Eliminate Minimum Wage

[Wyatt earp]

I would likd the left to explain this to me, the county I live in has a high unemployment rate. Since I have been here (the past 9 months) We have went though like 14 operators. all of them quit except one and we start them off at like $12 bucks an hour. I dont know of any factory job around here that pays minimum wage. I say if you eliminate the minimum wage it will lower the unemployment rate (espeacially for teenagers) and will increase wages for the middle class. (less competion for jobs) just let the market take care of it. If one place lowered the pay to $5 bucks an hour the employees will leave and they would have to pay more.

 

[squeeze berry]

I'm a paleo-con and GOP and even I don't think it's a good idea to eliminate a minimum wage otherwise employers would really fuck their employees.

Minimum wage is not all that much.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I'm a paleo-con and GOP and even I don't think it's a good idea to eliminate a minimum wage otherwise employers would really fuck their employees.

Minimum wage is not all that much.

You really think? I would think the Unions would make a comeback if their was no minimum wage even in RTW states if companys tried to pay $4 bucks an hour. I also think thats the reason why the folks want a minimum wage because they would rather see people not work for $5 bucks an hour because THEY wouldnt do it. They dont like to be showed up and can not figure out why some people would be willing to work for $5 an hour, then sit around and collect welfare like them. Also you really do know the teenager unemployment rate right?

 

[Wyatt earp]

And that brings me to the next point, If we had no minimum wage...... We would have more stronger and more honest unions.... just maybe the right wing type they have in Europe and like in the 1920's just a thought.

 

[Political Junky]

While I don't agree that working for minimum wage necessarily makes one lazy, I do believe that minimum wage is a terrible idea and should be abolished. It does nothing but aid inflation.

Chassit, reducing the federal minimum wage also reduces the median wage.
Reducing the federal minimum wage also reduces the purchasing power of the median wage.

Reduction of the federal minimum wage, (i.e. the FMW) would induce creation of additional jobs. The additional jobs’ tasks did not justify the current FMW’s purchasing power. Some people effectively deemed unemployable at current the current FMW rate could be employable at a reduced FMW rate’s purchasing power.

The numbers of additional jobs created due to the reduction of the FMW’s purchasing power is positively related to the extent of the FMW’s purchasing power reduction. When the U.S. Congress fails to keep the FMW in pace with the reduced purchasing power of inflated U.S. dollars, such increase of the lower paid jobs actually occur. The effect of FMW’s reduced purchasing power ripples throughout our labor markets.

[The FMW is less a contributor and more a victim of the U.S. dollar’s inflation. The FMW inversely and proportionally affects ALL USA wages and salaries; wage rates of lesser paying job proportionally benefit more, and higher paying job rates proportionally benefit less due to the FMW; but USA’s median wage an all other wages and salary schedules benefit due to the FMW].

FMW reduction would to some extent reduce prices but at the cost of reducing the actual net purchasing powers of wages and salaries. Eliminating the FMW replaces a legally specific minimum bench mark with an uncertain and lesser bench mark that would be the most extreme possible reduction of the minimum ‘s purchasing power during whatever national economic conditions exists at any given date.

Reduction of the FMW’s purchasing power will not decrease but rather increase needs for public assistance. It will drive the working poor deeper into poverty and they will be joined by many that are now our middle income earners dependent upon wages and salaries. This is not conducive to improving an economy.

I’m an advocate of annually cost of living adjusted FMW in the same manner as we now update Social Security retirement benefits.

Respectfully, Supposn

You make an intriguing case and admittedly I had never really seen other implications beyond driving prices up at a McDonald's (as it were). I will have to take some time to digest all this but I do appreciate the honest and thoughtful response.

Noomi works at McDonald's in Australia, making more than double the US minimum wage. I'm quite sure a burger doesn't cost twice as much there.

 

[AmazonTania]

The minimum wage is a symbol of a civilized society,

as opposed to an uncivilized society that allows the unfettered exploitation of the less powerful for the sake of concentrating mass amounts of wealth in the hands of the powerful few.

Explain Singapore and Hong Kong.

 

[Political Junky]

The minimum wage is a symbol of a civilized society,

as opposed to an uncivilized society that allows the unfettered exploitation of the less powerful for the sake of concentrating mass amounts of wealth in the hands of the powerful few.

Explain Singapore and Hong Kong.

The government is the largest shareholder in Singaporean companies, do you want that, too?

 

[ScienceRocks]

I support minimum wage as long as it doesn't take our ability to compete away.

 

[Cowman]

Ever since the liberals invented minimum wage laws the welfare leeches that couldn't get a free ride from the tax payers have depended on minimum wage laws. This makes the government force employers to overpay the lazy workers who would be sitting at home if they could. Instead of more of Obama's socialism by raising the minimum wage we should eliminate the minimum wage all together. This would bring prices down and let higher wage earners be able to afford a better lifestyle. It would raise profits and best of all it would motivate the lazy welfare leeches to go find better jobs that pay more if they want to survive. The liberals will boo hoo and cry for the poor but that is because most of them are the bums that are to lazy to go find a decent job and want to live off the hard working conservatives.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/b...income-distribution.html?partner=yahoofinance

I would never wish a below minimum wage job on you.

 

[Cowman]

I support minimum wage as long as it doesn't take our ability to compete away.

So you're against minimum wage then. If you're talking about competition based solely on who is willing to be paid the least, we have to plummet our wages drastically. And then our country will suffer even more.

Sorry, but i don't want to compete with a China who has citizens that have little other choice than to work for scraps.

That's aiming for the bottom.

 

[buckeye45_73]

I support minimum wage as long as it doesn't take our ability to compete away.

So you're against minimum wage then. If you're talking about competition based solely on who is willing to be paid the least, we have to plummet our wages drastically. And then our country will suffer even more.

Sorry, but i don't want to compete with a China who has citizens that have little other choice than to work for scraps.

That's aiming for the bottom.

But China is socialist.....how can this be????

oh yeah, socialists are like monarchs, a few rich, overwhelming people are dirt poor

the min wage is bad, and YOU just showed why.....I end my argument with that reason cowman,

the min wage is a myth, noone ever does well, because it's the BARE MINIMUM.....the only thing that happens when increasing it, is inflation and the people that were making a little more, are now min wage employees....and what are we left with? The statement in bold. IT does take away our ability to compete.

 

[Agit8r]

Ever since the liberals invented minimum wage laws the welfare leeches that couldn't get a free ride from the tax payers have depended on minimum wage laws. This makes the government force employers to overpay the lazy workers who would be sitting at home if they could. Instead of more of Obama's socialism by raising the minimum wage we should eliminate the minimum wage all together. This would bring prices down and let higher wage earners be able to afford a better lifestyle. It would raise profits and best of all it would motivate the lazy welfare leeches to go find better jobs that pay more if they want to survive. The liberals will boo hoo and cry for the poor but that is because most of them are the bums that are to lazy to go find a decent job and want to live off the hard working conservatives.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/b...income-distribution.html?partner=yahoofinance

some historical figures would agree:

"He who wants to live asserts himself. He who cannot assert himself does not deserve to live. He will perish. This is an iron, yet also a just principle. The earth is not there for cowardly peoples, not for weak ones, not for lazy ones. The earth is there for him who takes it and who industriously labors upon it and thereby fashions his life. That is the will of Providence. That is why it has placed man upon this earth, along with the other beings, and has paved the way for him, has freed him to make his own decisions, to lead his own struggle for survival. And should he fail in this struggle, should he become weak in asserting his existence, then Providence will not rush to his aid. Instead, it will sentence him to death. And rightly so. Other men will come. The space will not remain empty. What the one man loses, another will take. And life continues in accordance with its own eternal rhythm without consideration for the weakling."
-- Adolf Hitler; from speech in Sportpalast Berlin (May 3, 1940)

 

[buckeye45_73]

Ever since the liberals invented minimum wage laws the welfare leeches that couldn't get a free ride from the tax payers have depended on minimum wage laws. This makes the government force employers to overpay the lazy workers who would be sitting at home if they could. Instead of more of Obama's socialism by raising the minimum wage we should eliminate the minimum wage all together. This would bring prices down and let higher wage earners be able to afford a better lifestyle. It would raise profits and best of all it would motivate the lazy welfare leeches to go find better jobs that pay more if they want to survive. The liberals will boo hoo and cry for the poor but that is because most of them are the bums that are to lazy to go find a decent job and want to live off the hard working conservatives.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/b...income-distribution.html?partner=yahoofinance

some historical figures would agree:

"He who wants to live asserts himself. He who cannot assert himself does not deserve to live. He will perish. This is an iron, yet also a just principle. The earth is not there for cowardly peoples, not for weak ones, not for lazy ones. The earth is there for him who takes it and who industriously labors upon it and thereby fashions his life. That is the will of Providence. That is why it has placed man upon this earth, along with the other beings, and has paved the way for him, has freed him to make his own decisions, to lead his own struggle for survival. And should he fail in this struggle, should he become weak in asserting his existence, then Providence will not rush to his aid. Instead, it will sentence him to death. And rightly so. Other men will come. The space will not remain empty. What the one man loses, another will take. And life continues in accordance with its own eternal rhythm without consideration for the weakling."
-- Adolf Hitler; from speech in Sportpalast Berlin (May 3, 1940)

wow linking opposing min wage to a being a nazi...wow that's a great one chief.

So then you're in favor of it going to $100/hour, correct?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Can I have $100 dollars/hour please?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Ever since the liberals invented minimum wage laws the welfare leeches that couldn't get a free ride from the tax payers have depended on minimum wage laws. This makes the government force employers to overpay the lazy workers who would be sitting at home if they could. Instead of more of Obama's socialism by raising the minimum wage we should eliminate the minimum wage all together. This would bring prices down and let higher wage earners be able to afford a better lifestyle. It would raise profits and best of all it would motivate the lazy welfare leeches to go find better jobs that pay more if they want to survive. The liberals will boo hoo and cry for the poor but that is because most of them are the bums that are to lazy to go find a decent job and want to live off the hard working conservatives.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/b...income-distribution.html?partner=yahoofinance

In each case, the violation alleged by those attacking minimum wage regulation for women is deprivation of freedom of contract. What is this freedom? The Constitution does not speak of freedom of contract. It speaks of liberty and prohibits the deprivation of liberty without due process of law. In prohibiting that deprivation, the Constitution does not recognize an absolute and uncontrollable liberty. Liberty in each of its phases has its history and connotation. But the liberty safeguarded is liberty in a social organization which requires the protection of law against the evils which menace the health, safety, morals and welfare of the people. Liberty under the Constitution is thus necessarily subject to the restraints of due process, and regulation which is reasonable in relation to its subject and is adopted in the interests of the community is due process.

The legislature has also recognized the fact, which the experience of legislators in many States has corroborated, that the proprietors of these establishments and their operatives do not stand upon an equality, and that [p394] their interests are, to a certain extent, conflicting. The former naturally desire to obtain as much labor as possible from their employes, while the latter are often induced by the fear of discharge to conform to regulations which their judgment, fairly exercised, would pronounce to be detrimental to their health or strength. In other words, the proprietors lay down the rules and the laborers are practically constrained to obey them. In such cases, self-interest is often an unsafe guide, and the legislature may properly interpose its authority.

West Coast Hotel Co. v. Parrish

The Constitution recognizes the fact that the relationship between that of employer and employee is not one of co-equals, where the former has the clear advantage to dictate terms of employment to the latter, including compensation.

Consequently, regulatory measures with regard to working conditions, such as minimum wage, are not only Constitutional, but vital in countervailing the advantage enjoyed by employers, and those employers who would seek to exploit that advantage.

 

[Agit8r]

Ever since the liberals invented minimum wage laws the welfare leeches that couldn't get a free ride from the tax payers have depended on minimum wage laws. This makes the government force employers to overpay the lazy workers who would be sitting at home if they could. Instead of more of Obama's socialism by raising the minimum wage we should eliminate the minimum wage all together. This would bring prices down and let higher wage earners be able to afford a better lifestyle. It would raise profits and best of all it would motivate the lazy welfare leeches to go find better jobs that pay more if they want to survive. The liberals will boo hoo and cry for the poor but that is because most of them are the bums that are to lazy to go find a decent job and want to live off the hard working conservatives.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/b...income-distribution.html?partner=yahoofinance

some historical figures would agree:

"He who wants to live asserts himself. He who cannot assert himself does not deserve to live. He will perish. This is an iron, yet also a just principle. The earth is not there for cowardly peoples, not for weak ones, not for lazy ones. The earth is there for him who takes it and who industriously labors upon it and thereby fashions his life. That is the will of Providence. That is why it has placed man upon this earth, along with the other beings, and has paved the way for him, has freed him to make his own decisions, to lead his own struggle for survival. And should he fail in this struggle, should he become weak in asserting his existence, then Providence will not rush to his aid. Instead, it will sentence him to death. And rightly so. Other men will come. The space will not remain empty. What the one man loses, another will take. And life continues in accordance with its own eternal rhythm without consideration for the weakling."
-- Adolf Hitler; from speech in Sportpalast Berlin (May 3, 1940)

wow linking opposing min wage to a being a nazi...wow that's a great one chief.

So then you're in favor of it going to $100/hour, correct?

No. Calling people who work "leeches" is fascist.

The minimum wage has already been subverted by workfare and work-release. And since there is a reason that people are in those programs (typically a neurological disorder) the people who are actually paid the minimum wage side by side them earn every bit of it, and then some. Been there, done that ... and have supervised that situation too. Not pleasant.

I always have to wonder whether anyone who describes other people as leeches has actually worked an honest day in his/her life. Since most jobs require some sort of people-skills, I am skeptical.

 

[buckeye45_73]

some historical figures would agree:

"He who wants to live asserts himself. He who cannot assert himself does not deserve to live. He will perish. This is an iron, yet also a just principle. The earth is not there for cowardly peoples, not for weak ones, not for lazy ones. The earth is there for him who takes it and who industriously labors upon it and thereby fashions his life. That is the will of Providence. That is why it has placed man upon this earth, along with the other beings, and has paved the way for him, has freed him to make his own decisions, to lead his own struggle for survival. And should he fail in this struggle, should he become weak in asserting his existence, then Providence will not rush to his aid. Instead, it will sentence him to death. And rightly so. Other men will come. The space will not remain empty. What the one man loses, another will take. And life continues in accordance with its own eternal rhythm without consideration for the weakling."
-- Adolf Hitler; from speech in Sportpalast Berlin (May 3, 1940)

wow linking opposing min wage to a being a nazi...wow that's a great one chief.

So then you're in favor of it going to $100/hour, correct?

No. Calling people who work "leeches" is fascist.

The minimum wage has already been subverted by workfare and work-release. And since there is a reason that people are in those programs (typically a neurological disorder) the people who are actually paid the minimum wage side by side them earn every bit of it, and then some. Been there, done that ... and have supervised that situation too. Not pleasant.

I always have to wonder whether anyone who describes other people as leeches has actually worked an honest day in his/her life. Since most jobs require some sort of people-skills, I am skeptical.

leeches? I didnt call anyone leeches. Min Wage is horrible.....there is a reason noone proposes the $100/hour, because it would do everything I said, just faster and be more pronounced. Min wage does nothing for people. You're still making the minimum.....doesnt matter what it is. And the people that were making above the wage are now making min wage, so you just added more people there. For what?
And then our products get more expensive and harder to trade...
I just dont see anyone who wins in that scenario.

 

[Agit8r]

wow linking opposing min wage to a being a nazi...wow that's a great one chief.

So then you're in favor of it going to $100/hour, correct?

No. Calling people who work "leeches" is fascist.

The minimum wage has already been subverted by workfare and work-release. And since there is a reason that people are in those programs (typically a neurological disorder) the people who are actually paid the minimum wage side by side them earn every bit of it, and then some. Been there, done that ... and have supervised that situation too. Not pleasant.

I always have to wonder whether anyone who describes other people as leeches has actually worked an honest day in his/her life. Since most jobs require some sort of people-skills, I am skeptical.

leeches? I didnt call anyone leeches. Min Wage is horrible.....there is a reason noone proposes the $100/hour, because it would do everything I said, just faster and be more pronounced. Min wage does nothing for people. You're still making the minimum.....doesnt matter what it is. And the people that were making above the wage are now making min wage, so you just added more people there. For what?
And then our products get more expensive and harder to trade...
I just dont see anyone who wins in that scenario.

I was responding to the OP, which referred to min. wage workers as leeches.

 

[Agit8r]

I support minimum wage as long as it doesn't take our ability to compete away.

So you're against minimum wage then. If you're talking about competition based solely on who is willing to be paid the least, we have to plummet our wages drastically. And then our country will suffer even more.

Sorry, but i don't want to compete with a China who has citizens that have little other choice than to work for scraps.

That's aiming for the bottom.

most minimum wage jobs are services that can't be offshored, like flipping burgers, cashiering, non-skilled cleaning, etc. Though in many urban and rural areas, these are the only jobs available.

 

[buckeye45_73]

No. Calling people who work "leeches" is fascist.

The minimum wage has already been subverted by workfare and work-release. And since there is a reason that people are in those programs (typically a neurological disorder) the people who are actually paid the minimum wage side by side them earn every bit of it, and then some. Been there, done that ... and have supervised that situation too. Not pleasant.

I always have to wonder whether anyone who describes other people as leeches has actually worked an honest day in his/her life. Since most jobs require some sort of people-skills, I am skeptical.

leeches? I didnt call anyone leeches. Min Wage is horrible.....there is a reason noone proposes the $100/hour, because it would do everything I said, just faster and be more pronounced. Min wage does nothing for people. You're still making the minimum.....doesnt matter what it is. And the people that were making above the wage are now making min wage, so you just added more people there. For what?
And then our products get more expensive and harder to trade...
I just dont see anyone who wins in that scenario.

I was responding to the OP, which referred to min. wage workers as leeches.

ah, well I like the OP and I wouldnt call them leeches....the unions are the leeches...they make a kid working a Krogers pay union dues, huh?????????