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ALTER2EGO -to- KONRADV:The problem is that most members of the Canidae family had diverged long before the time of Noah. If he didn't bring along all the different members of the family, we wouldn't see them today.
ALTER2EGO -to- AMRCHAOS:I did not know that the Earth was hanging.
ALTER2EGO -to- AMRCHAOS:Also funny, is that the concept that the Earth was flat was endorsed by Christians. The Christians also prosecuted people that suggested otherwise. Even calling them heretics and used punsihments from house arrest to burnings. Seem a bit strange that these christians did not read or misinterpretted the good book?
ALTER2EGO -to- AMRCHAOS:Also--Theories and speculations about the shape and form of our world came into existance long before Moses walked the Earth. Does that mean only the theories that were correct were god inspired? Or is it possible that different ideas were shared among different groups and the ones that were popular were added to the religion to give the religion weight on the scales of truth and falsehood?
I glanced at the OP and I just KNEW that YWC was going to show up to tell us how true it is that the bible predicts things the authors could not know, and that he was going to post that damn WALL OF TEXT showing examples of what he considers evidence of scientific knowledge by biblical authors.
Thanks YWC! You are predictably rude in your posting.
What I wanna know is how Noah kept 3200 orchid varieties, 11,000 birds(22,000, if you have male and female as the scripteth revealeth) and 8 million insects on his raft ?
We'll go after everything else later.
earth hangs upon nothing--indicating gravity
Bit of a stretch, don't you think?
the Earth hangs? Hangs from what?
What suspends the earth or any planet ?
How do you prove what you said in this post ?ALTER2EGO -to- DOUGER:What I wanna know is how Noah kept 3200 orchid varieties, 11,000 birds(22,000, if you have male and female as the scripteth revealeth) and 8 million insects on his raft ?
We'll go after everything else later.
All that was necessary was for Noah to collect one single KIND of orchid. All of the varieties came from that one kind. The same was true in the case of animals. Let's take dogs for example. Dogs belong to the wolf family. All that was required was for Noah to collect a male and female kind of wolf-like animal. From that one breeding pair, all the different breeds of dogs resulted, along with coyote, jackal. etc.
"And God went on to say: 'Let the earth cause grass to shoot forth, vegetation bearing seed, fruit trees yielding fruit according to their kinds, the seed of which is in it, upon the earth.' And it came to be so." (Genesis 1:11)
"And God went on to say: 'Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth according to its kind.' And it came to be so." (Genesis 1:24)
Was Noah's Ark big enough for all the animals?How MANY and what TYPE of animals did Noah's Ark carry?
How many and what type of animals would the ark have to carry? Many scoffers suggest that the ark would have been overloaded. They suggest that Noah would need to gather millions of different animals. Since there are millions of species of animals there would have been millions of animals on the ark! Is this true?
The word species and the Biblical word "kind" are often used interchangeably. This is incorrect since they are not synonymous. The Biblical word kind denotes an organism that reproduces others like itself. The species concept is much narrower than this; therefore many species can be included in a single Biblical "kind." The word kind is probably closer to the modern taxonomic unit of genus, and in some cases the larger taxonomic unit, family.
The Canidae (canine) family includes about 14 genera of dog like animals. These include the coyote, dog, wolf, jackal, etc. The ark did not have to contain the hundreds of species of canines that make up this group. In reality, these were all represented by a few "kind." These "kind" would then produce all the animals that make up the Canidae family. For example all of the hundreds of varieties of domestic pigeons that have all been produced originated from one species, the wild rock pigeon (Columbia livia).
The problem is that most members of the Canidae family had diverged long before the time of Noah. If he didn't bring along all the different members of the family, we wouldn't see them today.
What I wanna know is how Noah kept 3200 orchid varieties, 11,000 birds(22,000, if you have male and female as the scripteth revealeth) and 8 million insects on his raft ?
We'll go after everything else later.
You mean variations could not happen within a family through genetic information ? How do you know what existed at the time of Noah ?
the Earth hangs? Hangs from what?
What suspends the earth or any planet ?
velocity counteracted by the gravity of the sun. We stop our revolution, we burn up. The sun's gravity somehow lessens, we spin off into the emptiness of space.
What I wanna know is how Noah kept 3200 orchid varieties, 11,000 birds(22,000, if you have male and female as the scripteth revealeth) and 8 million insects on his raft ?
We'll go after everything else later.
You mean variations could not happen within a family through genetic information ? How do you know what existed at the time of Noah ?
Noah? You believe in Noah?
I glanced at the OP and I just KNEW that YWC was going to show up to tell us how true it is that the bible predicts things the authors could not know, and that he was going to post that damn WALL OF TEXT showing examples of what he considers evidence of scientific knowledge by biblical authors.
Thanks YWC! You are predictably rude in your posting.
Hello montrovant , its great here at the beach. Monty if people keep making claims they know little about I am gonna show how little they know.
ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:
There are various types of religions with their own sacred books called bibles. Along that line, many people feel all religions are valid and are simply different roads to the same place. Likewise, many feel that the sacred book/bible of every religion came from God. For instance, Muslims claim the Koran is the correct bible, while Christians claim the Judeo-Christian Bible is the right one.
The difference between the Judeo-Christian Bible and other religious books is that there is EVIDENCE showing the Judeo-Christian Bible was inspired by Almighty God. No other religious book has been able to prove such. For instance, almost 2,000 Bible prophesies have been fulfilled, some written centuries before the fulfillment of the prophesied events. Secular history and archeology bears this out. In addition, Bible writers were privy to information that was not discovered by scientists and explorers until centuries later. Below are two such examples.
Example #1: For a period of time in history, humans thought the earth was flat and that if one sailed too far out to sea, one was likely to sail off the earth. By the 15th Century when Christopher Columbus claimed he discovered the new world, most Europeans correctly theorized that the earth is a circle or sphere. However, it was not until after the first circumnavigation of the globe was led by Ferdinand Magellan in the year 1519 that this theory of a 3-Dimensional, circular earth was proven as fact. More than 2,000 years before Ferdinand Magellan attempted to sail around the globe, the prophet Isaiah did not merely theorize but stated that the earth is a circle. Isaiah was inspired by God to write:
"{22} There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell, {28} Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary. There is no searching out of his understanding." (Isaiah 40:22 and 28)
SIDE NOTE: Circles can be 2D (flat) or 3D (an ORB or a SPHERE)
Example #2: Prior to the 17th century, none of the best scientific minds could explain what causes the earth to be positioned in a stable orbit. Then in 1687, Isaac Newton published his theory that gravitational forces are the explanation behind the earth's stability. (Gravity is also the reason why humans can move around without fear of toppling off the earth into space.) More than 3,000 years before Newton's existence, under divine inspiration Moses wrote that the earth hangs upon nothing (indicating gravity), as follows:
"He [God] is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing;..." (Job 26:7)
DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:
1. How could Isaiah have known that the earth is circular, considering that the writing of the book of Isaiah was completed in 732 B.C.E., and it wasn't until the 16th century AD/CE that the first person to attempt to prove the earth is a circle was Ferdinand Magellan? Magellan attempted to circumnavigate the globe in 1519 AD/CE or 2,251 years AFTER Isaiah wrote that the earth is a circle.
http://didyouknow.org/sailing/
Ferdinand Magellan: the first to go around the world? : Explorers & leaders : Sea & ships fact files : Sea & ships : Explore online : RMG
2. How did Job know that the earth hangs upon nothing--indicating gravity--considering that the book of Job was completed in 1473 B.C.E. and it wasn't until 1687 AD/CE that Isaac Newton published his theory about gravitational forces--3,160 years AFTER Moses wrote that the earth hangs upon nothing?
Sir Isaac Newton
3. Where did Isaiah and Moses get this info?
ALTER2EGO -to- HUGGY:Example #1: For a period of time in history, humans thought the earth was flat and that if one sailed too far out to sea, one was likely to sail off the earth. By the 15th Century when Christopher Columbus claimed he discovered the new world, most Europeans correctly theorized that the earth is a circle or sphere. However, it was not until after the first circumnavigation of the globe was led by Ferdinand Magellan in the year 1519 that this theory of a 3-Dimensional, circular earth was proven as fact. More than 2,000 years before Ferdinand Magellan attempted to sail around the globe, the prophet Isaiah did not merely theorize but stated that the earth is a circle. Isaiah was inspired by God to write:
"{22} There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell, {28} Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary. There is no searching out of his understanding." (Isaiah 40:22 and 28)
SIDE NOTE: Circles can be 2D (flat) or 3D (an ORB or a SPHERE)
You are an idiot. A circle is not a sphere. If that is your "evidense". You are dumber than I first thought from the title.
You mean variations could not happen within a family through genetic information ? How do you know what existed at the time of Noah ?
Noah? You believe in Noah?
Yes I do. I have never been given a reason not to believe what is written in the bible. I am a pretty skeptical person.
ALTER2EGO -to- HUGGY:Example #1: For a period of time in history, humans thought the earth was flat and that if one sailed too far out to sea, one was likely to sail off the earth. By the 15th Century when Christopher Columbus claimed he discovered the new world, most Europeans correctly theorized that the earth is a circle or sphere. However, it was not until after the first circumnavigation of the globe was led by Ferdinand Magellan in the year 1519 that this theory of a 3-Dimensional, circular earth was proven as fact. More than 2,000 years before Ferdinand Magellan attempted to sail around the globe, the prophet Isaiah did not merely theorize but stated that the earth is a circle. Isaiah was inspired by God to write:
"{22} There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell, {28} Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary. There is no searching out of his understanding." (Isaiah 40:22 and 28)
SIDE NOTE: Circles can be 2D (flat) or 3D (an ORB or a SPHERE)
You are an idiot. A circle is not a sphere. If that is your "evidense". You are dumber than I first thought from the title.
Now, that's cute. You cannot even spell the word "evidence" in a post as short as the one you posted above, but accuse me of being "an idiot" and "dumber" than you first thought. Never mind that I clearly stated in my OP, which you quoted, that circles can be 2D (flat) or 3D (an ORB or a SPHERE).
But I'm the one who is the "idiot" and "dumber" than you first thought. Do you see why it took months for me to even respond to what you posted above?