Even Jesus lost confidence in God

[daws101]

Cause you're just so much more smarter than the rest of us, right???? You don't believe in these silly fairytales that all of these silly christians do, right???

do you believe I'am smarter then you..?if not what you just said is a false assumption.
belief has nothing to do with it...there is no evidence that your fairy tales are anything other then fairy tales..
belief is not evidence of anything but belief.
is that too tough a concept for you to grasp?

Something had to have caused the big bang.
Science can not explain it.

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."

Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light."

The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.

We believe it was God. It says so in the Bible, in Genesis that God created the heavens & earth.
How do you explain the big bang daws - it did not just start from nothing.

believing god did it has no bearing on the event......and you're misquoting the big bang theory

The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the early development of the Universe.[1] According to the theory, the Big Bang occurred approximately 13.798 ± 0.037 billion years ago,[2][3][4][5][6] which is thus considered the age of the universe.[7][8][9][10] At this time, the Universe was in an extremely hot and dense state and began expanding rapidly. After the initial expansion, the Universe cooled sufficiently to allow energy to be converted into various subatomic particles, including protons, neutrons, and electrons. Though simple atomic nuclei formed within the first three minutes after the Big Bang, thousands of years passed before the first electrically neutral atoms formed. The majority of atoms that were produced by the Big Bang are hydrogen, along with helium and traces of lithium. Giant clouds of these primordial elements later coalesced through gravity to form stars and galaxies, and the heavier elements were synthesized either within stars or during supernovae.

 

[daws101]

do you believe I'am smarter then you..?if not what you just said is a false assumption.
belief has nothing to do with it...there is no evidence that your fairy tales are anything other then fairy tales..
belief is not evidence of anything but belief.
is that too tough a concept for you to grasp?

Only silly stupid people believe in fairy tales, right? You're too smart for that stuff!!

The biggest fairy tale in the universe is that there is no God. and He believes that without question.

wrong! there is no proof of god..therefore god must be a fairy tale.
why? Fairy tales require no proof.
also, you've made another false assumption I did and do question and still no god.if you're gonna talk shit at least have some idea of what you're talking about.

 

[daws101]

Oh, I'm an example of a lot of things, sweetie, you're just to narrow minded to understand that. You really need to broaden those tiny horizons of yours.

yes you are a fine example of pretentiousness self delusion etc..
I'm a lot of things you despise, being narrow minded is not one of them...

Lol says one of the most narrow minded individuals on the board.

this coming from a guy who's belief system is based on a fiction trilogy..written by a con man..is it just me or does that put a damper on his credibility?

 

[emilynghiem]

"Father, why have you forsaken me?" If the son of God even loses faith in God, how could anyone remain faithful, during such tormentful times of suffering? The age of tribulation is happening to millions upon millions. Evil is ramped. Hurricanes, tsunamis, tornadoes, wars, homelessness, famines, pestilence, epidemics, murders and crime are off the charts. And most that are sitting in front of their computers are not effected....yet. So it's easy to get used to seeing it in the media...just change the channel. "Their hearts will wax cold."

And if God forgave Jesus, would he really condemn us to hell?

Jesus said that when he returns, he will come out of the east on the clouds. The U.S. military is already preparing for the invasion.

by spiritual laws,
we find heaven/Kingdom of God where we forgive and receive forgiveness and live in spiritual peace and harmony

we find ourselves in hell, in karmic cycles of suffering where we choose not to forgive and refuse to ask for help to replace unforgiveness with divine forgiveness grace and charity

God made these laws, and by our human nature conscience and will we are designed to follow them

That is like assigning 2 + 2 to equal 4 where trying to make 2 + 1 make 4 will mess up all the other math and equations until you fix that error. God does not condemn us to suffer for our mistakes, but our refusal to forgive emotionally so we can correct things keeps us stuck in our self-induced misery and suffering when we want to fight to do things another way than what the system was designed to follow

 

[peach174]

do you believe I'am smarter then you..?if not what you just said is a false assumption.
belief has nothing to do with it...there is no evidence that your fairy tales are anything other then fairy tales..
belief is not evidence of anything but belief.
is that too tough a concept for you to grasp?

Something had to have caused the big bang.
Science can not explain it.

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."

Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light."

The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.

We believe it was God. It says so in the Bible, in Genesis that God created the heavens & earth.
How do you explain the big bang daws - it did not just start from nothing.

believing god did it has no bearing on the event......and you're misquoting the big bang theory

The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the early development of the Universe.[1] According to the theory, the Big Bang occurred approximately 13.798 ± 0.037 billion years ago,[2][3][4][5][6] which is thus considered the age of the universe.[7][8][9][10] At this time, the Universe was in an extremely hot and dense state and began expanding rapidly. After the initial expansion, the Universe cooled sufficiently to allow energy to be converted into various subatomic particles, including protons, neutrons, and electrons. Though simple atomic nuclei formed within the first three minutes after the Big Bang, thousands of years passed before the first electrically neutral atoms formed. The majority of atoms that were produced by the Big Bang are hydrogen, along with helium and traces of lithium. Giant clouds of these primordial elements later coalesced through gravity to form stars and galaxies, and the heavier elements were synthesized either within stars or during supernovae.

I am not the one who said it.
I quoted Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow and Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics.

You still have ignored the question of what caused the explosion.

 

[daws101]

Something had to have caused the big bang.
Science can not explain it.

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."

Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light."

The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.

We believe it was God. It says so in the Bible, in Genesis that God created the heavens & earth.
How do you explain the big bang daws - it did not just start from nothing.

believing god did it has no bearing on the event......and you're misquoting the big bang theory

The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the early development of the Universe.[1] According to the theory, the Big Bang occurred approximately 13.798 ± 0.037 billion years ago,[2][3][4][5][6] which is thus considered the age of the universe.[7][8][9][10] At this time, the Universe was in an extremely hot and dense state and began expanding rapidly. After the initial expansion, the Universe cooled sufficiently to allow energy to be converted into various subatomic particles, including protons, neutrons, and electrons. Though simple atomic nuclei formed within the first three minutes after the Big Bang, thousands of years passed before the first electrically neutral atoms formed. The majority of atoms that were produced by the Big Bang are hydrogen, along with helium and traces of lithium. Giant clouds of these primordial elements later coalesced through gravity to form stars and galaxies, and the heavier elements were synthesized either within stars or during supernovae.

I am not the one who said it.
I quoted Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow and Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics.

You still have ignored the question of what caused the explosion.

I guess you can't read "the Universe was in an extremely hot and dense state and began expanding rapidly."
there was no supernatural force behind it....

 

[westwall]

do you believe I'am smarter then you..?if not what you just said is a false assumption.
belief has nothing to do with it...there is no evidence that your fairy tales are anything other then fairy tales..
belief is not evidence of anything but belief.
is that too tough a concept for you to grasp?

Something had to have caused the big bang.
Science can not explain it.

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."

Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light."

The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.

We believe it was God. It says so in the Bible, in Genesis that God created the heavens & earth.
How do you explain the big bang daws - it did not just start from nothing.

believing god did it has no bearing on the event......and you're misquoting the big bang theory

The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the early development of the Universe.[1] According to the theory, the Big Bang occurred approximately 13.798 ± 0.037 billion years ago,[2][3][4][5][6] which is thus considered the age of the universe.[7][8][9][10] At this time, the Universe was in an extremely hot and dense state and began expanding rapidly. After the initial expansion, the Universe cooled sufficiently to allow energy to be converted into various subatomic particles, including protons, neutrons, and electrons. Though simple atomic nuclei formed within the first three minutes after the Big Bang, thousands of years passed before the first electrically neutral atoms formed. The majority of atoms that were produced by the Big Bang are hydrogen, along with helium and traces of lithium. Giant clouds of these primordial elements later coalesced through gravity to form stars and galaxies, and the heavier elements were synthesized either within stars or during supernovae.

Indeed it is. And the prevailing theory tells us that every atom in the universe, every one of the hundreds of billions of galaxies all originated from a singularity the size of a proton.

Now who is requiring "faith" to believe something?

 

[daws101]

Something had to have caused the big bang.
Science can not explain it.

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."

Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light."

The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.

We believe it was God. It says so in the Bible, in Genesis that God created the heavens & earth.
How do you explain the big bang daws - it did not just start from nothing.

believing god did it has no bearing on the event......and you're misquoting the big bang theory

The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the early development of the Universe.[1] According to the theory, the Big Bang occurred approximately 13.798 ± 0.037 billion years ago,[2][3][4][5][6] which is thus considered the age of the universe.[7][8][9][10] At this time, the Universe was in an extremely hot and dense state and began expanding rapidly. After the initial expansion, the Universe cooled sufficiently to allow energy to be converted into various subatomic particles, including protons, neutrons, and electrons. Though simple atomic nuclei formed within the first three minutes after the Big Bang, thousands of years passed before the first electrically neutral atoms formed. The majority of atoms that were produced by the Big Bang are hydrogen, along with helium and traces of lithium. Giant clouds of these primordial elements later coalesced through gravity to form stars and galaxies, and the heavier elements were synthesized either within stars or during supernovae.

Indeed it is. And the prevailing theory tells us that every atom in the universe, every one of the hundreds of billions of galaxies all originated from a singularity the size of a proton.

Now who is requiring "faith" to believe something?

YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY
THERE IS NOTHING IN THE LAWS OF PHYSICS that disproves that theory.
crediting it to an imaginary sky faerie is the ultimate act of faith. but fairy tales require no proof
reality does....and that makes all the difference.
thanks for playing!

 

[westwall]

believing god did it has no bearing on the event......and you're misquoting the big bang theory

The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the early development of the Universe.[1] According to the theory, the Big Bang occurred approximately 13.798 ± 0.037 billion years ago,[2][3][4][5][6] which is thus considered the age of the universe.[7][8][9][10] At this time, the Universe was in an extremely hot and dense state and began expanding rapidly. After the initial expansion, the Universe cooled sufficiently to allow energy to be converted into various subatomic particles, including protons, neutrons, and electrons. Though simple atomic nuclei formed within the first three minutes after the Big Bang, thousands of years passed before the first electrically neutral atoms formed. The majority of atoms that were produced by the Big Bang are hydrogen, along with helium and traces of lithium. Giant clouds of these primordial elements later coalesced through gravity to form stars and galaxies, and the heavier elements were synthesized either within stars or during supernovae.

Indeed it is. And the prevailing theory tells us that every atom in the universe, every one of the hundreds of billions of galaxies all originated from a singularity the size of a proton.

Now who is requiring "faith" to believe something?

YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY
THERE IS NOTHING IN THE LAWS OF PHYSICS that disproves that theory.
crediting it to an imaginary sky faerie is the ultimate act of faith. but fairy tales require no proof
reality does....and that makes all the difference.
thanks for playing!

"You guys"? There is NOTHING IN THE LAWS OF PHYSICS that prove it either. I'm an agnostic but I find your condescending attitude to be exceedingly tiresome. You're no better than any other poster here and worse than some.

The simple facts are these, there is no evidence to support the existence of God. Nor is there evidence to support the theory that all matter in the universe originated from a singularity. There is only a mathematical formula that isn't even complete, and it can only take us back to around 300,000 years AFTER the Big Bang.

Them's the facts. Faith is required for BOTH points of view.

 

[daws101]

Indeed it is. And the prevailing theory tells us that every atom in the universe, every one of the hundreds of billions of galaxies all originated from a singularity the size of a proton.

Now who is requiring "faith" to believe something?

YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY
THERE IS NOTHING IN THE LAWS OF PHYSICS that disproves that theory.
crediting it to an imaginary sky faerie is the ultimate act of faith. but fairy tales require no proof
reality does....and that makes all the difference.
thanks for playing!

"You guys"? There is NOTHING IN THE LAWS OF PHYSICS that prove it either. I'm an agnostic but I find your condescending attitude to be exceedingly tiresome. You're no better than any other poster here and worse than some.

The simple facts are these, there is no evidence to support the existence of God. Nor is there evidence to support the theory that all matter in the universe originated from a singularity. There is only a mathematical formula that isn't even complete, and it can only take us back to around 300,000 years AFTER the Big Bang.

Them's the facts. Faith is required for BOTH points of view.

I agree with most of that but...atheism is the absence faith so it 's the diametric opposite of faith.

 

[westwall]

YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY
THERE IS NOTHING IN THE LAWS OF PHYSICS that disproves that theory.
crediting it to an imaginary sky faerie is the ultimate act of faith. but fairy tales require no proof
reality does....and that makes all the difference.
thanks for playing!

"You guys"? There is NOTHING IN THE LAWS OF PHYSICS that prove it either. I'm an agnostic but I find your condescending attitude to be exceedingly tiresome. You're no better than any other poster here and worse than some.

The simple facts are these, there is no evidence to support the existence of God. Nor is there evidence to support the theory that all matter in the universe originated from a singularity. There is only a mathematical formula that isn't even complete, and it can only take us back to around 300,000 years AFTER the Big Bang.

Them's the facts. Faith is required for BOTH points of view.

I agree with most of that but...atheism is the absence faith so it 's the diametric opposite of faith.

It is not a question of religious faith to "believe" in the Big Bang theory. But it is still "faith". In the absence of facts, there can be only faith. It's just not religious.

 

[Avatar4321]

yes you are a fine example of pretentiousness self delusion etc..
I'm a lot of things you despise, being narrow minded is not one of them...

Lol says one of the most narrow minded individuals on the board.

this coming from a guy who's belief system is based on a fiction trilogy..written by a con man..is it just me or does that put a damper on his credibility?

Only one believing a con here is you, my friend.

 

[Drake_Roberts]

do you believe I'am smarter then you..?if not what you just said is a false assumption.
belief has nothing to do with it...there is no evidence that your fairy tales are anything other then fairy tales..
belief is not evidence of anything but belief.
is that too tough a concept for you to grasp?

Something had to have caused the big bang.
Science can not explain it.

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."

Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light."

The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.

We believe it was God. It says so in the Bible, in Genesis that God created the heavens & earth.
How do you explain the big bang daws - it did not just start from nothing.

believing god did it has no bearing on the event......and you're misquoting the big bang theory

The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the early development of the Universe.[1] According to the theory, the Big Bang occurred approximately 13.798 ± 0.037 billion years ago,[2][3][4][5][6] which is thus considered the age of the universe.[7][8][9][10] At this time, the Universe was in an extremely hot and dense state and began expanding rapidly. After the initial expansion, the Universe cooled sufficiently to allow energy to be converted into various subatomic particles, including protons, neutrons, and electrons. Though simple atomic nuclei formed within the first three minutes after the Big Bang, thousands of years passed before the first electrically neutral atoms formed. The majority of atoms that were produced by the Big Bang are hydrogen, along with helium and traces of lithium. Giant clouds of these primordial elements later coalesced through gravity to form stars and galaxies, and the heavier elements were synthesized either within stars or during supernovae.

Bit random, but...
according to science, matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed. If the universe is ever-expanding, where does that matter come from? And second, if the entire universe consisted of one dense sphere of gas, how did it have enough matter and energy within it to form ALL of the galaxies and everything within them?

 

[Drake_Roberts]

YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY
THERE IS NOTHING IN THE LAWS OF PHYSICS that disproves that theory.
crediting it to an imaginary sky faerie is the ultimate act of faith. but fairy tales require no proof
reality does....and that makes all the difference.
thanks for playing!

"You guys"? There is NOTHING IN THE LAWS OF PHYSICS that prove it either. I'm an agnostic but I find your condescending attitude to be exceedingly tiresome. You're no better than any other poster here and worse than some.

The simple facts are these, there is no evidence to support the existence of God. Nor is there evidence to support the theory that all matter in the universe originated from a singularity. There is only a mathematical formula that isn't even complete, and it can only take us back to around 300,000 years AFTER the Big Bang.

Them's the facts. Faith is required for BOTH points of view.

I agree with most of that but...atheism is the absence faith so it 's the diametric opposite of faith.

Or... atheism is the faith that there is no higher being or power, etc.

 

[tinydancer]

What do you want from Christ? He at this point in time is a man.

He gets the shit kicked out of him after a serious betrayal. Put on trial for jack shit. Then really really gets the shit kicked out of him. He gets hammered to a really big piece of wood that he first had to drag a couple of miles.

Now after getting really really big nails driven thru your body so you can hang on this thing called a cross oh and never forget getting pierced in your side you as a complete asshole in our century go that Christ questions his father?

How fucking nuts are you? Now I know I am a different kind of Christian. I'm pretty raw. But hell's bells what the hell do you want of Jesus?

It's not good enough that he was our Lamb and the penultimate sacrifice for all our sins? Give me a break.

He died for us.

 

[Drake_Roberts]

What do you want from Christ? He at this point in time is a man.

He gets the shit kicked out of him after a serious betrayal. Put on trial for jack shit. Then really really gets the shit kicked out of him. He gets hammered to a really big piece of wood that he first had to drag a couple of miles.

Now after getting really really big nails driven thru your body so you can hang on this thing called a cross oh and never forget getting pierced in your side you as a complete asshole in our century go that Christ questions his father?

How fucking nuts are you? Now I know I am a different kind of Christian. I'm pretty raw. But hell's bells what the hell do you want of Jesus?

It's not good enough that he was our Lamb and the penultimate sacrifice for all our sins? Give me a break.

He died for us.

According to Catholicism, he was fully God and man when he died on the cross, so to me that sorta takes his excuse.

 

[tinydancer]

What do you want from Christ? He at this point in time is a man.

He gets the shit kicked out of him after a serious betrayal. Put on trial for jack shit. Then really really gets the shit kicked out of him. He gets hammered to a really big piece of wood that he first had to drag a couple of miles.

Now after getting really really big nails driven thru your body so you can hang on this thing called a cross oh and never forget getting pierced in your side you as a complete asshole in our century go that Christ questions his father?

How fucking nuts are you? Now I know I am a different kind of Christian. I'm pretty raw. But hell's bells what the hell do you want of Jesus?

It's not good enough that he was our Lamb and the penultimate sacrifice for all our sins? Give me a break.

He died for us.

According to Catholicism, he was fully God and man when he died on the cross, so to me that sorta takes his excuse.

Having been someone who has been on a journey of faith for many years I can tell you are full of shit.

I was sitting in a classroom in History I do believe it was grade 10 when I found out the founder of my church started it so he didn't have to kill another wife. Henry. Anglican.

And then after journey to ixtlan and a couple of other ventures I thought I would upgrade to catholocism. I love the Church. And I believe in it deeply. And I know my scriptures though so well. And I am fully versed in Latin.

Please tell me where in any scripture Christ died as God.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Indeed it is. And the prevailing theory tells us that every atom in the universe, every one of the hundreds of billions of galaxies all originated from a singularity the size of a proton.

Now who is requiring "faith" to believe something?

YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY
THERE IS NOTHING IN THE LAWS OF PHYSICS that disproves that theory.
crediting it to an imaginary sky faerie is the ultimate act of faith. but fairy tales require no proof
reality does....and that makes all the difference.
thanks for playing!

"You guys"? There is NOTHING IN THE LAWS OF PHYSICS that prove it either. I'm an agnostic but I find your condescending attitude to be exceedingly tiresome. You're no better than any other poster here and worse than some.

The simple facts are these, there is no evidence to support the existence of God. Nor is there evidence to support the theory that all matter in the universe originated from a singularity. There is only a mathematical formula that isn't even complete, and it can only take us back to around 300,000 years AFTER the Big Bang.

Them's the facts. Faith is required for BOTH points of view.

HELLOOooo. There is evidence, there is evidence, there is evidence. Stop ignoring it. You can't tell me the finer points of tomorrow, and yet God can tell us specific events thousands of years in advance. And you ignore it. Stop ignoring it. We just discussed a psalm that described crucifixion hundreds of years before it was used as a form of execution. A thousand years before it happened, Christ's death was predicted IN DETAIL. Can you tell me the name of a man that will have His beard ripped out before He is executed? And the form of execution used to kill him in the year 3014? SOMEONE CAN AND DID. HOW? How can God do it and you can't? Letting us know He can see the end from the beginning and then proves it by telling us the end IS PROOF.

 

[tinydancer]

If you read the Word it's unreal. If you don't take a saturday special moment but hey that's good that some do.

But if you actually read the book it's crazy wild. And you get to really see where we have come from and believe it or not it rocks. There are parts that will have your hair standing on end. No guff.

 

[tinydancer]

OT should be PG 13. Aye carumba!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!