Elizabeth Warren: 'End Electoral College'

[M14 Shooter]

It takes just 13 states to stop the amendment necessary to eliminate the EC and replace it with something else. If you cannot name 13 states that will never vote for such a thing let me know and I'll do your thinking for your.

How do you plan to do to convince these states to vote for the repeal?
If you don't have a plan, why do you waste your time whining and crying about something you know you can do noting to change?

 

[Rustic]

I want to protect all in the vote, the rural voter and the suburban voter, both have different needs and all needs need to be accounted for. That is why we are a republic. If we started to eliminate the minority voice it would be regressing back to the 1800's. I'm for keeping the Republic and all voices heard and acknowledged. With a country as big as the United States is, different areas need different needs and the needs will contrast vastly. With both parties giving increasing power to the Executive Office, we need to make sure all are heard and all have a voice. A popular vote would not allow for the small voice to be acknowledged, let alone be heard.

Right now, the "small voice" carries more weight than it should. I want it to be equal. No one's vote should count more than anyone elses.

With pure popular vote Rural America would lose every presidential election... fact

That's silly. Rural america is not running for president.

Without the electoral college rural America would not be represented by the executive branch

Sure it would. It would have exactly the right amount of say proportional to the population.

Na, not really
Don’t fix what’s not broken

 

[toobfreak]

States have nothing to do with individual votes. Within a given state, ALL VOTES COUNT EQUAL. Quit trying to spin the topic! That is an argument created by your kind as an argument for mob rule. No matter how you cook it, eliminate the Electoral College as designed by the Founders and democrat states win big, will never lose again and the other 2/3rds of the country BE DAMNED.

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There is simply no such thing as "democrat [sic] states". Or even "Democrat states". Nor is there such a thing as "Republican states". NO STATE ANYWHERE is a monolith. There are no "red states", no "blue states", no "battleground states". ***ALL*** of these are artificial and bullshit concepts created by the WTA-EC, without which said bullshit concepts cease to exist, along with the divisiveness that comes with them, and good fucking riddance.

Lessee: California and New York have voted Blue since 1992. That is 31 years since they elected a republican. Let me know the next time they vote GOP again. These are BLUE STATES now, by design, no matter how you want to spin it.

2019-1992=27

How did you get 31?

Simple "school teacher with a masters degree." I was referring to the four years earlier (if you read) when the last time was these states DID vote red! Neither state has voted red since Reagan's second term! And we know Ca only voted for him then because he had been a popular governor and proactive actor there. Further proof why public school kids are in the fucking dumper these days. And despite the fact that a large part of Ca is still red and most of NYS, SanFran democrats and NYC dems have so over run their states, these people no longer have any voice in their state elections! I know---- I know many who live there.

You should learn to write, dumbass!

You said 1992. If you meant 1988 you should have said so. What a fucking moron!

HEY JACKASS. I DID SAY SO. LEARN TO FUCKING READ. THEN SHUT THE HELL UP, PINHEAD. I'LL SAY IT AGAIN THAT EVEN A DOLT LIKE YOU WILL GET IT:

Lessee: California and New York have voted Blue since 1992. That is 31 years since they elected a republican.

 

[Faun]

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There is simply no such thing as "democrat [sic] states". Or even "Democrat states". Nor is there such a thing as "Republican states". NO STATE ANYWHERE is a monolith. There are no "red states", no "blue states", no "battleground states". ***ALL*** of these are artificial and bullshit concepts created by the WTA-EC, without which said bullshit concepts cease to exist, along with the divisiveness that comes with them, and good fucking riddance.

Lessee: California and New York have voted Blue since 1992. That is 31 years since they elected a republican. Let me know the next time they vote GOP again. These are BLUE STATES now, by design, no matter how you want to spin it.

2019-1992=27

How did you get 31?

Simple "school teacher with a masters degree." I was referring to the four years earlier (if you read) when the last time was these states DID vote red! Neither state has voted red since Reagan's second term! And we know Ca only voted for him then because he had been a popular governor and proactive actor there. Further proof why public school kids are in the fucking dumper these days. And despite the fact that a large part of Ca is still red and most of NYS, SanFran democrats and NYC dems have so over run their states, these people no longer have any voice in their state elections! I know---- I know many who live there.

You should learn to write, dumbass!

You said 1992. If you meant 1988 you should have said so. What a fucking moron!

HEY JACKASS. I DID SAY SO. LEARN TO FUCKING READ. THEN SHUT THE HELL UP, PINHEAD. I'LL SAY IT AGAIN THAT EVEN A DOLT LIKE YOU WILL GET IT:

Lessee: California and New York have voted Blue since 1992. That is 31 years since they elected a republican.

Wrong. NY voted blue in ‘88.

 

[Snouter]

Faun, are you going to change that goofy avatar when Swamp Rat Mueller's fake Russian Hoax report fails to incriminate our President?

 

[Faun]

Faun, are you going to change that goofy avatar when Swamp Rat Mueller's fake Russian Hoax report fails to incriminate our President?

Probably not.

 

[toobfreak]

Lessee: California and New York have voted Blue since 1992. That is 31 years since they elected a republican. Let me know the next time they vote GOP again. These are BLUE STATES now, by design, no matter how you want to spin it.

2019-1992=27

How did you get 31?

Simple "school teacher with a masters degree." I was referring to the four years earlier (if you read) when the last time was these states DID vote red! Neither state has voted red since Reagan's second term! And we know Ca only voted for him then because he had been a popular governor and proactive actor there. Further proof why public school kids are in the fucking dumper these days. And despite the fact that a large part of Ca is still red and most of NYS, SanFran democrats and NYC dems have so over run their states, these people no longer have any voice in their state elections! I know---- I know many who live there.

You should learn to write, dumbass!

You said 1992. If you meant 1988 you should have said so. What a fucking moron!

HEY JACKASS. I DID SAY SO. LEARN TO FUCKING READ. THEN SHUT THE HELL UP, PINHEAD. I'LL SAY IT AGAIN THAT EVEN A DOLT LIKE YOU WILL GET IT:

Lessee: California and New York have voted Blue since 1992. That is 31 years since they elected a republican.

Wrong. NY voted blue in ‘88.

You're right. My aged eyes deceived me on the tiny maps I was using, but look at the history of California voting red! Not so any more. Same for New York. Thank you for the catch.

 

[RDD_1210]

Right now, the "small voice" carries more weight than it should. I want it to be equal. No one's vote should count more than anyone elses.

With pure popular vote Rural America would lose every presidential election... fact

That's silly. Rural america is not running for president.

Without the electoral college rural America would not be represented by the executive branch

Sure it would. It would have exactly the right amount of say proportional to the population.

Na, not really
Don’t fix what’s not broken

But it is broken. The evidence is clear despite how much you want to cover your eyes.

 

[Toronado3800]

You’re not understanding, those EC votes add up as seen in 2016. With a pure popular vote the votes just are not there to make any difference... Never have been and never will be.

You are assuming that the popular votes and campaigning would remain the same if the system were changed. That isn’t the case

The result would would fuck over Rural America... The whole point of going to a pure popular vote

Rural California which represents millions of Republicans can make a case for being unrepresented in the presidential election under our current system can they not?

So can downtown St Louis and Kansas City then. Why should they have to pay for the repeated flood plain welfare suckers?

I never said they should... what are you talking about?

Yes you did.

Consider Rural Californians and their case for being unrepresented in our Presidential Election.

Urban St Louis and KC folks don't need all this wellfare predictable event (flooding) aid those in DC always force the urbanites to pay for. After all, them city folks are Democrats and the state seems to lay in the Republican camp in Presidential elections unless Bill Clinton is running for national office.

 

[Toronado3800]

2019-1992=27

How did you get 31?

Simple "school teacher with a masters degree." I was referring to the four years earlier (if you read) when the last time was these states DID vote red! Neither state has voted red since Reagan's second term! And we know Ca only voted for him then because he had been a popular governor and proactive actor there. Further proof why public school kids are in the fucking dumper these days. And despite the fact that a large part of Ca is still red and most of NYS, SanFran democrats and NYC dems have so over run their states, these people no longer have any voice in their state elections! I know---- I know many who live there.

You should learn to write, dumbass!

You said 1992. If you meant 1988 you should have said so. What a fucking moron!

HEY JACKASS. I DID SAY SO. LEARN TO FUCKING READ. THEN SHUT THE HELL UP, PINHEAD. I'LL SAY IT AGAIN THAT EVEN A DOLT LIKE YOU WILL GET IT:

Lessee: California and New York have voted Blue since 1992. That is 31 years since they elected a republican.

Wrong. NY voted blue in ‘88.

You're right. My aged eyes deceived me on the tiny maps I was using, but look at the history of California voting red! Not so any more. Same for New York. Thank you for the catch.

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Red California is something people forget about.

Another thing to do is count their years of Republican govenors.

 

[Issa]

Yes let's have Mexifornia elect Democratic Presidents for the next 50 years. That is the Liberal wet dream of abolishing the E.C.

Why are you against the rule of the majority ?
We used that method in the Senate, Congress supreme court the X factor you name it.
And btw California is the biggest economy and best state of the union, Alabama, Mississippi, north Dakota, etc....are is less states.

Our corrupt and dying cities are rife with voter fraud and intimidation. The healthy part of our country doesn't want to be ruled by the diseased part and that's exactly what abolishing the electoral college would do.

California had it's hay day when Ronald Reagan was Governor and California has been downhill ever since.

How is that ? California has the biggest e onomy and outpaced the national GDP .

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

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There is simply no such thing as "democrat [sic] states". Or even "Democrat states". Nor is there such a thing as "Republican states". NO STATE ANYWHERE is a monolith. There are no "red states", no "blue states", no "battleground states". ***ALL*** of these are artificial and bullshit concepts created by the WTA-EC, without which said bullshit concepts cease to exist, along with the divisiveness that comes with them, and good fucking riddance.

Lessee: California and New York have voted Blue since 1992. That is 31 years since they elected a republican. Let me know the next time they vote GOP again. These are BLUE STATES now, by design, no matter how you want to spin it.

2019-1992=27

How did you get 31?

Simple "school teacher with a masters degree." I was referring to the four years earlier (if you read) when the last time was these states DID vote red! Neither state has voted red since Reagan's second term! And we know Ca only voted for him then because he had been a popular governor and proactive actor there. Further proof why public school kids are in the fucking dumper these days. And despite the fact that a large part of Ca is still red and most of NYS, SanFran democrats and NYC dems have so over run their states, these people no longer have any voice in their state elections! I know---- I know many who live there.

You should learn to write, dumbass!

You said 1992. If you meant 1988 you should have said so. What a fucking moron!

HEY JACKASS. I DID SAY SO. LEARN TO FUCKING READ. THEN SHUT THE HELL UP, PINHEAD. I'LL SAY IT AGAIN THAT EVEN A DOLT LIKE YOU WILL GET IT:

Lessee: California and New York have voted Blue since 1992. That is 31 years since they elected a republican.

The number you used was 1992, true or false?

Moron!

You are so stupid you don't even realize you are stupid!

 

[toobfreak]

Lessee: California and New York have voted Blue since 1992. That is 31 years since they elected a republican. Let me know the next time they vote GOP again. These are BLUE STATES now, by design, no matter how you want to spin it.

2019-1992=27

How did you get 31?

Simple "school teacher with a masters degree." I was referring to the four years earlier (if you read) when the last time was these states DID vote red! Neither state has voted red since Reagan's second term! And we know Ca only voted for him then because he had been a popular governor and proactive actor there. Further proof why public school kids are in the fucking dumper these days. And despite the fact that a large part of Ca is still red and most of NYS, SanFran democrats and NYC dems have so over run their states, these people no longer have any voice in their state elections! I know---- I know many who live there.

You should learn to write, dumbass!

You said 1992. If you meant 1988 you should have said so. What a fucking moron!

HEY JACKASS. I DID SAY SO. LEARN TO FUCKING READ. THEN SHUT THE HELL UP, PINHEAD. I'LL SAY IT AGAIN THAT EVEN A DOLT LIKE YOU WILL GET IT:

Lessee: California and New York have voted Blue since 1992. That is 31 years since they elected a republican.

The number you used was 1992, true or false?

Moron!

You are so stupid you don't even realize you are stupid!

What's scary is that you claim to have a masters degree and educate our children.

 

[22lcidw]

Yes let's have Mexifornia elect Democratic Presidents for the next 50 years. That is the Liberal wet dream of abolishing the E.C.

Why are you against the rule of the majority ?
We used that method in the Senate, Congress supreme court the X factor you name it.
And btw California is the biggest economy and best state of the union, Alabama, Mississippi, north Dakota, etc....are is less states.

Our corrupt and dying cities are rife with voter fraud and intimidation. The healthy part of our country doesn't want to be ruled by the diseased part and that's exactly what abolishing the electoral college would do.

California had it's hay day when Ronald Reagan was Governor and California has been downhill ever since.

How is that ? California has the biggest e onomy and outpaced the national GDP .

Location helps. Lets build the Costa Rican canal and reduce the free money at west coast ports to start.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

2019-1992=27

How did you get 31?

Simple "school teacher with a masters degree." I was referring to the four years earlier (if you read) when the last time was these states DID vote red! Neither state has voted red since Reagan's second term! And we know Ca only voted for him then because he had been a popular governor and proactive actor there. Further proof why public school kids are in the fucking dumper these days. And despite the fact that a large part of Ca is still red and most of NYS, SanFran democrats and NYC dems have so over run their states, these people no longer have any voice in their state elections! I know---- I know many who live there.

You should learn to write, dumbass!

You said 1992. If you meant 1988 you should have said so. What a fucking moron!

HEY JACKASS. I DID SAY SO. LEARN TO FUCKING READ. THEN SHUT THE HELL UP, PINHEAD. I'LL SAY IT AGAIN THAT EVEN A DOLT LIKE YOU WILL GET IT:

Lessee: California and New York have voted Blue since 1992. That is 31 years since they elected a republican.

The number you used was 1992, true or false?

Moron!

You are so stupid you don't even realize you are stupid!

What's scary is that you claim to have a masters degree and educate our children.

No. What is really scary is that you are spreading stupid like it was fertilizer. Why can't you man up and admit you fucked up and salvage a little self respect?

 

[Issa]

Yes let's have Mexifornia elect Democratic Presidents for the next 50 years. That is the Liberal wet dream of abolishing the E.C.

Why are you against the rule of the majority ?
We used that method in the Senate, Congress supreme court the X factor you name it.
And btw California is the biggest economy and best state of the union, Alabama, Mississippi, north Dakota, etc....are is less states.

Our corrupt and dying cities are rife with voter fraud and intimidation. The healthy part of our country doesn't want to be ruled by the diseased part and that's exactly what abolishing the electoral college would do.

California had it's hay day when Ronald Reagan was Governor and California has been downhill ever since.

How is that ? California has the biggest e onomy and outpaced the national GDP .

Location helps. Lets build the Costa Rican canal and reduce the free money at west coast ports to start.

Location or no California is the best state and the most important.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Our beloved orange suprem leader said this about the electoral college:

Conversation Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy. 8:45 PM · Nov 6, 2012 · Twitter Web Client

Do you stupid trumpanzees know better than your leader?

"But TTTTRRRRRUUUUMMMMPPPPP!!!!!"

The battle cry of all utterly lost and ignorant arguments.

Trump said the electoral college is a disaster...do you know better than him ?

Are you such a fucking sheep that you feel obligated to believe something is correct just because XYZ famous person said it?

If you have an argument against the EC, make it. If all you have is, "Well, you have to hate it, because so-and-so told you to", then just save us all some time, admit you're a moron who can't think for himself and can't understand people who do, and let us move on to someone worth talking to.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I'm for leaving it as it is now that allows the states to decide how they want to determine their electors. I'd vote against a state legislator candidate that favors the determination be based on national popular vote.

The new trend is the "clever" Democrats trying to use states' rights to do an end run around the Constitution AND individual voting rights by having states declare that they will ignore the vote outcomes of their own population, and give their electors to whomever OTHER states vote for.

I expect to see a court challenge against state legislatures disenfranchising their own constituents any day now.

There is nothing in the Constitution that requires how states must choose their electors and so it would be quite legal for each of the states in their wisdom to decide they'll allow you or I to select their electors for them. We already have Maine and Nebraska going the congressional district route as opposed to winner-take-all. Plus in 2016 we had 7 electors from other states that took it upon themselves to cast votes not in accordance with their state's vote. I was able to vote back in 1972 only because of the Constitution amendment lowering the voting age to 18. I looked up the amendment this week and saw that while it gave me the right to vote in any election, it did not require the state to actually hold an election.

The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
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Basically I believe you're stuck talking common sense about how things should be. I'm just cautioning that those that wish not to be disenfranchised best be proactive and not assume the courts will handle it.

I'm aware that the Constitution gives states the power to decide how their electors are allocated, but thank you so very much for "helpfully" providing me a long lecture on it anyway.

Perhaps if you had taken a moment to read and think about my post, rather than just kneejerking to "Aha, here's something I can condescend about!" you'd have noticed that my post mentioned voting rights and disenfranchisement. It's almost like THAT was what I was talking about, and not anything at all to do with "They don't have the power to allocate electors!"

Come back when you have response to my post that actually responds to my post.

Excuse me, I just mistakenly gave you credit for understanding that if a state declares they're going to select electors based on the national, not state's, popular vote then nobody is losing their voting rights or being disenfranchised.

Excuse me, I mistakenly gave you credit for reading posts before responding to them. And then I realized I overestimated you and corrected it.

Now, did you have a response to what I actually said, or did you just want to pussyache at me that I didn't give you the respect you thought you deserved but didn't actually earn?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Excuse me, I just mistakenly gave you credit for understanding that if a state declares they're going to select electors based on the national, not state's, popular vote then nobody is losing their voting rights or being disenfranchised.

Yes they are the State loses its vote if that State in fact voted for the other guy.

There is no loss of franchise nor voting rights. Everybody's vote is being counted and the tally is included in the national totals. It isn't a system I'm in favor of, which is why I'm being proactive and cautioning those taking the attitude it can't happen.

You should change your name, because 2 cents for your opinion is gross overcharging.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Why are you against the rule of the majority ?
We used that method in the Senate, Congress supreme court the X factor you name it.
And btw California is the biggest economy and best state of the union, Alabama, Mississippi, north Dakota, etc....are is less states.

Our corrupt and dying cities are rife with voter fraud and intimidation. The healthy part of our country doesn't want to be ruled by the diseased part and that's exactly what abolishing the electoral college would do.

California had it's hay day when Ronald Reagan was Governor and California has been downhill ever since.

How is that ? California has the biggest e onomy and outpaced the national GDP .

Location helps. Lets build the Costa Rican canal and reduce the free money at west coast ports to start.

Location or no California is the best state and the most important.

Only to you. You might want to get out of the land of fruits and nuts every once in a while and realize just how unimportant and annoying you are to the rest of the country (and yes, there actually is a "rest of the country" that doesn't give a rat's ass about Californians, beyond wishing we could stop your fleeing refugees from invading our states).