wasn't enough. Jim offered the company $1,200 to keep his job. But don't worry. After six months you can reapply for your position at one third less than what you're making now."

"And have a Merry Christmas, Mr. Cratchit."
​

 

[DiamondDave]

Ever since the liberals invented minimum wage laws the welfare leeches that couldn't get a free ride from the tax payers have depended on minimum wage laws. This makes the government force employers to overpay the lazy workers who would be sitting at home if they could. Instead of more of Obama's socialism by raising the minimum wage we should eliminate the minimum wage all together. This would bring prices down and let higher wage earners be able to afford a better lifestyle. It would raise profits and best of all it would motivate the lazy welfare leeches to go find better jobs that pay more if they want to survive. The liberals will boo hoo and cry for the poor but that is because most of them are the bums that are to lazy to go find a decent job and want to live off the hard working conservatives.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/b...income-distribution.html?partner=yahoofinance

And any labor cost savings can be divided up between the CEO and the other executives while passing about 10% of the cost savings on to the shareholders.

And if you don't like it.. don't use or work for that company...

You and your ilk really can't stand freedom and all the negatives that can go with it... you only want positives... well, buddy boy, shit don't happen that way

 

[DiamondDave]

I can see it now.

In this new world, the annual performance review will devolve into a competition to see how much you're willing to "kick back" to your employer in order to keep your job.

"Sorry Bob, your offer of $900 wasn't enough. Jim offered the company $1,200 to keep his job. But don't worry. After six months you can reapply for your position at one third less than what you're making now."

"And have a Merry Christmas, Mr. Cratchit."
​

So you were against Brady giving the home town discount?? You have been against people taking pay cuts to help keep a company afloat??

And guess what.. you have the freedom to try and work wherever you choose.. apply anywhere you want.. yes yes or no to any offer... company won't survive long if it asks for kickbacks to obtain or keep a job

But keep living in your little fantasy world where everything is some evil company conspiracy for the benefit of CEO's

 

[Mustang]

I can see it now.

In this new world, the annual performance review will devolve into a competition to see how much you're willing to "kick back" to your employer in order to keep your job.

"Sorry Bob, your offer of $900 wasn't enough. Jim offered the company $1,200 to keep his job. But don't worry. After six months you can reapply for your position at one third less than what you're making now."

"And have a Merry Christmas, Mr. Cratchit."
​

So you were against Brady giving the home town discount?? You have been against people taking pay cuts to help keep a company afloat??

And guess what.. you have the freedom to try and work wherever you choose.. apply anywhere you want.. yes yes or no to any offer... company won't survive long if it asks for kickbacks to obtain or keep a job

But keep living in your little fantasy world where everything is some evil company conspiracy for the benefit of CEO's

The 'kickback' was just a metaphor, DiamondDufus (who just gave me negs for that post AFTER responding twice to it first).

Unlike some (or maybe even many), I don't see corporations as inherently bad (or evil). But I usually find that the more power some person, or business, or institution, or segment of society has, the more likely it is that they will use that power to their advantage and the detriment of others by employing some unethical (that's putting it nicely) methods.

The abuses of the Catholic Church during the pedophile priest years is reminiscent of any organization that has enough power and assets to shield their leaders from justice. And without any accountability, that's exactly what they did. I only brought that example up to point to the abuses of the Inquisition. Who was going to stop them? Nobody could. Nobody would dare even try. At that time, if you weren't terrified, you were either crazy, or you were a high ranking member of the church.

What's my point, you might be asking. My point is about power relative to accountability. Power withOUT accountability is a recipe for disaster every single time.

And I don't have a problem with workers being asked to take a pay cut to keep a company afloat. I DO have a problem with that if they're only asking the wage earners to take a pay cut while the executives maintain their high salaries.

 

[DiamondDave]

A business i not accountable to anything but the law and its stockholders... but the left and their followers believe you can legislate to bring about more outcome equality... sorry, that is against the concept of freedom.. if the workers are asked to take a cut and the execs get a bonus, then the workers have the freedom to leave and the company has the freedom to succeed or fail as a result

 

[The Rabbi]

I can see it now.

In this new world, the annual performance review will devolve into a competition to see how much you're willing to "kick back" to your employer in order to keep your job.

"Sorry Bob, your offer of $900 wasn't enough. Jim offered the company $1,200 to keep his job. But don't worry. After six months you can reapply for your position at one third less than what you're making now."

"And have a Merry Christmas, Mr. Cratchit."
​

So you were against Brady giving the home town discount?? You have been against people taking pay cuts to help keep a company afloat??

And guess what.. you have the freedom to try and work wherever you choose.. apply anywhere you want.. yes yes or no to any offer... company won't survive long if it asks for kickbacks to obtain or keep a job

But keep living in your little fantasy world where everything is some evil company conspiracy for the benefit of CEO's

The 'kickback' was just a metaphor, DiamondDufus (who just gave me negs for that post AFTER responding twice to it first).

Unlike some (or maybe even many), I don't see corporations as inherently bad (or evil). But I usually find that the more power some person, or business, or institution, or segment of society has, the more likely it is that they will use that power to their advantage and the detriment of others by employing some unethical (that's putting it nicely) methods.

The abuses of the Catholic Church during the pedophile priest years is reminiscent of any organization that has enough power and assets to shield their leaders from justice. And without any accountability, that's exactly what they did. I only brought that example up to point to the abuses of the Inquisition. Who was going to stop them? Nobody could. Nobody would dare even try. At that time, if you weren't terrified, you were either crazy, or you were a high ranking member of the church.

What's my point, you might be asking. My point is about power relative to accountability. Power withOUT accountability is a recipe for disaster every single time.

And I don't have a problem with workers being asked to take a pay cut to keep a company afloat. I DO have a problem with that if they're only asking the wage earners to take a pay cut while the executives maintain their high salaries.

Companies have no power over their employees because the employee can always quit if things get bad. If enough do that then the company will go out of business, so no more salaries for employees. Happens all the time.

 

[candycorn]

I can see it now.

In this new world, the annual performance review will devolve into a competition to see how much you're willing to "kick back" to your employer in order to keep your job.

"Sorry Bob, your offer of $900 wasn't enough. Jim offered the company $1,200 to keep his job. But don't worry. After six months you can reapply for your position at one third less than what you're making now."

"And have a Merry Christmas, Mr. Cratchit."
​

So you were against Brady giving the home town discount?? You have been against people taking pay cuts to help keep a company afloat??

And guess what.. you have the freedom to try and work wherever you choose.. apply anywhere you want.. yes yes or no to any offer... company won't survive long if it asks for kickbacks to obtain or keep a job

But keep living in your little fantasy world where everything is some evil company conspiracy for the benefit of CEO's

The 'kickback' was just a metaphor, DiamondDufus (who just gave me negs for that post AFTER responding twice to it first).

Unlike some (or maybe even many), I don't see corporations as inherently bad (or evil). But I usually find that the more power some person, or business, or institution, or segment of society has, the more likely it is that they will use that power to their advantage and the detriment of others by employing some unethical (that's putting it nicely) methods.

The abuses of the Catholic Church during the pedophile priest years is reminiscent of any organization that has enough power and assets to shield their leaders from justice. And without any accountability, that's exactly what they did. I only brought that example up to point to the abuses of the Inquisition. Who was going to stop them? Nobody could. Nobody would dare even try. At that time, if you weren't terrified, you were either crazy, or you were a high ranking member of the church.

What's my point, you might be asking. My point is about power relative to accountability. Power withOUT accountability is a recipe for disaster every single time.

And I don't have a problem with workers being asked to take a pay cut to keep a company afloat. I DO have a problem with that if they're only asking the wage earners to take a pay cut while the executives maintain their high salaries.

I hope he gets (or got) fired one day before qualifying for retirement. He deserves it I'm afraid.

 

[Mustang]

So you were against Brady giving the home town discount?? You have been against people taking pay cuts to help keep a company afloat??

And guess what.. you have the freedom to try and work wherever you choose.. apply anywhere you want.. yes yes or no to any offer... company won't survive long if it asks for kickbacks to obtain or keep a job

But keep living in your little fantasy world where everything is some evil company conspiracy for the benefit of CEO's

The 'kickback' was just a metaphor, DiamondDufus (who just gave me negs for that post AFTER responding twice to it first).

Unlike some (or maybe even many), I don't see corporations as inherently bad (or evil). But I usually find that the more power some person, or business, or institution, or segment of society has, the more likely it is that they will use that power to their advantage and the detriment of others by employing some unethical (that's putting it nicely) methods.

The abuses of the Catholic Church during the pedophile priest years is reminiscent of any organization that has enough power and assets to shield their leaders from justice. And without any accountability, that's exactly what they did. I only brought that example up to point to the abuses of the Inquisition. Who was going to stop them? Nobody could. Nobody would dare even try. At that time, if you weren't terrified, you were either crazy, or you were a high ranking member of the church.

What's my point, you might be asking. My point is about power relative to accountability. Power withOUT accountability is a recipe for disaster every single time.

And I don't have a problem with workers being asked to take a pay cut to keep a company afloat. I DO have a problem with that if they're only asking the wage earners to take a pay cut while the executives maintain their high salaries.

Companies have no power over their employees because the employee can always quit if things get bad. If enough do that then the company will go out of business, so no more salaries for employees. Happens all the time.

The type of collective employee action to which you seem to be referring is generally brought about by an entity called a union. That's why companies often don't like unions. They prefer to deal with their employees in a considerably weakened state of bargaining -- namely, individually. The power differential places each individual employee at a distinct disadvantage. That's how the so-called 'little guy' get's royally screwed, even when he or she is in the right.

 

[bendog]

The 'kickback' was just a metaphor, DiamondDufus (who just gave me negs for that post AFTER responding twice to it first).

Unlike some (or maybe even many), I don't see corporations as inherently bad (or evil). But I usually find that the more power some person, or business, or institution, or segment of society has, the more likely it is that they will use that power to their advantage and the detriment of others by employing some unethical (that's putting it nicely) methods.

The abuses of the Catholic Church during the pedophile priest years is reminiscent of any organization that has enough power and assets to shield their leaders from justice. And without any accountability, that's exactly what they did. I only brought that example up to point to the abuses of the Inquisition. Who was going to stop them? Nobody could. Nobody would dare even try. At that time, if you weren't terrified, you were either crazy, or you were a high ranking member of the church.

What's my point, you might be asking. My point is about power relative to accountability. Power withOUT accountability is a recipe for disaster every single time.

And I don't have a problem with workers being asked to take a pay cut to keep a company afloat. I DO have a problem with that if they're only asking the wage earners to take a pay cut while the executives maintain their high salaries.

Companies have no power over their employees because the employee can always quit if things get bad. If enough do that then the company will go out of business, so no more salaries for employees. Happens all the time.

The type of collective employee action to which you seem to be referring is generally brought about by an entity called a union. That's why companies often don't like unions. They prefer to deal with their employees in a considerably weakened state of bargaining -- namely, individually. The power differential places each individual employee at a distinct disadvantage. That's how the so-called 'little guy' get's royally screwed, even when he or she is in the right.

Yep. And that's the economic justification for a min wage. Not because it's "fair" or "moral." It's because any notion of a market setting the value is unsupportable because it's based on labor being as valuable as employment. But, there is always more labor than unemployment. So employers will never have to pay labor the full economic benefit of their labor.

And that post shouldn't be read as to be supportive of unions. It's just that facts are facts.

 

[wihosa]

Without a minimum wage how far would wages fall? Answer: to the bare minimum for subsistence.

 

[CaGOPatriot]

Educated elitist liberals are the cause of this country's problems. They over analyze everything and always come up with the wrong answers.

If you think that just because a job is minimum wage, you don't have to work hard or that the less intelligent should be grateful to take whatever they can get, then you have a lot of nerve calling someone else stupid. That would just mean more people in need of assistance or tempted into a life of crime.

Aha. So crime is caused by lack of jobs.
You realize that if there were no min wage there would be many more jobs to fill, right? It's like basic Econ 101: lower the price of anything you sell more of it. Lower the price of labor and more will get sold.

The voters are getting tired of the broken promises of the democrats and Obama and in 2014 the Republicans will be making a come back. By 2016 the Republican candidate for President will be a sure winner and the country will be back on the road to recovery after years of over spending and tax hikes by Obama and the democrats. With the conservatives back in power we can look forward to a business friendly government that will eliminate the minimum wage tyranny and all other liberal anti business regulations. The economy will be flourishing like it did when G.W. Bush was President and the debt will be under control once again.

 

[boilermaker55]

Stealing from hardworking people is a Right-wing philosophy, they have dolts like you believing they are the real workers. Work being the operative word.
Maybe something you know little about, but then again you are quite quick to cast your hateful eyes on those that struggle "working."

If they all went to get better jobs, who would do theirs? It's nothing but an arrogant disregard for others to characterize anyone who works for minimum wage as a welfare leech. Thanks for reminding me why we need those laws and why I'll never vote Republican.

You have fallen onto the liberal trap that stealing from hard working people and giving it to the lazy will help America. Why is this so hard for liberals to see are they really that stupid?

 

[DiamondDave]

Stealing from hardworking people is a Right-wing philosophy, they have dolts like you believing they are the real workers. Work being the operative word.
Maybe something you know little about, but then again you are quite quick to cast your hateful eyes on those that struggle "working."

If they all went to get better jobs, who would do theirs? It's nothing but an arrogant disregard for others to characterize anyone who works for minimum wage as a welfare leech. Thanks for reminding me why we need those laws and why I'll never vote Republican.

You have fallen onto the liberal trap that stealing from hard working people and giving it to the lazy will help America. Why is this so hard for liberals to see are they really that stupid?

Really?? Wanting people to keep more of their own earnings and government to spend less is stealing from hardworking people????

No... Sorry Charlie... It is those who want to take more from others to have government spend and hand out more, that are stealing from hardworking people....

 

[boilermaker55]

That was not even part of my statement. Another right-wing flaw, reading more into context than is there.
Think about it.

Stealing from hardworking people is a Right-wing philosophy, they have dolts like you believing they are the real workers. Work being the operative word.
Maybe something you know little about, but then again you are quite quick to cast your hateful eyes on those that struggle "working."

You have fallen onto the liberal trap that stealing from hard working people and giving it to the lazy will help America. Why is this so hard for liberals to see are they really that stupid?

Really?? Wanting people to keep more of their own earnings and government to spend less is stealing from hardworking people????

No... Sorry Charlie... It is those who want to take more from others to have government spend and hand out more, that are stealing from hardworking people....

 

[Wildman]

Ever since the liberals invented minimum wage laws the welfare leeches that couldn't get a free ride from the tax payers have depended on minimum wage laws. This makes the government force employers to overpay the lazy workers who would be sitting at home if they could. Instead of more of Obama's socialism by raising the minimum wage we should eliminate the minimum wage all together. This would bring prices down and let higher wage earners be able to afford a better lifestyle. It would raise profits and best of all it would motivate the lazy welfare leeches to go find better jobs that pay more if they want to survive. The liberals will boo hoo and cry for the poor but that is because most of them are the bums that are to lazy to go find a decent job and want to live off the hard working conservatives.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/b...income-distribution.html?partner=yahoofinance

And any labor cost savings can be divided up between the CEO and the other executives while passing about 10% of the cost savings on to the shareholders.

It is the CEOs and the executives that keep businesses profitable. They deserve to be well paid. Most companies could used trained monkeys in place of American workers and make a better product or provide a better service. The workers in this country are to greedy and lazy. Most are greatly over paid.

they are already doing that.., they are called illegal aliens !!

 

[NYcarbineer]

The minimum wage is a symbol of a civilized society,

as opposed to an uncivilized society that allows the unfettered exploitation of the less powerful for the sake of concentrating mass amounts of wealth in the hands of the powerful few.

 

[Supposn]

...This is a copy of my OP.

Ever since the liberals invented minimum wage laws the welfare leeches that couldn't get a free ride from the tax payers have depended on minimum wage laws. This makes the government force employers to overpay the lazy workers who would be sitting at home if they could. Instead of more of Obama's socialism by raising the minimum wage we should eliminate the minimum wage all together. This would bring prices down and let higher wage earners be able to afford a better lifestyle. It would raise profits and best of all it would motivate the lazy welfare leeches to go find better jobs that pay more if they want to survive. The liberals will boo hoo and cry for the poor but that is because most of them are the bums that are to lazy to go find a decent job and want to live off the hard working conservatives. ...

Where did I say I was still working? You liberals see what you want to see and it usually isn't the truth. I have caught you in another liberal lie.

Rabi, I don’t doubt that you’ve read, listened to great deal of commentary regarding economics. I’m intrigued by the possible paths your mind takes to reach your conclusions. You apparently cannot consider interrelationships of various factors that in aggregate have significant consequential affects upon the outcomes we are trying to predict.
[I employ the qualifying words “trying” and “otherwise” because social studies are subjects of studies rather than sciences. It’s contended pegging the federal minimum wage to the U.S. dollar’s purchasing power, (rather than permitting it to lag behind the dollar), will increase our GDP and median wage more than otherwise.
Rabbi, you and CaGoPatriot are looking through the wrong end of the telescope.
I enjoy reading your responses. Refer to post #626.

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

If they all went to get better jobs, who would do theirs? It's nothing but an arrogant disregard for others to characterize anyone who works for minimum wage as a welfare leech. Thanks for reminding me why we need those laws and why I'll never vote Republican.

You have fallen onto the liberal trap that stealing from hard working people and giving it to the lazy will help America. Why is this so hard for liberals to see are they really that stupid?

No.

They haven't.

They just aren't stupid white trash.

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