Explanation of how Illegals will be covered under HR3200

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Nothing illustrates America’s distrust of Congress quite like the illegal immigrant provision of the House health care bill, HR 3200.
President Obama made it the first item in his last radio address:

“I want to spend a few minutes debunking some of the more outrageous myths circulating on the Internet, on cable TV, and repeated at some town halls across this country.

“Let’s start with the false claim that illegal immigrants will get health insurance under reform. That’s not true. Illegal immigrants would not be covered.”

Obama chose his words with great care. Section 246 of the bill — dealing solely with insurance subsidies — states: “Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”
Defenders of the bill frequently quote and display copies of this section at their town hall meetings.

Notice how narrow this is? It says they should not receive the bill’s new insurance subsidies. It doesn’t say they can’t receive taxpayer-paid health care. It doesn’t say they can’t receive other benefits from HR 3200, such as the expanded Medicaid.

Obama obviously wants to leave the impression that government won’t pay health care for illegals. It’s a false impression. Here are the two big fallacies with Obama’s carefully-chosen and scripted words:

There are other avenues for illegal aliens to receive health care at public expense.

All efforts to add enforcement language to HR3200 were defeated by mostly party-line votes. We can expect that the bureaucracy would look the other way under Obama’s control (just as it has with prior presidents). Current law says illegal aliens qualify only for emergency medical care through Medicaid. Most of these are childbirths. These costs exceed $3 billion a year. But because few states require proof of legal presence for regular Medicaid, nobody knows the true number of illegals who receive it, or at what cost.

The House bill not only makes a major expansion of Medicaid eligibility but also restricts (in Section 1702) inquiries about immigration status. Efforts to fix this and to add enforcement provisions to HR 3200 were offered in the Ways & Means Committee by Rep. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) and in the Energy & Commerce Committee by Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.), but voted down. No Democrats supported Heller. Blue Dog Representatives Mike Ross (D-Ark.), Jim Matheson (D-Utah), Charles Melancon (D-La.), John Barrow (D-Ga.), and Baron Hill (D-Ind.) voted for the Deal proposal.

So we still have the problem as described by Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) in his op-ed for The Hill:

H.R. 3200 contains gaping loopholes that will allow illegal immigrants to receive taxpayer-funded benefits. And these loopholes are no accident. The legislation contains no verification mechanism to ensure that illegal immigrants do not apply for benefits. Republicans offered an amendment to close this loophole — it would have required verification using the existing methods that are already in place to verify eligibility for other federal benefits programs. But, when they were asked to put the language of the bill where their words were, in a party-line vote, House Democrats rejected the amendment to require verification and close this loophole.
 
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Someone ought to tell Obama...though I think one rep did.

The "YOU LIE!" representative. Perhaps this is what he was talking about?
 
Someone ought to tell Obama...though I think one rep did.

The "YOU LIE!" representative. Perhaps this is what he was talking about?

And the MSM will focus on the outburst, not the reason for it.


Yep--the main stream media aka the Obama media networks have their man under cover. Don't ask any real questions about HR3200--for God sakes don't actually read the bill & especially this article which basically is a mandate for illegals to get free health care paid for on the backs of the American taxpayer. Shhhhssss.

"The Devil is always in those little itsy bitsy details"

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it's much simpler than you think.

Obama might not have been lying (this time). All he has to and what he most likely will do is to make all people currently illegal legal with the stroke of a pen and voila! no illegals will be covered under the government plan because they won't be illegal any more.
 
The House bill, H.R. 3200, excludes anyone who is not a legal resident of the United States from coverage of extended insurance provisions. Section 246 reads, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
 
The House bill, H.R. 3200, excludes anyone who is not a legal resident of the United States from coverage of extended insurance provisions. Section 246 reads, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
 
The House bill, H.R. 3200, excludes anyone who is not a legal resident of the United States from coverage of extended insurance provisions. Section 246 reads, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."
post it another hundred times, it still wont have any verification in it
 
The House bill, H.R. 3200, excludes anyone who is not a legal resident of the United States from coverage of extended insurance provisions. Section 246 reads, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

How do they determine if someone is lawfully present in the United States?
 
The House bill, H.R. 3200, excludes anyone who is not a legal resident of the United States from coverage of extended insurance provisions. Section 246 reads, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

How do they determine if someone is lawfully present in the United States?

lol You're asking too many questions--just accept. :lol:
 
The House bill, H.R. 3200, excludes anyone who is not a legal resident of the United States from coverage of extended insurance provisions. Section 246 reads, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

How do they determine if someone is lawfully present in the United States?

lol You're asking too many questions--just accept. :lol:

Must . . . . not . . . . drink . . . . kook-aid . . . . . must . . . . . resist . . . . . :tongue:
 
The House bill, H.R. 3200, excludes anyone who is not a legal resident of the United States from coverage of extended insurance provisions. Section 246 reads, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

How do they determine if someone is lawfully present in the United States?
Same way they do for Medicare recipients, through the SSA.
 
The House bill, H.R. 3200, excludes anyone who is not a legal resident of the United States from coverage of extended insurance provisions. Section 246 reads, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

How do they determine if someone is lawfully present in the United States?
Same way they do for Medicare recipients, through the SSA.

What identification is required for SSA?
 
How do they determine if someone is lawfully present in the United States?
Same way they do for Medicare recipients, through the SSA.

What identification is required for SSA?
You have to fill out a bunch of paper work establishing your identity...birth certificate information, social security number, marital status, etc. I'm not saying someone couldn't scam the system, but for the most part the way they do it is cost efficient.

Basically, you don't get to enroll unless you prove your identity.
 
Consider an illegal alien with TB, fearful s/he will be arrested if s/he seeks treatment. Stupid, sure, but that is one example of why the issue of health care is too important to decide on an ideological basis. One person with an infectious disease can impact your health, or the health of your kids, wife, parents, or community.
 
Same way they do for Medicare recipients, through the SSA.

What identification is required for SSA?
You have to fill out a bunch of paper work establishing your identity...birth certificate information, social security number, marital status, etc. I'm not saying someone couldn't scam the system, but for the most part the way they do it is cost efficient.

Basically, you don't get to enroll unless you prove your identity.

and they're gonig to provide all this information at the emergency room?
 
So essantially what you're saying is that illegals will continue to get care exactly as they are now.

By showing up in the ER and forcing everybody else's insurance to pay for the visit.

Do I have this right?
 

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