EU hits back at Trump - targets goods from Republican areas

[Tommy Tainant]

http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2018/may/tradoc_156909.pdf

This is the list of goods that the EU has imposed tariffs on.

Motor bikes to motor boats, orange juice, clothing,cranberries,rice,sweetcorn and on and on and on.

And now Japan joins forces with Europe to kick that cretins flabby arse.

Trump Unites U.S. Allies — in Opposition to His Trade Policies

“Japan and the EU will team up on this issue and call on cooperation from other countries,” Japanese Trade Minister Hiroshige Seko told reporters Tuesday. Mr. Seko noted that Japan and the EU had issued a statement critical of the U.S. after he and EU Trade Commissioner Cecillia Malmström met in Paris last week. “This is an unusual step,” he said.

I saw an article this week whch attributed much of Americas economic performance to increased export growth. Well done Donny you fuckin muppet.

Of all the EU exports to the entire world, 22% of them or over 1/5 are shipped and sold to the US.

Of all the USA exports to the entire world, only 8% are shipped to all the EU countries combined.

We will see who hurts first. these are the facts for 2017

Example; We charge you 2.5% of value to ships cars here, you charge us 29% of value to ship cars there.

We have a 146 billion trade deficit with the EU, Fix it.

I have seen a figure of around 10% which is a big difference.

 

[flewism]

http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2018/may/tradoc_156909.pdf

This is the list of goods that the EU has imposed tariffs on.

Motor bikes to motor boats, orange juice, clothing,cranberries,rice,sweetcorn and on and on and on.

And now Japan joins forces with Europe to kick that cretins flabby arse.

Trump Unites U.S. Allies — in Opposition to His Trade Policies

“Japan and the EU will team up on this issue and call on cooperation from other countries,” Japanese Trade Minister Hiroshige Seko told reporters Tuesday. Mr. Seko noted that Japan and the EU had issued a statement critical of the U.S. after he and EU Trade Commissioner Cecillia Malmström met in Paris last week. “This is an unusual step,” he said.

I saw an article this week whch attributed much of Americas economic performance to increased export growth. Well done Donny you fuckin muppet.

Of all the EU exports to the entire world, 22% of them or over 1/5 are shipped and sold to the US.

Of all the USA exports to the entire world, only 8% are shipped to all the EU countries combined.

We will see who hurts first. these are the facts for 2017

Example; We charge you 2.5% of value to ships cars here, you charge us 29% of value to ship cars there.

We have a 146 billion trade deficit with the EU, Fix it.

I have seen a figure of around 10% which is a big difference.

What is this 10% you allude to?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why Trump's threat to tax European cars won't work

Experts said negotiations with the EU could yield better results. Cars built in America currently face a 10% tariff when they enter the EU, while vehicles shipped from Europe to the US are charged 2.5%.

Tariffs would do nothing to make US cars more competitive in European markets. But getting the EU to drop its tariffs below 10% would help American models appear more competitive.

Ive also seen the same figure in EU documents. Where did you get the 29% from ?

 

[flewism]

Why Trump's threat to tax European cars won't work

Experts said negotiations with the EU could yield better results. Cars built in America currently face a 10% tariff when they enter the EU, while vehicles shipped from Europe to the US are charged 2.5%.

Tariffs would do nothing to make US cars more competitive in European markets. But getting the EU to drop its tariffs below 10% would help American models appear more competitive.

Ive also seen the same figure in EU documents. Where did you get the 29% from ?

The UK has a 10% of value ,duty tax , and a 20% VAT "value added tax" on vehicles import from the USA

Importing a car from outside the EU. A car or other motor vehicle imported to Germany from outside the EU is normally subject to a 10% import duty and a 19% import value added tax. (The value-added tax on imports is called import turnover tax (Einfuhrumsatzsteuer).

How To Germany - Importing a Car Into Germany

I'm leaving but we can talk about other product tomorrow.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Why Trump's threat to tax European cars won't work

Experts said negotiations with the EU could yield better results. Cars built in America currently face a 10% tariff when they enter the EU, while vehicles shipped from Europe to the US are charged 2.5%.

Tariffs would do nothing to make US cars more competitive in European markets. But getting the EU to drop its tariffs below 10% would help American models appear more competitive.

Ive also seen the same figure in EU documents. Where did you get the 29% from ?

The UK has a 10% of value ,duty tax , and a 20% VAT "value added tax" on vehicles import from the USA

Importing a car from outside the EU. A car or other motor vehicle imported to Germany from outside the EU is normally subject to a 10% import duty and a 19% import value added tax. (The value-added tax on imports is called import turnover tax (Einfuhrumsatzsteuer).

How To Germany - Importing a Car Into Germany

I'm leaving but we can talk about other product tomorrow.

I see where you got that figure from, thank you.
However it is not a tax on imported cars. VAT is charged at that rate on all cars, domestic and imported.US products are not disadvantaged by this.

 

[zaangalewa]

The EU is a fcking joke.

Ha! Ha, I remember that Europe absolutely wanted to counter the USA with the Euro becoming a power but what they really did against the USA is really to boycott American products in addition to the Euro while France and Germany should not be surprised at the return of the medal by annoying the giant he woke up

We woke up no idiot. You make this nonsense on your own. The reaction strategy of the EU "tit-for-tat" is always one of the best strategies in case of such a conflict. The problem are the US-American sanctions against Europe, against European companies and against citizens of Europe. Your giant - better to say "Moloch" - is indeed the system of injustice of the USA, which follows not any longer the rules of the enlightenment, although your nation is a child of the European enlightenment. The USA ignores the categorical imperative of Immanuel Kant. The USA likes always to have better international rules for the own people than for all other people in the world. And meanwhile it looks like the USA is not able to agree on any international theme with anyone else in the world any longer. You made yourself to your own international god - and what we see is an international ignorant idiot.

 

[Decus]

The EU is a fcking joke.

Ha! Ha, I remember that Europe absolutely wanted to counter the USA with the Euro becoming a power but what they really did against the USA is really to boycott American products in addition to the Euro while France and Germany should not be surprised at the return of the medal by annoying the giant he woke up

We woke up no idiot. You make this nonsense on your own. The reaction strategy of the EU "tit-for-tat" is always one of the best strategies in case of such a conflict. The problem are the US-American sanctions against Europe, against European companies and against citizens of Europe. Your giant - better to say "Moloch" - is indeed the system of injustice of the USA, which follows not any longer the rules of the enlightenment, although your nation is a child of the European enlightenment. The USA ignores the categorical imperative of Immanuel Kant. The USA likes always to have better international rules for the own people than for all other people in the world. And meanwhile it looks like the USA is not able to agree on any international theme with anyone else in the world any longer. You made yourself to your own international god - and what we see is an international ignorant idiot.

Hard to argue with your statement as it is little more than an emotional appeal wrapped in pseudo-philosophical babble. Try putting together some numbers and leave your hate at the door.

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[zaangalewa]

The EU is a fcking joke.

Ha! Ha, I remember that Europe absolutely wanted to counter the USA with the Euro becoming a power but what they really did against the USA is really to boycott American products in addition to the Euro while France and Germany should not be surprised at the return of the medal by annoying the giant he woke up

We woke up no idiot. You make this nonsense on your own. The reaction strategy of the EU "tit-for-tat" is always one of the best strategies in case of such a conflict. The problem are the US-American sanctions against Europe, against European companies and against citizens of Europe. Your giant - better to say "Moloch" - is indeed the system of injustice of the USA, which follows not any longer the rules of the enlightenment, although your nation is a child of the European enlightenment. The USA ignores the categorical imperative of Immanuel Kant. The USA likes always to have better international rules for the own people than for all other people in the world. And meanwhile it looks like the USA is not able to agree on any international theme with anyone else in the world any longer. You made yourself to your own international god - and what we see is an international ignorant idiot.

Hard to argue with your statement as it is little more than an emotional appeal wrapped in pseudo-philosophical babble. Try putting together some numbers and leave your hate at the door.

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Is everything "hate" what shows to you your nation is on the wrong way to hell? Trump stopped the proceedings of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP). That's the way how to solve problems of different tariffs. He ignores NAFTA (Mexico and Canada) too. He's not interested in any real solution of the impertinent nonsense which he says and decides.

It's not "hard to argue" - there's nothing to argue at all with Donald Trump, because what he says today is tomorrow "forgotten". Nothing what he is and says has only a little to do with a respectable man, who knows, what he is speaking about.

 

[theHawk]

EU plans to hit U.S. imports with duties from July

EU members have given broad support to a European Commission plan to set 25 percent duties on up to 2.8 billion euros (2.4 billion pounds) of U.S. exports in response to what is sees as illegal U.S. action. EU exports that are now subject to U.S. tariffs are worth 6.4 billion euros.

“The Commission expects to conclude the relevant procedure in coordination with member states before the end of June so that the new duties start applying in July,” Commissioner Maros Sefcovic told a news conference on Wednesday after he and other commissioners endorsed the plan for duties on U.S. imports.

And

U.S. products on the list include orange juice, bourbon, jeans, motorcycles and a variety of steel products.

But it isnt just Europe.

The European Union, Canada and Mexico have all responded after U.S. President Donald Trump last Friday ended their exemptions from tariffs of 25 percent for steel and 10 percent for aluminium.

Canada has announced it will impose retaliatory tariffs on C$16.6 billion ($12.9 billion) worth of U.S. exports from July 1. Mexico put tariffs on American products ranging from steel to pork and bourbon on Tuesday

But this is the bit that made me chuckle.

Some of the products chosen are designed to target states of senior Republicans who are seeking to retain control of both chambers of Congress in hotly contested November elections.

Trade Wars are easy to win ?

You will lose your jobs and pay more for the goods you buy. #maga

Funny how you progressives claim that tariffs don’t work, yet you don’t criticize the EU for its tariffs. It’s just all “Trump’s fault”.

The US used tariffs successfully like every other nation for most of our history. It was only after WWII when the US dropped tariffs, simply because all our competitors’s economies were destroyed.

You idiots still think we are living in the 1950’s when the US was the only real economic super power. The reality is countries like Japan, China, Germany and most others have completely rebuilt and have had strong economies for decades.

Time for us to recognize that and adjust accordingly. We need protectionism just like any other country.

 

[IsaacNewton]

EU plans to hit U.S. imports with duties from July

EU members have given broad support to a European Commission plan to set 25 percent duties on up to 2.8 billion euros (2.4 billion pounds) of U.S. exports in response to what is sees as illegal U.S. action. EU exports that are now subject to U.S. tariffs are worth 6.4 billion euros.

“The Commission expects to conclude the relevant procedure in coordination with member states before the end of June so that the new duties start applying in July,” Commissioner Maros Sefcovic told a news conference on Wednesday after he and other commissioners endorsed the plan for duties on U.S. imports.

And

U.S. products on the list include orange juice, bourbon, jeans, motorcycles and a variety of steel products.

But it isnt just Europe.

The European Union, Canada and Mexico have all responded after U.S. President Donald Trump last Friday ended their exemptions from tariffs of 25 percent for steel and 10 percent for aluminium.

Canada has announced it will impose retaliatory tariffs on C$16.6 billion ($12.9 billion) worth of U.S. exports from July 1. Mexico put tariffs on American products ranging from steel to pork and bourbon on Tuesday

But this is the bit that made me chuckle.

Some of the products chosen are designed to target states of senior Republicans who are seeking to retain control of both chambers of Congress in hotly contested November elections.

Trade Wars are easy to win ?

You will lose your jobs and pay more for the goods you buy. #maga

That's so good that they are targeting Republican areas with Tariffs. Payback is a bitch idn'it. Like to seel corn overseas? Yeah well it was fun while it lasted.

 

[Dalia]

The EU is a fcking joke.

Ha! Ha, I remember that Europe absolutely wanted to counter the USA with the Euro becoming a power but what they really did against the USA is really to boycott American products in addition to the Euro while France and Germany should not be surprised at the return of the medal by annoying the giant he woke up

We woke up no idiot. You make this nonsense on your own. The reaction strategy of the EU "tit-for-tat" is always one of the best strategies in case of such a conflict. The problem are the US-American sanctions against Europe, against European companies and against citizens of Europe. Your giant - better to say "Moloch" - is indeed the system of injustice of the USA, which follows not any longer the rules of the enlightenment, although your nation is a child of the European enlightenment. The USA ignores the categorical imperative of Immanuel Kant. The USA likes always to have better international rules for the own people than for all other people in the world. And meanwhile it looks like the USA is not able to agree on any international theme with anyone else in the world any longer. You made yourself to your own international god - and what we see is an international ignorant idiot.

Hard to argue with your statement as it is little more than an emotional appeal wrapped in pseudo-philosophical babble. Try putting together some numbers and leave your hate at the door.

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It's a crap speudo and a crappy attitude. even here in France on BFM tv people say it on the end of there lip that Trump does what he promised before his election so he is elected, he is the President and he keeps his promises

 

[deanrd]

The EU is a fcking joke.

That's just ignorance speaking. It comes from Miss No Nothing.

Individually, none of the countries in the EU come close to the economy of the US. But the EU, economically, because of the lack of trade barriers functions as one economy with over 500 million people. More than the US but less than China. Anyone who thinks the US can go it alone is in for a rude awakening. The same for anyone who thinks the US is the only game in town.

China Is the World's Largest Economy for Third Year in a Row

In 2017, China was the world's largest economy for the third year in a row. It produced $23.1 trillion in economic output according to World Factbook The European Union was in second place, generating $19.9 trillion. Together, China and the EU generate 33.9 percent of the world's economic output of $127 trillion.

The United States remained at third place, producing $19.4 trillion. The world's three largest economies combined produced $62.4 trillion.

 

[zaangalewa]

The EU is a fcking joke.

Ha! Ha, I remember that Europe absolutely wanted to counter the USA with the Euro becoming a power but what they really did against the USA is really to boycott American products in addition to the Euro while France and Germany should not be surprised at the return of the medal by annoying the giant he woke up

We woke up no idiot. You make this nonsense on your own. The reaction strategy of the EU "tit-for-tat" is always one of the best strategies in case of such a conflict. The problem are the US-American sanctions against Europe, against European companies and against citizens of Europe. Your giant - better to say "Moloch" - is indeed the system of injustice of the USA, which follows not any longer the rules of the enlightenment, although your nation is a child of the European enlightenment. The USA ignores the categorical imperative of Immanuel Kant. The USA likes always to have better international rules for the own people than for all other people in the world. And meanwhile it looks like the USA is not able to agree on any international theme with anyone else in the world any longer. You made yourself to your own international god - and what we see is an international ignorant idiot.

Hard to argue with your statement as it is little more than an emotional appeal wrapped in pseudo-philosophical babble. Try putting together some numbers and leave your hate at the door.

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It's a crap speudo and a crappy attitude. even here in France on BFM tv people say it on the end of there lip that Trump does what he promised before his election so he is elected, he is the President and he keeps his promises

Trump promised for example he will not stop with sanctions against Europe until he will not see in New York a Mercedes Benz any longer.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

EU plans to hit U.S. imports with duties from July

EU members have given broad support to a European Commission plan to set 25 percent duties on up to 2.8 billion euros (2.4 billion pounds) of U.S. exports in response to what is sees as illegal U.S. action. EU exports that are now subject to U.S. tariffs are worth 6.4 billion euros.

“The Commission expects to conclude the relevant procedure in coordination with member states before the end of June so that the new duties start applying in July,” Commissioner Maros Sefcovic told a news conference on Wednesday after he and other commissioners endorsed the plan for duties on U.S. imports.

And

U.S. products on the list include orange juice, bourbon, jeans, motorcycles and a variety of steel products.

But it isnt just Europe.

The European Union, Canada and Mexico have all responded after U.S. President Donald Trump last Friday ended their exemptions from tariffs of 25 percent for steel and 10 percent for aluminium.

Canada has announced it will impose retaliatory tariffs on C$16.6 billion ($12.9 billion) worth of U.S. exports from July 1. Mexico put tariffs on American products ranging from steel to pork and bourbon on Tuesday

But this is the bit that made me chuckle.

Some of the products chosen are designed to target states of senior Republicans who are seeking to retain control of both chambers of Congress in hotly contested November elections.

Trade Wars are easy to win ?

You will lose your jobs and pay more for the goods you buy. #maga

Funny how you progressives claim that tariffs don’t work, yet you don’t criticize the EU for its tariffs. It’s just all “Trump’s fault”.

The US used tariffs successfully like every other nation for most of our history. It was only after WWII when the US dropped tariffs, simply because all our competitors’s economies were destroyed.

You idiots still think we are living in the 1950’s when the US was the only real economic super power. The reality is countries like Japan, China, Germany and most others have completely rebuilt and have had strong economies for decades.

Time for us to recognize that and adjust accordingly. We need protectionism just like any other country.

The complexities of modern trade are way over trumps head and definitely over yours. Trump is turning on the likes of BMW.

The same BMW who have their biggest plant in...........South Carolina where they make 70,000 Beamers a year. Many of these are exported and contribute to the US balance of payments.

I think that bozo has a legitimate beef against China but rather than build a consensus he decided to piss off the rest of the world.
Protectionism is for countries that cant cope. It also highlights the great inequality in the world.

 

[theHawk]

EU plans to hit U.S. imports with duties from July

EU members have given broad support to a European Commission plan to set 25 percent duties on up to 2.8 billion euros (2.4 billion pounds) of U.S. exports in response to what is sees as illegal U.S. action. EU exports that are now subject to U.S. tariffs are worth 6.4 billion euros.

“The Commission expects to conclude the relevant procedure in coordination with member states before the end of June so that the new duties start applying in July,” Commissioner Maros Sefcovic told a news conference on Wednesday after he and other commissioners endorsed the plan for duties on U.S. imports.

And

U.S. products on the list include orange juice, bourbon, jeans, motorcycles and a variety of steel products.

But it isnt just Europe.

The European Union, Canada and Mexico have all responded after U.S. President Donald Trump last Friday ended their exemptions from tariffs of 25 percent for steel and 10 percent for aluminium.

Canada has announced it will impose retaliatory tariffs on C$16.6 billion ($12.9 billion) worth of U.S. exports from July 1. Mexico put tariffs on American products ranging from steel to pork and bourbon on Tuesday

But this is the bit that made me chuckle.

Some of the products chosen are designed to target states of senior Republicans who are seeking to retain control of both chambers of Congress in hotly contested November elections.

Trade Wars are easy to win ?

You will lose your jobs and pay more for the goods you buy. #maga

Funny how you progressives claim that tariffs don’t work, yet you don’t criticize the EU for its tariffs. It’s just all “Trump’s fault”.

The US used tariffs successfully like every other nation for most of our history. It was only after WWII when the US dropped tariffs, simply because all our competitors’s economies were destroyed.

You idiots still think we are living in the 1950’s when the US was the only real economic super power. The reality is countries like Japan, China, Germany and most others have completely rebuilt and have had strong economies for decades.

Time for us to recognize that and adjust accordingly. We need protectionism just like any other country.

The complexities of modern trade are way over trumps head and definitely over yours. Trump is turning on the likes of BMW.

The same BMW who have their biggest plant in...........South Carolina where they make 70,000 Beamers a year. Many of these are exported and contribute to the US balance of payments.

I think that bozo has a legitimate beef against China but rather than build a consensus he decided to piss off the rest of the world.
Protectionism is for countries that cant cope. It also highlights the great inequality in the world.

Funny how you completely ignored the fact that the EU uses tariffs and protectionism, which makes the rest of your argument inconsequential.

 

[Toro]

EU plans to hit U.S. imports with duties from July

EU members have given broad support to a European Commission plan to set 25 percent duties on up to 2.8 billion euros (2.4 billion pounds) of U.S. exports in response to what is sees as illegal U.S. action. EU exports that are now subject to U.S. tariffs are worth 6.4 billion euros.

“The Commission expects to conclude the relevant procedure in coordination with member states before the end of June so that the new duties start applying in July,” Commissioner Maros Sefcovic told a news conference on Wednesday after he and other commissioners endorsed the plan for duties on U.S. imports.

And

U.S. products on the list include orange juice, bourbon, jeans, motorcycles and a variety of steel products.

But it isnt just Europe.

The European Union, Canada and Mexico have all responded after U.S. President Donald Trump last Friday ended their exemptions from tariffs of 25 percent for steel and 10 percent for aluminium.

Canada has announced it will impose retaliatory tariffs on C$16.6 billion ($12.9 billion) worth of U.S. exports from July 1. Mexico put tariffs on American products ranging from steel to pork and bourbon on Tuesday

But this is the bit that made me chuckle.

Some of the products chosen are designed to target states of senior Republicans who are seeking to retain control of both chambers of Congress in hotly contested November elections.

Trade Wars are easy to win ?

You will lose your jobs and pay more for the goods you buy. #maga

Funny how you progressives claim that tariffs don’t work, yet you don’t criticize the EU for its tariffs. It’s just all “Trump’s fault”.

The US used tariffs successfully like every other nation for most of our history. It was only after WWII when the US dropped tariffs, simply because all our competitors’s economies were destroyed.

You idiots still think we are living in the 1950’s when the US was the only real economic super power. The reality is countries like Japan, China, Germany and most others have completely rebuilt and have had strong economies for decades.

Time for us to recognize that and adjust accordingly. We need protectionism just like any other country.

False.

The average trade tax, ie. tariff, globally at the end of WWII was ~40%. Today, it is about 5%.

Trade taxes were lowered after WWII because countries around the world began raising trade taxes around 1900, and over those 50 years, trade and economic linkages were broken, contributing to the greatest economic crisis in history and two world wars. The increased trade taxes before the wars were driven nationalists and other economic illiterates who believed that they didn't need to engage the world and could produce what they needed in their own countries. After the war, the only places that didn't lower tariffs broadly, where communists and other far leftists, as well as populist tinpot dictators in the third world.

And now, Trump and his poorly educated worshippers also believe it.

Conservative leaders and thinkers of the past such as Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and Milton Friedman would be embarrassed by the so-called "conservative" movement today who are advocating more statist government interference and higher taxes in the economy.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The one thing to know about these trade wars. Everyone cheats. That's why Russia never cared.

 

[Political Junky]

EU plans to hit U.S. imports with duties from July

EU members have given broad support to a European Commission plan to set 25 percent duties on up to 2.8 billion euros (2.4 billion pounds) of U.S. exports in response to what is sees as illegal U.S. action. EU exports that are now subject to U.S. tariffs are worth 6.4 billion euros.

“The Commission expects to conclude the relevant procedure in coordination with member states before the end of June so that the new duties start applying in July,” Commissioner Maros Sefcovic told a news conference on Wednesday after he and other commissioners endorsed the plan for duties on U.S. imports.

And

U.S. products on the list include orange juice, bourbon, jeans, motorcycles and a variety of steel products.

But it isnt just Europe.

The European Union, Canada and Mexico have all responded after U.S. President Donald Trump last Friday ended their exemptions from tariffs of 25 percent for steel and 10 percent for aluminium.

Canada has announced it will impose retaliatory tariffs on C$16.6 billion ($12.9 billion) worth of U.S. exports from July 1. Mexico put tariffs on American products ranging from steel to pork and bourbon on Tuesday

But this is the bit that made me chuckle.

Some of the products chosen are designed to target states of senior Republicans who are seeking to retain control of both chambers of Congress in hotly contested November elections.

Trade Wars are easy to win ?

You will lose your jobs and pay more for the goods you buy. #maga

 

[Toro]

The one thing to know about these trade wars. Everyone cheats. That's why Russia never cared.

Nobody gives a shit about Russia economically.

 

[Political Junky]

The one thing to know about these trade wars. Everyone cheats. That's why Russia never cared.

Russia is getting what the wanted.